I guess the socialistic experiment is not working just like the rest of the countries that have tried it. Oh well, at least now the experiment is over. The rolls are increasing due to the inclusion of illegal aliens, woops, I mean undocumented aliens.
How about you simply make the argument that the PPACA is actually a good plan, seeing as you don’t believe that? You are creating a huge argument that doesn’t need to exist based on how this guy used the word socialism. Who the hell cares? With how much you say republicans talk crazy, THIS is crazy. This talk right here.
How appropriate is it so go after someone for how they talk in order to gain debating points? How appropriate is it to say the very action of hating socialism, and sects of the government that promote the harmful types of socialism, is basically a tin foil hat lifestyle? He isn’t going for a tinfoil hat. He doesn’t like harmful socialism, and you just tried to make his argument not exist by making a definition of socialism that will allow you to philosophically make an impossibility for him to agree with any government in the known world without being a hypocrite to himself, despite the fact (and this is most important) that you ALSO don’t like the law. So you agree the law is bad, and you just want to mock the fact that he doesn’t like harmful forms of socialism. Just to you know, show him how much of a hypocrite he is.
I swear at you, because you are an @$$hole. Calling someone a @$$hole is human. You, while sleazy, are also human. Perhaps you should act like it, and show some more humanity when debating conservatives.
Go after his core concept:
Are the countries that go after universal healthcare better off than those who don’t?
Has the PPACA helped the economy, or do we have evidence it slowed hiring? (hint, later of the two is true)
I once debated with you regarding a few areas of interest.
Mainly that if you remove vehicular deaths, and violent deaths, we have equal life expectancy, equal infant mortality (if you change the methodology to be the same for infant mortality in each country, each has a different definition). Now where this is interesting is we do not have equal Obesity. Switzerland is the best example, since their obesity rate is less than half of ours. We are equal in every way when you balance it like that…Despite the fact that obesity affects the infant mortality rate (so if people weren’t obese, we would have a better infant mortality rate) it affects heart disease and cancer (so if people weren’t obese we would have less heart attacks etc). It shows our system is the best in the world.
Also, on the basis of what your philosophical argument was going to be (unicorn argument) a purely capitalist nation does not exist. So you try to instantly compare aspects of governments that are socialist to say that socialism doesn’t harm economies. But you have no evidence. You tend to think you are more clever than you are.
It is typical of someone not grounded in beliefs (such as yourself, considering you rarely if ever actually vote in favor of getting rid of things you don’t like, for example the PPACA, and hate the republicans for trying to do that) to rely on philosophy and semantics /word choice in order to make someone seem like they are not credible. It is however, not an ethical choice of debate. You usually think this makes you better than the conservative debaters here, and you quite often insult the way they talk, how they appear, etc.
Maybe your concern is appearance rather than facts eh?
Ron, it is not hypocritical to be against something so bad for the American People, something the majority of Americans have been against from day one and something so ruinous to our economy. The lies of this administration are now legendary. If you don’t believe me, go into the Jonathon Gruber tapes once again.
January 8, 2015 at 12:31 pm
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Agent, the majority of americans are not against the ACA. They are either against Obama no matter what (you people), or they are against the compromise of the ACA which did nothing to reduce costs (me). In that respect, the ACA is probably a decent law and a fair compromise since both sides seem to dislike it.
January 8, 2015 at 12:57 pm
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Agent – why do you keep telling lies and making yourself look foolish? The majority of Americans were FOR healthcare reform, that’s why Obama was elected not once, but twice. It was one of his leading campaign promises, you dolt.
January 8, 2015 at 1:20 pm
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Libby – The majority of Americans were for helthcare reform AND against the way Obama wanted to do it. This is two different things.
healthcare reform could have been accomplished without Obamacare.
Why do you keep believing Obama’s lies and making yourself look like the dolt?
January 8, 2015 at 1:27 pm
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IM – Nobody knew what approach was going to be taken (not even Congress), as you yourself said a few minutes ago.
I agree healthcare reform could have been handled differently without the ACA and have said as much until I’m blue in the face. I WANTED UNIVERSAL COVERAGE. Any clearer for you?
Now. Who’s the dolt here?
January 8, 2015 at 1:29 pm
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Even when I agree with you (or don’t disagree with you) you still argue with me. Is that a Texas thing or just a dumb thing?
January 8, 2015 at 1:29 pm
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Never mind. That’s a distinction without a difference.
January 8, 2015 at 2:08 pm
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Libby – Universal care, single payer, Obamacare, ACA. They are all a distinction without a difference.
Who’s the dolt? You are, apparently.
January 8, 2015 at 2:19 pm
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As much as you don’t deserve an answer to your most ignorant statment to date, I will respond.
1) Universal care, single payer – Yes. These are the same thing.
2) Obamacare, ACA – Are totally different from the above. Coverage is still being provided by private industry through health insurance carriers. Only a portion of the premium is being covered for only a portion of the population.
No wonder you’re against everything. You don’t understand anything.
January 8, 2015 at 3:33 pm
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Libby, I stand corrected. They are not the same thing in practice. In principal, however, Obamacare is the beginning of the slippery slope that leads to the others. In the end, it becomes socialized healthcare, which you are for and I am against.
As an FYI, I am for many things. Liberty from govt oppression is a big one. Upholding the Constitution is another one. Loving my neighbor and helping them is really high up on the list.
January 9, 2015 at 10:13 am
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I don’t think providing healthcare for all citizens qualifies as government oppression. But way to be really melodramatic!
January 9, 2015 at 10:47 am
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The oppression is not from providing healthcare, but from the means of gathering funds to provide it.
January 9, 2015 at 11:14 am
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It’s the same way we gather funds to pay for everything else: wars, corporate subsidies, tax breaks for the rich. Why aren’t you upset about those funds/taxes?
January 9, 2015 at 3:15 pm
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Your assuming I’m not just because I haven’t explicitly addressed those issues. There are several areas I’d rather the government stop collecting funds for. The article is about Obamacare, so that’s where the comments are directed.
January 9, 2015 at 3:41 pm
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Your comment was the oppression was coming from the means of gathering funds to provide it. I only pointed out it’s the same means we use to gather all federal funds, so it’s no more oppressive than any other tax. If you are against taxes, just say that. But you didn’t. You specifically said it was oppressive to collect takes to provide healthcare to citizens. I happen to think it should be one of the top 5 reasons to pay/collect taxes. Other than securing our country is more important than that, pray tell?
January 12, 2015 at 6:30 pm
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Actually, it made a damn good point.
I am aware of what you tried to do.
They don’t misuse it. The democrats do take actions that are definitely harmful to the economy, specifically because of their amount of government intrusion, which is a form of socialism to most people. They are saying it accurately, and you are arguing semantics instead of concept, in order to say “hey they are scaring you and socialism isn’t part of the democrat way!”.
Disregarding that this is a lie,
Their piece programs do not have to be entirely socialistic, to be socialistic in concept or progression.
January 8, 2015 at 10:25 am
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Bob, it can be narrowed down to the fact that Progressive Socialism is a mental disease shared by several on this blog. It is apparently incurable so they should all have frontal lobotomy’s so they can stop foaming at the mouth when a Conservative posts a comment.
Agent, you’re the worst person in the country. Bob, glad to see you took a break from weight lifting to join us. Try not to lie too much in 2015.
January 12, 2015 at 6:30 pm
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Idiot.
January 7, 2015 at 11:28 am
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Just where do you get your information regarding coverage for undocumented aliens? A crackerjack box? The problem with the ACA is that it’s not socialist enough. We need single payer, which has been hugely successful in U.K., Canada, France, Australia, and many other countries.
Yes,Jack. She is that stupid and there probably isn’t a veteran in her circle of friends or whatever the left calls equally ignorant people that have the same mindset as they do.
My father, father-in-law, brother-in-law, and uncles have all gotten wonderful care from the V.A. Do you even know anyone that has been in the military, let alone had personal experience with the V.A.? Or do you just spout the first s*it you hear on FoxNews? Oh, never mind.
Libby, I have a close personal friend who nearly died at the hands of the incompetent VA. He needed a simple gall bladder operation. They fiddled and farted around with him for two weeks, gave him some anti biotics and when he got so bad infection set in, they told him they didn’t have a general surgeon to operate, so he came home, checked into the local hospital and got surgery the next day. The surgeon told him the infection was so bad, he would have been dead within a week. That is the kind of care that has been well documented across the country last year.
January 8, 2015 at 7:40 am
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Agent,
These things happen in ALL hospitals. Do you have any data or statistics, not common sense, that proves VA hospitals are any different than other hospitals? No more anecdotal evidence or referncing an article you read. Provide numbers with a cited source or SHUT UP!
January 8, 2015 at 8:59 am
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Agent – I knew you’d come up with your tired gall bladder story. One case of bad medicine is not a condemnation of an entire system. Since you have no PERSONAL experience with the V.A., other than your one tired story, please refrain from commenting. My father was treated for cancer, my father-in-law is 94 and treats at the V.A., and I have many other instances of the V.A. doing a good job since I WAS RAISED IN THE MILITARY. You plain just don’t know what you’re talking about. As usual.
Read your own article, Jack. Less than 10% of the entire system was being investigated. I think a 90% success rate is pretty damn good. There are plenty of private and public healthcare systems that don’t measure up to that standard.
January 12, 2015 at 1:08 pm
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Hi Libby,
My personal experience with the VA has been horrible. My father was treated for a kidney issue there (Vietnam Vet) for two years. They gave him pain medication repeatedly, but never investigated the issue and what was causing the pain. So, two years later he goes to a specialist on his own. Turns out he had cancer. Four years later it is considered “gone” (as gone as cancer can be).
I can tell you stories like this all day Libby. I’m sure that regular hospitals make major mistakes too, but if you do any sort of review on the VA, you will see this is common. Some of the issue stems from them seeing too many people. Other issues are the fact that someone is finishing at the bottom of their class and that is usually who winds up working in the VA.
January 12, 2015 at 1:41 pm
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I’m sorry your father had such a bad experience with the V.A. uct, but I’m happy he is now cancer free. My dad wasn’t so lucky. But it didn’t have anything to do with the V.A. I know they are getting a bad rep and things do need to be improved, but I just get tired of everyone bashing them constantly. For the most part, I think they are people that care and are trying to do their best in what is probably an antiquated and archaeic system.
Wow, 27 comments by the time I logged on. There may be a new record set. Yes, TxLady, the Brits really like that “pathway to death” for the elderly. Put them in the hallway until they stop breathing.
Libby – you are who Gruber was thinking and speaking of when he said the American people are too stupid to understand the ACA. He has further said that coverage for certain procedures would have to be denied for the program to work fiscally.
Ron – Socialism defined as follows – an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels.
Obama knew he could not get complete control of the healthcare system at this time. However, he created an albatross that would eventually lead to it, if we are too stupid to stop it. The single payer system advocated by Libby would make it socialism.
I wish you people would wake up and admit that you were duped by Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Gruber.
Integrity, Gruber finally said the other day that Obamacare might not be affordable after all. He is the epitome of lying, thieving, arrogant Progressive liberals.
Thank you for proving that the PPACA, in its cuurent form, is NOT Socialist. Please explain that to Doubting Thomas and the rest of the ignorant right.
I am for Universal (Socialist) Healthcare becasue I believe healthcare is one of the very few industries that should not be for profit. Do I want Canada, UK or any other country’s system? No. I want the United States to create a better, more efficient system. I actually believe in the greateness of the U.S. to be able to innovate healthcare to proivde exceptional care to all of its CITIZENS. If you do not have such faith, you may move.
We give you permission to move to Canada Ron. After all, it is not far from Buffalo.
January 7, 2015 at 3:01 pm
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Ron – you’re welcome.
As much as what you would “like” to have and have faith in, reality is, if the healthcare system is not for profit, eventually, those who become doctors for financial reasons (many of which are the most intelligent persons) will seek other professions.
We will then be left with doctors who are not the smartest and brightest. The quality of the healthcare will inevitably regress and exceptional care, as you put it, will no longer exist. This is what is happening in the countries you mentioned. This is why people come to the US for better doctors. We can learn from history. If we don’t, we are destined to repeat it.
P.S. I’m not moving. The Constitution was formed to allow us to have a free society. Free from government oppression. I am tired of the government mandating what we have to do, then taking our money, to do it. If you do not like the Constitution the way it was originally written and intended, you move.
January 7, 2015 at 3:30 pm
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Integrity matters,
Who ever said doctors will not continue to be well paid? There are people who work for non-profits who still make a lot of money.
How about we pay for the doctors’s education on a sliding scale the longer they work as doctors. That would limit their debt, make the profession more appealing, and how reduce how much money they need to make.
Where in the Constitution does it say the government cannot provide healthcare to its citizens? You find that, then I will move.
A right leaning Supreme Court confirmed that the PPACA, including the mandate and fee/tax/penalty, is Constitutional.
January 7, 2015 at 4:11 pm
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Integrity – there are plenty of doctors who, believe it or not, are physicians because they want to help people. Others that are in it only for monetary gain, probably shouldn’t be doctors.
In addition, even with universal care, no-one is advocating eliminating a private option. There are many in this country that have the money to purchase a private option and may seek higher level care if they wish. We aren’t taking that away from them. But for those who don’t, they should be afforded healthcare just for being a citizen of these United States. The fact that you republicants are against healthcare for all is mind boggling to me. I hope you are never sick and without insurance.
January 7, 2015 at 4:22 pm
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@Ron – I do not have enough time nor is there enough space to explain how the Constitution has been ripped to shreads by Obama and the Supreme Court.
To answer your question, there is a difference between “provide” and “mandate”. “Provide” is what Medicare was already doing for those below the poverty line. “Mandate” is what Obamacare is doing.
Under the Commerce laws, the government cannot “mandate” the citizens to purchase anything. Justice Roberts declared as much. Unfortunately, he overstepped his Constitutional authority (of interpreting laws) and chose to declare the insurance premium as a “tax”, which the government is allowed to do. This is after Obama and the Dems stated that the premium was not a “tax”.
In my humble opinion, Justice Roberts was coerced (bribed, threatened…you choose) to find in favor of Obama. Too bad he does not have enough integrity to do what was right.
January 7, 2015 at 4:49 pm
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@ Libby – Yes, Libby, I know there are some that are doctors because they sincerely weant to help people. If you read what I said, EVENTUALLY, that will change.
The govt dictating how much a doctor will be paid will drive many out of the profession. It is already happening.
FYI…having healthcare is not a Constitutional Right. It’s not even a human right. I am not against people getting healthcare, when they cannot afford it. That is what Medicare was suppose to do, but the gov’t screwed that up to bankruptcy.
I am against the govt REQUIRING us to purchase ANYTHING. To make an extreme point, what if the govt mandates that everyone must buy a bowling ball because using them will improve your health? Not everyone is going to use it, but you must buy it because the govt says so.
January 7, 2015 at 4:58 pm
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“FYI…having healthcare is not a Constitutional Right. It’s not even a human right.”
This is where you and I fundamentally disagree. It’s hard to pursue life, liberty, and happiness when you’re sick &/or dying due to lack of affordable health care.
As Americans, our first priority should be to insure all our citizens have affordable access to healthcare. Everything else comes second.
January 7, 2015 at 4:59 pm
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integrity matters,
You said, “I do not have enough time nor is there enough space to explain how the Constitution has been ripped to shreads by Obama and the Supreme Court.”
I am sick and tired of that talking point. It is not based in fact. If that were the case, President Obama would have been impeached by at least the House. And do not give me the BS line that the Republicans wouldn’t do it becasue they may be perceived as racists. If that is their excuse, they should be removed from office.
if the reason is because teh Senate would not impeach him, then explain all of the bills passed to repeal the PPACA that would not get passed the Senate.
Just because you do not like how someone governs, does not mean that they are violating the Constitution.
January 7, 2015 at 5:20 pm
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@ Libby – affordable healthcare?? That would be nice and there are other ways to make it more affordable than MANDATING it. FYI, it’s still not affordable to those who could not afford it before. That’s why they are getting subsidies. Couldn’t Obama just as easily declared that people who could not afford healthcare under the previous system would get a subsidy?
I think affordable housing is more important than healthcare. Should everyone be required to buy a house of a certain size and nature? Should all the taxpayers supplement the cost?
A fact of life is that not everyone can have everything that the other person has. This goes for housing, cars, and healthcare. As Gruber said, if they want to have a certain procedure, they will have to pay for it.
January 7, 2015 at 5:33 pm
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@ Ron – The majority of the Republicans in the House and Senate don’t have the b@lls to try to impeach Obama, even if he tried to kill someone.
Regarding violating the Constitution, read it and try to understand it before you declare that Obama has not violated it. Not all violations are impeachable.
Obama’s role is supposed to be enforcing the laws, not creating or interpreting. Those are the roles of Congress and the Supreme Court, respectively.
He swore to uphold the laws of the Constitution. Has he done that with illegal immigration? No, he changed the law to provide amnesty. Has he ordered the Justice Dept to explain the “Fast and Furious” gun running they were involved in? How about all the lies…Benghazi? IRS scandal? PLease join me in listing how corrupt his Administration has been. Of course, you are going to point the finger at others just like Obama does, because noone wants to take responsibility for their actions.
January 8, 2015 at 8:13 am
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integrity matters,
Nice cop out. Maybe your anger should be directed to those Republicans and not President Obama.
I have already spoken against President Obama for his failings especially the ones you mentioned in addition to his vacations and his obsession with focusing too much on race issues. However, you can look back and find scandals during every presidency.
My point has always been, why is he treated so differently? Nobody can quantify that he has done any more harm to this country than some other past presidents. Since 2010, the economy has been growing, stock market is at a record high, corporations are making record profits, unemployment has been decreasing (labor particpation rate has declined), federal spending is decreasing, the annual deficit has been decreasing, the number of federal employees is decreasing, the value iof the dollar has increased,the annual core inflation rate has not exceeded 2.3%, the overall annual inflation rate has not exceeded 4% and is currently 1.3%, and there has not been a major, coordinated attack on U.S. soil. Should get credit for any or all of these positive reults? Probably not. The fact remains, this country is not being destroyed because of President Obama.
Integrity – spoken like someone who HAS a house, car, and healthcare. Empathy goes a long way in this world. I guess not everyone can have that either.
January 7, 2015 at 3:43 pm
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Well then, the U.S. must be socialist because we have SOCIAL security, medicare, and medicaid. Bet you all will be first in line to claim those benefits when the time comes, though. Hypocrites!
Libby – I guess we must be Russian, too, since Obama has so many Czars that he has appointed. You really embarass yourself sometimes.
BTW, even if there is anything left in those programs when I retire, I won;t be first in line. There will be too many ILLEGAL ALIENS ahead of me.
Do you think it is fair for people who have never contributed to Social Security to collect from it? By people, I mean the leeches of society who choose not to work, not those that are disabled or are working but don’t make enough money.
January 7, 2015 at 4:59 pm
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Show me where an illegal alien is entitled to or can collect social security. It’s not me that’s embarrassing myself. Look in the mirror.
January 7, 2015 at 5:05 pm
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Integrity, how do you think the Supreme Court will rule on the subsidy issue in front of them now? The law states that only states with exchanges can offer subsidies to reduce cost. There were only 14 states setting up exchanges and 36 did not. Of the 14, some of them went belly up like Oregon and business sent to the wonderful Healthcare.gov, the dysfunctional website that still doesn’t work despite all efforts to fix it. Accenture was just awarded another contract for about $500 million to work on it.
January 7, 2015 at 5:52 pm
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Agent – It depends on whether they interpret it as it is written, which would mean no govt subsidies, or if they “read between the lines” and interpret it the way the govt alleges they meant it to apply.
IMO, Justice Roberts will likely side with the gov’t since he interpretted the “premium” to mean a “tax”.
I would love to see him grow a pair and rule against it.
January 8, 2015 at 12:30 pm
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Jack, Stan says I am the worst person in the country. Gee, what a revelation. I guess all my partners, employees, relatives, friends, colleagues, golfing buddies, company reps have been wrong all this time.
All this from a young Progressive Troll with three degrees and unemployable in the market.
Yes, correct, the other Texans that live in your bubble and that take all that federal revenue from blue states are also wrong. They dont spout their nonsense on here though, so for that reason alone, they dont qualify for “worst person in the country.”
Stan – California is a blue state that sucks up more federal revenue than most red states combined. Once again, you try to make up your own delusional facts that cannot overcome the real truth.
January 8, 2015 at 1:52 pm
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OMG. Not only are you a troll, you’re a ignorant one. Take a look at the FACTS. For a change.
IM, youre an idiot. California and NY by far provide the most federal revenue than any other state in the union. Its the red states that are actually takers.
IM is just a troll and not even a good one. At least Agent is entertaining in his pearl-clutching. Bob, for all his toolishness, does appear to lift weights. Bring something to the table, Integrity.
January 8, 2015 at 2:21 pm
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Pearl clutching. Love it! LOL!
January 8, 2015 at 3:07 pm
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Stan and Libby – Once again, I need to use your own resources to prove my point.
First, the lesson between givers and takers. The givers produce revenue and the takers suck the revenue back out.
From a dollar standpoint, CA and NY workers produce (give) the most revenue to the Fed. Likewise, their takers also suck the most money back out.
When you compare the usage, CA and NY use significantly more funds than any of the red states (TX is closest). I admit I was overzealous using the “combined” verbiage.
Kudos for both that are putting in more than they are taking out. The real comparison would be if we could identify the population of those giving versus taking. The percentage would be the tell tale sign.
Unfortunately, they are using 20 years worth of revenue/spending and I do not have the time to research the populations of the givers and takers. The populations in both CA and NY are driving the numbers up.
January 8, 2015 at 3:09 pm
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IM, that is the dumbest argument i’ve ever read in my life. No way you actually believe what you just wrote . . . not even sure Agent could agree with that logic.
January 8, 2015 at 3:44 pm
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Really, Stan?? CA had about 37 million people in 2009. I think they are naturally going to produce more Federal revenue than South Carolina that had less than 5 million people.
You could determine revenue and expenditures per capita, but that would not drill down to amounts doled out to those who were purely takers. You would need to know the number of recipients to determine the average per taker.
January 8, 2015 at 4:04 pm
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integrity matters,
Do you know what “net” means? It is taxes-spending. The top five states (the givers) and how much they have added to the Federal Government are:
1. NY – $956 Billion
2. NJ – $706 Billion
3. IL – $701 Billion
4. MN – $513 Billion
5. TX – $390 Billion
The bottom five states (the takers) and how much they have taken from the Federal Government are:
50. VA – ($593 Billion)
49. MD – ($573 Billion)
48. FL – ($299 Billion)
47. AL – ($291 Billion)
46. MS – ($240 Billion)
January 9, 2015 at 10:17 am
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Thank you for clearing up that very simplistic math problem for IM.
It’s funny how the right claims that the 1% pays “more in taxes” than all others combined. It’s the same argument reversed. Of course they pay more in dollars because they have more dollars. But if you look at it as a percentage of income, they pay way less. For example:
15% of $5M = $750,000
30% of $50k = $15,000
Now. Who really pays more in taxes? I DO!!!
January 9, 2015 at 2:24 pm
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@ Ron – Yes Ron, I know what “net” means. However, the net numbers do not tell the whole story and there is not enough info to prove either side of the original discussion being “which state sucks up more revenue?”
As previously stated, CA does by the PURE numbers. I am at least intelligent enough to realize the population plays a part in the equation for both the givers and the takers. How many people actually received the handout in CA or MS? The average per person will tell you who received more per person.
@ Libby – Thanks for the math lesson. Question…do you take advantage of as many tax credits as possible that you are eligible for? If no, that is your choice. If yes, so do the 1%-ers. Don’t blame them if their NET tax rate is 15% and yours is 30%. Blame the IRS. They are only exercising their right to pay the lowest tax possible, just like everyone else.
By the way, if you just want to look at the dollars without any other analysis, the 1%-ers pay significantly more in taxes. But, you and Ron want to manipulate the numbers to make your point, just like Obama!
January 9, 2015 at 2:30 pm
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Libby – I forgot to answer your question “Who pays more in taxes?”
Well, when I went to school, $750,000 was greater than $15,000, so the other person did. Are you working with some new math? Is that part of the common core curriculum?
If your question was “Who paid a higher tax rate?”, obviously, that was you. See above why that happens.
January 9, 2015 at 2:37 pm
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IM – First of all, if one pays more in than one takes out they are paying more than someone that takes out more than they take in. I think I learned that simple equation in first grade of my “common core” education.
Secondly, as a percentage of income, I pay a disproportionate amount more than the other example I gave. And I DO blame the rich people, because they are the ones that buy and sell the politicians that make the laws that the IRS abides by.
You are just one of the many dumb sheeple getting fleeced by the 1%, yet you continue to defend their right to do it. Unbelievable!
January 9, 2015 at 3:09 pm
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integrity matters,
How am I manipulating numbers? I am presenting them.
Bottom line, which states TAKE more than they GIVE and vice versa? Per capita is not needed, period.
Fact is, red states brag about balancing budgets within their states, but do not indicate that many of them rely on the federal government to make that happen.
January 7, 2015 at 11:04 am
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New Congress, same waste of time and taxpayer money.
Try doing something that has a chance of passing that will actually help the country.
I’m not understanding how this change would cause an increase in the deficit. If this allows more people to work more hours, regardless of whether a company provides health insurance, wouldn’t more hours equate to more taxable income and provide more tax input?
Not being controversial here, but could someone layout why this would cause an increase?
Because it will make more employees not eligible for coverage through their employer, thus more people applying for subsidies. Right now, you don’t qualify for a subsidy if your employer offers coverage.
Libby, Employers all over slashed hours so as o not have to pay for the insurance. All tis does is makes it possible for them people to get to the hours that they were at before.
January 7, 2015 at 3:45 pm
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That’s fine, FFA. I didn’t advocate for or against the change. Someone asked me how it was going to increase the deficit and I told them. I hope they CAN get more hours AND a subsidy for health insurance.
January 7, 2015 at 4:45 pm
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Crossing the fingers, shaking the dice and hoping for the best Libby…. Maybe with the increased hours, they would be able to afford their own. Tax revenue increase to help cover the subsidies.
January 7, 2015 at 2:30 pm
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“Facts” – It won’t. That comment is simply a scare tactic to convince people they should not change the law. The employers that cut hours were the ones that couldn’t afford the Obama mandate so they went into survival mode. The companies that already have full time employees and were already providing healthcare coverage are not going to all of a sudden cut hours.
Repealing this part is a bandaid and should help those in the middle class that lost hours because of the mandate and will add some additional tax revenue.
President Obama does not need scare tactics. He can just veto the bill with NO chance of an overrride.
The only thing that will help the middle class is for the corporations hording their record profits to hire or at least increase wages.
January 7, 2015 at 3:10 pm
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Ron,
If it is a straight party line vote, than “no”, the veto cannot be overridden. I think there might be some Dems that would vote “yes” to override the veto.
FYI – did you ever think that the corporations “hoarding their record profits” might be holding onto them because they are worried what the government might do in the future?
The profits they are holding is preventing them from investing and growing their companies. Their afraid that King Obama might wield his mighty pen and dictate some other ridiculous tax.
January 7, 2015 at 3:36 pm
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integrity matters,
If that is true, then shame on them. That is no excuse. President Obama does not have the power to which you are referring, period. What you are referring to are real scare tactics.
The corporations have become predators who are feasting on the high unemployment rate, improved technology, and the productivity of the American worker to resist hiring and increasing wages.
Some Democrats and/or Independents may vote to override the veto, but it is highly unlikely there would be enough. In addition, there may also be some Republicans who vote against overriding the veto. This why I believe there is zero chance of an override.
January 7, 2015 at 3:47 pm
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Only Republicans use scare tactics. Like “Pathway to Death” and other such absurd drivel. Karl Rove would be so proud.
January 7, 2015 at 5:03 pm
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@ Ron – Constituionally speaking, Obama does not have the power to do that. However, that didn’t stop him from his amnesty endeavor. He didn’t have the authority to do that, either.
@ Libby – Rove is a drone and supports big government, regardless of what he says. Scare tactics…oh, yeah, the Dems never use them (ohhh, their going to shut down the govt…reality, the essential parts of the govt, including debt payments, continue).
Speaking of “pathway to Death”, did you hear Gruber say the other day that the only way to make Obamacare fiscally sound is to deny certain procedures? They couldn’t possibly be procedures that could actually save someones life, could they?
The fact that you Dems believe that life saving procedures will not be denied is mind boggling to me.
January 8, 2015 at 9:13 am
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Universal Care = Death? Seriously? You have got to be one of the dimmest posters here.
January 8, 2015 at 9:14 am
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Even bob agrees we have the same mortality rate as countries with Universal Care. Maybe you should do some research before posting your fear mongering.
January 8, 2015 at 11:58 am
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Libby – I never said that Universal care = death. I merely pointed out that Gruber said that to make Obamacare fiscally sound, certain procedures would have to be denied. Logic (which you obviously lack) dictates that when procedures are denied, some people would die.
Wasn’t one of the arguments for Obamacare about all the big, bad health insurance companies denying coverage and people dying because of it? It works both ways, sweetheart. If we want more procedures covered by the insurance companies, than something has to be done with tort reform to lower the expense side of the equation.
Regarding the mortality rate in other countries, let’s try to apply a little more logic ( I know its hard for you and I don’t want to make your head hurt).
It is possible that the mortality rates are similar because:
1) The US has the best healthcare in the world and because of this, detrimental conditions like obesity that are more prevalent in the US are better handled, improving life expectancy. This combined with
2) The social healthcare in other countries is deficient, causing their mortality rate to be lower, even though lifestyles are indicated to be better than the US.
If the healthcare was equal to or better than the US’, in theory, the mortality rate should be higher in the countries with better lifestyles.
I am not fear mongering. I am applying common sense, which you leftists obviously do not have.
Maybe you should try to think critically before you speak.
January 8, 2015 at 12:19 pm
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I don’t care what Gruber said. What coverage is excluded (or what procedures) in the ACA that were covered prior to the ACA? None! Coverage is actually broader, including preventive care, pregnancies, and birth control.
My head doesn’t hurt from critical thinking, it hurts from having to read the constant stream of crap that comes from your mouth.
January 8, 2015 at 1:42 pm
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You want some cheese with that whine, Libby?
Answer one question…was Obamacare delivered with the cost savings and promises that it was advertised with?
The american people were sold a bill of goods. The few potential bright spots could have been accomplished with less intrusive means.
January 8, 2015 at 1:56 pm
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What whine? Republicans are the only whiners on here.
Considering the ACA has not even been fully rolled out, it’s way too soon to be judging it’s success or failure. I’ll agree that other plans would have been much better, in my opinion, but that’s what we got when Obama started pandering to the right.
You guys loved the plan when it was presented by the Heritage Foundation. When it’s presented by Obama, you hate it. Try to make up your minds. THAT is what’s making my head hurt.
January 8, 2015 at 3:57 pm
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Libby Asks: “What coverage is excluded (or what procedures) in the ACA that were covered prior to the ACA?”
Not a coverage, but a provision that says when you spend X Amount you will have no out of pocket.
Prior to the ACA, there was a true Out Of Pocket Limit.
January 9, 2015 at 8:56 am
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Blame the insurance carriers, not the ACA.
January 9, 2015 at 11:25 am
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Libby, if not for the ACA, the Out of pocket provision would not have changed.
January 9, 2015 at 11:48 am
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And premiums would still be going up double digits instead of single. Let’s face it. Costs of healthcare and health insurance were out of control way before the ACA with no end in sight. At least the increases have slowed down.
January 9, 2015 at 2:35 pm
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@Libby – Still using the MSNBC talking point about the Heritage Foundation plan??? PLease, read the d**n thing because they look nothing alike.
January 9, 2015 at 2:42 pm
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I don’t recall using that talking point in this thread, but since you brought it up maybe you should do some reading:
Difference now Ron is Republicans have enough to over ride the veto.
Every time I see that commercial that they guys says “20 Minutes is all it took”, I flash back to the one conversation I had with Health Care . Gov that lasted 6 hours for one application. I can tell you many more stories with lesser time frames.
They have also screwed up my billing. According to BCBS, the application for premium assistance was never received by Blue Cross after the Health Care.Gov folks stated that it would “automatically” be sent over.
This whole thing was based on lies and deceit.
Kudos to Obama – gas was $1.97 down the street from me on Monday.
They do not have enough to override a veto. 2/3 (67%) of the House and Senate are required. They currently have 57% of the House and 54% of the Senate.
Ron, how do you presume to know how many Democrats will cross over on any vote? Did you pull that out of your Algorithm box? Many Democrats were reading the tea leaves after the last election. They also know the Republicans ran the table on almost every race that the Democrats supported Obama and his agenda.
Because I am smarter than you when it comes to politics and the insurance mechanism. How do you presume some Republicans may also cross over?
You have no clue how this works. You are so delusional you actually think there will be significant chnage for the better with the new Congress. So naive.
January 7, 2015 at 2:56 pm
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Agent = another reading comprehension failure for ya.
FFA said: Difference now Ron is Republicans have enough to over ride the veto.
Ron: They do not have enough to override a veto. They currently have 57% of the House and 54% of the Senate.
Ron was advising FFA he was wrong that “the Republicans have enough to over ride the veto.”
He was merely pointing out the fact that – solely by party lines – the Republicans can not override a presidential veto on their own.
January 7, 2015 at 3:00 pm
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FFA,
I was specifically pointing out that your statement, “Republicans have enough to over ride the veto.” is technically incorrect.
Do you know of at least 13 Democratic/Independent Senators and 44 Democratic/Independent Representatives who would vote to override teh veto? This is also assuming all Republicans will vote to override the veto.
It is possible, but highly unlikely in today’s political environment.
January 7, 2015 at 3:08 pm
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Rosenblatt, it is you and Ron who have the reading comprehension problem. That is a common problem with liberals, parsing words. I asked Ron how he could presume to know how many Democrats would cross over and vote with Republicans to get something passed over a veto. Straight party lines, Ron is correct, in reality, it could be something quite different if some moderate Democrats want to throw Obama under the bus and get something done.
January 7, 2015 at 3:17 pm
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Agent – I see you still haven’t learned what “parse words” means as you’re still using it negatively.
Anyway, you just wrote “Straight party lines, Ron is correct.”
Yeah dude. That’s what I said. “He was merely pointing out the fact that – solely by party lines – the Republicans can not override a presidential veto on their own”
As you agree with the only point I was trying to clarify for you, I have no need to reply to the other junk you posted.
January 7, 2015 at 3:19 pm
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I like the odds Ron…
I like people getting their hours back. I like the idea of not increasing the Burdon on the small business man. I have had so much attrition because business close and the recent “boom” in foreclosures with in my agency.
I don’t like spending 6 hours on one single application. I don’t like the idea of being told something is done when its not. I don’t like telling people they cant keep their doctors or their plans. This whole thing was sold on lies and deceit.
I don’t like laying off my employees as I had to earlier this week.
January 7, 2015 at 3:42 pm
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FFA,
I would be happy to wager anything that this will not become law. Not saying I do not want it to become law, just based on teh realities iof the current political environment.
In addition, I do not believe that employers will magically increase anyone’s hours just for this reason. Just like I do not believe employers will hire more if you just lower their taxes. If there is a business need to have these people work more hours or hire more, then there is a chance.
January 7, 2015 at 3:56 pm
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Ron, Im a gambling man…. Shall we call it $1.00? No wait… A Gal of Gas. A Gal of Milk?
January 7, 2015 at 4:37 pm
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FFA,
You choose. How about all 3?
January 7, 2015 at 4:50 pm
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Ill take that bet. Gas in NY is higher then I like to wager, but hey…. why not.
Realtor just informed me to push up the ask by $15K if I can things buttoned down in the next two week. Seems feasible, so… OK!
Strange. Now the Dem is out of Springfield, I can push up my home value by $15,000… Coincidence?
January 7, 2015 at 5:00 pm
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FFA,
The whole wager, based on NY prices, would be $6.20. ($1 = $2.50 for milk and $2.70 for gas) It’s really not that bad.
January 7, 2015 at 5:21 pm
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About 20 years ago, I had a bad gambling problem so I drew my line at $5.00 on personal bets and $50.00 loss at the card table. Might I add, I broke the habit with out professional help and with out getting myself banned from the Boats.
I guess with inflation, $6.20 would do the job. Your on.
Always – please tell me how they can claim a party affiliation when they are not eligible to register to vote? And do not, in fact, have the right to vote. Quit hatin’.
Libby – stop being so naive that you don’t think the illegal aliens will be able to get registered. Why do you think the Dem’s are pushing so hard to get them drivers licenses?
Libby – Do you really believe that in the last 2 elections, make it 6 elections, that there were no people who were not Citizens of this country that voted?
I guess you also believe that there have not been people that have voted multiple times during the same election.
Wait…you believed that Obama was honest and was going to make some good changes for this country and Obamacare was going to work, too, didn’t you?
That explains it. Um…should I mention that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny don’t really exist, either? Sorry, spoiler alert.
January 8, 2015 at 9:16 am
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Show me the statistics or shut up about it.
January 8, 2015 at 12:34 pm
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Nice comeback. Make a request that nobody could possibly prove statistically.
How about you trust me that I know people that voted that are not supposed to be eligible to vote. Better yet, how about the media documented accounts of dead people voting or people voting multiple times? Let’s not forget general corruption like 100% of voting districts voting for Obama( I guess you believe that not one person in that district would have voted against him).
You might be a sheep and blindly follow, but I will NEVER shut up about the corruption.
And for those that excuse it away with “there’s corruption in every administration”, I say that is no excuse for the next administration. The more we let it go, the worse it gets.
January 8, 2015 at 12:37 pm
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Nice comeback. What do dead people voting have to do with illigal aliens voting?
Stay on topic, man.
January 8, 2015 at 1:17 pm
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Libby, it was just a little Chicago Sarcasm – humor…
I got a chuckle out of it…
January 8, 2015 at 1:25 pm
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I wasn’t replying to you, FFA. I liked that comments. I was talking to Integrity Matters.
January 8, 2015 at 1:51 pm
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Libby – let me connect the dots for you. Obviously, the dead people are not voting for themselves, so who do you think are voting for them??? Hmmm, maybe it could be the illegal aliens?
Also, if no one is really paying attention about dead people voting (a.k.a looking the other way), what chance do you think there is that they are going to try to stop an illegal alien from voting?
Are you really that naive??
January 8, 2015 at 2:00 pm
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LOL! I’m the furthest thing from naive IM. And I don’t know who’s voting for them, but I sincerely doubt it’s illegal aliens. If you’d use your brain for once, why would they even try to vote, exposing themselves to discovery and deportation? They don’t care about our elections.
I’d venture to say that political influences are using those dead people to further whichever side they advocate. It’s been done since the days of Huey Long in LA, way before we had an issue with illegal aliens.
But nice try. Come back again.
Libby – 105
January 8, 2015 at 3:15 pm
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Nooooo, you’re not naive. Obama good, never lie. Universal healthcare system good and affordable, never will go bankrupt or become unaffordable.
The same political influences will coerce those same illegals with bribes and threats to vote for the dead people.
January 9, 2015 at 1:13 pm
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Now who’s being naive? As if that’s my opinion. I’m much smarter than that. Give me some credit.
January 7, 2015 at 5:13 pm
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Ron, is gas still $2.70 in NY? Wow, you are getting screwed. It is $1.93 in Texas and even FFA pays around $2.00 in Chicago. What is it about NY that costs so much more to live?
Do you live there? I didn’t think so. Ron does and he says the exact opposite.
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January 8, 2015 at 1:54 pm
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No, I live in PA. The place where many NYers escaped to and became my neighbors because of the taxes. NJ, too.
Checkmate!
January 8, 2015 at 2:01 pm
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I live in PA, too. How did you checkmate me?
January 8, 2015 at 2:43 pm
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I was correct that you didn’t live there. Hardly checkmate. Try again later.
Libby – lost count
IM – still 0
January 8, 2015 at 9:28 am
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Agent,
I am sure part of it is the increased costs to maintain safe roadways and bridges due oto the weather.
If we assume the average vehicles gets 20 mph and travels 12,000 miles per year, we pay $462 per year more for gas.
In addition, based on 2013 data, the average annual wage in NY is $54,580 compared to $44,400 in TX. I think we can absorb some things being a little more expensive, pay more in taxes to help our less fortunate, and still maintain a very comfortable standard of living.
Our roadways are well maintained and new ones are being built all the time to accommodate growth. We have no State Income Tax and a surplus in the Treasury. We also have a lot of N/E defections coming here for the obvious advantages. If you are doing so well Ron, why aren’t you paying Federal Income taxes like I have to do to support your butt.
When I can no longer claim my kids as a deduction and pay off my mortgage, start making a boat load of money, or the Republicans decide to incease my taxes, I will start paying federal income tax. If and when that happens, I will not complain.
Since I receive no government assistance, how are you supporting my butt? However, I do pay SS and medicare taxes which means I am, or soon will be supporting your butt. Unless you are playing on declining SS and Medicare benefits.
January 8, 2015 at 10:14 am
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Agent, I am in the Burbs. Chicago Gas is at $2.60. Dupage is a little less then Chicago and Dekalb is less then where I am.
Chicago, Dupage and Kane County all mandate some additive to reduce the CO2. Soon as you get to DeKalb County, no more mandate. No more emission testing. No more EPA BS that drives the cost up.
A pack of Cigs is over $12.00 in Chicago now. State shot them selves in the foot on that one. Many of the smokers have quit or are now rolling their own. rolling their own, there is not the big tax buying tobacco in bulk. Not shell, your getting three cartons for about $30.00 as opposed to over $80.00 a carton pre rolled. My last bad habit to kick….
FFA, the last terrible idea of bio fuels and corn driven ethanol as an additive was visited upon us by Progressives in both parties. Less MPG for cars, ethanol is harmful to injectors and the cost of gas is higher as a result. We sit on the biggest supply of oil and gas in the world. Time to just grow corn for food and other products and give us regular unleaded at the pump. We will all be better off for it.
Spoken like the true dinosaur that you are, Agent. Maybe when you shrivel up and die, we’ll suck you out of the earth and put you in our tank.
January 8, 2015 at 12:09 pm
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He cant be that far off. Isnt Agent like 130 years old or something?
January 8, 2015 at 2:03 pm
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I will gladly donate whatever fossil fuel you can get from this body when it is in the ground. It’s the circle of life and I’m proud to do my part!
January 8, 2015 at 2:09 pm
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No thanks. Once you old, tired, Republicans die off, we’ll be perfecting renewable green energy and won’t need your shriveled up carcass. But thanks anyway.
January 9, 2015 at 2:42 pm
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@Libby – HAHA. Now that was funny!
January 7, 2015 at 12:36 pm
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Republicans dont actually want to repeal the ACA because, get this, it’s working to improve the lives of millions of Americans.
They just want to pretend like they are going to gut it because it buys them votes with Texas idiots like Agent.
All the people with subsidies won’t be able to afford the deductible anyways. So having insurance means nothing if you have a subsidized plan that makes you pay $6,350 before it pays you or the doctors back. Good luck finding a doctor that accepts IOUs.
As a MATTER OF FACT he did tell me that, Libby. We actually picked my plan out together and since he pays for it he has the last say on it he has to approve it. Now why don’t you dust off your boom and fly around for a while to cool your jets off!
January 9, 2015 at 3:46 pm
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Which is it? You picked your plan together or he picked it? Or he picked it after you said, “Fine. I’d rather give up a pay raise and have good insurance.” If that’s the case, then YOU made the decision to pay more money and really have alot of nerve complaining about it now.
My jets don’t need cooling except when talking to entitled Republicans that are outraged they have to pay an additional 2% of their annual income to obtain better insurance while there are millions of people that had no insurance at all until it was made available to them through the ACA. Boo f’n hoo, sister!
January 9, 2015 at 9:42 am
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Mine went up $1,200. So much for lowering our premiums Mr. Obama. And can any of you confirm this? I’ve heard that all children who are on their parent’s subsidized plan under the age of 18 are automatically put on Medicaid. Even if the parents don’t want their children on such a plan. It’s the law. Thanks!
As far as your other question, I couldn’t find anything confirming that and it doesn’t sound right to me. But I don’t know for sure.
January 9, 2015 at 11:04 am
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$100 a month might not sound a lot too you but it maybe to someone else.
January 9, 2015 at 11:21 am
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Not if you make too much to qualify for a subsidy. And you already said you did. What is $1,200 as a percentage of your annual salary? 2%???
January 9, 2015 at 11:31 am
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If that is the only increase in the monthly budget, 2%is not much. But the increase in the cost of food alone (projected 20% increase in the cost of beef alone) all adds up.
Libby, for your information – and I know you’ll jump down my throat – I didn’t take the subsidy. My boss was willing to put me on a better plan than what those offered via the subsidy. This of course will effect my raise this year.
January 9, 2015 at 11:49 am
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Yes, it all adds up. But she wasn’t talking about food now, was she?
January 9, 2015 at 12:09 pm
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Sounds like she is venting on one line item of the monthly budget.
January 9, 2015 at 12:29 pm
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Yeah, the one line all you people vent about. The ACA. You know what happens when food goes up in my household? I have to cut my discretionary budget to accomodate it. I turn the thermostat down. I don’t drive my car as much. I don’t go out to eat or to the movies. No new shoes or clothes this month.
It’s no different if your health insurance goes up. You have to make adjustments in your budget. Not whine and complain on blog day after day after day. Suck it up and move on.
Found it – Children under the age of 18 are put on Medicare IF there parents are on a subsidy.
And Libby, don’t go bonkers now – My boss actually got me on a much better plan than what the subsidies were. It’s costing him $1200 more a year though and that has a direct impact on what my raise will be this year as well. And, $100 is a lot of money for someone who is single and has to pay for this out of their own pocket. I am lucky enough not to have to. You liberals really are something else.
January 9, 2015 at 1:08 pm
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If you’re not paying for it, why are you bellyaching about it? You Republicans really are something else.
January 9, 2015 at 1:11 pm
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Sorry Always, you’ll have to point out to me where it says if you’re parents are receiving a health insurance subsidy, you go on CHIP. It says no such thing. If the parents don’t buy health insurance, the children can still be eligible for CHIP. That’s not the same thing as them being forced on CHIP if their parents have a health insurance subsidy. Look harder. If it doesn’t make sense, it’s usually not true. And that just doesn’t make sense.
January 9, 2015 at 2:16 pm
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Did you not catch the part where I mentioned that the increase has a direct impact on my yearly raise? For someone who is so critical of other people’s comprehension – I’m shocked that you missed it.
As or Obama care – everyone has to purchase healthcare – IT.IS.THE.LAW. And IF you’re on a subsidy your
children are eligible for Medicaid and they are being put on it even if the parents don’t want them to be on Medicaid they are still being put on it. I just had this confirmed from an agent in Chicago named Rick Kemp. http://www.manta.com/c/mrsh2w3/healthcare-solutions-team-richard-kemp. Look him up and give him a call Libby if you don’t believe me. Just another freebee from the Obama administration.
January 9, 2015 at 2:46 pm
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“As or Obama care – everyone has to purchase healthcare – IT.IS.THE.LAW.”
No they don’t. They will have to pay a penalty tax if they do not purchase it. That’s all.
And no, I don’t take Rick’s word for it any more than yours. The article you linked DID NOT SAY THAT. Period.
Find me the portion of the LAW that says it and I will believe it. I looked and looked and couldn’t find it. So as far as I’m concerned you’re just as full of shit on this issue as you are on most others.
January 9, 2015 at 2:55 pm
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In addition, how do you know what will or will not affect your raise or that you will even get a raise – health insurance increase or not? Did your boss tell you “I’m spending $1,200 more for your health insurance and that will be deducted from any raise I was going to give you.”??? Highly doubtful. You just ASSume it will affect your raise. A critical mistake you guys make all the time.
January 9, 2015 at 3:00 pm
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Libby – Let me get this straight…you think it is okay for Obama to lie about the cost of Obamacare and people are not suppose to complain about it’s affordability (because not everyone can afford an additional $100/month even if they cut someplace else) yet you are going to criticize those who wanted to keep the old system because it was unaffordable?
Can you say “hypocrite”?
Basically, you are saying it’s okay for someone in the middle class to be dragged down just so they can suffer with the ones already down there.
How about we create a system that actually promotes and encourages a way for a person to be lifted up to the middle class?
Wait, we already have that but the govt wants to continue to suppress the poor by encouraging them to receive handouts and not help themselves out of their poverty. There are numerous success stories like this (yes, I know there are probably an equal number of those that work hard and don’t get out. But, at least they have a chance. How much chance do the ones have that simply live off the govt??
January 9, 2015 at 3:11 pm
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Libby, you have to be the most rudest person I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across. Your pride just baffles me and your rudeness is fitting.
January 9, 2015 at 3:13 pm
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No, of course I’m not saying that. Pay attention.
1) “you think it is okay for Obama to lie about the cost of Obamacare and people are not suppose to complain about it’s affordability?” – NO. I do not know if Obama misspoke, was given false information, or lied, so I will not acknowledge what he said as a lie right now. As far as affordability, did Obama set the rates for the insurance carriers??? NO. You are not blaming the correct party here.
2) “yet you are going to criticize those who wanted to keep the old system because it was unaffordable?” The old system WAS NOT affordable for the majority. If it had been, we wouldn’t have had so many uninsured citizens. Duh.
3) As I have said before, I am not a proponent of the ACA. I wanted Universal Health Care. But, this is a start and at least it’s finally being addressed. I can live with that.
4) “How about we create a system that actually promotes and encourages a way for a person to be lifted up to the middle class?” – Now you’re talking my language. However, big business (mainly funded and led by Republicans) sees no value in investing in that. Their profits have grown exponentially while the middle class has all but disappeared. Again, you are barking up the wrong tree here. You continue to defend the very people (party) that is perpetuating the poverty problem and you don’t even see it.
5) “we already have that but the govt wants to continue to suppress the poor by encouraging them to receive handouts and not help themselves out of their poverty.” – It is not the government encouraging people to receive handouts, it’s big business cutting wages, slashing jobs that is causing people to NEED handouts. Why don’t you go railing against them? The government has no stake in wanting people to live in poverty. That’s absurd.
6) “Can you say “hypocrite”?” – Yes. Almost everytime I read a post from one of you guys.
January 9, 2015 at 3:17 pm
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Awwww. You hurt my feelings, Always. If it looks like shit and sounds like shit, I’m going to call it shit. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities. Time to put on your big girl panties and get over yourself.
January 7, 2015 at 1:59 pm
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Let me be the one to correct your statement… They are all a disgrace no matter what side of the isle they sit on.
FFA, you know I respect your opinion, but not all the politicians are a disgrace. Is Mia Love, Joni Ernst, Tim Scott a disgrace? They haven’t been in there long enough to do anything wrong. They were elected to right some wrongs. Now, if you are talking about Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chucky Schumer, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, I agree they are a disgrace. I am not a fan of Boehner or McConnell either, but at least they are not a Progressive Socialist idiot.
Agent, your state is home to arguably the most destructive force in American government: Teddy Cruz.
You probably shouldnt be throwing stones given that 1) youre too old and 2) youre in a particularly glassy house.
January 7, 2015 at 3:53 pm
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Stan, Stan Stan…. Have you not paid attention to IL? 5 out of 8 former govs in jail with the last one under fed investigation? Grey Lord? Silver Scoop? All the sex scandals… Mel Reynold. The knuckle head from Elgin? Too many to list.
I’ll take the TX gov any day of the week other then this shit hole of a state I live in… NFL……
Agent, I did mean to exclude those that have not been there long enough to help ruin our country. As cold as it is outside, I though today was gonna be a quiet day. Instead, Ive been getting cut short – before proof reading – to get to the next call.
January 7, 2015 at 4:02 pm
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Stan, I had hoped you would step up after being absent for the holidays and be a man, but your maturity is at about 8 now. I think Texas has done quite well with Cruz & Greg Abbott and wasn’t stupid enough to elect Wendy Davis (she lost by about a million votes in an off year). If you are really from Washington state, you have the worst in Patti Murray. Thank God we got rid of a bunch of Progressive liberals in this country. Old Harry had to clean out his office so he couldn’t block any more legislation from being passed.
January 7, 2015 at 5:35 pm
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Cruz is a Canadian charlatan who has no interest in solving problems, just demonizing democrats and the left. Its no surprise that you like him.
And FFA, Cruz is the senator, Perry is the governor. Not that it matters, both are idiots. One being a charlatan, the other being a pill popper that cant even remember which three agencies to shut down.
All that aside, I do agree that the IL governors of years past have been a disgrace. Corruption across the board.
January 7, 2015 at 5:38 pm
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And Agent, that’s rich calling me immature. You’re without a doubt the least informed, loudest crybaby on the IJ. And that isnt even exaggerating. Plus, you cant even describe it correctly. I am an 8? 8 what? 8 out of 10? 8 yrs old? Sideways infinity 8?
Youre really starting to lose it. Thank god you live in that shit-hole Texas state where you can hide in plain sight. Any other state and they might lock you up.
January 7, 2015 at 6:02 pm
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Its not just the govs Stan. its at all levels. state / fed / City Hall. Jesse Jr (fed), his wife (Chicago) to name two in one family.
Do you recall what happened in Dixon IL? Even are Farming Communities…
You want to argue political corruption, you will always need to concede that IL is worse then what ever state you are arguing is the worst.
January 7, 2015 at 6:10 pm
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@ Stan – Yea, that Ted Cruz, standing up for what the Constitution actually says. You think that is ruining this country?
FYI, don’t forget that Obama is from IL. The corruption doesn’t fall far from the tree.
January 7, 2015 at 6:16 pm
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Agent – I think Boehner and McConnell are progressives in sheep’s clothing!
January 7, 2015 at 6:39 pm
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Ted Cruz doesnt stand for anything other than pure, calculated ambition. He’s using republican sheep – – See Agent – – to harness their anger at Obama. That’s it. He’s not for one substantive measure other than Democrats = bad. Probably because there would be losers in any substantive policy agenda. Cowardly and a liar. A true Texan.
January 8, 2015 at 10:18 am
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Integrity, don’t forget a lot of OBamas pals from Chicago are in jail. Don’t forget his property tax “dodge”. Don’t forget him hiding behind executive privilege in the Blago Corruption trial.
How do you like living under the Chicago Political Machine?
January 8, 2015 at 12:43 pm
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@ Stan – You said “cowardly and a liar”. That, my delusional friend, is Obama. When has he EVER taken responsibility for anything. He lies so much that he doesn’t even know what is true any more.
Provide some proof on your Ted Cruz allegations. Even if he has lied, I guarantee Obama has him beat by at least 10 lies to every 1 of Cruz’s.
January 8, 2015 at 1:00 pm
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IM – wasn’t it you that said you didn’t care if other administrations had corruption; it was no excuse for other administrations?
Now you’re condoning Cruz for being a liar because you say Obama is a bigger liar.
This is, all my neo-con friends, an specific example of the hypocristy of the right.
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January 8, 2015 at 3:26 pm
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Libby – No, I asked for proof of his allegations against Cruz. I merely stated that even if he found proof, Obama would still be a bigger liar.
I never said that I condoned it. And I still won’t condone it. If he was President and lied, I would call him out on it, too!
Integrtity does matter!
January 9, 2015 at 10:03 am
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IM – if integrity really matters, it’s not the number of lies that counts. A lie is a lie.
There is, however, a difference between being misled, misspeaking, and just being wrong. I have said things that turned out to be wrong. It didn’t make me a liar. I believed it when I said it, I was just wrong.
None of you righties will even consider that any of the above scenarios may have been the case with Obama. You are quick to point the finger and label him a liar without any real proof.
And don’t get me wrong PLEASE!!! I’m NOT saying he didn’t lie. I’m just saying there are other explanations and without more information/evidence I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
January 7, 2015 at 2:08 pm
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The majority of the politicians in Washington now are a disgrace to their position and this country. They have their own interests in mind and not the Constitution.
What a joke Integrity! Stan is such an immature baby. He also thinks Perry is still the Governor of Texas. He still has not awakened to the fact that the country turned red overnight in November. What success story can he point to with Progressive Democrat leadership? Why did they lose so badly? What was wrong with their agenda?
I will agree that Boehner & McConnell have a bit too much RINO in them to suit me, but they are at least not flaming Progressives like Pelosi & Reid have been.
How does having a 54%(Senate) and 57%(House) majorities equate to the country turning red? How many of those Republicans are really RINOs?
Yes, the Republicans had great success in the last election. They also had success in 2010 and where did that get us?
Until they start passing some bills that reduce spending, especially in states that have a deficit with the federal governemnt.
January 8, 2015 at 10:46 am
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Addendum:
Until they start passing some bills that reduce spending, especially in states that have a deficit with the federal governemnt, I will withhold my judgement. You know, fiscal responsibility. If they accomplish this, I will start leaning back toward the right.
January 8, 2015 at 11:00 am
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Ron, how does going from a minority in the Senate to gaining 9 seats and a majority strike you? How does increasing the margin in the House by 15 seats after Pelosi was bragging she would get the House back a month before the election? Do you think the stupid voters woke up from their slumber of 2012 and realized Progressive Democrat governance was flawed? I guess you didn’t watch the map on Election night. Except for a few blue splotches in the traditional blue N/E and the few on the left coast, everything else was red everywhere you looked. From the S/E coast all the way through Texas, there is not one Democratic Senator. Before you say it is the racist South, Tim Scott (R-SC) was also elected. Mary Landrieu called her own people racists and against women and she was swamped.
January 8, 2015 at 11:13 am
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Agent,
Did you even read my post? Did you miss the point where I stated, “Yes, the Republicans had great success in the last election.” That means I have already aknowledged their success.
I am just stating that to say the country turned red is, at best, hyperbole. They only gained 24 total seats out of 535. In addition,
I am really just questioning how effective they will be at governing. Not saying they will not be effective, just do not know yet.
I thought you would be happy that there is a chance I could turn more to the right and “get on board” the Republican gravy train. Who knows, maybe I will start maiking enough money to start paying federal income taxes again.
When have I ever stated that I thought the South is racist? Do I believe there are some racists in the South? Yes. Do I believe there racists everywhere in the country? Yes. Do I believe that some African-Americans, Latino-Americans, and other minorities are racists? Yes.
January 8, 2015 at 12:10 pm
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Agent, the country didnt turn red overnight, you silly old man. And for the record, in the last 8 years the DOW is at all time highs, gas is at a 15 year low, and the economy is adding jobs at the fastest rate it has in a decade. Turns out progressive policies work, even when opposed by republicans.
You are a cancer on this country.
January 8, 2015 at 12:54 pm
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Stan – You are a dolt. Obama and his policies have had nothing to do with the recent recovery. The gas prices have dropped because OPEC is at war with Putin. The unemployment numbers are still understated. Yes, it is better, but there are still more people off the roles than what the numbers indicate. The 4th quarter numbers are effected by the seasonal employment.
People are starting to spend more now because they became more fiscally responsible due to the previous years excessive fuel costs. Disposable income is slightly greater due to personal responsibility, not government responsibility or intervention.
January 8, 2015 at 1:02 pm
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Another example of hypocrisy, folks.
1) Obama is the cause of all things wrong in the country.
2) Obama is not the cause of anything good that happens in the country.
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January 8, 2015 at 1:05 pm
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Believe what you want IM, but the economy recovered because of Obama and in spite of republicans. And its done more than recovered, its booming. The DOW is at an all time high, as are profits.
Admit that youre wrong. Go ahead, I wont gloat. JK, Ill def gloat because your a bona fide nerf brain. Thank goodness the repubs will never again be in charge of substantive policy. The country has moved on and its moving left in a huge way.
Just wait till Hillary is in office. I hope the tax rates on 250K and above go through the roof!
January 9, 2015 at 3:44 pm
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Stan – BAHAHAHA! The economy is recovering, not booming, in spite of Obama AND the republicans AND the democrats.
You’re right…the DOW is doing great. WooHoo! One piece of the pie going in the right direction. ONly if the little problem called the DEFICIT would go in the right direction. $18 trillion and climbing, most of which is attributable to Barack “I’m an economics genius” Obama. And that does not even include the unfunded liabilities at $92 trillion.
Chew on this
Sorry to hear that you are too stupid too realize that we are going to end up like Greece with the country moving so far left. I bet you can’t wait for the dollar to be as strong as the peso!
All of you leftists are idiots.
January 9, 2015 at 3:50 pm
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You don’t even know the difference between the deficit and the national debt and you’re calling US idiots? That’s rich.
For you information, the DEFICIT is going in the right direction. It is going down. The DEBT is a bigger hurdle with the majority of the spending resulting from failed REPUBLICAN policies – 2 unfunded wars and tax cuts for the rich. Way to go Dubya!
You’re the idiot, my friend.
January 7, 2015 at 2:35 pm
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Wake up and smell the coffee Libby. There is a new sheriff in town. You and others have said for 6 years that the Republicans are the party of NO. For the next 2 years, your President you voted for twice will be the President of NO. I laugh every time I hear him say he wants to work with Republicans and then threaten a veto on anything they propose to do that is against the agenda.
Had a busy holiday. You know, Xbox, Twitter, Facebook, iPhone, hanging out on old men’s lawns. Don’t worry though. I am back and refreshed as ever for 2015. Look out, Old Man Agent. I am only getting stronger!
Some good new and some bad news here in IL. I have had two more biz shut down.
On the up side, my step son been working two – three pt jobs for three years finally found a full time job.
My Brother been looking to avoid the transfer out of state, found a new job that pays him more money and gives him a company car. A 12,000 swing in annual cash flow not including his car payment.
Moral, you just never know when something going to break in your direction….
FFA, I’m glad your family is getting some relief. Good to hear.
January 7, 2015 at 3:48 pm
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Its been a rough 24 months for us… Nursing home hearing coming soon, but not likely an eviction.
Thanks for your well wishes. Glad 2014 is in the rear view mirror….
January 7, 2015 at 3:56 pm
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Hmmmmmm. Maybe Obama’s not so bad after all. You blamed him for the bad times, so you have to give him credit for the good. That’s the way it goes, FFA.
January 7, 2015 at 4:16 pm
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Its only one week so far Libby… Ill give him koodos on the gas prices. Now, maybe I can catch up on the spike I have in Med Bills.
January 7, 2015 at 4:48 pm
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Hey Perplexed, some on this blog have said the Republicans wouldn’t do anything when they started the new term. Just today, the House passed the TRIA renewal and sent it over to the Senate and McConnell promised quick action to get it passed and sent over for the President to sign. The lame ducks had no luck in passing anything before it expired. It looks to me like the Republicans are serious about passing legislation. I wonder if Obama will veto this as well.
January 8, 2015 at 10:37 am
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“The lame ducks had no luck in passing anything before it expired.”…thanks to Republican Tom Coburn holding up the vote.
January 8, 2015 at 12:58 pm
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FFA – Obama is not responsible for the gas prices going down. OPEC is trying to put Putin out of business. Our gas production in the US has helped.
January 8, 2015 at 2:51 pm
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FFA, Please don’t give credit to Obama on falling gas prices. He was too busy with his vacation in Hawaii to even know what was going on. He may have read it in the newspaper as he usually does. There is a big feud going on between OPEC, the Saudi’s and Putin on production. They are trying to cut each other’s throats. Couple that with increased production on state lands in the US and thus there is a glut and demand has fallen so the fall in prices. This will go on for a little while until someone blinks. It might be a dangerous situation if Putin starts a war to wag the dog and deflect from his failures. We should offer Europe LPG which we have in abundance in case he cuts them off.
January 8, 2015 at 4:02 pm
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I just gave him Kuddos… Its a fancy word for nothing last I checked my 1923 Webster Dictionary. Im sure Stan will give me the new definition.
January 8, 2015 at 4:09 pm
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How can you access a 1923 dictionary when there was no google back then, FFA? Its not making sense.
January 8, 2015 at 5:41 pm
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I turn around and pull it off my book shelf. I have a Random House from the 50’s also.
You know what a book is? If not, it is a bunch of writing on paper between two covers.
January 8, 2015 at 6:04 pm
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I’ve heard of them. There’s probably a picture of one on my iPad somewhere. The stone age must have really been something . . .
January 9, 2015 at 10:54 am
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“OPEC is trying to put Putin out of business”.
So them Russians are good for something – creating competition and engaging OPEC in a price war. Maybe they should start farming and drive down the price of food.
January 9, 2015 at 9:55 am
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Speaking of shriveling up, Bernie Sanders, the Commie Senator from Vermont is 73 and looks 83. Barbara Boxer, age 74 will not run for re-election. Her Pelosi Botox treatments stopped working. They stopped working for Pelosi as well. Hillary is also leather faced and her and no treatments can help her. No wonder Billy has been going to Epstein’s carribean island to see the young underaged sex slaves.
Don’t forget, I’ve seen a picture of you Agent. You’re no bathing beauty yourself. Picking on someone because of their looks is not only mean-spirited, it’s sophomoric. Grow up!
Anyone read where Schumaker (NY Democractic) stated that ACA was wrong to pass. They took a system that worked for 93% of American’s and compleatly changed it for the other 7%. Based on the cost of ACA we could have given each of the 7% $1,000,000 each to pay for there own health care and it would have been cheaper then current ACA……It’s about power!!! King Obama needs it.
Oh ask ANY Canadian about how great there Health Care System is. Oh better yet ask ANY Hospital that is within a hour of the border why so many Canadians come here for surgeries. Ask ANY OF THEM!!!
Yes TX, actually I think is was Chuckie boy Schumer who said that it was a bad idea. I think he voted for it without reading it like all other Congressmen and Senators. Now that disaster has set in, they try to walk it back.
Libby, every time you, Ron & Rosenblatt tell me to shut up only gives me more encouragement to speak out. How does it feel to be a true believer in Progressive Socialism and watch the politicians who promote it crash and burn?
Agent – I have NEVER told you to shut up. In fact, I’ve never told ANYONE on here to shut up.
If you find me a post I made here telling someone to shut up, I’ll fly to TX and hand deliver you a case of your favorite beer.
January 9, 2015 at 10:18 am
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I do not want to shut you up, I want you to start answering my questions without going on some irrelevant rant to change the subject, or asking me a question. I would be happy with a straight forward dialogue.
Please define Progressive Socialism and list all of the politicians who promote and what they have done to advance it. You and the rest of the right love to through out terms for which you have little to no knowledge just to scare people.
January 9, 2015 at 10:23 am
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Agent – I only tell you to shut up when you out-and-out lie about something or post about something of which you have no knowledge. And I am right to do that.
You, on the other hand, with your machine gun mouse, continue to censor and hide comments made by me, Stan, Ron, and Rosenblatt. How does it feel to be a Nazi Fascist?
January 9, 2015 at 10:51 am
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I see Booger is back stealing monikers again or is it you Libby or you Ron. It is kind of a dead give a way when someone named agent says they will fly to Texas and hand deliver a case of beer. I am already here. By the way, you northern Progressives can stay put. You are not welcome down here.
January 9, 2015 at 11:13 am
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If we are not welcome, how come you love to point out how many New Yorkers have relocated to TX?
January 9, 2015 at 11:24 am
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I’ve already told you Agent. I didn’t steal your moniker. I don’t want your moniker. I wouldn’t use your moniker for any amount of money. I have my own moniker. I like my moniker. I will continue to use my moniker.
Quit censoring me.
January 9, 2015 at 12:01 pm
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HOLD ON EVERYONE!
THIS WAS MY BAD.
I accidentally posted as Agent in that one post of “Find me telling anyone to shut up and I’ll fly to TX to give you a case of beer.”
Sorry about that.
I have no idea how it happened, but I can assure you it was completely accidental.
January 9, 2015 at 12:10 pm
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Agent,
See. If you make a mistake, just apologize. Or are Conservatives not capable of that.
January 9, 2015 at 12:32 pm
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Now, Agent. Maybe an apology to me, Ron, and TXMouth would be in order. Are you man enough?
January 9, 2015 at 12:36 pm
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Really Rosenblatt? You just accidentally typed in my moniker name, wrote your diatribe and hit the post button. Did you not have your morning coffee? I don’t mind your criticism of my posts and give back as good as I get, but I am more than a little sensitive to those who steal my moniker to make everyone think I post such garbage. Thank you for the apology.
January 9, 2015 at 12:48 pm
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Agent, you should be apologizing to Rosenblatt for contaminating his good name with your asinine moniker. Poor guy might have been mistaken for you instead of a smart person.
January 9, 2015 at 1:01 pm
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“Really Rosenblatt? You just accidentally typed in my moniker name, wrote your diatribe and hit the post button.”
Yes. That’s exactly what happened! Instead of starting my reply with “Agent” I accidentally put in “Agent” in the “Name” field.
When I realized my error, I immediately admitted to it.
“I am more than a little sensitive to those who steal my moniker to make everyone think I post such garbage. Thank you for the apology.”
Okay. But I didn’t steal your moniker – it was an accident.
Also, like you wrote “It is kind of a dead give a way when someone named agent says they will fly to Texas and hand deliver a case of beer. I am already here”
So relax a bit dude. It was an accident. I admitted as much.
Even if I didn’t admit fault – as you said, anyone reading that post would know it wasn’t you who posted due to the “fly to TX” part.
I stand by my original statement: I have NEVER told you to shut up. In fact, I’ve never told ANYONE on here to shut up. If you find me a post I made here telling someone to shut up, I’ll fly to TX and hand deliver you a case of your favorite beer.
January 9, 2015 at 1:06 pm
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So I guess you’re not man enough. Thanks for proving me right, Agent. Your apology is NOT accepted.
January 9, 2015 at 3:52 pm
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Ron, the New Yorkers who have moved to Texas saw the handwriting on the wall and decided the benefits of moving from a heavy tax and heavy regulated and high cost of doing business and high cost of living state was not so attractive anymore. They had common sense. Texas does not tend to have 8’blizzards as well.
It is interesting that a lot of northerners winter in the south because of the terrible winters in the north. I met a guy recently and he had a tee shirt with Corpus Christie on the front. He told me he just couldn’t stand it up there anymore. He is planning to move permanently in a few months if he can get his house sold. He also likes the lower cost of living, better gas prices etc.
January 12, 2015 at 8:21 am
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Agent,
Once again you have taken my post out of context. What I said was, “If we are not welcome, how come you love to point out how many New Yorkers have relocated to TX?” The poinr I was making is that northerners are apparently very welcome.
You can have the pansies that can’t handle our weather. They will fit right in with you.
You keep saying how terrible it is in NY, but have no clue. If it was half as bad as you say, we would not be experiencing job and population growth at all. Are we lagging behind several states in job creation? Yes. But it is positive, so we must be doing something right.
This is an innocent opinion from obviously the outside looking in.
Help me understand why the Republicans want to stop everyone from having affordable health coverage. I see that they think that it will reduce their access to coverage. To me that’s wrong thinking. Selfish..isn’t this the “Christian” party? It seems to me that everyone does have a right to help with illness if that help is available, to withhold it over money is wrong. To try to spread the cost of that seems right. To say that we shouldn’t do what’s right due to a shortage of doctors seems wrong. Seems like we should do more to fix that problem then fighting access to healthcare..
I’m sure someone will lop my idealistic head off with my opinion, but after reading all of this I’m baffled as to why there is still an issue. I’m baffled that Republicans still want to take health care away from the sick and needy.
Because they’re hypocrites, R&M. They profess to be “Christian” then turn their backs on the less fortunate at every turn. It’s all about them and theirs. Period.
Libby – very slanderous and couldn’t be further from the truth. Most Christians are very generous, more than non-Christians.
It just shows how ignorant you really are. I will pray that a fellow Christian will share the love of Christ with you to show you what love is really all about.
Sacrifce and servanthood. Are we perfect? Of course not. That is why we need a Savior to forgive us of our sins.
Integrity, it appears you made Libby so mad she needed two posts to vent her wrath. She is going to find a new meaning to Global Warming when she meets her maker.
I fear not, Agent. I’ll leave that to all you Republicans. Funny how all you Christians damn us to hell. I’m sure that’s what Jesus would do.
Where’s Captain???
January 8, 2015 at 2:54 pm
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Agent, take a chill pill dude. No one is going to hell for their political beliefs, which should be a relief to you since yours are the worst ones on here. Plus, even if there was a hell, it cant be any worse than Texas.
January 8, 2015 at 4:04 pm
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Isn’t respecting your elders one of the big ten?
January 8, 2015 at 4:12 pm
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Ha, respecting elders is the biggest fool’s errand there is. Elders didnt respect the future when they destroyed the economy, no sense bowing down to that incompetence.
If Obama was older than you, would you respect him?
January 8, 2015 at 5:27 pm
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Stan, Its hard to respect a liar. Cant believe a word he says.
Besides he is a Chicago Politician. I learned about that before you were born. You should move to Chicago seeing you love Liars.
January 8, 2015 at 5:38 pm
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Great, so the lesson is respect your elders, except when you don’t like them, then you dont have to respect them. Solid rule there, old man.
January 8, 2015 at 5:47 pm
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Read the post Stan. It says I don’t respect Liars. I do respect people I don’t like as well as people I don’t agree with.
I draw a line with politicians and liars. When you combine the two (Obama,Quinn,JR, our old mayor, Biden and many more politicians) its just that much worse.
Here is a hint, when someone asks you to trust them, don’t. Something is a tad askew when someone has to asked to be trusted (Biden).
January 9, 2015 at 9:55 am
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FFA – believe me, I’m not expert on the bible, but I think it says to honor thy mother and father. Nothing about “elders.” Elders should always be challenged by the young. That’s how the world evolves and grows. We should never just accept the status quo without question. That’s apathetic, lazy, and quite frankly, really dumb.
January 9, 2015 at 10:00 am
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Captain has not come out of shock from Joni Ernst beating his hero in Iowa.
January 9, 2015 at 10:33 am
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Libby, I am not an expert either. Went to Catholic Grade School and the respect things was taught, re taught and then taught again.
My life experience, I have come to believe that respect and trust is earned. there are people that I do respect in this forum and there are other that could just drop out and never be heard from again. Some just like to agitate, other provide use full information that I have adapted in my operations. That’s come from both sides of the table.
I could do with a lot less of the personal insults that get tossed around.
January 9, 2015 at 10:35 am
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Maybe Cap lost his job… Lot of that going on in IL.
January 9, 2015 at 10:49 am
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Stan Says “respecting elders is the biggest fool’s errand there is.”
If you don’t consider others life experiences – Success or failure – your the fool.
How the power of ten working for you? My brother proved its validity. He is in a much better position now then he was last week because he followed some ones advice. Just to clarify, the power of ten was not my theory. Someone older then me taught me that. Not a high IQ Gal, just someone with common sense.
January 9, 2015 at 12:21 pm
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Considering some elses life experiences is not the same as “respect your elders.” The latter is credibility based on age alone, the former is based on the quality and nature of the experiences.
Ill take the advice of a 35 year old startup millionaire over the ranting of 122 year old Agent any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
January 8, 2015 at 7:22 pm
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Dad Damnit, leave me outta this! No really, leave me out of this.Gotta go, need to finish my drawings of Brutha Mohammed.
FFA, there is a good reason why disresptful Stan has been unable to find a job the past two plus years. The job creating elders he disrespects want no part of his attitude. He is also an idiot of the first magnitude. When I was young starting out, I gleaned as much knowledge as I could from experienced professionals in this industry. They knew what it took to succeed in business and I adopted much of what they taught me and expanded it as I went along with my own efforts.
January 9, 2015 at 11:35 am
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Some people just cant hide the attitude.
January 9, 2015 at 12:23 pm
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Lol, Agent, when you were young you could afford housing, education, and healthcare. The world is radically different now, is it not? What works for you doesnt work today. How this fact escapes you I just dont know.
And the reason I have a bad attitude is because YOU and people like YOU ruined this country for an entire generation. Think about that, for the better part of 40 years you took every opportunity to screw over the generation of American’s following you.
You’re literally a generational terrorist and a Texan. I dont know what is worse.
January 9, 2015 at 12:36 pm
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They don’t understand it, Stan, because they live in the myopia of their own little world. They have not looked around or had a real conversation with someone not exactly like themselves – EVER! They don’t understand because they’re too lazy to investigate and open their eyes to the fact that the country and the world is no longer the way it was 40 or 50 years ago. It would seem to be common sense that things have changed in that amount of time, but they’re conservative.
How many Conservatives does it take to change a lightbulb? None! They can’t stand change even if it makes the world a brighter place!
LOL! My Friday funny.
January 9, 2015 at 1:05 pm
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Stan, in case you didn’t catch it, I thanked Rosenblatt for his apology. When is the last time you apologized for your childish offensive behavior? Every post you make is offensive to businessmen like FFA & myself and then you wonder why you can’t get a job. By the way, Booger and Libby deserved scrutiny after they did their identity deed and then piled on with their caustic, mocking style which is typical of their ilk.
You did thank me for the apology, but you started in with disbelief and implied that what I did was intentional.
“Really Rosenblatt? You just accidentally typed in my moniker name, wrote your diatribe and hit the post button. Did you not have your morning coffee?”
Those were not sincere questions, were they? Those came across as “oh COME ON. Really? I mean, REALLY? Did you REALLY do that by accident? I don’t believe you.”
Or did you actually want to know if I had my morning coffee or not?
Rosenblatt, it is amazing that you have posted several hundred times on every subject on this blog and never once got your own name wrong until you wanted to post your trash and make it appear I said it. What a guy. I accept your apology. Hopefully, it will be the last time.
January 9, 2015 at 6:18 pm
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TROLL DETECTORS ARE READING FULL!!!!!
You’re an idiot. If I did it intentionally to make you look bad, why would I admit it was me? That just makes ME look bad.
January 9, 2015 at 1:57 pm
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If that’s so, Agent, you deserve moniker stealing and much, much more.
Agent, I could not be less sorry for rattling your old old OLD cage. Your view of the world is wrong and harmful, so you should be called to account for it. Texans like justice dont they?
We would like to give you and a few others on this forum some of our justice insolent Stan.
January 9, 2015 at 6:15 pm
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lol Agent, youre way too old to be doing must in the way of justice. Enjoy your economic prosperity and leave the youth to me.
Just thank your stars that you have a lawn to which you can yell at kids to stay off of.
January 9, 2015 at 2:56 pm
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Libby, if you are expecting an apology from me, it will be a long time coming since you willingly and joyfully participated with booger on the identity issue and it is well documented. Ins102 was also in on it along with Planet who has since disappeared. Both you and Ron have told me to shut up and you have no right to ever say that. We have freedom of expression in this country. All you have to do is say you disagree and we can agree to disagree. You are both so angry that your beliefs are so wrong and so mad the country turned red, you do tend to foam at the mouth. Before you call me a tired old white man, please do me the honor of looking at some of your leaders. Tired old Hillary, tired old Reid, tired old Boxer(retiring),tired old Feinstein, tired old Bernie Sanders, tired old Pelosi. Some say the Democrats are the party of the young. Not so much! Progressivism is a mental disease. Get some treatment before it is too late.
Agent – I would never expect an apology from you. It takes a man to admit when he’s wrong and you’re no man. As far as the identity thing goes, I can you many, many warnings that if you didn’t stop hiding my posts I was going to post your personal information. You had fair warning and thumbed your nose at me anyway. You got what you deserved.
I am not angry about any color; red, blue, or purple and I am not the one foaming at the mouth on here. I am very coherent and succinct in my posts. They are brief and to the point.
And you are no woman Libby. You treat all who have a different view than you with disdain and insulting behavior. You are an equal insulting poster going after women and men who disagree. Easy to see that you are the most unpopular of all posters. Enjoy your title.
January 9, 2015 at 6:35 pm
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Agent, if you look closely, you appear to be the unpopular one. Not me though, I love your ass-hat persona. Its kind of fun since I didnt really think someone would fit every single one of the Red state stereotypes, and yet here you are:
Old, Texan, hates Obama, not really for anything, uneducated, dumb, proud, lucky.
I bet you have a dog named Roy and you drive a 4wd vehicle in the flattest state in the Union and everything!
January 12, 2015 at 8:59 am
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I’m all woman, Agent. That’s why you can’t handle me. I’m not one of your Texas “gals” that you can boss around and manipulate. How stupid did she have to be to marry your sorry ass?
As for the most unpopular poster, we all know who is manipulating the votes on here in his favor. It’s the guy with the most unimaginative moniker around aka M.R. But I guess you have to do something to feel like a real man.
January 7, 2015 at 4:29 pm
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If it were actually affordable, they probably would not. This was sold on lies and deceit. Not believing Liars and accepting their lies as truth is absolutely Christian.
The way he went about this is all wrong. Wasted a lot of your and my money on a web site that is still broken, jamming millions to as single web site at one time expecting a Canadian Company to have it ready, for the most part cutting agents out of the mix… The trained Licensed Professionals in favor of Minn Wage order takers. I have encountered numerous people that got bad advice from the 800 people.
everyone seems to forget – or brush aside – the pile of lies.
lol, Stan. Business people like me did not ruin this country, we paid our taxes, created jobs, worked our butts off to better ourselves, are respected in our communities, raised good kids who are self sufficient and have a strong work ethic. I know that is a foreign concept to you. Kids like you are like the OWC movement who want to tear down everything that is good in this country. Good luck in your job search. No one will hire you because of your beliefs and rancor.
Agent, how is that possible? If people your age all raised good kids, where are all these spoiled millennial brats coming from? Face it, either you all blew it and screwed up the economy or you screwed up the kids so they cant function in a good economy. Either way, its your fault, dummy.
And I have a job now. Its a bad job, but I get to fleece some old republican out of his cash, so there is a certain element that is rewarding. He reminds me a lot of you.
They are mainly coming from the liberal northeast Stan. People in Texas actually work for a living, a concept you are unaware of. My kids and grand kids are the best. Quit insulting me, you piece of trash.
I suppose that is the great promise of America, just because your grandpa is a blathering Texas idiot, doesnt mean that you are cursed to be the same color. Im happy for your grandkids.
Unfortunately, you dont know what youre talking about because millennial job prospects are brightest on the coasts (see also, democratic blue states) because that is where the innovation is taking place. Look at texas, the best city is Austin because its blue!
RM – Try to forget the lies that the Dems and media are telling you.
First, the problem with Obamacare is what it is doing/has done to our Constitutional freedom. If the govt can mandate this, they can mandate us to purchase almost anything.
Second, healthcare should be available for everyone, and preferably, affordable. There were other ways to make healthcare affordable without the mandate. As you can see, healthcare is no more affordable than it was before, in fact, it is worse for many.
The difference is the subsidies that the govt is handing out. They could have done the same thing without the mandate.
Obamacare was a ruse for a Constitutional power grab. Obama won and we are left with the mess because they all lied to us.
Healthcare was/is already available to the poor. Unfortunately is was/is not affordable.
Not to the working poor, it wasn’t. Try looking outside of your own little middle-class bubble once in while and see what’s really going on in the world around you.
Healthcare was and is available. It is not affordable, though. The govt could have just provided more subsidies to the working poor in lieu of messing up the entire system.
I don’t disagree, but that’s not the plan they came up with. If were up to me, healthcare would be available to all citizens for next to nothing. Unfortunately, they didn’t ask me to write the law.
January 8, 2015 at 2:39 pm
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Integrity, the poor already had Medicaid which is basically free and taxpayer supported. The enrollment sent several million more into Medicaid. The big problem with Medicaid is that doctors will not accept it since the re-imbursement is so low. I guess we need to import some more Indians and Pakistani doctors so they will accept it and work for a pittance.
January 8, 2015 at 2:48 pm
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If we’ve added several million more to the rolls, Agent, then it wasn’t available for all poor people before, was it?
If you even, for one minute, had a shred of intelligence I would probably fall over dead in my tracks.
January 8, 2015 at 2:49 pm
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And if private practice doctors won’t accept medicaid or medicare patients, that’s an excellent place to start with a single payor system! Perfect!
January 8, 2015 at 2:52 pm
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Great, Agent, so youre problem with the ACA is that it doesnt contain costs, and your problem with Medicare is that it keeps the prices so low.
Do you even hear yourself?
January 7, 2015 at 2:40 pm
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Lib-How can you say that illegals don’t vote. In many states, you can register to vote when you get a driver license-motor voter-and also in many states, all you have to do to show id to get your driver license is a utility bill and “official” id which can be a state issued id card.
The only thing that makes voter fraud not so rampant is that many illegals simply don’t choose to vote. If they did, they would tip entire elections.
blu- which is why Obama and the Dems want “amnesty” to the 5 million (probably more) illegals that are here already. Line them up, give them a drivers license, cell phone and healthcare, and you got a voter for life!
Wendy Davis lost the dead vote and the women vote. Her War on Women didn’t work out so well so Abbott handed her head to her. We are hoping she moves to Pennsylvania so Libby can be her campaign manager.
Instead of telling me they do, as fact, show me. Where’s the data. I’ve searched and as far as I found, there have only been a handful of documented cases, despite a huge effort on the behalf of the Republicans to “expose” it. It’s just more chicken little, fearmongering from the right. Ho hum.
I’ve got some news for you Stan. Doctors don’t want Obamacare either. How about those $3,000 deductibles and $10,000 out of pocket expenses before it pays anything? How many middle class Americans can cough up that kind of money for treatment when they are living paycheck to paycheck? People will just stop going to the doctor when they get sick and then go to the Emergency Room in an emergency. I thought Obamacare would end the Emergency Room treatment Democrats railed about prior to passing the law.
The PPACA may not stop ER treatment, but Universal Health Care (UHC) would.
The Donald was on Letterman last night and seemed to support UHC. He mentioned how a friend of his went to the hospital in one of those evil countries, asked for a bill after treatment, and was told “no charge”. He also mentioned that one of the problems of our current system are greedy doctors and that they are making too much money. This coming from the ultimate capitalist.
Agent – the ACA does not dictate how much deductibles and out-of-pocket expenses should be. Blame the carriers for this. They are the responsible party.
The President, others who crafted this bill are Ivy League educated people. They think they are smarter than everyone else. Reality the opposite is true. The best teacher is life experience which means ordinary Americans have far more wisdom than any of these idiots.
lou, I saw an article today that Harvard University’s professors and staff are getting a big increase due to Obamacare after they championed it. It wasn’t supposed to happen to them, just the common folk. They are typical of the Progressive Elitists Utopians who had no idea the law applied to all Americans.
Agent, you dummy their “huge increase” was an increase in their copay to $20. You do have a point that those morons are out of touch when they complain about it, given the plight of the average American citizen. You dont have to go far to find morons, case in point.
Who is the dummy Stan? Not only did the cost go up, they are facing large deductibles and out of pocket expenses they didn’t have with their Cadillac plan. No one is going to be outraged at a $20 co pay. The new reality has set in for the elite and they don’t like it much. They should write to the President and see if they can get an exemption like a couple thousand other businesses and unions did.
This just in Stan…. When you meet your OOP Limit, its not truly an OOP limit. Every time you visit a specialist, you pay your co pay no matter. Same with ER, PCP, everyone.
There is no Out Of Pocket Stop Loss. It just keep going and going and going. I hope you never get there to find out the hard way.
January 7, 2015 at 4:55 pm
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The professors took issue with HOW the university settled on that health plan, not that they’re mandated to get insurance.
The professors are unhappy because “The University ignored that community when it embarked on a secret and non-consultative planning process…”
Or just google “harvard university professors and obamacare”
January 8, 2015 at 1:08 pm
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@ Rosenblatt – “The University ignored that community when it embarked on a secret and non-consultative planning process…” sounds a lot like what the Dems did to us citizens when they passed Obamacare.
“You gotta pass it to know what’s in it.” – Pelosi
January 8, 2015 at 1:35 pm
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integrity matters,
As much as I dislike Nancy Pelosi, I dislike quotes being taken out of context more. What she was referring to is the fact that they had to pass the bill then send it to the Senate to allow them to review and then either pass the bill or change it then send it back to the House. It is called reconciliation.
January 8, 2015 at 10:02 am
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lou, is MIT considered an Ivy League school, ie the now infamous Jonathon Gruber?
LOL! Right! Hardly. We’re still the greatest country in the world and we didn’t get there by accident. Ivy League schools have turned out, and will continue to turn out, the majority of our leaders.
January 8, 2015 at 11:45 am
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Let’s see Libby. Obama allegedly went to both Harvard and Columbia. I sure would like to see his transcripts that are buried somewhere. I wonder if he took Leadership 101 or Econ 101 since he is abysmal in both subjects.
January 8, 2015 at 12:13 pm
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Bush went to Harvard and Yale too, Agent. So did Clinton and Bush Sr.
Go yell at some neighborhood kids and stop contaminating the IJ with your lunacy.
January 8, 2015 at 12:24 pm
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Agent – Dubya didn’t release his transcripts either. They were leaked to the press. And by the looks of them, it’s doubtful Obama’s could have been more mediocre.
Obama was EIC of the Harvard Law Review. Policies aside, he is a very very bright man. Unlike your Texas president who, among other things, managed to run the Rangers into the ground before he repeated his performance with the Country.
January 8, 2015 at 4:05 pm
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Ron, as much as we all dislike Pelosi, she said it in a news conference when they asked her pointed questions. Then, she would start waving her arms around and said – “We have to pass this law to see what is in it”. She also famously said she would pole vault over the fence to get it passed and assured the American People they would like it once they saw what was in it. Guess what Nancy, we didn’t like it and still don’t. You are as big a liar as your President who said 39 times on tape that if we liked our policy, we could keep it, if we liked our doctor, we could keep him/her, the average family would save up to $2,500 on the premium. Progressive Democrats can lie with a straight face better than any other politician.
Who is contaminating Stan? Your 8 year old maturity is astounding. Please explain why Obama doesn’t want his records released. The others did who were President.
Wrong. Again. No U.S. President has released their college transcripts, nor are they legally obligated to do so. But I wish he would release them just shut you up.
We fervently want the college transcripts released too so you can see how mediocre he was and is. He obviously didn’t take Compromise 101 either since he hasn’t compromised on one major issue since he has been President. It has been “My way or the highway” on every single subject. Guess what, the tide has turned and he is the lamest of ducks for the next 2 years.
Fervently, huh? I seriously doubt he had less than a C average, as did Dubya. He was Editor of the Harvard Law Review for Christ’s sake. Why don’t you share your transcripts with everyone, Agent? That would make for some interesting reading. If you even have any.
January 8, 2015 at 1:11 pm
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For the record, what difference does it make even if he is smart? Ted Cruz – another Harvard Law grad – had phenomenal grades and is widely considered to be a brilliant mind. Who cares? His policies are destructive and wrong. Plus, I doubt he even believes them himself, he’s just using them to get rubes like Agent and IM to vote for him because they are too dumb to know better.
Way to be a sheep, you dumb Texans.
January 8, 2015 at 1:38 pm
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Agent,
If a Republican, especially a Texan, displayed the exectuive approach of “My way or the highway”, you would applaud their strength is sticking to their principles.
January 8, 2015 at 1:39 pm
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Libby,
We would need to find the right cave wall in TX to find Agent’s transcripts. Probably a lot of pictures.
January 8, 2015 at 12:35 pm
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What are you talking about? What records? His birth certificate? His grades? Agent, be more delusional bro. You cant.
Sorry Ron, I don’t applaud any politician with the attitude of “My way or the highway”. I like leaders who take the advice of good advisors, listen to both sides before making decisions affecting America. Do you remember the famous Blair House meeting between Obama, Reid & Pelosi and the Republicans when they met on Healthcare reform? Republicans laid out many ideas to improve it. They were met with a cold stare and the President thanked them and said he would do it his way. Not one Republican idea was adopted into the finished product, no Tort Reform, no selling across state lines, nothing. That is not leadership, it is “My way only”. Get in the back of the bus Republicans. Gee, I wonder why this just hasn’t worked out to anyone’s satisfaction.
Libby, fair is fair. Give us a link on Obama’s transcripts. Use all your skill. You will try in vain. Why is he not proud to show how smart he was in school? He always thinks he is the smartest person in the room and often doesn’t take the advice of his advisors.
How is that a lie? Re-read it, Agent. He said tit for tat. Romney’s tax records for Obama’s transcript. It’s a fair deal. Romney wouldn’t go for it, though. Hmmmm. I wonder why?
January 8, 2015 at 3:43 pm
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Libby – as you know, Agent will never admit that he has poor reading comprehension skills, nor will he ever admit if he was wrong or if he made two statements that contradict each other.
You must have parsed Ron’s words :O (sarcasm!)
January 8, 2015 at 4:11 pm
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I believe Romney did release his tax records dufus. By the way, I don’t begrudge Romney for being wealthy or a success in business and you shouldn’t either. Being wealthy means you don’t have to steal from average citizens and abscond with public funds. I would like to see the list of who got the stimulus money that didn’t create any jobs and only feathered the nests of donors to the Democratic Party and Obama in particular.
Agent, again, you’re an idiot. You realize that Romney made all his money through leveraged buyouts in the 80s. Basically, that means they buy a company, fire half the staff, then resell it for a profit.
So Romney made a ton of cash by firing half the Dads of half the country. And this man is your hero? Grow up.
January 8, 2015 at 4:33 pm
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Agent,
I know he released a couple years worth. That is why I specified 10 years.
You just don’t get it. People weren’t looking to begrudge his wealth, we wanted to see how he filed, what he claimed as deductions, etc to pay as little taxes as possible. If everything was on the up-and-up why did he not just release 10 years worth. If I remember correctly, he actually amended his 2011 taxes to reduce his charitable contribution soley because he stated his effective tax rate was over 14%. This came after he stated no one should pay more in taxes than required by law. There is some integrity for ya.
You are correct in stating, “Being wealthy means you don’t have to steal from average citizens and abscond with public funds” But it does not mean that you can’t or won’t.
I do agree with your statement, “I would like to see the list of who got the stimulus money that didn’t create any jobs and only feathered the nests of donors to the Democratic Party and Obama in particular.” That is the kind of diclosure i am looking for from our government.
January 8, 2015 at 1:50 pm
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Agent, you are being a hypocrite and it’s you who is not playing fair.
You previously told Libby, and me, that you’re never going to open any of our links again because we “infected” your computers. Yet here you are, asking Libby to send you a link for you to review.
You can’t “fairly” ask her to provide links for you to review when you already told us you’re never going to review our links anymore.
Rosenblatt, I already knew she couldn’t produce a link because all the records were sealed since before he first took office. Perhaps we should hire those Sony/Target/Home Depot hackers and see if they can get the info.
His records are not sealed. They are protected by privacy laws as are yours and everyone elses.
Quif trying to find something nefarious in everything Obama.
January 8, 2015 at 2:35 pm
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Agent – what you think you know and what truths are available online are two totally different things.
Regardless, my point is still valid.
You asking for a link – obtainable or not – knowing full that you will refuse to review ANY link that gets posted as a reply, is not “playing fair.”
If you ask for a link, you must be prepared to click it and review what was posted. That’s my only point here.
January 8, 2015 at 4:45 pm
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Ron, I don’t think you ever requested 10 years of tax records on Obama or any other Democratic candidate like Hillary Rodham Clinton and Slick Willy, the serial womanizer. By the way, as long as we are auditing the Stimulus Funds, let’s audit the Fed as well. I want to see what their nefarious money printing schemes and exchanges with the Treasury Dept looks like. That is a house of cards as well.
Agent – I don’t think you’ve ever asked for the birth certificate of any Republican candidate either. What’s your point?
January 7, 2015 at 4:55 pm
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FFA, Gruber really put one over on the American People, didn’t he? College professors taught Stan the Progressive way and he sticks to it no matter what. We could really do without liberal college professors who ruin the minds of young people.
Stan, Texas is by far the most successful state in the union so I am a proud goon. What can you say about your state? Lawyers are at the top of the list for being the worst, professors are not far behind.
Your state’s success is predicated on the price of oil, which in case you havent been paying attention, has cratered. Texas job growth, in turn, has literally evaporated overnight. Probably because there is no real innovation down there, just Earth rape and republicans.
The oil price will hurt some, but it never stays down for long. Texas does have a lot of industry despite what you say and we are a whole lot better off than any Blue State.
January 7, 2015 at 5:41 pm
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California is absolutely booming right now, as are NY and much of the eastern seaboard. Texas is hurting badly because of the drop in oil prices and it blows my mind for you to be so dismissive of your fellow republican morons.
Really, the only city in the State that is weathering the storm is Austin which, SPOILER ALERT, is heavily democratic.
January 8, 2015 at 4:14 pm
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Rosenblatt, that is one link I would take my chances on to click. I can always scan my computer virus protection to get it deleted afterward.
Once again you posted a reply outside the conversation you’re referencing – I have no idea what link you’re talking about since you didn’t reply in-thread. What link??
Are you that stupid Rosenblatt? I can’t help it if IJ doesn’t always have reply buttons below every comment. Libby just answered below. If you care to check it sometime, there may be 10 or more comments with no reply buttons under them.
You are much like Ron. Option1,2,3. Stop it now! I will not open your links unless it is Obama’s transcripts. That will never happen because Obama made sure they would never see the light of day.
BWAHAHAHAH!!!!!”Are you that stupid Rosenblatt? I can’t help it if IJ doesn’t always have reply buttons below every comment.” Me stupid? Y U no learn how to internetz better?
January 12, 2015 at 12:39 pm
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My last post doesn’t have a “reply” button, but here I am, posting in the right thread. How did me-so-stoopid Rosenblatt do that and you still can’t figure it out, Agent – magic?
January 9, 2015 at 4:44 pm
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Dear hypocritical Agent,
You previously told Libby and I you will never open any of our links because you had to scan your computer and delete a virus, but NOW say you WOULD have opened that link if she sent it because you could just scan your computer and delete any virus.
I have a very simple question for you – which option will you choose?
Option 1: You will NOT open any of our links
Option 2: You WILL open our links
Option 3: You will SELECTIVELY decide which links you want to open at will (thereby supporting your trolling efforts of requesting links then refusing to open and read them once they’re posted).
Option 1, 2 or 3? That’s all you need to say in your reply so we know how to frame our discussions going forward.
Make up your mind and be consistent.
Which option fits you?
1, 2 or 3?
What about all of the promises that were made to get this passed? B.O. repeatedly said the Affordable Care Act would save the average family $2,500 a year. My premiums went up a lot this year. Thanks B.O.
Fortunately Bush’s energy polices have allowed for the development of our own natural resources over time and pushed the price of gas down to offset some of the increased costs passed through to average families because of the Affordable Care Act.
Hey Me, Texas gas keeps the Eastern seaboard warm in the winter via the extensive evil pipelines that have been there for many years. Now, if we can only get Keystone approved, create some jobs and increase our ability to rid ourselves from Shiek’s oil, we will be much better off. By the way, I heard an interview with Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), who is leading a movement among his Democratic colleagues to vote for Keystone and override the President’s veto. I wish him well.
Hey FFA, both the House & Senate passed the renewal of the TRIA today. Looks like they mean business on fast action. It may be harder to get Keystone done since the Commie Bernie Sanders is going to filibuster. McConnell offered to let some amendments through on both sides, but Commie Sanders is not having any of that.
Keystone needs to get done just for the pure sake of getting people back to work. If its not running through IL (I don’t know why it would), wont help here. I am sure IL would figure some way to tax it. No wait, we have a rep gov now.
Or are you just teasing???
January 9, 2015 at 8:37 am
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Agent,
“McConnell offered to let some amendments through on both sides”. I thought things would be different under Republican leadership. Here we go again.
January 9, 2015 at 8:46 am
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FFA,
It was reaaly nothing. All but 9 (7 being Republicans) of the 535 in Congress voted for it. It would have gotten last year if not for a retiring Republican Senator. Let’s not get too excited.
For the Keystone Pipeline, projections are for 2,500 – 6,000 temporary construction jobs over 2-years, then 35 permanent jobs. While that is good for those few, is it really going to have the significant impact on employment overall?
Ron, 35 people off the unemployment line permanently, I’ll take it. Its better then none.
January 9, 2015 at 10:29 am
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For what trade off, FFA. You’re comment was very short-sighted.
January 9, 2015 at 10:40 am
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Safer Distribution, More efficient Distribution. Over 2000 people being able to provide for their own for the next 2 -3 years paying taxes contributing to society. 35 (that estimate sounds low to me as there has to be maintenance people) permanently employed tax payers.
That’s a cost I can love with
January 9, 2015 at 10:41 am
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Ron Says ” It was reaaly nothing”.
But we can agree, it was something.
January 9, 2015 at 11:33 am
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FFA – if you do nothing else, please look at this link.
If you can honestly say 35 jobs is worth it after reading this, I’ll know you can’t be taken seriously.
January 9, 2015 at 11:37 am
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All due respect Libby, I don’t do links off this site. I learned not to do that from you.
January 9, 2015 at 11:46 am
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FFA,
As you can see by the votes, it was a slam dunk and would have been passed last year if not for a retiring Republican senator.
I am not giving this Congress any credit for this. When they start getting real legislation passed, especially if it cuts spending, that will help the country, and has a chance of getting President Obama’s signature, then I will start believing that there are willing and able to govern. In other words, STOP WASTING TIME TRYING TO GET THE PPACA REPEALED.
January 9, 2015 at 11:59 am
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The PPACA has to go Ron. Real World experience – until you engage fully in it, you just don’t know. I spent yet another hour on the phone with them folks after hours because the screwed up yet another application. My client had to pay out of pocket.
Affordable my a$#. Sold on lies and deceit by a Chicago Politician. A Tax Dodger himself.
This is the dumbest thing since Dumb & Dumber 2 was released. Shoving Millions of people to a single Web Site just before the holidays Dumb, dumb and dumber. Causing people to lose their coverage, dramatically increasing the out of pocket medical expense, taxes gong up to cover the cost. How much has the Web Site alone cost you personally? How much has your premium gone up? How much has you Out of Pocket gone up?
Affordable my a@#.
January 9, 2015 at 12:05 pm
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FFA,
I agree with you that the PPACA must go. I have stated many times that I am against the law.
My point is that, in the current political environment, it is not going anywhere and any attempts by Republicans to repeal it now is only a waste of time and taxpayer money.
Do you understand what I am saying?
January 9, 2015 at 12:08 pm
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Well, if you won’t read my link, google it yourself. Don’t be lazy and apathetic. You need to research the Keystone Pipeline before you just blindly endorse it. There’s a reason so many people are against it.
January 9, 2015 at 12:08 pm
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FFA: All due respect Libby, I don’t do links off this site. I learned not to do that from you.
All due respect FFA, instead of saying you won’t click links, why don’t you just google the title of the article and read it that way?
January 9, 2015 at 12:20 pm
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I’ll do the google tomorrow. Flying Solo today as cold weather has kept my staff at home today and just don’t have the time. Working on a $100,000 auto (non) renewal. If these folks would hire decent drivers, premium would probably be in the $50,000 range. Seems they cant figure out that Seven foot clearance means don’t drive your 8 foot high vech into the darn awning. Ive had this account for four years and the seem to do that bone head thing 4 times a year on average.
January 9, 2015 at 12:27 pm
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Ron, now I understand what your saying.
I know you have spoken against the PPACA and something just didn’t click. Just ask Stan, I am old.
January 9, 2015 at 12:40 pm
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FFA – How about a P.D. deductible?
January 9, 2015 at 12:42 pm
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I am far from Lazy Libby. I work 8 – 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. My wife disease is progressing so now I am doing the home repairs, cooking dinner half the time, doing between 2 – 4 loads of laundry every other day, home work with all three every day, cleaning the kitchen daily, staying on top of the mess associated with three kids running around daily, getting things buttoned down for the kids baptism as well as their religious education classes set, getting to the shrink weekly, oh and getting to see my parents at least once a week. My day starts at 06:30 and usually don’t see my bed till after 10:00pm.
Lazy, not me. Tired… Absolutely. Frustrated… Beyond belief. Lazy, no.
January 9, 2015 at 12:52 pm
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You’re lazy when it comes to learning, FFA. You blindly support the Keystone Pipeline without even understanding the ramifications it will bring. I give you a link to review 10 bullet points and you won’t look at it. 35 jobs? In exchange for hundreds, if not thousands, of illnesses and deaths? 35 jobs? In exchange for the Koch Brothers making billions selling their oil overseas? No thanks. No Keystone Pipeline for me.
January 9, 2015 at 1:40 pm
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They have to take what ever the E & S carrier is offering because no one else will take it. This is my 3rd non renewal with these folks.
What they need is drivers that understand that they cant just drive into awnings. Maybe they should pay more for better drivers, but it is state funded and we all know how state funded business have gone as of late. My nursing home and hospital is all out of force because the state isn’t paying and medicare is slow pay. No Professional / general/ comp/ D & O / property/ bond. Nothing. Seemingly, they are in shut down mode. When I talked to the director earlier this week, he simply stated, yes, I know. About $10K in revenue lost to my agency. Unless Rauner waves some magical wand, All them people out of work soon.
So, yes I do support anything that will get people working again.
January 9, 2015 at 1:50 pm
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Lets see Libby, I have learned more in the past 24 months them most.
Medicare/ Medicaid systems. Home Foreclosure (both my parents house including the one I grew up in) The PPACA System twice. Diabetes. Degenerative Disc Disease. Fibromyalgia. ADA standards, Parkinson’s Disease. Stenosis. TIA’s. Strokes. Child custody issues. Alcoholism (not me). Elder abuse law.
I spend what little time researching things that directly touch my life. Keystone Pipe line will not.
When I do have free time, I like to spend it with my wife.
January 9, 2015 at 2:00 pm
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That’s all fine and good, but maybe you should hold back an opinion on something until you know more about it. That’s all. Just sayin.
January 9, 2015 at 2:48 pm
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Libby, there are jobs at stake. I will support anything that creates employment. I will support what ever to bring our jobs back home.
I am sure there are Environmental issues that need to be addressed. So let the environmental engineers address them and get people working.
Nothing you nor I say will ever sway them jack asses in DC so our opinions just don’t count.
January 9, 2015 at 2:58 pm
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Well, FFA, I have to say that is the dumbest thing you have ever posted on here. To say you’re all for creating 35 jobs and risking thousands of people’s lives is ludicrous. Let’s just drop this topic. You’re starting to make me angry.
January 9, 2015 at 3:44 pm
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Did you miss where I agreed that the environmental issues need to addressed?
Besides, I am sure I have said dumber things. Ask Stan.
January 9, 2015 at 3:54 pm
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But the environmental issues AREN’t being addressed. If they were, no-one would have a problem with it!
January 9, 2015 at 6:28 pm
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FFA, I find I like you a little bit more the more time I spend on here. That being said, your politics are the dumb part but you do seem like a pretty good guy just trying to make it work.
Agent on the other hand . . . wow what a dipshit! lol
January 9, 2015 at 6:38 pm
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FFA – Sorry to hear about your troubles. Obviously I hope everything works out as best as possible. Thought you were implying you wouldn’t be bothered to check it out, rather than just not having time at that moment to read that piece.
January 10, 2015 at 10:42 am
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I forgot Rheumatoid Arthritis.
Sum total of my research, they all suck. PPACA don’t make things easier either. Even the Gold Plan sucks.
January 8, 2015 at 4:51 pm
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FFA, Keystone is about as bipartisan as it gets and 68% of the American people want it. Even the unions in the north want it so they can put people to work on it. Obama is still playing to his base, the idiot environmentalists, even after about 10 years of studying it and getting approval from the states it will go through. I suppose these idiots would like it better to send oil south by Buffet’s trains. One good derailment would spill several thousand barrels of crude onto the land and water. Pipelines are 10 times safer and cheaper as well.
I had to laugh last year that the pipeline running from Cushing, Ok down through Texas to the Gulf Coast was being constructed and one famous tree hugger, the actress Daryl Hannah and one of her tree hugging friends tried to block it and tried to lie down in front of the route. All they got for their trouble was a trip to jail to cool their heels. They let her out and she was on the next plane to LA. Haven’t seen her since. Has she made a movie since Kill Bill 2?
Really, what has she starred in for the past 5 years?
January 9, 2015 at 11:34 am
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Click the link and find out, dummy.
January 9, 2015 at 12:10 pm
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Real Agent – what the h3ll does Daryl Hannah have to do with this discussion?
You want to know what movies she’s been in? Go to IMDB.com if you don’t want to click links.
It’s annoying when you ask off-topic questions when all you have to do is type the same sh1t into google and get the answer yourself.
January 9, 2015 at 11:37 am
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FFA, I have never seen a report that the Alaskan pipeline that has supplied millions of barrels of oil from the north slope to the ports in the south has ever had a spill and that is over far more difficult terrain than Keystone will be built in. By the way, I have seen many estimates that up to 40,000 construction jobs would be created and about 2,000 permanent jobs for maintenance. After all, it will go through several states.
There was a broken pipe line in MI a few years back that was repaired quickly. That’s the only one in my recent memory that had an issue.
I would agree that the Employment numbers are extremely low. When they cut the pipe line through IL out in DeKalb, there were plenty of Construction workers from many different trades working – mostly Machine Operators. The amount of money the injected into the local economy was a nice boost in business for the local merchants.
Besides, the train cars – recent news reports – are in a state of dis repair and will take big bucks to get them to current standards.
“Since 1990, more than 110 million gallons of mostly crude and petroleum products have spilled from the nation’s mainland pipeline network. More than half of it occurred in three states — Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana — where more pipelines exist.”
“Contrary to the myth, Keystone would contribute little to U.S. energy independence. The oil is headed to Texas ports for a reason — to be shipped overseas.”
“From the ground to the pipe to the refineries, Keystone’s tar sands oil, with its thick, dirty, corrosive properties, pose a far greater hazard than conventional oil — a major reason for National Nurses United and nurse opposition.”
“Mounds of Petcoke, the carbon residue of tar sands refining, piled up for export for burning, have produced toxic dust storms that have left area residents gasping near Detroit, Chicago, and other locales.”
“Toxic contaminants in the massive water needed for extraction are infecting clean water supplies with towns nearby Alberta experiencing spikes in cancer deaths, renal failure, lupus, and hyperthyroidism. Huge pipeline spills near Marshall, Mi. and Mayflower, Ar. have led to respiratory ailments and other health ills. Pollutants from tar sands refineries are linked to heart and lung disease, asthma, and cancer.”
“The more people learn about the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, the less they like it,” says actor/environmentalist Redford. “Tar sands crude means a dirtier, more dangerous future for our children all so that the oil industry can reach the higher prices of overseas markets. This dirty energy project is all risk and no reward for the American people.”
Are 35 jobs worth hundreds of illnesses and deaths?
January 9, 2015 at 12:56 pm
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FFA, following is a good quote of the day for you to take your mind off the diatribe posted by the libs on this site.
“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian”. Henry Ford
January 9, 2015 at 1:01 pm
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That’s right, Agent. Downthumb FACTS. Real bright of you, ignoramous.
January 9, 2015 at 12:00 pm
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Agent,
You said, ” By the way, I have seen many estimates that up to 40,000 construction jobs would be created and about 2,000 permanent jobs for maintenance. After all, it will go through several states.”
“Since 1990, more than 110 million gallons of mostly crude and petroleum products have spilled from the nation’s mainland pipeline network. More than half of it occurred in three states — Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana — where more pipelines exist.”
FFA, it is hard to get a word in edgewise with the diatribe from Libby and others with no reply buttons. Per Google, Transcontinental the contractor and the State Dept both agreed that 42,100 jobs would be created building the pipeline. Surely Libby would believe the State Dept since that is the government talking. So the permanent jobs will be less. I have to believe it is more than 35. This pipeline will stretch 1,100+ miles. By the way, I think the Alaska Pipeline has done the country a lot of good over the years.
“it is hard to get a word in edgewise with the diatribe from Libby and others with no reply buttons.”
I suggest you learn how to internetz better. You’re the only one on here who can’t properly post replies in the correct thread. Maybe it’s not IJ’s fault as you’re the only one who can’t figure out what to do?
Yes Libby, we are all part of the vast right wing conspiracy as Hillary described us. Oops! Where did that blue dress come from with the President’s DNA all over it? Where did the Impeachment come from for lying to a Federal Grand Jury? You were lucky Harry Reid blocked the trial in the Senate.
Yes, you are, Agent. I’m glad you’ve finally admitted it. And the impeachment had nothing to do with underage girls, dufus. Try to stay on point.
January 9, 2015 at 12:50 pm
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No Libby, the impeachment was not about underage girls having sex with the President. It was about lying to a Federal Grand Jury about his affair with a young intern. The current events on underage girls will be brought out further as more investigation is done. The last time I checked, sex with underage girls was called Statutory Rape. All they need is to go into Epstein’s computer and also perhaps some tapes were made. Wouldn’t that be something?
January 9, 2015 at 12:59 pm
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Oh, you’re licking your perverted chops over that, aren’t you Agent? The “blue dress” impeachment was ridiculous. Whether Clinton had sex with an intern or 20, what business is it of ours? Ike had a 50 year affair on Mamie. So what? Did any of that affect the job they did? No.
Even FoxNews doesn’t connect Clinton to having sex with underage girls, only being Epstein’s friend and breaking the friendship once he learned of his activities.
Read it and weep and then shut the hell up about it. Yes. I said it. Shut up. You’re spreading lies and I won’t stand for it.
libby- you are too stupid to get the fact its not about Clinton getting a blow job from another young retarded democrat. It’s about him lying under oath to a federal grand jury. But then again, democrats don’t care about the truth in anything. “Your health premium are going down $2500 a year.”
January 9, 2015 at 4:52 pm
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The fact that he was asked whether he got a blowjob from a young, retarded, Democrat or not is none of anyone’s business, let alone the Federal Grand Jury. And knowing men the way I do, they all LIE about that. I didn’t do it. It wasn’t me. I wasn’t there. Deny, deny, deny and lie, lie, lie. So what? He lied about a BJ. But thanks for “blowing” that molehill all the way into a mountain. You might want to apply for a job as a White House intern yourself.
January 9, 2015 at 3:07 pm
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Libby, doesn’t it disappoint you in the least that Slick Willy hasn’t kept his pants zipped for 40 years? Why are you still standing by your man for being a serial pervert? Wasn’t all his escapades in Arkansas and later the White House enough to give you pause? Tell me, if you were his unlucky wife, would you have looked the other way or would you have kicked his sorry butt out?
I don’t know what I would have done, Agent. But he’s not my husband or my boyfriend, so the fact he hasn’t kept in his pants doesn’t bother me in the least. Why does it throw you into such a dither? Jealous you can’t get the ladies like he can?
No. But I imagine the wife of the POTUS or another very powerful and influential man would think long and hard before booting them out the door. There is also the matter of love. My first husband cheated on me once and I forgave him. It’s possible to do.
I just cant forgive that. Once the trust is broken, for me, its beyond repair.
January 9, 2015 at 4:29 pm
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Lying too. Once I have been lied to, I just cat believe anything that person says. I don’t get the lying… Its easier to remember the truth.
January 9, 2015 at 4:54 pm
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Many time people lie because they are ashamed. I can forgive almost anything – ONCE. Don’t do it again or you’ll see hell like you can’t even imagine.
January 9, 2015 at 6:15 pm
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Libby, in your troubled and confused brain, did it ever occur to you that the POTUS or any other prominent politician could be blackmailed and possibly compromised with State secrets over sex issues. It has happened before. Look up the Profumo affair in Britain some time.
January 10, 2015 at 10:37 am
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” I can forgive almost anything – ONCE. Don’t do it again”
OBama repeats the same lie numerous times in all news outlets and you still support this guy.
If speaking in favor of Job Creation is the dumbest thing I have ever said, I must be a genius…
January 9, 2015 at 5:00 pm
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I got the lady I wanted a long time ago and have never strayed. We take our marriage vows seriously. You should be outraged that Slick Willy was a serial pervert and liar. Do you not know right from wrong? I wish Hillary had been a Lorena Bobbit and he wouldn’t have been straying anymore.
Agent, I hope your old lady doesnt spend much time on the IJ. She’s going to be embarrassed with the way that you handle yourself on here. Being old isnt an excuse on the home-front.
No way is she as understanding as Libby and I are of your continued dipshittery.
Stan, Agent wife and my wife have many of the same health issues. I can understand his dis like for the PPACA.
Hope you never experience any of them.
January 10, 2015 at 11:38 am
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Fair enough. If anything, I wish you all had universal healthcare so you could get the treatments you need without respect to ability to pay.
January 10, 2015 at 12:26 pm
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If Universal Health Care is anything like Medicare / Medicaid, I am DEAD SET AGAINST IT. The PPACA is a better option. The best option would have been to not shove this pile of crap down our throats.
This is personal experience of which I have had way too much of over the past 2 – 3 years.
January 12, 2015 at 12:18 pm
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Stan, you are an embarrassment for the Millenial generation of entitlements and bad behavior. Libby doesn’t have any excuses, she is just old and nasty and part of the low information voter crowd.
January 12, 2015 at 12:20 pm
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LOL! Looking in the mirror, Agent?
January 12, 2015 at 12:28 pm
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I told FFA I hoped he could get the care he needed and I am an embarrassment? Youre such a loser, Agent.
January 12, 2015 at 9:15 am
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Of course you’ve never strayed! Who’d take a second look at you besides her? She’s got to be deaf and blind or the stupidest woman on earth!
Good comment Libby. You remain the champion of nasty behavior. I can certainly see why your husband cheated on you.
January 12, 2015 at 11:17 am
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I knew you’d throw that in my face. It’s the reason I posted it. Classy, Agent.
January 12, 2015 at 11:18 am
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And his cheating says more about his character than it does about mine. Your comment, though, is a dead giveaway of your lack thereof.
January 13, 2015 at 11:42 am
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Stan, you need to sign up for the first two years of free Community College education that Obama wants to put in at a cost of $60 Billion to the taxpayers. We don’t have enough debt piled up yet. Just think, you can get a whole ten years of education on your resume’. Perhaps you can then find a decent job if you major in something employers want.
January 14, 2015 at 10:43 am
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Believe me, if I could go back to school and have it actually pay off, I would do it. School was the last thing I tried that I excelled at, minus making fun of you on here of course.
January 14, 2015 at 4:59 pm
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Rosenblatt, where are you on those penalties for insulting posts?
January 14, 2015 at 12:14 pm
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Stan, I have met many Professional Students in my life. They stay in school as long as possible because they are afraid to face the realities of the world and get a job to make a living. Often, they pick majors that businesses don’t have a need for. Why didn’t your majors click in the real world? Maybe it is because the state you live in is one of the states not creating opportunity for job creation. Ever think of that?
I guess the socialistic experiment is not working just like the rest of the countries that have tried it. Oh well, at least now the experiment is over. The rolls are increasing due to the inclusion of illegal aliens, woops, I mean undocumented aliens.
Doubting Thomas,
Please define Socialism then lay out why you believe the PPACA is a Socialist experiment based on your definition.
This is a loaded question.
How about you simply make the argument that the PPACA is actually a good plan, seeing as you don’t believe that? You are creating a huge argument that doesn’t need to exist based on how this guy used the word socialism. Who the hell cares? With how much you say republicans talk crazy, THIS is crazy. This talk right here.
How appropriate is it so go after someone for how they talk in order to gain debating points? How appropriate is it to say the very action of hating socialism, and sects of the government that promote the harmful types of socialism, is basically a tin foil hat lifestyle? He isn’t going for a tinfoil hat. He doesn’t like harmful socialism, and you just tried to make his argument not exist by making a definition of socialism that will allow you to philosophically make an impossibility for him to agree with any government in the known world without being a hypocrite to himself, despite the fact (and this is most important) that you ALSO don’t like the law. So you agree the law is bad, and you just want to mock the fact that he doesn’t like harmful forms of socialism. Just to you know, show him how much of a hypocrite he is.
I swear at you, because you are an @$$hole. Calling someone a @$$hole is human. You, while sleazy, are also human. Perhaps you should act like it, and show some more humanity when debating conservatives.
Go after his core concept:
Are the countries that go after universal healthcare better off than those who don’t?
Has the PPACA helped the economy, or do we have evidence it slowed hiring? (hint, later of the two is true)
I once debated with you regarding a few areas of interest.
Mainly that if you remove vehicular deaths, and violent deaths, we have equal life expectancy, equal infant mortality (if you change the methodology to be the same for infant mortality in each country, each has a different definition). Now where this is interesting is we do not have equal Obesity. Switzerland is the best example, since their obesity rate is less than half of ours. We are equal in every way when you balance it like that…Despite the fact that obesity affects the infant mortality rate (so if people weren’t obese, we would have a better infant mortality rate) it affects heart disease and cancer (so if people weren’t obese we would have less heart attacks etc). It shows our system is the best in the world.
Also, on the basis of what your philosophical argument was going to be (unicorn argument) a purely capitalist nation does not exist. So you try to instantly compare aspects of governments that are socialist to say that socialism doesn’t harm economies. But you have no evidence. You tend to think you are more clever than you are.
It is typical of someone not grounded in beliefs (such as yourself, considering you rarely if ever actually vote in favor of getting rid of things you don’t like, for example the PPACA, and hate the republicans for trying to do that) to rely on philosophy and semantics /word choice in order to make someone seem like they are not credible. It is however, not an ethical choice of debate. You usually think this makes you better than the conservative debaters here, and you quite often insult the way they talk, how they appear, etc.
Maybe your concern is appearance rather than facts eh?
bob,
Boy do you a lot a words to say NOTHING.
The point I was making is that people on the right misuse the term Socialism as a scare tactic. That is all I was saying.
For the record, as I have stated many times in the past, I am against the PPACA in its current form. Therefore, why should I defend it?
I just point out the realities of what is going on and how Republicans are at least as hypocritical as anyone else.
Ron, it is not hypocritical to be against something so bad for the American People, something the majority of Americans have been against from day one and something so ruinous to our economy. The lies of this administration are now legendary. If you don’t believe me, go into the Jonathon Gruber tapes once again.
Agent, the majority of americans are not against the ACA. They are either against Obama no matter what (you people), or they are against the compromise of the ACA which did nothing to reduce costs (me). In that respect, the ACA is probably a decent law and a fair compromise since both sides seem to dislike it.
Agent – why do you keep telling lies and making yourself look foolish? The majority of Americans were FOR healthcare reform, that’s why Obama was elected not once, but twice. It was one of his leading campaign promises, you dolt.
Libby – The majority of Americans were for helthcare reform AND against the way Obama wanted to do it. This is two different things.
healthcare reform could have been accomplished without Obamacare.
Why do you keep believing Obama’s lies and making yourself look like the dolt?
IM – Nobody knew what approach was going to be taken (not even Congress), as you yourself said a few minutes ago.
I agree healthcare reform could have been handled differently without the ACA and have said as much until I’m blue in the face. I WANTED UNIVERSAL COVERAGE. Any clearer for you?
Now. Who’s the dolt here?
Even when I agree with you (or don’t disagree with you) you still argue with me. Is that a Texas thing or just a dumb thing?
Never mind. That’s a distinction without a difference.
Libby – Universal care, single payer, Obamacare, ACA. They are all a distinction without a difference.
Who’s the dolt? You are, apparently.
As much as you don’t deserve an answer to your most ignorant statment to date, I will respond.
1) Universal care, single payer – Yes. These are the same thing.
2) Obamacare, ACA – Are totally different from the above. Coverage is still being provided by private industry through health insurance carriers. Only a portion of the premium is being covered for only a portion of the population.
No wonder you’re against everything. You don’t understand anything.
Libby, I stand corrected. They are not the same thing in practice. In principal, however, Obamacare is the beginning of the slippery slope that leads to the others. In the end, it becomes socialized healthcare, which you are for and I am against.
As an FYI, I am for many things. Liberty from govt oppression is a big one. Upholding the Constitution is another one. Loving my neighbor and helping them is really high up on the list.
I don’t think providing healthcare for all citizens qualifies as government oppression. But way to be really melodramatic!
The oppression is not from providing healthcare, but from the means of gathering funds to provide it.
It’s the same way we gather funds to pay for everything else: wars, corporate subsidies, tax breaks for the rich. Why aren’t you upset about those funds/taxes?
Your assuming I’m not just because I haven’t explicitly addressed those issues. There are several areas I’d rather the government stop collecting funds for. The article is about Obamacare, so that’s where the comments are directed.
Your comment was the oppression was coming from the means of gathering funds to provide it. I only pointed out it’s the same means we use to gather all federal funds, so it’s no more oppressive than any other tax. If you are against taxes, just say that. But you didn’t. You specifically said it was oppressive to collect takes to provide healthcare to citizens. I happen to think it should be one of the top 5 reasons to pay/collect taxes. Other than securing our country is more important than that, pray tell?
Actually, it made a damn good point.
I am aware of what you tried to do.
They don’t misuse it. The democrats do take actions that are definitely harmful to the economy, specifically because of their amount of government intrusion, which is a form of socialism to most people. They are saying it accurately, and you are arguing semantics instead of concept, in order to say “hey they are scaring you and socialism isn’t part of the democrat way!”.
Disregarding that this is a lie,
Their piece programs do not have to be entirely socialistic, to be socialistic in concept or progression.
Bob, it can be narrowed down to the fact that Progressive Socialism is a mental disease shared by several on this blog. It is apparently incurable so they should all have frontal lobotomy’s so they can stop foaming at the mouth when a Conservative posts a comment.
I hope nobody falls for your trolling attempt
Agent, you’re the worst person in the country. Bob, glad to see you took a break from weight lifting to join us. Try not to lie too much in 2015.
Idiot.
Just where do you get your information regarding coverage for undocumented aliens? A crackerjack box? The problem with the ACA is that it’s not socialist enough. We need single payer, which has been hugely successful in U.K., Canada, France, Australia, and many other countries.
LIBBY- You want healthcare like our VETS get at the VA ?
Are you really that ignorant…nevermind.
Jack – I’d rather we get the Federal Employees Health Benefit plan!
Yes,Jack. She is that stupid and there probably isn’t a veteran in her circle of friends or whatever the left calls equally ignorant people that have the same mindset as they do.
My father, father-in-law, brother-in-law, and uncles have all gotten wonderful care from the V.A. Do you even know anyone that has been in the military, let alone had personal experience with the V.A.? Or do you just spout the first s*it you hear on FoxNews? Oh, never mind.
Libby, I have a close personal friend who nearly died at the hands of the incompetent VA. He needed a simple gall bladder operation. They fiddled and farted around with him for two weeks, gave him some anti biotics and when he got so bad infection set in, they told him they didn’t have a general surgeon to operate, so he came home, checked into the local hospital and got surgery the next day. The surgeon told him the infection was so bad, he would have been dead within a week. That is the kind of care that has been well documented across the country last year.
Agent,
These things happen in ALL hospitals. Do you have any data or statistics, not common sense, that proves VA hospitals are any different than other hospitals? No more anecdotal evidence or referncing an article you read. Provide numbers with a cited source or SHUT UP!
Agent – I knew you’d come up with your tired gall bladder story. One case of bad medicine is not a condemnation of an entire system. Since you have no PERSONAL experience with the V.A., other than your one tired story, please refrain from commenting. My father was treated for cancer, my father-in-law is 94 and treats at the V.A., and I have many other instances of the V.A. doing a good job since I WAS RAISED IN THE MILITARY. You plain just don’t know what you’re talking about. As usual.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/08/va-mcdonald-press-conference-scandal-wait-times/15272409/
Read your own article, Jack. Less than 10% of the entire system was being investigated. I think a 90% success rate is pretty damn good. There are plenty of private and public healthcare systems that don’t measure up to that standard.
Hi Libby,
My personal experience with the VA has been horrible. My father was treated for a kidney issue there (Vietnam Vet) for two years. They gave him pain medication repeatedly, but never investigated the issue and what was causing the pain. So, two years later he goes to a specialist on his own. Turns out he had cancer. Four years later it is considered “gone” (as gone as cancer can be).
I can tell you stories like this all day Libby. I’m sure that regular hospitals make major mistakes too, but if you do any sort of review on the VA, you will see this is common. Some of the issue stems from them seeing too many people. Other issues are the fact that someone is finishing at the bottom of their class and that is usually who winds up working in the VA.
I’m sorry your father had such a bad experience with the V.A. uct, but I’m happy he is now cancer free. My dad wasn’t so lucky. But it didn’t have anything to do with the V.A. I know they are getting a bad rep and things do need to be improved, but I just get tired of everyone bashing them constantly. For the most part, I think they are people that care and are trying to do their best in what is probably an antiquated and archaeic system.
Yes, going so well in the UK. Not! Too many elderly in the hospital causing backups all over. You know what that means, time to evaluate if they are worth the care at the hospital.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-in-critical-condition-as-ae-waiting-times-are-worst-in-a-decade-9961509.html
Wow, 27 comments by the time I logged on. There may be a new record set. Yes, TxLady, the Brits really like that “pathway to death” for the elderly. Put them in the hallway until they stop breathing.
Libby – you are who Gruber was thinking and speaking of when he said the American people are too stupid to understand the ACA. He has further said that coverage for certain procedures would have to be denied for the program to work fiscally.
Ron – Socialism defined as follows – an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels.
Obama knew he could not get complete control of the healthcare system at this time. However, he created an albatross that would eventually lead to it, if we are too stupid to stop it. The single payer system advocated by Libby would make it socialism.
I wish you people would wake up and admit that you were duped by Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Gruber.
Integrity, Gruber finally said the other day that Obamacare might not be affordable after all. He is the epitome of lying, thieving, arrogant Progressive liberals.
integrity matters,
Thank you for proving that the PPACA, in its cuurent form, is NOT Socialist. Please explain that to Doubting Thomas and the rest of the ignorant right.
I am for Universal (Socialist) Healthcare becasue I believe healthcare is one of the very few industries that should not be for profit. Do I want Canada, UK or any other country’s system? No. I want the United States to create a better, more efficient system. I actually believe in the greateness of the U.S. to be able to innovate healthcare to proivde exceptional care to all of its CITIZENS. If you do not have such faith, you may move.
We give you permission to move to Canada Ron. After all, it is not far from Buffalo.
Ron – you’re welcome.
As much as what you would “like” to have and have faith in, reality is, if the healthcare system is not for profit, eventually, those who become doctors for financial reasons (many of which are the most intelligent persons) will seek other professions.
We will then be left with doctors who are not the smartest and brightest. The quality of the healthcare will inevitably regress and exceptional care, as you put it, will no longer exist. This is what is happening in the countries you mentioned. This is why people come to the US for better doctors. We can learn from history. If we don’t, we are destined to repeat it.
P.S. I’m not moving. The Constitution was formed to allow us to have a free society. Free from government oppression. I am tired of the government mandating what we have to do, then taking our money, to do it. If you do not like the Constitution the way it was originally written and intended, you move.
Integrity matters,
Who ever said doctors will not continue to be well paid? There are people who work for non-profits who still make a lot of money.
How about we pay for the doctors’s education on a sliding scale the longer they work as doctors. That would limit their debt, make the profession more appealing, and how reduce how much money they need to make.
Where in the Constitution does it say the government cannot provide healthcare to its citizens? You find that, then I will move.
A right leaning Supreme Court confirmed that the PPACA, including the mandate and fee/tax/penalty, is Constitutional.
Integrity – there are plenty of doctors who, believe it or not, are physicians because they want to help people. Others that are in it only for monetary gain, probably shouldn’t be doctors.
In addition, even with universal care, no-one is advocating eliminating a private option. There are many in this country that have the money to purchase a private option and may seek higher level care if they wish. We aren’t taking that away from them. But for those who don’t, they should be afforded healthcare just for being a citizen of these United States. The fact that you republicants are against healthcare for all is mind boggling to me. I hope you are never sick and without insurance.
@Ron – I do not have enough time nor is there enough space to explain how the Constitution has been ripped to shreads by Obama and the Supreme Court.
To answer your question, there is a difference between “provide” and “mandate”. “Provide” is what Medicare was already doing for those below the poverty line. “Mandate” is what Obamacare is doing.
Under the Commerce laws, the government cannot “mandate” the citizens to purchase anything. Justice Roberts declared as much. Unfortunately, he overstepped his Constitutional authority (of interpreting laws) and chose to declare the insurance premium as a “tax”, which the government is allowed to do. This is after Obama and the Dems stated that the premium was not a “tax”.
In my humble opinion, Justice Roberts was coerced (bribed, threatened…you choose) to find in favor of Obama. Too bad he does not have enough integrity to do what was right.
@ Libby – Yes, Libby, I know there are some that are doctors because they sincerely weant to help people. If you read what I said, EVENTUALLY, that will change.
The govt dictating how much a doctor will be paid will drive many out of the profession. It is already happening.
FYI…having healthcare is not a Constitutional Right. It’s not even a human right. I am not against people getting healthcare, when they cannot afford it. That is what Medicare was suppose to do, but the gov’t screwed that up to bankruptcy.
I am against the govt REQUIRING us to purchase ANYTHING. To make an extreme point, what if the govt mandates that everyone must buy a bowling ball because using them will improve your health? Not everyone is going to use it, but you must buy it because the govt says so.
“FYI…having healthcare is not a Constitutional Right. It’s not even a human right.”
This is where you and I fundamentally disagree. It’s hard to pursue life, liberty, and happiness when you’re sick &/or dying due to lack of affordable health care.
As Americans, our first priority should be to insure all our citizens have affordable access to healthcare. Everything else comes second.
integrity matters,
You said, “I do not have enough time nor is there enough space to explain how the Constitution has been ripped to shreads by Obama and the Supreme Court.”
I am sick and tired of that talking point. It is not based in fact. If that were the case, President Obama would have been impeached by at least the House. And do not give me the BS line that the Republicans wouldn’t do it becasue they may be perceived as racists. If that is their excuse, they should be removed from office.
if the reason is because teh Senate would not impeach him, then explain all of the bills passed to repeal the PPACA that would not get passed the Senate.
Just because you do not like how someone governs, does not mean that they are violating the Constitution.
@ Libby – affordable healthcare?? That would be nice and there are other ways to make it more affordable than MANDATING it. FYI, it’s still not affordable to those who could not afford it before. That’s why they are getting subsidies. Couldn’t Obama just as easily declared that people who could not afford healthcare under the previous system would get a subsidy?
I think affordable housing is more important than healthcare. Should everyone be required to buy a house of a certain size and nature? Should all the taxpayers supplement the cost?
A fact of life is that not everyone can have everything that the other person has. This goes for housing, cars, and healthcare. As Gruber said, if they want to have a certain procedure, they will have to pay for it.
@ Ron – The majority of the Republicans in the House and Senate don’t have the b@lls to try to impeach Obama, even if he tried to kill someone.
Regarding violating the Constitution, read it and try to understand it before you declare that Obama has not violated it. Not all violations are impeachable.
Obama’s role is supposed to be enforcing the laws, not creating or interpreting. Those are the roles of Congress and the Supreme Court, respectively.
He swore to uphold the laws of the Constitution. Has he done that with illegal immigration? No, he changed the law to provide amnesty. Has he ordered the Justice Dept to explain the “Fast and Furious” gun running they were involved in? How about all the lies…Benghazi? IRS scandal? PLease join me in listing how corrupt his Administration has been. Of course, you are going to point the finger at others just like Obama does, because noone wants to take responsibility for their actions.
integrity matters,
Nice cop out. Maybe your anger should be directed to those Republicans and not President Obama.
I have already spoken against President Obama for his failings especially the ones you mentioned in addition to his vacations and his obsession with focusing too much on race issues. However, you can look back and find scandals during every presidency.
My point has always been, why is he treated so differently? Nobody can quantify that he has done any more harm to this country than some other past presidents. Since 2010, the economy has been growing, stock market is at a record high, corporations are making record profits, unemployment has been decreasing (labor particpation rate has declined), federal spending is decreasing, the annual deficit has been decreasing, the number of federal employees is decreasing, the value iof the dollar has increased,the annual core inflation rate has not exceeded 2.3%, the overall annual inflation rate has not exceeded 4% and is currently 1.3%, and there has not been a major, coordinated attack on U.S. soil. Should get credit for any or all of these positive reults? Probably not. The fact remains, this country is not being destroyed because of President Obama.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/indicators
Integrity – spoken like someone who HAS a house, car, and healthcare. Empathy goes a long way in this world. I guess not everyone can have that either.
Well then, the U.S. must be socialist because we have SOCIAL security, medicare, and medicaid. Bet you all will be first in line to claim those benefits when the time comes, though. Hypocrites!
Libby – I guess we must be Russian, too, since Obama has so many Czars that he has appointed. You really embarass yourself sometimes.
BTW, even if there is anything left in those programs when I retire, I won;t be first in line. There will be too many ILLEGAL ALIENS ahead of me.
Do you think it is fair for people who have never contributed to Social Security to collect from it? By people, I mean the leeches of society who choose not to work, not those that are disabled or are working but don’t make enough money.
Show me where an illegal alien is entitled to or can collect social security. It’s not me that’s embarrassing myself. Look in the mirror.
Integrity, how do you think the Supreme Court will rule on the subsidy issue in front of them now? The law states that only states with exchanges can offer subsidies to reduce cost. There were only 14 states setting up exchanges and 36 did not. Of the 14, some of them went belly up like Oregon and business sent to the wonderful Healthcare.gov, the dysfunctional website that still doesn’t work despite all efforts to fix it. Accenture was just awarded another contract for about $500 million to work on it.
Agent – It depends on whether they interpret it as it is written, which would mean no govt subsidies, or if they “read between the lines” and interpret it the way the govt alleges they meant it to apply.
IMO, Justice Roberts will likely side with the gov’t since he interpretted the “premium” to mean a “tax”.
I would love to see him grow a pair and rule against it.
Jack, Stan says I am the worst person in the country. Gee, what a revelation. I guess all my partners, employees, relatives, friends, colleagues, golfing buddies, company reps have been wrong all this time.
All this from a young Progressive Troll with three degrees and unemployable in the market.
Yes, correct, the other Texans that live in your bubble and that take all that federal revenue from blue states are also wrong. They dont spout their nonsense on here though, so for that reason alone, they dont qualify for “worst person in the country.”
Congrats, pal.
Stan – California is a blue state that sucks up more federal revenue than most red states combined. Once again, you try to make up your own delusional facts that cannot overcome the real truth.
OMG. Not only are you a troll, you’re a ignorant one. Take a look at the FACTS. For a change.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union
IM, youre an idiot. California and NY by far provide the most federal revenue than any other state in the union. Its the red states that are actually takers.
IM is just a troll and not even a good one. At least Agent is entertaining in his pearl-clutching. Bob, for all his toolishness, does appear to lift weights. Bring something to the table, Integrity.
Pearl clutching. Love it! LOL!
Stan and Libby – Once again, I need to use your own resources to prove my point.
First, the lesson between givers and takers. The givers produce revenue and the takers suck the revenue back out.
From a dollar standpoint, CA and NY workers produce (give) the most revenue to the Fed. Likewise, their takers also suck the most money back out.
When you compare the usage, CA and NY use significantly more funds than any of the red states (TX is closest). I admit I was overzealous using the “combined” verbiage.
Kudos for both that are putting in more than they are taking out. The real comparison would be if we could identify the population of those giving versus taking. The percentage would be the tell tale sign.
Unfortunately, they are using 20 years worth of revenue/spending and I do not have the time to research the populations of the givers and takers. The populations in both CA and NY are driving the numbers up.
IM, that is the dumbest argument i’ve ever read in my life. No way you actually believe what you just wrote . . . not even sure Agent could agree with that logic.
Really, Stan?? CA had about 37 million people in 2009. I think they are naturally going to produce more Federal revenue than South Carolina that had less than 5 million people.
You could determine revenue and expenditures per capita, but that would not drill down to amounts doled out to those who were purely takers. You would need to know the number of recipients to determine the average per taker.
integrity matters,
Do you know what “net” means? It is taxes-spending. The top five states (the givers) and how much they have added to the Federal Government are:
1. NY – $956 Billion
2. NJ – $706 Billion
3. IL – $701 Billion
4. MN – $513 Billion
5. TX – $390 Billion
The bottom five states (the takers) and how much they have taken from the Federal Government are:
50. VA – ($593 Billion)
49. MD – ($573 Billion)
48. FL – ($299 Billion)
47. AL – ($291 Billion)
46. MS – ($240 Billion)
Thank you for clearing up that very simplistic math problem for IM.
It’s funny how the right claims that the 1% pays “more in taxes” than all others combined. It’s the same argument reversed. Of course they pay more in dollars because they have more dollars. But if you look at it as a percentage of income, they pay way less. For example:
15% of $5M = $750,000
30% of $50k = $15,000
Now. Who really pays more in taxes? I DO!!!
@ Ron – Yes Ron, I know what “net” means. However, the net numbers do not tell the whole story and there is not enough info to prove either side of the original discussion being “which state sucks up more revenue?”
As previously stated, CA does by the PURE numbers. I am at least intelligent enough to realize the population plays a part in the equation for both the givers and the takers. How many people actually received the handout in CA or MS? The average per person will tell you who received more per person.
@ Libby – Thanks for the math lesson. Question…do you take advantage of as many tax credits as possible that you are eligible for? If no, that is your choice. If yes, so do the 1%-ers. Don’t blame them if their NET tax rate is 15% and yours is 30%. Blame the IRS. They are only exercising their right to pay the lowest tax possible, just like everyone else.
By the way, if you just want to look at the dollars without any other analysis, the 1%-ers pay significantly more in taxes. But, you and Ron want to manipulate the numbers to make your point, just like Obama!
Libby – I forgot to answer your question “Who pays more in taxes?”
Well, when I went to school, $750,000 was greater than $15,000, so the other person did. Are you working with some new math? Is that part of the common core curriculum?
If your question was “Who paid a higher tax rate?”, obviously, that was you. See above why that happens.
IM – First of all, if one pays more in than one takes out they are paying more than someone that takes out more than they take in. I think I learned that simple equation in first grade of my “common core” education.
Secondly, as a percentage of income, I pay a disproportionate amount more than the other example I gave. And I DO blame the rich people, because they are the ones that buy and sell the politicians that make the laws that the IRS abides by.
You are just one of the many dumb sheeple getting fleeced by the 1%, yet you continue to defend their right to do it. Unbelievable!
integrity matters,
How am I manipulating numbers? I am presenting them.
Bottom line, which states TAKE more than they GIVE and vice versa? Per capita is not needed, period.
Fact is, red states brag about balancing budgets within their states, but do not indicate that many of them rely on the federal government to make that happen.
New Congress, same waste of time and taxpayer money.
Try doing something that has a chance of passing that will actually help the country.
“The change would increase the U.S. deficit by $74 billion over 10 years.”
I’d like to sarcastically thank the Republicans for trying to move this legislation through and, if successful, increasing our deficit in the process.
Willingly trying to increase our deficit doesn’t seem like a very fiscally responsible move to me.
I’m not understanding how this change would cause an increase in the deficit. If this allows more people to work more hours, regardless of whether a company provides health insurance, wouldn’t more hours equate to more taxable income and provide more tax input?
Not being controversial here, but could someone layout why this would cause an increase?
Because it will make more employees not eligible for coverage through their employer, thus more people applying for subsidies. Right now, you don’t qualify for a subsidy if your employer offers coverage.
Libby, Employers all over slashed hours so as o not have to pay for the insurance. All tis does is makes it possible for them people to get to the hours that they were at before.
That’s fine, FFA. I didn’t advocate for or against the change. Someone asked me how it was going to increase the deficit and I told them. I hope they CAN get more hours AND a subsidy for health insurance.
Crossing the fingers, shaking the dice and hoping for the best Libby…. Maybe with the increased hours, they would be able to afford their own. Tax revenue increase to help cover the subsidies.
“Facts” – It won’t. That comment is simply a scare tactic to convince people they should not change the law. The employers that cut hours were the ones that couldn’t afford the Obama mandate so they went into survival mode. The companies that already have full time employees and were already providing healthcare coverage are not going to all of a sudden cut hours.
Repealing this part is a bandaid and should help those in the middle class that lost hours because of the mandate and will add some additional tax revenue.
integrity matters,
President Obama does not need scare tactics. He can just veto the bill with NO chance of an overrride.
The only thing that will help the middle class is for the corporations hording their record profits to hire or at least increase wages.
Ron,
If it is a straight party line vote, than “no”, the veto cannot be overridden. I think there might be some Dems that would vote “yes” to override the veto.
FYI – did you ever think that the corporations “hoarding their record profits” might be holding onto them because they are worried what the government might do in the future?
The profits they are holding is preventing them from investing and growing their companies. Their afraid that King Obama might wield his mighty pen and dictate some other ridiculous tax.
integrity matters,
If that is true, then shame on them. That is no excuse. President Obama does not have the power to which you are referring, period. What you are referring to are real scare tactics.
The corporations have become predators who are feasting on the high unemployment rate, improved technology, and the productivity of the American worker to resist hiring and increasing wages.
Some Democrats and/or Independents may vote to override the veto, but it is highly unlikely there would be enough. In addition, there may also be some Republicans who vote against overriding the veto. This why I believe there is zero chance of an override.
Only Republicans use scare tactics. Like “Pathway to Death” and other such absurd drivel. Karl Rove would be so proud.
@ Ron – Constituionally speaking, Obama does not have the power to do that. However, that didn’t stop him from his amnesty endeavor. He didn’t have the authority to do that, either.
@ Libby – Rove is a drone and supports big government, regardless of what he says. Scare tactics…oh, yeah, the Dems never use them (ohhh, their going to shut down the govt…reality, the essential parts of the govt, including debt payments, continue).
Speaking of “pathway to Death”, did you hear Gruber say the other day that the only way to make Obamacare fiscally sound is to deny certain procedures? They couldn’t possibly be procedures that could actually save someones life, could they?
The fact that you Dems believe that life saving procedures will not be denied is mind boggling to me.
Universal Care = Death? Seriously? You have got to be one of the dimmest posters here.
Even bob agrees we have the same mortality rate as countries with Universal Care. Maybe you should do some research before posting your fear mongering.
Libby – I never said that Universal care = death. I merely pointed out that Gruber said that to make Obamacare fiscally sound, certain procedures would have to be denied. Logic (which you obviously lack) dictates that when procedures are denied, some people would die.
Wasn’t one of the arguments for Obamacare about all the big, bad health insurance companies denying coverage and people dying because of it? It works both ways, sweetheart. If we want more procedures covered by the insurance companies, than something has to be done with tort reform to lower the expense side of the equation.
Regarding the mortality rate in other countries, let’s try to apply a little more logic ( I know its hard for you and I don’t want to make your head hurt).
It is possible that the mortality rates are similar because:
1) The US has the best healthcare in the world and because of this, detrimental conditions like obesity that are more prevalent in the US are better handled, improving life expectancy. This combined with
2) The social healthcare in other countries is deficient, causing their mortality rate to be lower, even though lifestyles are indicated to be better than the US.
If the healthcare was equal to or better than the US’, in theory, the mortality rate should be higher in the countries with better lifestyles.
I am not fear mongering. I am applying common sense, which you leftists obviously do not have.
Maybe you should try to think critically before you speak.
I don’t care what Gruber said. What coverage is excluded (or what procedures) in the ACA that were covered prior to the ACA? None! Coverage is actually broader, including preventive care, pregnancies, and birth control.
My head doesn’t hurt from critical thinking, it hurts from having to read the constant stream of crap that comes from your mouth.
You want some cheese with that whine, Libby?
Answer one question…was Obamacare delivered with the cost savings and promises that it was advertised with?
The american people were sold a bill of goods. The few potential bright spots could have been accomplished with less intrusive means.
What whine? Republicans are the only whiners on here.
Considering the ACA has not even been fully rolled out, it’s way too soon to be judging it’s success or failure. I’ll agree that other plans would have been much better, in my opinion, but that’s what we got when Obama started pandering to the right.
You guys loved the plan when it was presented by the Heritage Foundation. When it’s presented by Obama, you hate it. Try to make up your minds. THAT is what’s making my head hurt.
Libby Asks: “What coverage is excluded (or what procedures) in the ACA that were covered prior to the ACA?”
Not a coverage, but a provision that says when you spend X Amount you will have no out of pocket.
Prior to the ACA, there was a true Out Of Pocket Limit.
Blame the insurance carriers, not the ACA.
Libby, if not for the ACA, the Out of pocket provision would not have changed.
And premiums would still be going up double digits instead of single. Let’s face it. Costs of healthcare and health insurance were out of control way before the ACA with no end in sight. At least the increases have slowed down.
@Libby – Still using the MSNBC talking point about the Heritage Foundation plan??? PLease, read the d**n thing because they look nothing alike.
I don’t recall using that talking point in this thread, but since you brought it up maybe you should do some reading:
http://americablog.com/2013/10/original-1989-document-heritage-foundation-created-obamacares-individual-mandate.html
And then an apology would be most appreciate.
Actually facts, the deficit will go up dramatically with all the Medicaid enrollees that were sent there from the exchanges and Healthcare.gov.
Difference now Ron is Republicans have enough to over ride the veto.
Every time I see that commercial that they guys says “20 Minutes is all it took”, I flash back to the one conversation I had with Health Care . Gov that lasted 6 hours for one application. I can tell you many more stories with lesser time frames.
They have also screwed up my billing. According to BCBS, the application for premium assistance was never received by Blue Cross after the Health Care.Gov folks stated that it would “automatically” be sent over.
This whole thing was based on lies and deceit.
Kudos to Obama – gas was $1.97 down the street from me on Monday.
FFA,
They do not have enough to override a veto. 2/3 (67%) of the House and Senate are required. They currently have 57% of the House and 54% of the Senate.
And you don’t think some of the Dems want their name off this? Not much of a spread…
Ron, how do you presume to know how many Democrats will cross over on any vote? Did you pull that out of your Algorithm box? Many Democrats were reading the tea leaves after the last election. They also know the Republicans ran the table on almost every race that the Democrats supported Obama and his agenda.
Agent,
Because I am smarter than you when it comes to politics and the insurance mechanism. How do you presume some Republicans may also cross over?
You have no clue how this works. You are so delusional you actually think there will be significant chnage for the better with the new Congress. So naive.
Agent = another reading comprehension failure for ya.
FFA said: Difference now Ron is Republicans have enough to over ride the veto.
Ron: They do not have enough to override a veto. They currently have 57% of the House and 54% of the Senate.
Ron was advising FFA he was wrong that “the Republicans have enough to over ride the veto.”
He was merely pointing out the fact that – solely by party lines – the Republicans can not override a presidential veto on their own.
FFA,
I was specifically pointing out that your statement, “Republicans have enough to over ride the veto.” is technically incorrect.
Do you know of at least 13 Democratic/Independent Senators and 44 Democratic/Independent Representatives who would vote to override teh veto? This is also assuming all Republicans will vote to override the veto.
It is possible, but highly unlikely in today’s political environment.
Rosenblatt, it is you and Ron who have the reading comprehension problem. That is a common problem with liberals, parsing words. I asked Ron how he could presume to know how many Democrats would cross over and vote with Republicans to get something passed over a veto. Straight party lines, Ron is correct, in reality, it could be something quite different if some moderate Democrats want to throw Obama under the bus and get something done.
Agent – I see you still haven’t learned what “parse words” means as you’re still using it negatively.
Anyway, you just wrote “Straight party lines, Ron is correct.”
Yeah dude. That’s what I said. “He was merely pointing out the fact that – solely by party lines – the Republicans can not override a presidential veto on their own”
As you agree with the only point I was trying to clarify for you, I have no need to reply to the other junk you posted.
I like the odds Ron…
I like people getting their hours back. I like the idea of not increasing the Burdon on the small business man. I have had so much attrition because business close and the recent “boom” in foreclosures with in my agency.
I don’t like spending 6 hours on one single application. I don’t like the idea of being told something is done when its not. I don’t like telling people they cant keep their doctors or their plans. This whole thing was sold on lies and deceit.
I don’t like laying off my employees as I had to earlier this week.
FFA,
I would be happy to wager anything that this will not become law. Not saying I do not want it to become law, just based on teh realities iof the current political environment.
In addition, I do not believe that employers will magically increase anyone’s hours just for this reason. Just like I do not believe employers will hire more if you just lower their taxes. If there is a business need to have these people work more hours or hire more, then there is a chance.
Ron, Im a gambling man…. Shall we call it $1.00? No wait… A Gal of Gas. A Gal of Milk?
FFA,
You choose. How about all 3?
Ill take that bet. Gas in NY is higher then I like to wager, but hey…. why not.
Realtor just informed me to push up the ask by $15K if I can things buttoned down in the next two week. Seems feasible, so… OK!
Strange. Now the Dem is out of Springfield, I can push up my home value by $15,000… Coincidence?
FFA,
The whole wager, based on NY prices, would be $6.20. ($1 = $2.50 for milk and $2.70 for gas) It’s really not that bad.
About 20 years ago, I had a bad gambling problem so I drew my line at $5.00 on personal bets and $50.00 loss at the card table. Might I add, I broke the habit with out professional help and with out getting myself banned from the Boats.
I guess with inflation, $6.20 would do the job. Your on.
Don’t you all mean undocumented democrats?
Always – please tell me how they can claim a party affiliation when they are not eligible to register to vote? And do not, in fact, have the right to vote. Quit hatin’.
Libby – stop being so naive that you don’t think the illegal aliens will be able to get registered. Why do you think the Dem’s are pushing so hard to get them drivers licenses?
Integrity – stop being so cynical in expecting that they will. A drivers license doesn’t give you the right to vote. Citizenship does.
Libby – Do you really believe that in the last 2 elections, make it 6 elections, that there were no people who were not Citizens of this country that voted?
I guess you also believe that there have not been people that have voted multiple times during the same election.
Wait…you believed that Obama was honest and was going to make some good changes for this country and Obamacare was going to work, too, didn’t you?
That explains it. Um…should I mention that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny don’t really exist, either? Sorry, spoiler alert.
Show me the statistics or shut up about it.
Nice comeback. Make a request that nobody could possibly prove statistically.
How about you trust me that I know people that voted that are not supposed to be eligible to vote. Better yet, how about the media documented accounts of dead people voting or people voting multiple times? Let’s not forget general corruption like 100% of voting districts voting for Obama( I guess you believe that not one person in that district would have voted against him).
You might be a sheep and blindly follow, but I will NEVER shut up about the corruption.
And for those that excuse it away with “there’s corruption in every administration”, I say that is no excuse for the next administration. The more we let it go, the worse it gets.
Nice comeback. What do dead people voting have to do with illigal aliens voting?
Stay on topic, man.
Libby, it was just a little Chicago Sarcasm – humor…
I got a chuckle out of it…
I wasn’t replying to you, FFA. I liked that comments. I was talking to Integrity Matters.
Libby – let me connect the dots for you. Obviously, the dead people are not voting for themselves, so who do you think are voting for them??? Hmmm, maybe it could be the illegal aliens?
Also, if no one is really paying attention about dead people voting (a.k.a looking the other way), what chance do you think there is that they are going to try to stop an illegal alien from voting?
Are you really that naive??
LOL! I’m the furthest thing from naive IM. And I don’t know who’s voting for them, but I sincerely doubt it’s illegal aliens. If you’d use your brain for once, why would they even try to vote, exposing themselves to discovery and deportation? They don’t care about our elections.
I’d venture to say that political influences are using those dead people to further whichever side they advocate. It’s been done since the days of Huey Long in LA, way before we had an issue with illegal aliens.
But nice try. Come back again.
Libby – 105
Nooooo, you’re not naive. Obama good, never lie. Universal healthcare system good and affordable, never will go bankrupt or become unaffordable.
The same political influences will coerce those same illegals with bribes and threats to vote for the dead people.
Now who’s being naive? As if that’s my opinion. I’m much smarter than that. Give me some credit.
Ron, is gas still $2.70 in NY? Wow, you are getting screwed. It is $1.93 in Texas and even FFA pays around $2.00 in Chicago. What is it about NY that costs so much more to live?
They have to support all the red states that don’t pay their fair share and suck of the feds through oil subsidies and military installations.
No Libby, it is because NY is a liberal state and the taxes are so high. There are so many social programs that it is draining their resources.
Do you live there? I didn’t think so. Ron does and he says the exact opposite.
Libby – 101
IM – 0
No, I live in PA. The place where many NYers escaped to and became my neighbors because of the taxes. NJ, too.
Checkmate!
I live in PA, too. How did you checkmate me?
I was correct that you didn’t live there. Hardly checkmate. Try again later.
Libby – lost count
IM – still 0
Agent,
I am sure part of it is the increased costs to maintain safe roadways and bridges due oto the weather.
If we assume the average vehicles gets 20 mph and travels 12,000 miles per year, we pay $462 per year more for gas.
In addition, based on 2013 data, the average annual wage in NY is $54,580 compared to $44,400 in TX. I think we can absorb some things being a little more expensive, pay more in taxes to help our less fortunate, and still maintain a very comfortable standard of living.
Our roadways are well maintained and new ones are being built all the time to accommodate growth. We have no State Income Tax and a surplus in the Treasury. We also have a lot of N/E defections coming here for the obvious advantages. If you are doing so well Ron, why aren’t you paying Federal Income taxes like I have to do to support your butt.
Agent,
Good for TX. And I mean that sincerly.
When I can no longer claim my kids as a deduction and pay off my mortgage, start making a boat load of money, or the Republicans decide to incease my taxes, I will start paying federal income tax. If and when that happens, I will not complain.
Since I receive no government assistance, how are you supporting my butt? However, I do pay SS and medicare taxes which means I am, or soon will be supporting your butt. Unless you are playing on declining SS and Medicare benefits.
Agent, I am in the Burbs. Chicago Gas is at $2.60. Dupage is a little less then Chicago and Dekalb is less then where I am.
Chicago, Dupage and Kane County all mandate some additive to reduce the CO2. Soon as you get to DeKalb County, no more mandate. No more emission testing. No more EPA BS that drives the cost up.
A pack of Cigs is over $12.00 in Chicago now. State shot them selves in the foot on that one. Many of the smokers have quit or are now rolling their own. rolling their own, there is not the big tax buying tobacco in bulk. Not shell, your getting three cartons for about $30.00 as opposed to over $80.00 a carton pre rolled. My last bad habit to kick….
FFA, the last terrible idea of bio fuels and corn driven ethanol as an additive was visited upon us by Progressives in both parties. Less MPG for cars, ethanol is harmful to injectors and the cost of gas is higher as a result. We sit on the biggest supply of oil and gas in the world. Time to just grow corn for food and other products and give us regular unleaded at the pump. We will all be better off for it.
Spoken like the true dinosaur that you are, Agent. Maybe when you shrivel up and die, we’ll suck you out of the earth and put you in our tank.
He cant be that far off. Isnt Agent like 130 years old or something?
I will gladly donate whatever fossil fuel you can get from this body when it is in the ground. It’s the circle of life and I’m proud to do my part!
No thanks. Once you old, tired, Republicans die off, we’ll be perfecting renewable green energy and won’t need your shriveled up carcass. But thanks anyway.
@Libby – HAHA. Now that was funny!
Republicans dont actually want to repeal the ACA because, get this, it’s working to improve the lives of millions of Americans.
They just want to pretend like they are going to gut it because it buys them votes with Texas idiots like Agent.
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/01/07/morning-plum-as-gop-continues-denouncing-obamacare-as-failure-uninsured-rate-falls-yet-again/?hpid=z2
Republicans don’t actually want to do much of anything, except stonewall Democrats. They’re all a disgrace to their position.
I know my heath insurance premiums went up $2200 a year.
Oh wait a min….Obola promised they would go down $2500 a year. But I forgot to a democrat…right is wrong…up is down and …you get the picture.
You were Grubered you libtards and your are too stupid to admit it.
All the people with subsidies won’t be able to afford the deductible anyways. So having insurance means nothing if you have a subsidized plan that makes you pay $6,350 before it pays you or the doctors back. Good luck finding a doctor that accepts IOUs.
Jack – you need a better agent.
As a MATTER OF FACT he did tell me that, Libby. We actually picked my plan out together and since he pays for it he has the last say on it he has to approve it. Now why don’t you dust off your boom and fly around for a while to cool your jets off!
Which is it? You picked your plan together or he picked it? Or he picked it after you said, “Fine. I’d rather give up a pay raise and have good insurance.” If that’s the case, then YOU made the decision to pay more money and really have alot of nerve complaining about it now.
My jets don’t need cooling except when talking to entitled Republicans that are outraged they have to pay an additional 2% of their annual income to obtain better insurance while there are millions of people that had no insurance at all until it was made available to them through the ACA. Boo f’n hoo, sister!
Mine went up $1,200. So much for lowering our premiums Mr. Obama. And can any of you confirm this? I’ve heard that all children who are on their parent’s subsidized plan under the age of 18 are automatically put on Medicaid. Even if the parents don’t want their children on such a plan. It’s the law. Thanks!
That’s $100 a month. Hardly ball busting.
As far as your other question, I couldn’t find anything confirming that and it doesn’t sound right to me. But I don’t know for sure.
$100 a month might not sound a lot too you but it maybe to someone else.
Not if you make too much to qualify for a subsidy. And you already said you did. What is $1,200 as a percentage of your annual salary? 2%???
If that is the only increase in the monthly budget, 2%is not much. But the increase in the cost of food alone (projected 20% increase in the cost of beef alone) all adds up.
Found it – they are put on Medicaid – Nice going, Obama.
http://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid-chip-program-information/by-population/children/children.html
Libby, for your information – and I know you’ll jump down my throat – I didn’t take the subsidy. My boss was willing to put me on a better plan than what those offered via the subsidy. This of course will effect my raise this year.
Yes, it all adds up. But she wasn’t talking about food now, was she?
Sounds like she is venting on one line item of the monthly budget.
Yeah, the one line all you people vent about. The ACA. You know what happens when food goes up in my household? I have to cut my discretionary budget to accomodate it. I turn the thermostat down. I don’t drive my car as much. I don’t go out to eat or to the movies. No new shoes or clothes this month.
It’s no different if your health insurance goes up. You have to make adjustments in your budget. Not whine and complain on blog day after day after day. Suck it up and move on.
http://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid-chip-program-information/by-population/children/children.html
Found it – Children under the age of 18 are put on Medicare IF there parents are on a subsidy.
And Libby, don’t go bonkers now – My boss actually got me on a much better plan than what the subsidies were. It’s costing him $1200 more a year though and that has a direct impact on what my raise will be this year as well. And, $100 is a lot of money for someone who is single and has to pay for this out of their own pocket. I am lucky enough not to have to. You liberals really are something else.
If you’re not paying for it, why are you bellyaching about it? You Republicans really are something else.
Sorry Always, you’ll have to point out to me where it says if you’re parents are receiving a health insurance subsidy, you go on CHIP. It says no such thing. If the parents don’t buy health insurance, the children can still be eligible for CHIP. That’s not the same thing as them being forced on CHIP if their parents have a health insurance subsidy. Look harder. If it doesn’t make sense, it’s usually not true. And that just doesn’t make sense.
Did you not catch the part where I mentioned that the increase has a direct impact on my yearly raise? For someone who is so critical of other people’s comprehension – I’m shocked that you missed it.
As or Obama care – everyone has to purchase healthcare – IT.IS.THE.LAW. And IF you’re on a subsidy your
children are eligible for Medicaid and they are being put on it even if the parents don’t want them to be on Medicaid they are still being put on it. I just had this confirmed from an agent in Chicago named Rick Kemp. http://www.manta.com/c/mrsh2w3/healthcare-solutions-team-richard-kemp. Look him up and give him a call Libby if you don’t believe me. Just another freebee from the Obama administration.
“As or Obama care – everyone has to purchase healthcare – IT.IS.THE.LAW.”
No they don’t. They will have to pay a penalty tax if they do not purchase it. That’s all.
And no, I don’t take Rick’s word for it any more than yours. The article you linked DID NOT SAY THAT. Period.
Find me the portion of the LAW that says it and I will believe it. I looked and looked and couldn’t find it. So as far as I’m concerned you’re just as full of shit on this issue as you are on most others.
In addition, how do you know what will or will not affect your raise or that you will even get a raise – health insurance increase or not? Did your boss tell you “I’m spending $1,200 more for your health insurance and that will be deducted from any raise I was going to give you.”??? Highly doubtful. You just ASSume it will affect your raise. A critical mistake you guys make all the time.
Libby – Let me get this straight…you think it is okay for Obama to lie about the cost of Obamacare and people are not suppose to complain about it’s affordability (because not everyone can afford an additional $100/month even if they cut someplace else) yet you are going to criticize those who wanted to keep the old system because it was unaffordable?
Can you say “hypocrite”?
Basically, you are saying it’s okay for someone in the middle class to be dragged down just so they can suffer with the ones already down there.
How about we create a system that actually promotes and encourages a way for a person to be lifted up to the middle class?
Wait, we already have that but the govt wants to continue to suppress the poor by encouraging them to receive handouts and not help themselves out of their poverty. There are numerous success stories like this (yes, I know there are probably an equal number of those that work hard and don’t get out. But, at least they have a chance. How much chance do the ones have that simply live off the govt??
Libby, you have to be the most rudest person I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across. Your pride just baffles me and your rudeness is fitting.
No, of course I’m not saying that. Pay attention.
1) “you think it is okay for Obama to lie about the cost of Obamacare and people are not suppose to complain about it’s affordability?” – NO. I do not know if Obama misspoke, was given false information, or lied, so I will not acknowledge what he said as a lie right now. As far as affordability, did Obama set the rates for the insurance carriers??? NO. You are not blaming the correct party here.
2) “yet you are going to criticize those who wanted to keep the old system because it was unaffordable?” The old system WAS NOT affordable for the majority. If it had been, we wouldn’t have had so many uninsured citizens. Duh.
3) As I have said before, I am not a proponent of the ACA. I wanted Universal Health Care. But, this is a start and at least it’s finally being addressed. I can live with that.
4) “How about we create a system that actually promotes and encourages a way for a person to be lifted up to the middle class?” – Now you’re talking my language. However, big business (mainly funded and led by Republicans) sees no value in investing in that. Their profits have grown exponentially while the middle class has all but disappeared. Again, you are barking up the wrong tree here. You continue to defend the very people (party) that is perpetuating the poverty problem and you don’t even see it.
5) “we already have that but the govt wants to continue to suppress the poor by encouraging them to receive handouts and not help themselves out of their poverty.” – It is not the government encouraging people to receive handouts, it’s big business cutting wages, slashing jobs that is causing people to NEED handouts. Why don’t you go railing against them? The government has no stake in wanting people to live in poverty. That’s absurd.
6) “Can you say “hypocrite”?” – Yes. Almost everytime I read a post from one of you guys.
Awwww. You hurt my feelings, Always. If it looks like shit and sounds like shit, I’m going to call it shit. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities. Time to put on your big girl panties and get over yourself.
Let me be the one to correct your statement… They are all a disgrace no matter what side of the isle they sit on.
YAY FFA!!
FFA, you know I respect your opinion, but not all the politicians are a disgrace. Is Mia Love, Joni Ernst, Tim Scott a disgrace? They haven’t been in there long enough to do anything wrong. They were elected to right some wrongs. Now, if you are talking about Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chucky Schumer, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, I agree they are a disgrace. I am not a fan of Boehner or McConnell either, but at least they are not a Progressive Socialist idiot.
Agent, your state is home to arguably the most destructive force in American government: Teddy Cruz.
You probably shouldnt be throwing stones given that 1) youre too old and 2) youre in a particularly glassy house.
Stan, Stan Stan…. Have you not paid attention to IL? 5 out of 8 former govs in jail with the last one under fed investigation? Grey Lord? Silver Scoop? All the sex scandals… Mel Reynold. The knuckle head from Elgin? Too many to list.
I’ll take the TX gov any day of the week other then this shit hole of a state I live in… NFL……
Agent, I did mean to exclude those that have not been there long enough to help ruin our country. As cold as it is outside, I though today was gonna be a quiet day. Instead, Ive been getting cut short – before proof reading – to get to the next call.
Stan, I had hoped you would step up after being absent for the holidays and be a man, but your maturity is at about 8 now. I think Texas has done quite well with Cruz & Greg Abbott and wasn’t stupid enough to elect Wendy Davis (she lost by about a million votes in an off year). If you are really from Washington state, you have the worst in Patti Murray. Thank God we got rid of a bunch of Progressive liberals in this country. Old Harry had to clean out his office so he couldn’t block any more legislation from being passed.
Cruz is a Canadian charlatan who has no interest in solving problems, just demonizing democrats and the left. Its no surprise that you like him.
And FFA, Cruz is the senator, Perry is the governor. Not that it matters, both are idiots. One being a charlatan, the other being a pill popper that cant even remember which three agencies to shut down.
All that aside, I do agree that the IL governors of years past have been a disgrace. Corruption across the board.
And Agent, that’s rich calling me immature. You’re without a doubt the least informed, loudest crybaby on the IJ. And that isnt even exaggerating. Plus, you cant even describe it correctly. I am an 8? 8 what? 8 out of 10? 8 yrs old? Sideways infinity 8?
Youre really starting to lose it. Thank god you live in that shit-hole Texas state where you can hide in plain sight. Any other state and they might lock you up.
Its not just the govs Stan. its at all levels. state / fed / City Hall. Jesse Jr (fed), his wife (Chicago) to name two in one family.
Do you recall what happened in Dixon IL? Even are Farming Communities…
You want to argue political corruption, you will always need to concede that IL is worse then what ever state you are arguing is the worst.
@ Stan – Yea, that Ted Cruz, standing up for what the Constitution actually says. You think that is ruining this country?
FYI, don’t forget that Obama is from IL. The corruption doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Agent – I think Boehner and McConnell are progressives in sheep’s clothing!
Ted Cruz doesnt stand for anything other than pure, calculated ambition. He’s using republican sheep – – See Agent – – to harness their anger at Obama. That’s it. He’s not for one substantive measure other than Democrats = bad. Probably because there would be losers in any substantive policy agenda. Cowardly and a liar. A true Texan.
Integrity, don’t forget a lot of OBamas pals from Chicago are in jail. Don’t forget his property tax “dodge”. Don’t forget him hiding behind executive privilege in the Blago Corruption trial.
How do you like living under the Chicago Political Machine?
@ Stan – You said “cowardly and a liar”. That, my delusional friend, is Obama. When has he EVER taken responsibility for anything. He lies so much that he doesn’t even know what is true any more.
Provide some proof on your Ted Cruz allegations. Even if he has lied, I guarantee Obama has him beat by at least 10 lies to every 1 of Cruz’s.
IM – wasn’t it you that said you didn’t care if other administrations had corruption; it was no excuse for other administrations?
Now you’re condoning Cruz for being a liar because you say Obama is a bigger liar.
This is, all my neo-con friends, an specific example of the hypocristy of the right.
Libby – 102
IM – 0
Libby – No, I asked for proof of his allegations against Cruz. I merely stated that even if he found proof, Obama would still be a bigger liar.
I never said that I condoned it. And I still won’t condone it. If he was President and lied, I would call him out on it, too!
Integrtity does matter!
IM – if integrity really matters, it’s not the number of lies that counts. A lie is a lie.
There is, however, a difference between being misled, misspeaking, and just being wrong. I have said things that turned out to be wrong. It didn’t make me a liar. I believed it when I said it, I was just wrong.
None of you righties will even consider that any of the above scenarios may have been the case with Obama. You are quick to point the finger and label him a liar without any real proof.
And don’t get me wrong PLEASE!!! I’m NOT saying he didn’t lie. I’m just saying there are other explanations and without more information/evidence I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
The majority of the politicians in Washington now are a disgrace to their position and this country. They have their own interests in mind and not the Constitution.
This applies to both Republicans and Dem’s. Boehner and McConnell should be removed from their positions because they lie almost as much as Obama.
I’ll agree with that.
What a joke Integrity! Stan is such an immature baby. He also thinks Perry is still the Governor of Texas. He still has not awakened to the fact that the country turned red overnight in November. What success story can he point to with Progressive Democrat leadership? Why did they lose so badly? What was wrong with their agenda?
I will agree that Boehner & McConnell have a bit too much RINO in them to suit me, but they are at least not flaming Progressives like Pelosi & Reid have been.
Agent,
How does having a 54%(Senate) and 57%(House) majorities equate to the country turning red? How many of those Republicans are really RINOs?
Yes, the Republicans had great success in the last election. They also had success in 2010 and where did that get us?
Until they start passing some bills that reduce spending, especially in states that have a deficit with the federal governemnt.
Addendum:
Until they start passing some bills that reduce spending, especially in states that have a deficit with the federal governemnt, I will withhold my judgement. You know, fiscal responsibility. If they accomplish this, I will start leaning back toward the right.
Ron, how does going from a minority in the Senate to gaining 9 seats and a majority strike you? How does increasing the margin in the House by 15 seats after Pelosi was bragging she would get the House back a month before the election? Do you think the stupid voters woke up from their slumber of 2012 and realized Progressive Democrat governance was flawed? I guess you didn’t watch the map on Election night. Except for a few blue splotches in the traditional blue N/E and the few on the left coast, everything else was red everywhere you looked. From the S/E coast all the way through Texas, there is not one Democratic Senator. Before you say it is the racist South, Tim Scott (R-SC) was also elected. Mary Landrieu called her own people racists and against women and she was swamped.
Agent,
Did you even read my post? Did you miss the point where I stated, “Yes, the Republicans had great success in the last election.” That means I have already aknowledged their success.
I am just stating that to say the country turned red is, at best, hyperbole. They only gained 24 total seats out of 535. In addition,
I am really just questioning how effective they will be at governing. Not saying they will not be effective, just do not know yet.
I thought you would be happy that there is a chance I could turn more to the right and “get on board” the Republican gravy train. Who knows, maybe I will start maiking enough money to start paying federal income taxes again.
When have I ever stated that I thought the South is racist? Do I believe there are some racists in the South? Yes. Do I believe there racists everywhere in the country? Yes. Do I believe that some African-Americans, Latino-Americans, and other minorities are racists? Yes.
Agent, the country didnt turn red overnight, you silly old man. And for the record, in the last 8 years the DOW is at all time highs, gas is at a 15 year low, and the economy is adding jobs at the fastest rate it has in a decade. Turns out progressive policies work, even when opposed by republicans.
You are a cancer on this country.
Stan – You are a dolt. Obama and his policies have had nothing to do with the recent recovery. The gas prices have dropped because OPEC is at war with Putin. The unemployment numbers are still understated. Yes, it is better, but there are still more people off the roles than what the numbers indicate. The 4th quarter numbers are effected by the seasonal employment.
People are starting to spend more now because they became more fiscally responsible due to the previous years excessive fuel costs. Disposable income is slightly greater due to personal responsibility, not government responsibility or intervention.
Another example of hypocrisy, folks.
1) Obama is the cause of all things wrong in the country.
2) Obama is not the cause of anything good that happens in the country.
Libby – 103
IM – oh, who cares! It’s still 0!
Believe what you want IM, but the economy recovered because of Obama and in spite of republicans. And its done more than recovered, its booming. The DOW is at an all time high, as are profits.
Admit that youre wrong. Go ahead, I wont gloat. JK, Ill def gloat because your a bona fide nerf brain. Thank goodness the repubs will never again be in charge of substantive policy. The country has moved on and its moving left in a huge way.
Just wait till Hillary is in office. I hope the tax rates on 250K and above go through the roof!
Stan – BAHAHAHA! The economy is recovering, not booming, in spite of Obama AND the republicans AND the democrats.
You’re right…the DOW is doing great. WooHoo! One piece of the pie going in the right direction. ONly if the little problem called the DEFICIT would go in the right direction. $18 trillion and climbing, most of which is attributable to Barack “I’m an economics genius” Obama. And that does not even include the unfunded liabilities at $92 trillion.
Chew on this
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Sorry to hear that you are too stupid too realize that we are going to end up like Greece with the country moving so far left. I bet you can’t wait for the dollar to be as strong as the peso!
All of you leftists are idiots.
You don’t even know the difference between the deficit and the national debt and you’re calling US idiots? That’s rich.
For you information, the DEFICIT is going in the right direction. It is going down. The DEBT is a bigger hurdle with the majority of the spending resulting from failed REPUBLICAN policies – 2 unfunded wars and tax cuts for the rich. Way to go Dubya!
You’re the idiot, my friend.
Wake up and smell the coffee Libby. There is a new sheriff in town. You and others have said for 6 years that the Republicans are the party of NO. For the next 2 years, your President you voted for twice will be the President of NO. I laugh every time I hear him say he wants to work with Republicans and then threaten a veto on anything they propose to do that is against the agenda.
Stan, thought you would be working… Or is it too cold?
Had a busy holiday. You know, Xbox, Twitter, Facebook, iPhone, hanging out on old men’s lawns. Don’t worry though. I am back and refreshed as ever for 2015. Look out, Old Man Agent. I am only getting stronger!
Some good new and some bad news here in IL. I have had two more biz shut down.
On the up side, my step son been working two – three pt jobs for three years finally found a full time job.
My Brother been looking to avoid the transfer out of state, found a new job that pays him more money and gives him a company car. A 12,000 swing in annual cash flow not including his car payment.
Moral, you just never know when something going to break in your direction….
FFA, I’m glad your family is getting some relief. Good to hear.
Its been a rough 24 months for us… Nursing home hearing coming soon, but not likely an eviction.
Thanks for your well wishes. Glad 2014 is in the rear view mirror….
Hmmmmmm. Maybe Obama’s not so bad after all. You blamed him for the bad times, so you have to give him credit for the good. That’s the way it goes, FFA.
Its only one week so far Libby… Ill give him koodos on the gas prices. Now, maybe I can catch up on the spike I have in Med Bills.
Hey Perplexed, some on this blog have said the Republicans wouldn’t do anything when they started the new term. Just today, the House passed the TRIA renewal and sent it over to the Senate and McConnell promised quick action to get it passed and sent over for the President to sign. The lame ducks had no luck in passing anything before it expired. It looks to me like the Republicans are serious about passing legislation. I wonder if Obama will veto this as well.
“The lame ducks had no luck in passing anything before it expired.”…thanks to Republican Tom Coburn holding up the vote.
FFA – Obama is not responsible for the gas prices going down. OPEC is trying to put Putin out of business. Our gas production in the US has helped.
FFA, Please don’t give credit to Obama on falling gas prices. He was too busy with his vacation in Hawaii to even know what was going on. He may have read it in the newspaper as he usually does. There is a big feud going on between OPEC, the Saudi’s and Putin on production. They are trying to cut each other’s throats. Couple that with increased production on state lands in the US and thus there is a glut and demand has fallen so the fall in prices. This will go on for a little while until someone blinks. It might be a dangerous situation if Putin starts a war to wag the dog and deflect from his failures. We should offer Europe LPG which we have in abundance in case he cuts them off.
I just gave him Kuddos… Its a fancy word for nothing last I checked my 1923 Webster Dictionary. Im sure Stan will give me the new definition.
How can you access a 1923 dictionary when there was no google back then, FFA? Its not making sense.
I turn around and pull it off my book shelf. I have a Random House from the 50’s also.
You know what a book is? If not, it is a bunch of writing on paper between two covers.
I’ve heard of them. There’s probably a picture of one on my iPad somewhere. The stone age must have really been something . . .
“OPEC is trying to put Putin out of business”.
So them Russians are good for something – creating competition and engaging OPEC in a price war. Maybe they should start farming and drive down the price of food.
Speaking of shriveling up, Bernie Sanders, the Commie Senator from Vermont is 73 and looks 83. Barbara Boxer, age 74 will not run for re-election. Her Pelosi Botox treatments stopped working. They stopped working for Pelosi as well. Hillary is also leather faced and her and no treatments can help her. No wonder Billy has been going to Epstein’s carribean island to see the young underaged sex slaves.
Don’t forget, I’ve seen a picture of you Agent. You’re no bathing beauty yourself. Picking on someone because of their looks is not only mean-spirited, it’s sophomoric. Grow up!
Anyone read where Schumaker (NY Democractic) stated that ACA was wrong to pass. They took a system that worked for 93% of American’s and compleatly changed it for the other 7%. Based on the cost of ACA we could have given each of the 7% $1,000,000 each to pay for there own health care and it would have been cheaper then current ACA……It’s about power!!! King Obama needs it.
Oh ask ANY Canadian about how great there Health Care System is. Oh better yet ask ANY Hospital that is within a hour of the border why so many Canadians come here for surgeries. Ask ANY OF THEM!!!
Yes TX, actually I think is was Chuckie boy Schumer who said that it was a bad idea. I think he voted for it without reading it like all other Congressmen and Senators. Now that disaster has set in, they try to walk it back.
“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”
And don’t ever forget Obola said this. Chickens coming home to roost pretty soon!
Jack, I think we have some new Jihadists on this site who want to shut down free expression. They will be sorely disappointed.
Just like you, Agent? Your the biggest censor on here. HYPOCRITE.
Libby, every time you, Ron & Rosenblatt tell me to shut up only gives me more encouragement to speak out. How does it feel to be a true believer in Progressive Socialism and watch the politicians who promote it crash and burn?
Agent – I have NEVER told you to shut up. In fact, I’ve never told ANYONE on here to shut up.
If you find me a post I made here telling someone to shut up, I’ll fly to TX and hand deliver you a case of your favorite beer.
Agent,
I do not want to shut you up, I want you to start answering my questions without going on some irrelevant rant to change the subject, or asking me a question. I would be happy with a straight forward dialogue.
Please define Progressive Socialism and list all of the politicians who promote and what they have done to advance it. You and the rest of the right love to through out terms for which you have little to no knowledge just to scare people.
Agent – I only tell you to shut up when you out-and-out lie about something or post about something of which you have no knowledge. And I am right to do that.
You, on the other hand, with your machine gun mouse, continue to censor and hide comments made by me, Stan, Ron, and Rosenblatt. How does it feel to be a Nazi Fascist?
I see Booger is back stealing monikers again or is it you Libby or you Ron. It is kind of a dead give a way when someone named agent says they will fly to Texas and hand deliver a case of beer. I am already here. By the way, you northern Progressives can stay put. You are not welcome down here.
Agent,
If we are not welcome, how come you love to point out how many New Yorkers have relocated to TX?
I’ve already told you Agent. I didn’t steal your moniker. I don’t want your moniker. I wouldn’t use your moniker for any amount of money. I have my own moniker. I like my moniker. I will continue to use my moniker.
Quit censoring me.
HOLD ON EVERYONE!
THIS WAS MY BAD.
I accidentally posted as Agent in that one post of “Find me telling anyone to shut up and I’ll fly to TX to give you a case of beer.”
Sorry about that.
I have no idea how it happened, but I can assure you it was completely accidental.
Agent,
See. If you make a mistake, just apologize. Or are Conservatives not capable of that.
Now, Agent. Maybe an apology to me, Ron, and TXMouth would be in order. Are you man enough?
Really Rosenblatt? You just accidentally typed in my moniker name, wrote your diatribe and hit the post button. Did you not have your morning coffee? I don’t mind your criticism of my posts and give back as good as I get, but I am more than a little sensitive to those who steal my moniker to make everyone think I post such garbage. Thank you for the apology.
Agent, you should be apologizing to Rosenblatt for contaminating his good name with your asinine moniker. Poor guy might have been mistaken for you instead of a smart person.
“Really Rosenblatt? You just accidentally typed in my moniker name, wrote your diatribe and hit the post button.”
Yes. That’s exactly what happened! Instead of starting my reply with “Agent” I accidentally put in “Agent” in the “Name” field.
When I realized my error, I immediately admitted to it.
“I am more than a little sensitive to those who steal my moniker to make everyone think I post such garbage. Thank you for the apology.”
Okay. But I didn’t steal your moniker – it was an accident.
Also, like you wrote “It is kind of a dead give a way when someone named agent says they will fly to Texas and hand deliver a case of beer. I am already here”
So relax a bit dude. It was an accident. I admitted as much.
Even if I didn’t admit fault – as you said, anyone reading that post would know it wasn’t you who posted due to the “fly to TX” part.
I stand by my original statement: I have NEVER told you to shut up. In fact, I’ve never told ANYONE on here to shut up. If you find me a post I made here telling someone to shut up, I’ll fly to TX and hand deliver you a case of your favorite beer.
So I guess you’re not man enough. Thanks for proving me right, Agent. Your apology is NOT accepted.
Ron, the New Yorkers who have moved to Texas saw the handwriting on the wall and decided the benefits of moving from a heavy tax and heavy regulated and high cost of doing business and high cost of living state was not so attractive anymore. They had common sense. Texas does not tend to have 8’blizzards as well.
It is interesting that a lot of northerners winter in the south because of the terrible winters in the north. I met a guy recently and he had a tee shirt with Corpus Christie on the front. He told me he just couldn’t stand it up there anymore. He is planning to move permanently in a few months if he can get his house sold. He also likes the lower cost of living, better gas prices etc.
Agent,
Once again you have taken my post out of context. What I said was, “If we are not welcome, how come you love to point out how many New Yorkers have relocated to TX?” The poinr I was making is that northerners are apparently very welcome.
You can have the pansies that can’t handle our weather. They will fit right in with you.
You keep saying how terrible it is in NY, but have no clue. If it was half as bad as you say, we would not be experiencing job and population growth at all. Are we lagging behind several states in job creation? Yes. But it is positive, so we must be doing something right.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2014/12/22/which-states-created-the-most-jobs-in-2014
http://www.census.gov/popest/data/state/totals/2014/index.html
This is an innocent opinion from obviously the outside looking in.
Help me understand why the Republicans want to stop everyone from having affordable health coverage. I see that they think that it will reduce their access to coverage. To me that’s wrong thinking. Selfish..isn’t this the “Christian” party? It seems to me that everyone does have a right to help with illness if that help is available, to withhold it over money is wrong. To try to spread the cost of that seems right. To say that we shouldn’t do what’s right due to a shortage of doctors seems wrong. Seems like we should do more to fix that problem then fighting access to healthcare..
I’m sure someone will lop my idealistic head off with my opinion, but after reading all of this I’m baffled as to why there is still an issue. I’m baffled that Republicans still want to take health care away from the sick and needy.
Because they’re hypocrites, R&M. They profess to be “Christian” then turn their backs on the less fortunate at every turn. It’s all about them and theirs. Period.
Libby – very slanderous and couldn’t be further from the truth. Most Christians are very generous, more than non-Christians.
It just shows how ignorant you really are. I will pray that a fellow Christian will share the love of Christ with you to show you what love is really all about.
Sacrifce and servanthood. Are we perfect? Of course not. That is why we need a Savior to forgive us of our sins.
Save it for some holy roller blog, IM. This is INSURANCE
Journal.
Integrity, it appears you made Libby so mad she needed two posts to vent her wrath. She is going to find a new meaning to Global Warming when she meets her maker.
I fear not, Agent. I’ll leave that to all you Republicans. Funny how all you Christians damn us to hell. I’m sure that’s what Jesus would do.
Where’s Captain???
Agent, take a chill pill dude. No one is going to hell for their political beliefs, which should be a relief to you since yours are the worst ones on here. Plus, even if there was a hell, it cant be any worse than Texas.
Isn’t respecting your elders one of the big ten?
Ha, respecting elders is the biggest fool’s errand there is. Elders didnt respect the future when they destroyed the economy, no sense bowing down to that incompetence.
If Obama was older than you, would you respect him?
Stan, Its hard to respect a liar. Cant believe a word he says.
Besides he is a Chicago Politician. I learned about that before you were born. You should move to Chicago seeing you love Liars.
Great, so the lesson is respect your elders, except when you don’t like them, then you dont have to respect them. Solid rule there, old man.
Read the post Stan. It says I don’t respect Liars. I do respect people I don’t like as well as people I don’t agree with.
I draw a line with politicians and liars. When you combine the two (Obama,Quinn,JR, our old mayor, Biden and many more politicians) its just that much worse.
Here is a hint, when someone asks you to trust them, don’t. Something is a tad askew when someone has to asked to be trusted (Biden).
FFA – believe me, I’m not expert on the bible, but I think it says to honor thy mother and father. Nothing about “elders.” Elders should always be challenged by the young. That’s how the world evolves and grows. We should never just accept the status quo without question. That’s apathetic, lazy, and quite frankly, really dumb.
Captain has not come out of shock from Joni Ernst beating his hero in Iowa.
Libby, I am not an expert either. Went to Catholic Grade School and the respect things was taught, re taught and then taught again.
My life experience, I have come to believe that respect and trust is earned. there are people that I do respect in this forum and there are other that could just drop out and never be heard from again. Some just like to agitate, other provide use full information that I have adapted in my operations. That’s come from both sides of the table.
I could do with a lot less of the personal insults that get tossed around.
Maybe Cap lost his job… Lot of that going on in IL.
Stan Says “respecting elders is the biggest fool’s errand there is.”
If you don’t consider others life experiences – Success or failure – your the fool.
How the power of ten working for you? My brother proved its validity. He is in a much better position now then he was last week because he followed some ones advice. Just to clarify, the power of ten was not my theory. Someone older then me taught me that. Not a high IQ Gal, just someone with common sense.
Considering some elses life experiences is not the same as “respect your elders.” The latter is credibility based on age alone, the former is based on the quality and nature of the experiences.
Ill take the advice of a 35 year old startup millionaire over the ranting of 122 year old Agent any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Dad Damnit, leave me outta this! No really, leave me out of this.Gotta go, need to finish my drawings of Brutha Mohammed.
FFA, there is a good reason why disresptful Stan has been unable to find a job the past two plus years. The job creating elders he disrespects want no part of his attitude. He is also an idiot of the first magnitude. When I was young starting out, I gleaned as much knowledge as I could from experienced professionals in this industry. They knew what it took to succeed in business and I adopted much of what they taught me and expanded it as I went along with my own efforts.
Some people just cant hide the attitude.
Lol, Agent, when you were young you could afford housing, education, and healthcare. The world is radically different now, is it not? What works for you doesnt work today. How this fact escapes you I just dont know.
And the reason I have a bad attitude is because YOU and people like YOU ruined this country for an entire generation. Think about that, for the better part of 40 years you took every opportunity to screw over the generation of American’s following you.
You’re literally a generational terrorist and a Texan. I dont know what is worse.
They don’t understand it, Stan, because they live in the myopia of their own little world. They have not looked around or had a real conversation with someone not exactly like themselves – EVER! They don’t understand because they’re too lazy to investigate and open their eyes to the fact that the country and the world is no longer the way it was 40 or 50 years ago. It would seem to be common sense that things have changed in that amount of time, but they’re conservative.
How many Conservatives does it take to change a lightbulb? None! They can’t stand change even if it makes the world a brighter place!
LOL! My Friday funny.
Stan, in case you didn’t catch it, I thanked Rosenblatt for his apology. When is the last time you apologized for your childish offensive behavior? Every post you make is offensive to businessmen like FFA & myself and then you wonder why you can’t get a job. By the way, Booger and Libby deserved scrutiny after they did their identity deed and then piled on with their caustic, mocking style which is typical of their ilk.
You did thank me for the apology, but you started in with disbelief and implied that what I did was intentional.
“Really Rosenblatt? You just accidentally typed in my moniker name, wrote your diatribe and hit the post button. Did you not have your morning coffee?”
Those were not sincere questions, were they? Those came across as “oh COME ON. Really? I mean, REALLY? Did you REALLY do that by accident? I don’t believe you.”
Or did you actually want to know if I had my morning coffee or not?
Rosenblatt, it is amazing that you have posted several hundred times on every subject on this blog and never once got your own name wrong until you wanted to post your trash and make it appear I said it. What a guy. I accept your apology. Hopefully, it will be the last time.
TROLL DETECTORS ARE READING FULL!!!!!
You’re an idiot. If I did it intentionally to make you look bad, why would I admit it was me? That just makes ME look bad.
If that’s so, Agent, you deserve moniker stealing and much, much more.
Agent, I could not be less sorry for rattling your old old OLD cage. Your view of the world is wrong and harmful, so you should be called to account for it. Texans like justice dont they?
We would like to give you and a few others on this forum some of our justice insolent Stan.
lol Agent, youre way too old to be doing must in the way of justice. Enjoy your economic prosperity and leave the youth to me.
Just thank your stars that you have a lawn to which you can yell at kids to stay off of.
Libby, if you are expecting an apology from me, it will be a long time coming since you willingly and joyfully participated with booger on the identity issue and it is well documented. Ins102 was also in on it along with Planet who has since disappeared. Both you and Ron have told me to shut up and you have no right to ever say that. We have freedom of expression in this country. All you have to do is say you disagree and we can agree to disagree. You are both so angry that your beliefs are so wrong and so mad the country turned red, you do tend to foam at the mouth. Before you call me a tired old white man, please do me the honor of looking at some of your leaders. Tired old Hillary, tired old Reid, tired old Boxer(retiring),tired old Feinstein, tired old Bernie Sanders, tired old Pelosi. Some say the Democrats are the party of the young. Not so much! Progressivism is a mental disease. Get some treatment before it is too late.
Agent – I would never expect an apology from you. It takes a man to admit when he’s wrong and you’re no man. As far as the identity thing goes, I can you many, many warnings that if you didn’t stop hiding my posts I was going to post your personal information. You had fair warning and thumbed your nose at me anyway. You got what you deserved.
I am not angry about any color; red, blue, or purple and I am not the one foaming at the mouth on here. I am very coherent and succinct in my posts. They are brief and to the point.
Have a great weekend you old curmudgeon you!
“I GAVE you many, many warnings.”
And you are no woman Libby. You treat all who have a different view than you with disdain and insulting behavior. You are an equal insulting poster going after women and men who disagree. Easy to see that you are the most unpopular of all posters. Enjoy your title.
Agent, if you look closely, you appear to be the unpopular one. Not me though, I love your ass-hat persona. Its kind of fun since I didnt really think someone would fit every single one of the Red state stereotypes, and yet here you are:
Old, Texan, hates Obama, not really for anything, uneducated, dumb, proud, lucky.
I bet you have a dog named Roy and you drive a 4wd vehicle in the flattest state in the Union and everything!
I’m all woman, Agent. That’s why you can’t handle me. I’m not one of your Texas “gals” that you can boss around and manipulate. How stupid did she have to be to marry your sorry ass?
As for the most unpopular poster, we all know who is manipulating the votes on here in his favor. It’s the guy with the most unimaginative moniker around aka M.R. But I guess you have to do something to feel like a real man.
If it were actually affordable, they probably would not. This was sold on lies and deceit. Not believing Liars and accepting their lies as truth is absolutely Christian.
The way he went about this is all wrong. Wasted a lot of your and my money on a web site that is still broken, jamming millions to as single web site at one time expecting a Canadian Company to have it ready, for the most part cutting agents out of the mix… The trained Licensed Professionals in favor of Minn Wage order takers. I have encountered numerous people that got bad advice from the 800 people.
everyone seems to forget – or brush aside – the pile of lies.
lol, Stan. Business people like me did not ruin this country, we paid our taxes, created jobs, worked our butts off to better ourselves, are respected in our communities, raised good kids who are self sufficient and have a strong work ethic. I know that is a foreign concept to you. Kids like you are like the OWC movement who want to tear down everything that is good in this country. Good luck in your job search. No one will hire you because of your beliefs and rancor.
Agent, how is that possible? If people your age all raised good kids, where are all these spoiled millennial brats coming from? Face it, either you all blew it and screwed up the economy or you screwed up the kids so they cant function in a good economy. Either way, its your fault, dummy.
And I have a job now. Its a bad job, but I get to fleece some old republican out of his cash, so there is a certain element that is rewarding. He reminds me a lot of you.
They are mainly coming from the liberal northeast Stan. People in Texas actually work for a living, a concept you are unaware of. My kids and grand kids are the best. Quit insulting me, you piece of trash.
Stan, we employ people and pay taxes. We don’t get the job done by biting the hand that feeds us. We don’t despise the 1% while aspiring to be one.
Our fault? isn’t it the endless line of politicians on both sides of the isle that don’t give a damn about people other then themselves failure?
I suppose that is the great promise of America, just because your grandpa is a blathering Texas idiot, doesnt mean that you are cursed to be the same color. Im happy for your grandkids.
Unfortunately, you dont know what youre talking about because millennial job prospects are brightest on the coasts (see also, democratic blue states) because that is where the innovation is taking place. Look at texas, the best city is Austin because its blue!
Its the red states where the economy is dying.
Dummy.
RM – Try to forget the lies that the Dems and media are telling you.
First, the problem with Obamacare is what it is doing/has done to our Constitutional freedom. If the govt can mandate this, they can mandate us to purchase almost anything.
Second, healthcare should be available for everyone, and preferably, affordable. There were other ways to make healthcare affordable without the mandate. As you can see, healthcare is no more affordable than it was before, in fact, it is worse for many.
The difference is the subsidies that the govt is handing out. They could have done the same thing without the mandate.
Obamacare was a ruse for a Constitutional power grab. Obama won and we are left with the mess because they all lied to us.
Healthcare was/is already available to the poor. Unfortunately is was/is not affordable.
Not to the working poor, it wasn’t. Try looking outside of your own little middle-class bubble once in while and see what’s really going on in the world around you.
Healthcare was and is available. It is not affordable, though. The govt could have just provided more subsidies to the working poor in lieu of messing up the entire system.
I don’t disagree, but that’s not the plan they came up with. If were up to me, healthcare would be available to all citizens for next to nothing. Unfortunately, they didn’t ask me to write the law.
Integrity, the poor already had Medicaid which is basically free and taxpayer supported. The enrollment sent several million more into Medicaid. The big problem with Medicaid is that doctors will not accept it since the re-imbursement is so low. I guess we need to import some more Indians and Pakistani doctors so they will accept it and work for a pittance.
If we’ve added several million more to the rolls, Agent, then it wasn’t available for all poor people before, was it?
If you even, for one minute, had a shred of intelligence I would probably fall over dead in my tracks.
And if private practice doctors won’t accept medicaid or medicare patients, that’s an excellent place to start with a single payor system! Perfect!
Great, Agent, so youre problem with the ACA is that it doesnt contain costs, and your problem with Medicare is that it keeps the prices so low.
Do you even hear yourself?
Lib-How can you say that illegals don’t vote. In many states, you can register to vote when you get a driver license-motor voter-and also in many states, all you have to do to show id to get your driver license is a utility bill and “official” id which can be a state issued id card.
The only thing that makes voter fraud not so rampant is that many illegals simply don’t choose to vote. If they did, they would tip entire elections.
blu- which is why Obama and the Dems want “amnesty” to the 5 million (probably more) illegals that are here already. Line them up, give them a drivers license, cell phone and healthcare, and you got a voter for life!
Guess who gets to pay for all that???
Illegals don’t vote in Chicago. Just the dead.
Wendy Davis lost the dead vote and the women vote. Her War on Women didn’t work out so well so Abbott handed her head to her. We are hoping she moves to Pennsylvania so Libby can be her campaign manager.
Instead of telling me they do, as fact, show me. Where’s the data. I’ve searched and as far as I found, there have only been a handful of documented cases, despite a huge effort on the behalf of the Republicans to “expose” it. It’s just more chicken little, fearmongering from the right. Ho hum.
I’ve got some news for you Stan. Doctors don’t want Obamacare either. How about those $3,000 deductibles and $10,000 out of pocket expenses before it pays anything? How many middle class Americans can cough up that kind of money for treatment when they are living paycheck to paycheck? People will just stop going to the doctor when they get sick and then go to the Emergency Room in an emergency. I thought Obamacare would end the Emergency Room treatment Democrats railed about prior to passing the law.
Agent,
The PPACA may not stop ER treatment, but Universal Health Care (UHC) would.
The Donald was on Letterman last night and seemed to support UHC. He mentioned how a friend of his went to the hospital in one of those evil countries, asked for a bill after treatment, and was told “no charge”. He also mentioned that one of the problems of our current system are greedy doctors and that they are making too much money. This coming from the ultimate capitalist.
Agent – the ACA does not dictate how much deductibles and out-of-pocket expenses should be. Blame the carriers for this. They are the responsible party.
The President, others who crafted this bill are Ivy League educated people. They think they are smarter than everyone else. Reality the opposite is true. The best teacher is life experience which means ordinary Americans have far more wisdom than any of these idiots.
lou, I saw an article today that Harvard University’s professors and staff are getting a big increase due to Obamacare after they championed it. It wasn’t supposed to happen to them, just the common folk. They are typical of the Progressive Elitists Utopians who had no idea the law applied to all Americans.
Agent, you dummy their “huge increase” was an increase in their copay to $20. You do have a point that those morons are out of touch when they complain about it, given the plight of the average American citizen. You dont have to go far to find morons, case in point.
Who is the dummy Stan? Not only did the cost go up, they are facing large deductibles and out of pocket expenses they didn’t have with their Cadillac plan. No one is going to be outraged at a $20 co pay. The new reality has set in for the elite and they don’t like it much. They should write to the President and see if they can get an exemption like a couple thousand other businesses and unions did.
Agent, please re-read above: you are the dummy.
This just in Stan…. When you meet your OOP Limit, its not truly an OOP limit. Every time you visit a specialist, you pay your co pay no matter. Same with ER, PCP, everyone.
There is no Out Of Pocket Stop Loss. It just keep going and going and going. I hope you never get there to find out the hard way.
The professors took issue with HOW the university settled on that health plan, not that they’re mandated to get insurance.
The professors are unhappy because “The University ignored that community when it embarked on a secret and non-consultative planning process…”
FOX News link just for you:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/06/outraged-harvard-professors-change-their-tune-obamacare
The actual letter written by the prof’s:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2014/11/12/harvards-health-benefits-unfairness/
Or just google “harvard university professors and obamacare”
@ Rosenblatt – “The University ignored that community when it embarked on a secret and non-consultative planning process…” sounds a lot like what the Dems did to us citizens when they passed Obamacare.
“You gotta pass it to know what’s in it.” – Pelosi
integrity matters,
As much as I dislike Nancy Pelosi, I dislike quotes being taken out of context more. What she was referring to is the fact that they had to pass the bill then send it to the Senate to allow them to review and then either pass the bill or change it then send it back to the House. It is called reconciliation.
lou, is MIT considered an Ivy League school, ie the now infamous Jonathon Gruber?
No. The eight Ivy League schools are Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Cornell, Penn, Brown, and Columbia.
Not one of them in a red state…
Perhaps that is what is wrong. More red state influence may just cure what ails us.
LOL! Right! Hardly. We’re still the greatest country in the world and we didn’t get there by accident. Ivy League schools have turned out, and will continue to turn out, the majority of our leaders.
Let’s see Libby. Obama allegedly went to both Harvard and Columbia. I sure would like to see his transcripts that are buried somewhere. I wonder if he took Leadership 101 or Econ 101 since he is abysmal in both subjects.
Bush went to Harvard and Yale too, Agent. So did Clinton and Bush Sr.
Go yell at some neighborhood kids and stop contaminating the IJ with your lunacy.
Agent – Dubya didn’t release his transcripts either. They were leaked to the press. And by the looks of them, it’s doubtful Obama’s could have been more mediocre.
http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp
Obama was EIC of the Harvard Law Review. Policies aside, he is a very very bright man. Unlike your Texas president who, among other things, managed to run the Rangers into the ground before he repeated his performance with the Country.
Ron, as much as we all dislike Pelosi, she said it in a news conference when they asked her pointed questions. Then, she would start waving her arms around and said – “We have to pass this law to see what is in it”. She also famously said she would pole vault over the fence to get it passed and assured the American People they would like it once they saw what was in it. Guess what Nancy, we didn’t like it and still don’t. You are as big a liar as your President who said 39 times on tape that if we liked our policy, we could keep it, if we liked our doctor, we could keep him/her, the average family would save up to $2,500 on the premium. Progressive Democrats can lie with a straight face better than any other politician.
Time to break out that veto pen…
Who is contaminating Stan? Your 8 year old maturity is astounding. Please explain why Obama doesn’t want his records released. The others did who were President.
Wrong. Again. No U.S. President has released their college transcripts, nor are they legally obligated to do so. But I wish he would release them just shut you up.
We fervently want the college transcripts released too so you can see how mediocre he was and is. He obviously didn’t take Compromise 101 either since he hasn’t compromised on one major issue since he has been President. It has been “My way or the highway” on every single subject. Guess what, the tide has turned and he is the lamest of ducks for the next 2 years.
Fervently, huh? I seriously doubt he had less than a C average, as did Dubya. He was Editor of the Harvard Law Review for Christ’s sake. Why don’t you share your transcripts with everyone, Agent? That would make for some interesting reading. If you even have any.
For the record, what difference does it make even if he is smart? Ted Cruz – another Harvard Law grad – had phenomenal grades and is widely considered to be a brilliant mind. Who cares? His policies are destructive and wrong. Plus, I doubt he even believes them himself, he’s just using them to get rubes like Agent and IM to vote for him because they are too dumb to know better.
Way to be a sheep, you dumb Texans.
Agent,
If a Republican, especially a Texan, displayed the exectuive approach of “My way or the highway”, you would applaud their strength is sticking to their principles.
Libby,
We would need to find the right cave wall in TX to find Agent’s transcripts. Probably a lot of pictures.
What are you talking about? What records? His birth certificate? His grades? Agent, be more delusional bro. You cant.
Sorry Ron, I don’t applaud any politician with the attitude of “My way or the highway”. I like leaders who take the advice of good advisors, listen to both sides before making decisions affecting America. Do you remember the famous Blair House meeting between Obama, Reid & Pelosi and the Republicans when they met on Healthcare reform? Republicans laid out many ideas to improve it. They were met with a cold stare and the President thanked them and said he would do it his way. Not one Republican idea was adopted into the finished product, no Tort Reform, no selling across state lines, nothing. That is not leadership, it is “My way only”. Get in the back of the bus Republicans. Gee, I wonder why this just hasn’t worked out to anyone’s satisfaction.
Libby, fair is fair. Give us a link on Obama’s transcripts. Use all your skill. You will try in vain. Why is he not proud to show how smart he was in school? He always thinks he is the smartest person in the room and often doesn’t take the advice of his advisors.
See my response above.
Agent,
I would gladly have traded President Obama’s transcripts for 10 years of Mitt Romney’s tax records.
Really Ron? And you call yourself and Independent. That is a lie of the first magnitude.
How is that a lie? Re-read it, Agent. He said tit for tat. Romney’s tax records for Obama’s transcript. It’s a fair deal. Romney wouldn’t go for it, though. Hmmmm. I wonder why?
Libby – as you know, Agent will never admit that he has poor reading comprehension skills, nor will he ever admit if he was wrong or if he made two statements that contradict each other.
You must have parsed Ron’s words :O (sarcasm!)
I believe Romney did release his tax records dufus. By the way, I don’t begrudge Romney for being wealthy or a success in business and you shouldn’t either. Being wealthy means you don’t have to steal from average citizens and abscond with public funds. I would like to see the list of who got the stimulus money that didn’t create any jobs and only feathered the nests of donors to the Democratic Party and Obama in particular.
Agent, again, you’re an idiot. You realize that Romney made all his money through leveraged buyouts in the 80s. Basically, that means they buy a company, fire half the staff, then resell it for a profit.
So Romney made a ton of cash by firing half the Dads of half the country. And this man is your hero? Grow up.
Agent,
I know he released a couple years worth. That is why I specified 10 years.
You just don’t get it. People weren’t looking to begrudge his wealth, we wanted to see how he filed, what he claimed as deductions, etc to pay as little taxes as possible. If everything was on the up-and-up why did he not just release 10 years worth. If I remember correctly, he actually amended his 2011 taxes to reduce his charitable contribution soley because he stated his effective tax rate was over 14%. This came after he stated no one should pay more in taxes than required by law. There is some integrity for ya.
You are correct in stating, “Being wealthy means you don’t have to steal from average citizens and abscond with public funds” But it does not mean that you can’t or won’t.
I do agree with your statement, “I would like to see the list of who got the stimulus money that didn’t create any jobs and only feathered the nests of donors to the Democratic Party and Obama in particular.” That is the kind of diclosure i am looking for from our government.
Agent, you are being a hypocrite and it’s you who is not playing fair.
You previously told Libby, and me, that you’re never going to open any of our links again because we “infected” your computers. Yet here you are, asking Libby to send you a link for you to review.
You can’t “fairly” ask her to provide links for you to review when you already told us you’re never going to review our links anymore.
Rosenblatt, I already knew she couldn’t produce a link because all the records were sealed since before he first took office. Perhaps we should hire those Sony/Target/Home Depot hackers and see if they can get the info.
Wrong, again Agent. This is getting old.
His records are not sealed. They are protected by privacy laws as are yours and everyone elses.
Quif trying to find something nefarious in everything Obama.
Agent – what you think you know and what truths are available online are two totally different things.
Regardless, my point is still valid.
You asking for a link – obtainable or not – knowing full that you will refuse to review ANY link that gets posted as a reply, is not “playing fair.”
If you ask for a link, you must be prepared to click it and review what was posted. That’s my only point here.
Ron, I don’t think you ever requested 10 years of tax records on Obama or any other Democratic candidate like Hillary Rodham Clinton and Slick Willy, the serial womanizer. By the way, as long as we are auditing the Stimulus Funds, let’s audit the Fed as well. I want to see what their nefarious money printing schemes and exchanges with the Treasury Dept looks like. That is a house of cards as well.
Agent – I don’t think you’ve ever asked for the birth certificate of any Republican candidate either. What’s your point?
FFA, Gruber really put one over on the American People, didn’t he? College professors taught Stan the Progressive way and he sticks to it no matter what. We could really do without liberal college professors who ruin the minds of young people.
Right, Agent, nothing worse than Professors. Typical apple-cheeked-Texas-goon mentality.
Stan, Texas is by far the most successful state in the union so I am a proud goon. What can you say about your state? Lawyers are at the top of the list for being the worst, professors are not far behind.
Your state’s success is predicated on the price of oil, which in case you havent been paying attention, has cratered. Texas job growth, in turn, has literally evaporated overnight. Probably because there is no real innovation down there, just Earth rape and republicans.
The oil price will hurt some, but it never stays down for long. Texas does have a lot of industry despite what you say and we are a whole lot better off than any Blue State.
California is absolutely booming right now, as are NY and much of the eastern seaboard. Texas is hurting badly because of the drop in oil prices and it blows my mind for you to be so dismissive of your fellow republican morons.
Really, the only city in the State that is weathering the storm is Austin which, SPOILER ALERT, is heavily democratic.
Rosenblatt, that is one link I would take my chances on to click. I can always scan my computer virus protection to get it deleted afterward.
Once again you posted a reply outside the conversation you’re referencing – I have no idea what link you’re talking about since you didn’t reply in-thread. What link??
FYI — You posted this in the conversation that you started with “FFA, Gruber really put one over on the American People, didn’t he?….”
There is no link or reference to any kind of link in this conversation.
The link he asked me to post about Obama’s transcripts…
Are you that stupid Rosenblatt? I can’t help it if IJ doesn’t always have reply buttons below every comment. Libby just answered below. If you care to check it sometime, there may be 10 or more comments with no reply buttons under them.
You are much like Ron. Option1,2,3. Stop it now! I will not open your links unless it is Obama’s transcripts. That will never happen because Obama made sure they would never see the light of day.
BWAHAHAHAH!!!!!”Are you that stupid Rosenblatt? I can’t help it if IJ doesn’t always have reply buttons below every comment.” Me stupid? Y U no learn how to internetz better?
My last post doesn’t have a “reply” button, but here I am, posting in the right thread. How did me-so-stoopid Rosenblatt do that and you still can’t figure it out, Agent – magic?
Dear hypocritical Agent,
You previously told Libby and I you will never open any of our links because you had to scan your computer and delete a virus, but NOW say you WOULD have opened that link if she sent it because you could just scan your computer and delete any virus.
I have a very simple question for you – which option will you choose?
Option 1: You will NOT open any of our links
Option 2: You WILL open our links
Option 3: You will SELECTIVELY decide which links you want to open at will (thereby supporting your trolling efforts of requesting links then refusing to open and read them once they’re posted).
Option 1, 2 or 3? That’s all you need to say in your reply so we know how to frame our discussions going forward.
Make up your mind and be consistent.
Which option fits you?
1, 2 or 3?
What about all of the promises that were made to get this passed? B.O. repeatedly said the Affordable Care Act would save the average family $2,500 a year. My premiums went up a lot this year. Thanks B.O.
Fortunately Bush’s energy polices have allowed for the development of our own natural resources over time and pushed the price of gas down to offset some of the increased costs passed through to average families because of the Affordable Care Act.
Hey Me, Texas gas keeps the Eastern seaboard warm in the winter via the extensive evil pipelines that have been there for many years. Now, if we can only get Keystone approved, create some jobs and increase our ability to rid ourselves from Shiek’s oil, we will be much better off. By the way, I heard an interview with Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), who is leading a movement among his Democratic colleagues to vote for Keystone and override the President’s veto. I wish him well.
YEA!!!
Hey FFA, both the House & Senate passed the renewal of the TRIA today. Looks like they mean business on fast action. It may be harder to get Keystone done since the Commie Bernie Sanders is going to filibuster. McConnell offered to let some amendments through on both sides, but Commie Sanders is not having any of that.
You mean SOMTHING got done? HMMMM.
Keystone needs to get done just for the pure sake of getting people back to work. If its not running through IL (I don’t know why it would), wont help here. I am sure IL would figure some way to tax it. No wait, we have a rep gov now.
Or are you just teasing???
Agent,
“McConnell offered to let some amendments through on both sides”. I thought things would be different under Republican leadership. Here we go again.
FFA,
It was reaaly nothing. All but 9 (7 being Republicans) of the 535 in Congress voted for it. It would have gotten last year if not for a retiring Republican Senator. Let’s not get too excited.
For the Keystone Pipeline, projections are for 2,500 – 6,000 temporary construction jobs over 2-years, then 35 permanent jobs. While that is good for those few, is it really going to have the significant impact on employment overall?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2013/05/10/pipe-dreams-how-many-jobs-will-be-created-by-keystone-xl/
Ron, 35 people off the unemployment line permanently, I’ll take it. Its better then none.
For what trade off, FFA. You’re comment was very short-sighted.
Safer Distribution, More efficient Distribution. Over 2000 people being able to provide for their own for the next 2 -3 years paying taxes contributing to society. 35 (that estimate sounds low to me as there has to be maintenance people) permanently employed tax payers.
That’s a cost I can love with
Ron Says ” It was reaaly nothing”.
But we can agree, it was something.
FFA – if you do nothing else, please look at this link.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-ann-demoro/10-reasons-to-oppose-the-_1_b_4791713.html
If you can honestly say 35 jobs is worth it after reading this, I’ll know you can’t be taken seriously.
All due respect Libby, I don’t do links off this site. I learned not to do that from you.
FFA,
As you can see by the votes, it was a slam dunk and would have been passed last year if not for a retiring Republican senator.
I am not giving this Congress any credit for this. When they start getting real legislation passed, especially if it cuts spending, that will help the country, and has a chance of getting President Obama’s signature, then I will start believing that there are willing and able to govern. In other words, STOP WASTING TIME TRYING TO GET THE PPACA REPEALED.
The PPACA has to go Ron. Real World experience – until you engage fully in it, you just don’t know. I spent yet another hour on the phone with them folks after hours because the screwed up yet another application. My client had to pay out of pocket.
Affordable my a$#. Sold on lies and deceit by a Chicago Politician. A Tax Dodger himself.
This is the dumbest thing since Dumb & Dumber 2 was released. Shoving Millions of people to a single Web Site just before the holidays Dumb, dumb and dumber. Causing people to lose their coverage, dramatically increasing the out of pocket medical expense, taxes gong up to cover the cost. How much has the Web Site alone cost you personally? How much has your premium gone up? How much has you Out of Pocket gone up?
Affordable my a@#.
FFA,
I agree with you that the PPACA must go. I have stated many times that I am against the law.
My point is that, in the current political environment, it is not going anywhere and any attempts by Republicans to repeal it now is only a waste of time and taxpayer money.
Do you understand what I am saying?
Well, if you won’t read my link, google it yourself. Don’t be lazy and apathetic. You need to research the Keystone Pipeline before you just blindly endorse it. There’s a reason so many people are against it.
FFA: All due respect Libby, I don’t do links off this site. I learned not to do that from you.
All due respect FFA, instead of saying you won’t click links, why don’t you just google the title of the article and read it that way?
I’ll do the google tomorrow. Flying Solo today as cold weather has kept my staff at home today and just don’t have the time. Working on a $100,000 auto (non) renewal. If these folks would hire decent drivers, premium would probably be in the $50,000 range. Seems they cant figure out that Seven foot clearance means don’t drive your 8 foot high vech into the darn awning. Ive had this account for four years and the seem to do that bone head thing 4 times a year on average.
Ron, now I understand what your saying.
I know you have spoken against the PPACA and something just didn’t click. Just ask Stan, I am old.
FFA – How about a P.D. deductible?
I am far from Lazy Libby. I work 8 – 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. My wife disease is progressing so now I am doing the home repairs, cooking dinner half the time, doing between 2 – 4 loads of laundry every other day, home work with all three every day, cleaning the kitchen daily, staying on top of the mess associated with three kids running around daily, getting things buttoned down for the kids baptism as well as their religious education classes set, getting to the shrink weekly, oh and getting to see my parents at least once a week. My day starts at 06:30 and usually don’t see my bed till after 10:00pm.
Lazy, not me. Tired… Absolutely. Frustrated… Beyond belief. Lazy, no.
You’re lazy when it comes to learning, FFA. You blindly support the Keystone Pipeline without even understanding the ramifications it will bring. I give you a link to review 10 bullet points and you won’t look at it. 35 jobs? In exchange for hundreds, if not thousands, of illnesses and deaths? 35 jobs? In exchange for the Koch Brothers making billions selling their oil overseas? No thanks. No Keystone Pipeline for me.
They have to take what ever the E & S carrier is offering because no one else will take it. This is my 3rd non renewal with these folks.
What they need is drivers that understand that they cant just drive into awnings. Maybe they should pay more for better drivers, but it is state funded and we all know how state funded business have gone as of late. My nursing home and hospital is all out of force because the state isn’t paying and medicare is slow pay. No Professional / general/ comp/ D & O / property/ bond. Nothing. Seemingly, they are in shut down mode. When I talked to the director earlier this week, he simply stated, yes, I know. About $10K in revenue lost to my agency. Unless Rauner waves some magical wand, All them people out of work soon.
So, yes I do support anything that will get people working again.
Lets see Libby, I have learned more in the past 24 months them most.
Medicare/ Medicaid systems. Home Foreclosure (both my parents house including the one I grew up in) The PPACA System twice. Diabetes. Degenerative Disc Disease. Fibromyalgia. ADA standards, Parkinson’s Disease. Stenosis. TIA’s. Strokes. Child custody issues. Alcoholism (not me). Elder abuse law.
I spend what little time researching things that directly touch my life. Keystone Pipe line will not.
When I do have free time, I like to spend it with my wife.
That’s all fine and good, but maybe you should hold back an opinion on something until you know more about it. That’s all. Just sayin.
Libby, there are jobs at stake. I will support anything that creates employment. I will support what ever to bring our jobs back home.
I am sure there are Environmental issues that need to be addressed. So let the environmental engineers address them and get people working.
Nothing you nor I say will ever sway them jack asses in DC so our opinions just don’t count.
Well, FFA, I have to say that is the dumbest thing you have ever posted on here. To say you’re all for creating 35 jobs and risking thousands of people’s lives is ludicrous. Let’s just drop this topic. You’re starting to make me angry.
Did you miss where I agreed that the environmental issues need to addressed?
Besides, I am sure I have said dumber things. Ask Stan.
But the environmental issues AREN’t being addressed. If they were, no-one would have a problem with it!
FFA, I find I like you a little bit more the more time I spend on here. That being said, your politics are the dumb part but you do seem like a pretty good guy just trying to make it work.
Agent on the other hand . . . wow what a dipshit! lol
FFA – Sorry to hear about your troubles. Obviously I hope everything works out as best as possible. Thought you were implying you wouldn’t be bothered to check it out, rather than just not having time at that moment to read that piece.
I forgot Rheumatoid Arthritis.
Sum total of my research, they all suck. PPACA don’t make things easier either. Even the Gold Plan sucks.
FFA, Keystone is about as bipartisan as it gets and 68% of the American people want it. Even the unions in the north want it so they can put people to work on it. Obama is still playing to his base, the idiot environmentalists, even after about 10 years of studying it and getting approval from the states it will go through. I suppose these idiots would like it better to send oil south by Buffet’s trains. One good derailment would spill several thousand barrels of crude onto the land and water. Pipelines are 10 times safer and cheaper as well.
All sarcasm aside, it should be done as it will create jobs. If they are in fact safer, one would think the tree huggers would want that.
Maybe we can get something done regarding the mass exporting of jobs that has taken place.?.?!
I had to laugh last year that the pipeline running from Cushing, Ok down through Texas to the Gulf Coast was being constructed and one famous tree hugger, the actress Daryl Hannah and one of her tree hugging friends tried to block it and tried to lie down in front of the route. All they got for their trouble was a trip to jail to cool their heels. They let her out and she was on the next plane to LA. Haven’t seen her since. Has she made a movie since Kill Bill 2?
Daryl Hannah has 30 acting credits since Kill Bill 2
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000435/
Really, what has she starred in for the past 5 years?
Click the link and find out, dummy.
Real Agent – what the h3ll does Daryl Hannah have to do with this discussion?
You want to know what movies she’s been in? Go to IMDB.com if you don’t want to click links.
It’s annoying when you ask off-topic questions when all you have to do is type the same sh1t into google and get the answer yourself.
FFA, I have never seen a report that the Alaskan pipeline that has supplied millions of barrels of oil from the north slope to the ports in the south has ever had a spill and that is over far more difficult terrain than Keystone will be built in. By the way, I have seen many estimates that up to 40,000 construction jobs would be created and about 2,000 permanent jobs for maintenance. After all, it will go through several states.
There was a broken pipe line in MI a few years back that was repaired quickly. That’s the only one in my recent memory that had an issue.
I would agree that the Employment numbers are extremely low. When they cut the pipe line through IL out in DeKalb, there were plenty of Construction workers from many different trades working – mostly Machine Operators. The amount of money the injected into the local economy was a nice boost in business for the local merchants.
Besides, the train cars – recent news reports – are in a state of dis repair and will take big bucks to get them to current standards.
“Since 1990, more than 110 million gallons of mostly crude and petroleum products have spilled from the nation’s mainland pipeline network. More than half of it occurred in three states — Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana — where more pipelines exist.”
“Contrary to the myth, Keystone would contribute little to U.S. energy independence. The oil is headed to Texas ports for a reason — to be shipped overseas.”
“From the ground to the pipe to the refineries, Keystone’s tar sands oil, with its thick, dirty, corrosive properties, pose a far greater hazard than conventional oil — a major reason for National Nurses United and nurse opposition.”
“Mounds of Petcoke, the carbon residue of tar sands refining, piled up for export for burning, have produced toxic dust storms that have left area residents gasping near Detroit, Chicago, and other locales.”
“Toxic contaminants in the massive water needed for extraction are infecting clean water supplies with towns nearby Alberta experiencing spikes in cancer deaths, renal failure, lupus, and hyperthyroidism. Huge pipeline spills near Marshall, Mi. and Mayflower, Ar. have led to respiratory ailments and other health ills. Pollutants from tar sands refineries are linked to heart and lung disease, asthma, and cancer.”
“The more people learn about the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, the less they like it,” says actor/environmentalist Redford. “Tar sands crude means a dirtier, more dangerous future for our children all so that the oil industry can reach the higher prices of overseas markets. This dirty energy project is all risk and no reward for the American people.”
Are 35 jobs worth hundreds of illnesses and deaths?
FFA, following is a good quote of the day for you to take your mind off the diatribe posted by the libs on this site.
“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian”. Henry Ford
That’s right, Agent. Downthumb FACTS. Real bright of you, ignoramous.
Agent,
You said, ” By the way, I have seen many estimates that up to 40,000 construction jobs would be created and about 2,000 permanent jobs for maintenance. After all, it will go through several states.”
Provide your source.
Mine is here. Not exactly a leftist or government site.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2013/05/10/pipe-dreams-how-many-jobs-will-be-created-by-keystone-xl/
Agent: “I have seen many estimates that up to 40,000 construction jobs would be created and about 2,000 permanent jobs for maintenance”
Agent – I’ve had enough of your “I have read this” or “I have seen that” nonsense. Prove it. What’s your source?
You know I’ll click your links if you actually post it too!
“Since 1990, more than 110 million gallons of mostly crude and petroleum products have spilled from the nation’s mainland pipeline network. More than half of it occurred in three states — Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana — where more pipelines exist.”
Put that in your pipeline and smoke it.
FFA, it is hard to get a word in edgewise with the diatribe from Libby and others with no reply buttons. Per Google, Transcontinental the contractor and the State Dept both agreed that 42,100 jobs would be created building the pipeline. Surely Libby would believe the State Dept since that is the government talking. So the permanent jobs will be less. I have to believe it is more than 35. This pipeline will stretch 1,100+ miles. By the way, I think the Alaska Pipeline has done the country a lot of good over the years.
“it is hard to get a word in edgewise with the diatribe from Libby and others with no reply buttons.”
I suggest you learn how to internetz better. You’re the only one on here who can’t properly post replies in the correct thread. Maybe it’s not IJ’s fault as you’re the only one who can’t figure out what to do?
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/01/07/obama-speech-on-paris-shooting-n1939826
the prophet liked little boys and goats!
Jack, Slick Willy likes underage girls. Did you read the latest scandal with his buddy Epstein, the convicted child molestor on the carribean island?
The latest made-up shit by the Republican party. You guys really are pathetic!
Yes Libby, we are all part of the vast right wing conspiracy as Hillary described us. Oops! Where did that blue dress come from with the President’s DNA all over it? Where did the Impeachment come from for lying to a Federal Grand Jury? You were lucky Harry Reid blocked the trial in the Senate.
Yes, you are, Agent. I’m glad you’ve finally admitted it. And the impeachment had nothing to do with underage girls, dufus. Try to stay on point.
No Libby, the impeachment was not about underage girls having sex with the President. It was about lying to a Federal Grand Jury about his affair with a young intern. The current events on underage girls will be brought out further as more investigation is done. The last time I checked, sex with underage girls was called Statutory Rape. All they need is to go into Epstein’s computer and also perhaps some tapes were made. Wouldn’t that be something?
Oh, you’re licking your perverted chops over that, aren’t you Agent? The “blue dress” impeachment was ridiculous. Whether Clinton had sex with an intern or 20, what business is it of ours? Ike had a 50 year affair on Mamie. So what? Did any of that affect the job they did? No.
Even FoxNews doesn’t connect Clinton to having sex with underage girls, only being Epstein’s friend and breaking the friendship once he learned of his activities.
Read it and weep and then shut the hell up about it. Yes. I said it. Shut up. You’re spreading lies and I won’t stand for it.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/07/catnip-for-media-bill-clinton-tangential-tie-to-appalling-sex-scandal/
libby- you are too stupid to get the fact its not about Clinton getting a blow job from another young retarded democrat. It’s about him lying under oath to a federal grand jury. But then again, democrats don’t care about the truth in anything. “Your health premium are going down $2500 a year.”
The fact that he was asked whether he got a blowjob from a young, retarded, Democrat or not is none of anyone’s business, let alone the Federal Grand Jury. And knowing men the way I do, they all LIE about that. I didn’t do it. It wasn’t me. I wasn’t there. Deny, deny, deny and lie, lie, lie. So what? He lied about a BJ. But thanks for “blowing” that molehill all the way into a mountain. You might want to apply for a job as a White House intern yourself.
Libby, doesn’t it disappoint you in the least that Slick Willy hasn’t kept his pants zipped for 40 years? Why are you still standing by your man for being a serial pervert? Wasn’t all his escapades in Arkansas and later the White House enough to give you pause? Tell me, if you were his unlucky wife, would you have looked the other way or would you have kicked his sorry butt out?
I don’t know what I would have done, Agent. But he’s not my husband or my boyfriend, so the fact he hasn’t kept in his pants doesn’t bother me in the least. Why does it throw you into such a dither? Jealous you can’t get the ladies like he can?
Ever watch The Good Wife?
No. But I imagine the wife of the POTUS or another very powerful and influential man would think long and hard before booting them out the door. There is also the matter of love. My first husband cheated on me once and I forgave him. It’s possible to do.
I just cant forgive that. Once the trust is broken, for me, its beyond repair.
Lying too. Once I have been lied to, I just cat believe anything that person says. I don’t get the lying… Its easier to remember the truth.
Many time people lie because they are ashamed. I can forgive almost anything – ONCE. Don’t do it again or you’ll see hell like you can’t even imagine.
Libby, in your troubled and confused brain, did it ever occur to you that the POTUS or any other prominent politician could be blackmailed and possibly compromised with State secrets over sex issues. It has happened before. Look up the Profumo affair in Britain some time.
” I can forgive almost anything – ONCE. Don’t do it again”
OBama repeats the same lie numerous times in all news outlets and you still support this guy.
If speaking in favor of Job Creation is the dumbest thing I have ever said, I must be a genius…
I got the lady I wanted a long time ago and have never strayed. We take our marriage vows seriously. You should be outraged that Slick Willy was a serial pervert and liar. Do you not know right from wrong? I wish Hillary had been a Lorena Bobbit and he wouldn’t have been straying anymore.
Agent, I hope your old lady doesnt spend much time on the IJ. She’s going to be embarrassed with the way that you handle yourself on here. Being old isnt an excuse on the home-front.
No way is she as understanding as Libby and I are of your continued dipshittery.
Stan, Agent wife and my wife have many of the same health issues. I can understand his dis like for the PPACA.
Hope you never experience any of them.
Fair enough. If anything, I wish you all had universal healthcare so you could get the treatments you need without respect to ability to pay.
If Universal Health Care is anything like Medicare / Medicaid, I am DEAD SET AGAINST IT. The PPACA is a better option. The best option would have been to not shove this pile of crap down our throats.
This is personal experience of which I have had way too much of over the past 2 – 3 years.
Stan, you are an embarrassment for the Millenial generation of entitlements and bad behavior. Libby doesn’t have any excuses, she is just old and nasty and part of the low information voter crowd.
LOL! Looking in the mirror, Agent?
I told FFA I hoped he could get the care he needed and I am an embarrassment? Youre such a loser, Agent.
Of course you’ve never strayed! Who’d take a second look at you besides her? She’s got to be deaf and blind or the stupidest woman on earth!
Good comment Libby. You remain the champion of nasty behavior. I can certainly see why your husband cheated on you.
I knew you’d throw that in my face. It’s the reason I posted it. Classy, Agent.
And his cheating says more about his character than it does about mine. Your comment, though, is a dead giveaway of your lack thereof.
Stan, you need to sign up for the first two years of free Community College education that Obama wants to put in at a cost of $60 Billion to the taxpayers. We don’t have enough debt piled up yet. Just think, you can get a whole ten years of education on your resume’. Perhaps you can then find a decent job if you major in something employers want.
Believe me, if I could go back to school and have it actually pay off, I would do it. School was the last thing I tried that I excelled at, minus making fun of you on here of course.
Rosenblatt, where are you on those penalties for insulting posts?
Stan, I have met many Professional Students in my life. They stay in school as long as possible because they are afraid to face the realities of the world and get a job to make a living. Often, they pick majors that businesses don’t have a need for. Why didn’t your majors click in the real world? Maybe it is because the state you live in is one of the states not creating opportunity for job creation. Ever think of that?