Farmers should sue her back for entrapment for taking the job at less pay than the males. There’s a lot more that goes into a job and corresponding pay level than just showing up for work for years and calling it more experience.
Well Jack, I do believe there was an interview process involved and an offer made for employment at a certain salary and benefits. If it were too low, the woman didn’t have to accept. Apply at another company and see if she could do better. If she were unhappy at her job, she can always get a headhunter to try to find another job.
Yo, Agent, who knew you were so enlightened as to post the salaries of all employees in your agency so that prospective employees could evaluate the fairness of the offer.
As evidenced by the GOP mistakenly telling the truth in a fit of stupidity, Benghazi is nothing more than a Hillary witch hunt.
4 lives were lost — but those 4 lives were also lost in the sick game of politics you have played. Shame on the GOP.
October 20, 2015 at 10:22 am
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Celtica, speaking of stupidity in Democratic politics, emails have now surfaced from Ambassador Stevens who was requesting increased security for months prior to the attack and it fell on deaf ears from your Secretary of State and her assistant Patrick Kennedy (Kennedy clan?). She got these people killed, not the GOP. Then they tried the lame theory of the video maker. This attack was planned long in advance.
You should be ashamed of Hilliary and her minions. She is going down as the worst Secretary of State in the history of the country and I hope Gowdy reveals everything she did and that knocks her out of the race.
October 20, 2015 at 10:42 am
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Dear Agent: Thank God for Trump! He is now bringing home the point that everyone, especially in the GOP, seems to have forgotten. Bush II did not keep us safe on 9-11. 3,000+ died as a result of Bush II ignoring a memo dated 8-6-01 that Bin Laden intended to strike inside the U.S.
So — when you mention the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi, be sure to also think of the 3,000+ humans who died on 9-11. As for Trent Gowdy, the 7th — and final hearing — on Benghazi is blowing up in his face. Look for Hillary to finish him off — and end this ridiculous waste of public money.
Just learn to say Madame President.
October 16, 2015 at 1:44 pm
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Jack, that has got to be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read. Get a clue, man.
Thank you DR, I strive to be #1! Sometimes I even resort to sarcasm.
As a consumer, we all try to get the best product at the best price. As a seller of products, we try to get the best price for our product. After some negotiating, a deal gets reached. No one is forcing the sale or purchase of a product.
As a job seeker, we all try to get the best job for us at the best salary. As an employer, we try to hire the best possible employee at the best price. After some negotiating, a deal gets reached. No one is forcing the employer to hire a certain person, and no one is forcing the job seeker to take a certain job.
If the consumer doesn’t like the product, they can usually return it. If the product has a shelf life and they find a better deal, next time they may go elsewhere. So, if the consumer buys 9 oranges for $6 and 5 days later another store is selling them at 9 oranges for $5, they don’t sue the store, they take their business elsewhere if they decide to.
If the employee doesn’t like the job, they can always quit or go to another employer. I don’t get why they should be allowed to start a lawsuit. If you look hard enough, you can find all kinds of pay anomalies.
If she thinks her job is paying unfairly, quit and go find one that pays to your liking.
Jack, good one. As business owners, we have all made employment decisions on whether to hire someone or fire someone. It is often a difficult decision. We give an employee every chance to succeed, but sometimes it just does not pan out for one reason or another. A stable work force is a blessing and we have been blessed with good, long term employees who have done well for themselves and the owners.
Jack, did you know that if Trump wins the election, it will be the first time that a billionaire has moved into public housing replacing a black family?
it took me a long time to learn, but eventually I got divorced from Farmers and started a new life as an independent agent. during that long relationship I learned that they will do almost anything for a buck. I have no doubt there are merits to this claim.
Steve, FFA did the same thing and got a business divorce from Farmers. In our area, they are the pits as agents, poorly trained and sell a lot of minimum limits Auto and their HO is improperly valued and ACV valuation.
This is just more garbage that is destroying the country. did somebody put a gun to the head of these women when they were hired? No Did they accept the fee assigned? Yes. their rate of pay could be and probably is a reflection of their position in the law firms. If a carrier can reduce defense costs by using this methodology should they not do so?
But I get it they are female and entitled just like in law school. The two most dangerous things in America today is to be inside one of these Jezebel’s womb and to be born a man. Any questions?
By the way legal profession let;s institute this. each file worked and each minute worked has the license number of each attorney attached and reporetd to state and to the employer. Boy would that redcue law defense cost immensely.
Per Bill Ford: “But I get it they are female and entitled just like in law school. The two most dangerous things in America today is to be inside one of these Jezebel’s womb and to be born a man. Any questions?”
No questions, other than an observation that you and radical Muslims have a lot in common when it comes to your view of women — and apparently male babies who are born American. One would think that you now support abortion for these unfortunate male babies of “entitled” American women.
Will Hillary Clinton be allowed to sue the USA and its democrat voters when she doesn’t the democrat nomination? We’ve never had a woman President, so based on this logic from this story, she should be allowed to bring a suit.
Jack, did she sue in 2008 when she was not the nominee? No. So by anyone’s stretch of the imagination, presumably including yours, this is not a likely outcome.
I should also point out that you were all so intent on derailing Hillary in 2008 then you never saw Obama coming to walk through the door of the White House.
Celtica, you should buy the book – Unlikeable – The problem with Hillary by the NY Times best selling author Edward Klein. It might open your eyes about your heroine Hilliary, then again perhaps not because your eyes will not be opened and you think anyone opposed to her is part of a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”.
Celtica, how did that “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” theory work out the last time for Hilliary? Oops! The blue dress showed up at an inconvenient time.
October 20, 2015 at 12:10 pm
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Agent, that blue dress was very inconvenient, to be sure, for the Clintons But not as inconvenient as 9-11 was for the America and the world.
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Hey Celtica, while we are on the pay issue, did you know that your Heroine Hilliary pays her female staffers 38% less than their male counterparts? Farmer’s pay seems fair by comparison.
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agent – you think anyone opposed to your points of view are part of a “progressive socialist communist conspiracy”. i don’t see a difference between what you claim celtica does and how you post on this site.
Confused, I do know right from wrong and right vs left. Perhaps you should listen to what Hilliary & Bernie are saying in their campaign. They are as leftist as it gets. Surely, you don’t really think they espouse the right vision for the country. Haven’t you had enough of that the past 7 years?
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agent – unlike you, i have never told anyone they didn’t know right from wrong and i do not slap labels on people just because they do not agree with me. those are disgusting habits in my opinion. i have already said there is no way i am voting for hillary.
i have no idea what your comment was all about, except to deflect the conversation away from your hypocritical post were you gave celtica grief for something you do all the time.
October 20, 2015 at 12:49 pm
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Celtica, are you going into the Blame Bush mode again? We have had 7 years of that already. By the way, 9/11 was the end result of 8 years of Bill Clinton and his failed policies, having an Intelligence nightmare where all the agencies charged with our defense not communicating with each other. Do you really think Bin Laden would not have attacked if a Democratic President had been in office? Bush had only been in office 8 months at the time. Please name all the successes of Hilliary while Secretary of State. She was easily the worst we have had and on top of that exposed her emails to our enemies. China & Russia knows everything now with her re-set button. Obama has stated he would be more flexible in his second term. That is true since Putin is running rough shod over America at every opportunity. We have gone from weak to weaker with every passing week.
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Agent, 9-11 is the direct result of the Bush’s inaction on the advance warning that Bin Laden intended to strike inside the U.S. Yeah, the same Bin Laden that Bush never seriously tracked before or after 9-11.
Just go ask your presumed GOP nominee Trump whose watch 9-11 happened on. Yep, Bush and the GOP own 9-11.
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I wonder how many women attorneys they will be hiring going forward?
Well Celtica, Bush at least didn’t bomb any empty training camps or aspirin factories like your hero Clinton did. He was responsible for the first World Trade Center bombings, the two embassies in Africa, the Kobar Towers in Saudia Arabia bombing and the USS Cole terrorist attack. Clinton had 8 years to get Bin Laden and didn’t do it. He had the same intelligence that Bush inherited and it was almost non-existent.
i’m confused agent. you said that clinton had the same intelligence that Bush inherited. does that mean clinton got the august 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief titled ‘Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US’ too?
I posted this on the original article linked to this one, but seeing as how there are so many comments bashing this woman and implying that it’s her own fault for not making as much as her counterparts, I thought I’d post it again:
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Reading through the complaint, it looks like there are at least two male attorneys who were hired after her and with far less experience that were making either more than or just under what she was making.
In 2010, she was a contract attorney w/Farmers, making $85,200
In 2011, she was hired full-time, with a salary of $90,00
In 2014, she was making $99,634.08
Male attorney, licensed 3 years with no insurance defense experience:
– Hired in 2012, making $85,000
– When he left left Farmers (2014?,) he was making $102,000
Male attorney, licensed 9 years with criminal, but no insurance defense experience:
– Hired in 2012, making $85,000
– In 2014, making $92,000
Based off the complaint, I can’t tell how long the attorney that she was making 50% less than, was with Farmers. If he’d been with them for 20+ years, his $150k-$200k doesn’t seem that far off, regardless of the fact that he passed the bar a year after her.
However, the two men who started after her and with so much less experience shouldn’t have been that close to her in salary. Especially since another female attorney who was licensed in 2009 and hired in 2010 (before any of them) was only making $68k.
Dear BS — nice find! I wonder if the men had families? Maybe that would account for the higher salary. Just kidding. Love that new commercial with Flo from Progressive — WHERE IS YOUR HUSBAND???
Thank you for the breath of fresh air. I appreciate you providing concrete facts and not woman hating washed up responses like Agent does. As a woman working in the insurance industry I see first hand the sexist environment and unlawful decisions of employers to not pay based on merit but rather gender. If Agent is to concerned about woman stepping in and demanding equality then clearly he does not expect to measure up..
Farmers has far more issues than this within their corporate structure, they invite lawsuits at just about every level yet still seem to survive. Perhaps it has something to do with their annual rate adjustments based on so called increase in claims frequency.
I TOTALLY AGREE. WOMEN ARE JUST STUPID. WE WANT EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK. WHEN WE DISCOVER OUR MALE COUNTER PARTS EARNING MORE IN THIER FIRST YEAR WHILE WE ARE IN OUR NINTH YEAR WE BECOME UNREASONABLE, EMOTIONAL AND UNSTABLE. WHEN WE GO TO THE PARTNERS (ALL MALE) WE ALWAYS PLAY THE “WHY ME!” CARD. AND WE CRY. YES THAT USUALLY WORKS! SHORTLY AFTER THAT WE CAN COUNT ON MORE WORK, MORE CRITICISM AND MORE RIDICULE SO THAT IF WE ARE NOT FIRED WE QUIT. ITS WHAT YOU REFER TO AS A STABLE WORK FORCE.
JUST UPPITY, HOW DARE WE. AS I SAID WE ARE VERY STUPID. WE TAKE JOBS SO WE CAN PAY OUR MORTGAGES, SUPPORT OUR FAMILIES, AND JUST LIVE. SO WHY WOULD A WOMAN TAKE A JOB LIKE THAT? GOT ME..MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK AT INTERVIEWS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE MAKES AND THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS. OH RIGHT, YOU CANT DO THAT…. AND WOULD IT REALLY MATTER ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING THE SAME THING DOWN THE STREET. OBVIOUSLY, HOWEVER THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO ANYONE IN YOUR “STABLE WORK FORCE. ”
AND WHEN WE DO FIND OUT ABOUT INEQUITIES, REPORT THEM, AND ARE TOLD “ITS FINE” WE SHOULD JUST QUIT!!! YES THAT WILL TEACH THEM!!!! LIKE IT DID IT THE 1990’S, THE 2000’S AND NOW. MAYBE THEY ARE JUST SLOW LEARNERS? BUT, OF COURSE THAT COULD NOT BE THE ANSWER, THE BOARD IS MADE UP OF ALL MEN.
AS FOR WHETHER FARMERS WILL HIRE ANY MORE WOMEN. OF COURSE THEY WILL!!! WHY NOT WHEN THEY CAN PAY LESS, UNLOAD WORK, AND GET AWAY WITH IT…LIKE IN THE 1990’S, THE 2000’S AND NOW. AGAIN MAYBE THEY ARE JUST SLOW LEARNERS?
THIS ISNT THEIR FIRST RODEO, ITS SIMPLY THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
Daisy, All caps means you are screaming. There is no need for that on this forum. I can’t help it if you are unhappy with your life situation and job. Everyone has a different story and big companies often do the wrong things and make bad decisions on employment. It is much better in the Independent Agency business and my female staff do not complain about their pay, benefits, work experiences. I am sure glad I don’t have a Celtica to deal with every day of the week.
Thank you for schooling me on appropriate posting etiquette. Are you really concerned with uppercase posts after the very nasty and obtuse comments noted above. Deflect…deflect… But you are right. Not only are we stupid but any female who voices objection MUST (yes uppercase) be unhappy with ours jobs and ‘life situation” deflect… Deflect…that surely explains it. We are just bitter shrews.. And we cry.
After reading these posts I am embarrassed for the insurance industry. The good news though is that it certainly explains a lot. Your posts seem to mirror the beliefs of Farmers Insurance. No trial brief needed just cut and paste these comments. The plaintiffs rest…
BTW agent… How many agents in your independent agency? Oh and thank you for supplying the opinions of your female staff. I’m sure they appreciate your expressing their opinions.
Rat company.
Farmers should sue her back for entrapment for taking the job at less pay than the males. There’s a lot more that goes into a job and corresponding pay level than just showing up for work for years and calling it more experience.
Well Jack, I do believe there was an interview process involved and an offer made for employment at a certain salary and benefits. If it were too low, the woman didn’t have to accept. Apply at another company and see if she could do better. If she were unhappy at her job, she can always get a headhunter to try to find another job.
Yo, Agent, who knew you were so enlightened as to post the salaries of all employees in your agency so that prospective employees could evaluate the fairness of the offer.
Jack, she sounds like a Hilliary feminist who wants to bring any male owned business down.
Yeah, that’s it. How very clever of you to figure that out all by yourself. As for taking down any males, can’t wait for the Clinton – Trump debates!
Celtica, do you think they will let Hilliary debate in hand cuffs?
As evidenced by the GOP mistakenly telling the truth in a fit of stupidity, Benghazi is nothing more than a Hillary witch hunt.
4 lives were lost — but those 4 lives were also lost in the sick game of politics you have played. Shame on the GOP.
Celtica, speaking of stupidity in Democratic politics, emails have now surfaced from Ambassador Stevens who was requesting increased security for months prior to the attack and it fell on deaf ears from your Secretary of State and her assistant Patrick Kennedy (Kennedy clan?). She got these people killed, not the GOP. Then they tried the lame theory of the video maker. This attack was planned long in advance.
You should be ashamed of Hilliary and her minions. She is going down as the worst Secretary of State in the history of the country and I hope Gowdy reveals everything she did and that knocks her out of the race.
Dear Agent: Thank God for Trump! He is now bringing home the point that everyone, especially in the GOP, seems to have forgotten. Bush II did not keep us safe on 9-11. 3,000+ died as a result of Bush II ignoring a memo dated 8-6-01 that Bin Laden intended to strike inside the U.S.
So — when you mention the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi, be sure to also think of the 3,000+ humans who died on 9-11. As for Trent Gowdy, the 7th — and final hearing — on Benghazi is blowing up in his face. Look for Hillary to finish him off — and end this ridiculous waste of public money.
Just learn to say Madame President.
Jack, that has got to be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read. Get a clue, man.
Thank you DR, I strive to be #1! Sometimes I even resort to sarcasm.
As a consumer, we all try to get the best product at the best price. As a seller of products, we try to get the best price for our product. After some negotiating, a deal gets reached. No one is forcing the sale or purchase of a product.
As a job seeker, we all try to get the best job for us at the best salary. As an employer, we try to hire the best possible employee at the best price. After some negotiating, a deal gets reached. No one is forcing the employer to hire a certain person, and no one is forcing the job seeker to take a certain job.
If the consumer doesn’t like the product, they can usually return it. If the product has a shelf life and they find a better deal, next time they may go elsewhere. So, if the consumer buys 9 oranges for $6 and 5 days later another store is selling them at 9 oranges for $5, they don’t sue the store, they take their business elsewhere if they decide to.
If the employee doesn’t like the job, they can always quit or go to another employer. I don’t get why they should be allowed to start a lawsuit. If you look hard enough, you can find all kinds of pay anomalies.
If she thinks her job is paying unfairly, quit and go find one that pays to your liking.
Jack, good one. As business owners, we have all made employment decisions on whether to hire someone or fire someone. It is often a difficult decision. We give an employee every chance to succeed, but sometimes it just does not pan out for one reason or another. A stable work force is a blessing and we have been blessed with good, long term employees who have done well for themselves and the owners.
Jack, did you know that if Trump wins the election, it will be the first time that a billionaire has moved into public housing replacing a black family?
“Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.”
Or women who were treated differently than their male counterparts.
Comments about what they “should have done” are like fish in water when asked how is the water saying “Water, what water? I don’t see any water.”
it took me a long time to learn, but eventually I got divorced from Farmers and started a new life as an independent agent. during that long relationship I learned that they will do almost anything for a buck. I have no doubt there are merits to this claim.
Steve, FFA did the same thing and got a business divorce from Farmers. In our area, they are the pits as agents, poorly trained and sell a lot of minimum limits Auto and their HO is improperly valued and ACV valuation.
This is just more garbage that is destroying the country. did somebody put a gun to the head of these women when they were hired? No Did they accept the fee assigned? Yes. their rate of pay could be and probably is a reflection of their position in the law firms. If a carrier can reduce defense costs by using this methodology should they not do so?
But I get it they are female and entitled just like in law school. The two most dangerous things in America today is to be inside one of these Jezebel’s womb and to be born a man. Any questions?
By the way legal profession let;s institute this. each file worked and each minute worked has the license number of each attorney attached and reporetd to state and to the employer. Boy would that redcue law defense cost immensely.
Per Bill Ford: “But I get it they are female and entitled just like in law school. The two most dangerous things in America today is to be inside one of these Jezebel’s womb and to be born a man. Any questions?”
No questions, other than an observation that you and radical Muslims have a lot in common when it comes to your view of women — and apparently male babies who are born American. One would think that you now support abortion for these unfortunate male babies of “entitled” American women.
Will Hillary Clinton be allowed to sue the USA and its democrat voters when she doesn’t the democrat nomination? We’ve never had a woman President, so based on this logic from this story, she should be allowed to bring a suit.
Jack, did she sue in 2008 when she was not the nominee? No. So by anyone’s stretch of the imagination, presumably including yours, this is not a likely outcome.
I should also point out that you were all so intent on derailing Hillary in 2008 then you never saw Obama coming to walk through the door of the White House.
And here you are, doing it all over again.
Celtica, you should buy the book – Unlikeable – The problem with Hillary by the NY Times best selling author Edward Klein. It might open your eyes about your heroine Hilliary, then again perhaps not because your eyes will not be opened and you think anyone opposed to her is part of a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”.
I should buy a book called “Unlikeable” – ??? It already provides its own book review: unlikeable. Sheesh.
But I am amused by Edward Klein’s efforts to fleece the GOP for offering up red meat for his readers on the vast right wing.
Celtica, how did that “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” theory work out the last time for Hilliary? Oops! The blue dress showed up at an inconvenient time.
Agent, that blue dress was very inconvenient, to be sure, for the Clintons But not as inconvenient as 9-11 was for the America and the world.
Hey Celtica, while we are on the pay issue, did you know that your Heroine Hilliary pays her female staffers 38% less than their male counterparts? Farmer’s pay seems fair by comparison.
agent – you think anyone opposed to your points of view are part of a “progressive socialist communist conspiracy”. i don’t see a difference between what you claim celtica does and how you post on this site.
Confused, I do know right from wrong and right vs left. Perhaps you should listen to what Hilliary & Bernie are saying in their campaign. They are as leftist as it gets. Surely, you don’t really think they espouse the right vision for the country. Haven’t you had enough of that the past 7 years?
agent – unlike you, i have never told anyone they didn’t know right from wrong and i do not slap labels on people just because they do not agree with me. those are disgusting habits in my opinion. i have already said there is no way i am voting for hillary.
i have no idea what your comment was all about, except to deflect the conversation away from your hypocritical post were you gave celtica grief for something you do all the time.
Celtica, are you going into the Blame Bush mode again? We have had 7 years of that already. By the way, 9/11 was the end result of 8 years of Bill Clinton and his failed policies, having an Intelligence nightmare where all the agencies charged with our defense not communicating with each other. Do you really think Bin Laden would not have attacked if a Democratic President had been in office? Bush had only been in office 8 months at the time. Please name all the successes of Hilliary while Secretary of State. She was easily the worst we have had and on top of that exposed her emails to our enemies. China & Russia knows everything now with her re-set button. Obama has stated he would be more flexible in his second term. That is true since Putin is running rough shod over America at every opportunity. We have gone from weak to weaker with every passing week.
Agent, 9-11 is the direct result of the Bush’s inaction on the advance warning that Bin Laden intended to strike inside the U.S. Yeah, the same Bin Laden that Bush never seriously tracked before or after 9-11.
Just go ask your presumed GOP nominee Trump whose watch 9-11 happened on. Yep, Bush and the GOP own 9-11.
I wonder how many women attorneys they will be hiring going forward?
Sarah, my guess is that there will not be many women attorneys applying for positions at Farmers. The company may be relieved to see that happening.
Well Celtica, Bush at least didn’t bomb any empty training camps or aspirin factories like your hero Clinton did. He was responsible for the first World Trade Center bombings, the two embassies in Africa, the Kobar Towers in Saudia Arabia bombing and the USS Cole terrorist attack. Clinton had 8 years to get Bin Laden and didn’t do it. He had the same intelligence that Bush inherited and it was almost non-existent.
i’m confused agent. you said that clinton had the same intelligence that Bush inherited. does that mean clinton got the august 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief titled ‘Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US’ too?
I posted this on the original article linked to this one, but seeing as how there are so many comments bashing this woman and implying that it’s her own fault for not making as much as her counterparts, I thought I’d post it again:
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Reading through the complaint, it looks like there are at least two male attorneys who were hired after her and with far less experience that were making either more than or just under what she was making.
In 2010, she was a contract attorney w/Farmers, making $85,200
In 2011, she was hired full-time, with a salary of $90,00
In 2014, she was making $99,634.08
Male attorney, licensed 3 years with no insurance defense experience:
– Hired in 2012, making $85,000
– When he left left Farmers (2014?,) he was making $102,000
Male attorney, licensed 9 years with criminal, but no insurance defense experience:
– Hired in 2012, making $85,000
– In 2014, making $92,000
Based off the complaint, I can’t tell how long the attorney that she was making 50% less than, was with Farmers. If he’d been with them for 20+ years, his $150k-$200k doesn’t seem that far off, regardless of the fact that he passed the bar a year after her.
However, the two men who started after her and with so much less experience shouldn’t have been that close to her in salary. Especially since another female attorney who was licensed in 2009 and hired in 2010 (before any of them) was only making $68k.
Here’s the complaint if you want to see it.
http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/ca/Coatescomplaint.pdf
Dear BS — nice find! I wonder if the men had families? Maybe that would account for the higher salary. Just kidding. Love that new commercial with Flo from Progressive — WHERE IS YOUR HUSBAND???
Thank you for the breath of fresh air. I appreciate you providing concrete facts and not woman hating washed up responses like Agent does. As a woman working in the insurance industry I see first hand the sexist environment and unlawful decisions of employers to not pay based on merit but rather gender. If Agent is to concerned about woman stepping in and demanding equality then clearly he does not expect to measure up..
Farmers has far more issues than this within their corporate structure, they invite lawsuits at just about every level yet still seem to survive. Perhaps it has something to do with their annual rate adjustments based on so called increase in claims frequency.
Bond, frankly I am surprised that Zurich puts up with them.
AGENT,
I TOTALLY AGREE. WOMEN ARE JUST STUPID. WE WANT EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK. WHEN WE DISCOVER OUR MALE COUNTER PARTS EARNING MORE IN THIER FIRST YEAR WHILE WE ARE IN OUR NINTH YEAR WE BECOME UNREASONABLE, EMOTIONAL AND UNSTABLE. WHEN WE GO TO THE PARTNERS (ALL MALE) WE ALWAYS PLAY THE “WHY ME!” CARD. AND WE CRY. YES THAT USUALLY WORKS! SHORTLY AFTER THAT WE CAN COUNT ON MORE WORK, MORE CRITICISM AND MORE RIDICULE SO THAT IF WE ARE NOT FIRED WE QUIT. ITS WHAT YOU REFER TO AS A STABLE WORK FORCE.
JUST UPPITY, HOW DARE WE. AS I SAID WE ARE VERY STUPID. WE TAKE JOBS SO WE CAN PAY OUR MORTGAGES, SUPPORT OUR FAMILIES, AND JUST LIVE. SO WHY WOULD A WOMAN TAKE A JOB LIKE THAT? GOT ME..MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK AT INTERVIEWS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE MAKES AND THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS. OH RIGHT, YOU CANT DO THAT…. AND WOULD IT REALLY MATTER ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING THE SAME THING DOWN THE STREET. OBVIOUSLY, HOWEVER THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO ANYONE IN YOUR “STABLE WORK FORCE. ”
AND WHEN WE DO FIND OUT ABOUT INEQUITIES, REPORT THEM, AND ARE TOLD “ITS FINE” WE SHOULD JUST QUIT!!! YES THAT WILL TEACH THEM!!!! LIKE IT DID IT THE 1990’S, THE 2000’S AND NOW. MAYBE THEY ARE JUST SLOW LEARNERS? BUT, OF COURSE THAT COULD NOT BE THE ANSWER, THE BOARD IS MADE UP OF ALL MEN.
AS FOR WHETHER FARMERS WILL HIRE ANY MORE WOMEN. OF COURSE THEY WILL!!! WHY NOT WHEN THEY CAN PAY LESS, UNLOAD WORK, AND GET AWAY WITH IT…LIKE IN THE 1990’S, THE 2000’S AND NOW. AGAIN MAYBE THEY ARE JUST SLOW LEARNERS?
THIS ISNT THEIR FIRST RODEO, ITS SIMPLY THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
Daisy, All caps means you are screaming. There is no need for that on this forum. I can’t help it if you are unhappy with your life situation and job. Everyone has a different story and big companies often do the wrong things and make bad decisions on employment. It is much better in the Independent Agency business and my female staff do not complain about their pay, benefits, work experiences. I am sure glad I don’t have a Celtica to deal with every day of the week.
Agent
Thank you for schooling me on appropriate posting etiquette. Are you really concerned with uppercase posts after the very nasty and obtuse comments noted above. Deflect…deflect… But you are right. Not only are we stupid but any female who voices objection MUST (yes uppercase) be unhappy with ours jobs and ‘life situation” deflect… Deflect…that surely explains it. We are just bitter shrews.. And we cry.
After reading these posts I am embarrassed for the insurance industry. The good news though is that it certainly explains a lot. Your posts seem to mirror the beliefs of Farmers Insurance. No trial brief needed just cut and paste these comments. The plaintiffs rest…
BTW agent… How many agents in your independent agency? Oh and thank you for supplying the opinions of your female staff. I’m sure they appreciate your expressing their opinions.