“Senate Health Bill in Jeopardy as 3 Republican Senators Pretend to Find Conscience”
Guaranteed they all cave with embarrassing caveats.
The true tale of the tape of this bill is that 15 million will lose coverage within the next 18 months, of which 5 or 6 million will be from those on employer health care plans.
But no worries, lower income people will save an estimated $180 in taxes, so they will definitely have enough for any health care expenditures that come up.
“What’s that, a pain in your chest? Angina? Looks like you don’t have insurance, so just cut a baby aspirin in half and call me in the morning. Don’t forget to pay the nurse on your way out, just $180 is all that’s owed today. You’re welcome.”
This bill does nothing to address out-of-control health expenditures, AND guts Medicaid and Medicare. It’s a one-two punch for low and middle-income families, but at least the rich will get a 2.5% tax cut…
Soooorry, but your talking points are all lies. The CBO is a biased-left organization that doesn’t have the technical skills to make projections they are publishing and have published regarding ACA. The Senators opposing the Senate version of AHCA will not cave because they were elected to repeal the ACA more so than to replace it. The Senate version of AHCA (I heard it was called ‘SAHCA’ for short, but can’t verify thru my sources in DC) is not a true repeal and carries far too many Socialist provisions for true Conservatives and Libertarians to support. For example, were Cruz to cave in, what would happen to his chances of re-election to the Senate, or for a future run for the WH?
But, please show EVERYONE how CBO calculated poor people saving $180 in taxes, and tell EVERYONE what time period is covered by that amount.
Continue to publish your fantasies, socialist talking points and lies. I’ll continue to discredit them. It’s your turn to turn out the lights.
No, but he’ll soon get a job offer from the Liberal Mainstream Media for his ability to fabricate news damaging to TrumPresident.
June 28, 2017 at 5:07 pm
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George Soros himself has extended me the invite.
Unfortunately, he will have to stop paying me for protests and for posting on IJ news articles.
June 28, 2017 at 8:28 pm
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You aren’t good enough in your trolling and purveying fake news and lies to be paid by GS. Get over yourself.
June 27, 2017 at 7:21 pm
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The CBO morphed into a useless government bureaucracy, and whether or not GWB appointed the head matters not.
The CBO scored the ACA well. That’s all we need to know to discredit it permanently.
Further, the CBO score is invalidated by its own admission that the complexity of the economic systems involved in Health Care & Health Insurance can’t be modeled accurately. IOW, it was ‘going through the motions’ when it drew up its fiction about AHCA…. in order to try to justify its continuing existence, and for all employed there to keep their meaningless jobs.
I know people in the Fed govt and they would readily sustain what I just wrote.
TrumPresident should DISBAND the CBO and hire TRULY independent consultants who have expertise in the particular area. We in the insurance industry know of many such insurance consulting firms who could do a much better job of projecting SOME of the stats, ignore the random or overly complex measures, and do it much cheaper and quicker, with unbiased, clear explanations of what they are projecting.
The CBO’s projection of ’22 million losing coverage’ is so misleading and biased that it warrants discarding the entire report on that spin alone. Most of the 22 million will NOT CHOOSE TO BE COVERED AFTER THE MANDATES OF ACA NO LONGER APPLY. That is NOT ‘LOSS’… that is ‘restoration of FREEDOM OF CHOICE previously usurped by a tyrant and his Congressional minions’.
Nobody was forced to take insurance under the ACA. Not sure why that fact is so soundly ignored.
The tyrannical dilemma:
“Can I have coverage?”
“Are you a living breathing human being?”
“Yes”
“Then, yes”
“What if I don’t want it?”
“Then we will remove insurance tax credits, which you will be required to pay on your federal return?”
“But it is my choice?”
“yes, you have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. Our Tyrant-in-Chief is apparently a pretty nice guy”
“Did you say TAXES?!?!? Blarrggghh, Hisss, HAAAAAA!!!!”
etc, etc, etc.
June 28, 2017 at 9:25 am
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The CBO is a discredited lefty group, climate scientists are falsifying studies and data across every country in the euros and the oil companies also did this and inexplicably hid it, BLS is a lefty organization, the independent groups like AMA & AARP are leftt groups. Only Fox News, Breitbart, Alex Jones and Limbaugh are honest.
Are you aware, genius, that biased does not mean not in agreement with you individually?
You decide based on what best fits the narrative that fits your preferences. You don’t want to help others, even if it’s cheaper to do so, therefore anything that goes against that goal is biased in your mind. Why pretend to be taking this seriously or know policy, or have your super-secret, always wrong sources? Just say you don’t agree with helping others and don’t care about costs, at least then you would be closer to honest.
June 28, 2017 at 12:33 pm
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“No one was forced to take insurance under ACA.”
Correct. Citizens who pay taxes had the option to insure or pay a tax penalty and get NO insurance coverage, with escalating tax penalties for non-compliance under the “Shared Responsibility” component of a 1040 return.
SOME people paid a penalty and go nothing in return.
OTHERS opted to pay premiums and got miserable, almost entirely useless insurance coverage with hyuuuuge deductibles.
OTHERS got FREE insurance.
NON-CITIZENS got free coverage.
Now, the RAHCA proposes Illegal Immigrants get nothing, and those who did not WANT coverage despite SOME of them opting to take it rather than take less economically useful options can opt to NOT insure and NOT incur a tax penalty under “Shared Responsibility”.
The lesson Dems will soon learn is that “Shared Responsibility” will take on an altogether different meaning going forward under Republican’s SENSIBLE, Constitutionally correct approach to Health Care and Health Insurance options in the free market and under Medicare and Medicaid. And NO spinning of the legislation proposed by corrupt Grandpa from Vermont or corrupt Squaw from Massachusetts will stop the Will of The People to escape the death spiral of ACA.
June 27, 2017 at 1:15 pm
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Hot debate. What do you think?
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PS: 15 million won’t LOSE coverage, they’ll CHOOSE NO COVERAGE instead of being forced by law to but coverage. I call that freedom from an ACA shakedown.
PS#2: The rich won’t get money from the poor; they’ll just not have to pay a part of their money the Socialists wanted them to pay, to get votes for Socialist/ Communists.
PS#3: millions more won’t die due to Republican actions in Congress. But some people will die due to mortality factors. Democrats / Socialists / Communists cannot guarantee immortality; e.g. see Lenin’s Tomb.
Yogi,
You must be getting dizzy again with all that spinning. Let’s just take your last point. No one is suggesting people are or should live forever. Talk about hyperbole and we all know what you think about people arguing from that point of view. To quote, “you lost the argument.” So, I guess you lose. But, for sake of accuracy, integrity, and honesty, people who depend on certain care and prescriptions they are currently receiving under the PPACA are going to lose that care with this Republican anti-healthcare bill. And, without that care, they’ll just have to hurry up and die, right? Not exactly what your dear leader touted on the campaign trail. He actually was sounding a bit like a socialist, promising care, food rations, clothes, and maybe even jobs to everyone. That’s your guy’s words, not mine. Yyyyyuge, flashy, neon words.
Vlad, these guys sound a lot like the now infamous Alan Grayson from Florida who said the Republican Healthcare would kill people. I wonder how many died under the equally infamous Oblamacare in the past 7 years. I hear it is on life support as we speak.
Nope; no spin. The SAHCA bill will move closer to a free market solution because the vote has been pushed back until AFTER Independence Day, when Senators can reflect on the words FREEDOM, RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES, and TRUTH. That will push them closer to a FREE MARKET solution that carries many if not all of the essential criteria I’ve mentioned several times; i.e. HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS.
The Bill will be signed a few hours before you stop posting here over your embarrassment in your inability to prevent it.
More ‘SPPECIFICCS’ally; it will be signed as soon as a more conservative version is agreed upon.
I’ll write to Congress tomorrow to give them guidance in arriving at the essential elements; i.e. HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS. But I don’t expect all of the essentials to be accepted by the moderates.
“The Bill will be signed a few hours before you stop posting here over your embarrassment in your inability to prevent it.”
What does that even mean?
“I’ll write to Congress tomorrow to give them guidance in arriving at the essential elements; i.e. HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS. But I don’t expect all of the essentials to be accepted by the moderates.” Of course not because the moderates are reasonable, intelligent people.
You really are quite full of yourself and irrationally arrogant.
June 28, 2017 at 12:35 pm
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That means you will hide after it is signed, due to your embarrassment and inability to prevent the Conservative agenda that The People voted for on 11/8/16.
June 28, 2017 at 12:36 pm
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I’m drafting a letter today, but it won’t get mailed until Thursday. On Friday, I’ll be at a Town Hall meeting on the issue, ready to speak out.
June 28, 2017 at 1:01 pm
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I never hide. If I am wrong, I will admit it. The same cannot be said for you, Agent, Bob, President Trump, his administration, or the current batch of Republicans.
If that were true, I would have been hiding since 11/8/2016. Yet, here I am.
June 28, 2017 at 1:08 pm
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“Duuur duuuur duuuur Clinton, lies statement proving no knowledge on health insurance.” – Vlad’s comments at the town hall.
Pretty telling you not only look the other way regarding Russian interference in the election, but embrace it. Disgusting un-American fascist.
June 29, 2017 at 7:39 pm
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@UW; you must be getting tired of losing by now.
1. Gorsuch.
2. SCOTUS upholds foreign travel ban from 6 nations.
3. Russian collusion hoax being exposed and now virtually abandoned by Liberal Mainstream Media.
4. Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants by ICE, House Bill today.
5. Penalty for not insuring no longer enforceable by IRS per EO on DAY ONE.
6. XL pipeline re-started.
7. CNN put in its place, exposed as Fake New purveyor.
and there’s more….
June 30, 2017 at 4:54 pm
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I’m getting a little tired of winning on the Republicans’ side. But, worry not! I’ll rest up over the LONG holiday weekend, when I honor our Forefather’s wisdom in establishing a REPUBLIC and THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE SYSTEM to avoid tyranny by the masses, and be ready to fully enjoy winning again on July 5.
July 1, 2017 at 2:27 pm
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You’re more of a tyranny of the minority and dictator type guy.
June 28, 2017 at 4:49 pm
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@Captain Planet; you make as much sense as Nancy Pelosi Galore does these days and ever did in the past.
I’d like to remind all of his supporters what BLOATUS said back on the campaign trail:
“On the first day of presidency, on my very first day I plan to repeal Obamacare so hard that it’ll make his ancestors in Africa shiver with awe. I mean, I am going to take that piece of legislation and wipe my a** with it. That’s how much I dislike Obamacare and what I think about it. By the way, that’s also how I feel about Ted Cruz, but that’s not the point right now,” Trump said jokingly, causing Stephanopoulos to laugh.
“Seriously though,” the billionaire businessman continued, “that’s what I plan on doing. And then first thing in the morning on day two, I’m going to replace it with a much better service that’s genuinely going to take care of every poor person in the United States. I’m talking daily food rations, clean clothes, a place to spend the night, possibly new jobs, it’s all going to be awesome, it’s going to be utopia. I’m going to make it so good that people are going to want to become homeless just to qualify for Trumpcare. And by the way, that’s what I’m going to call it. A huge, flashy neon sign is going to be placed above the entrance to every Trumpcare facility across the country. I want people to know who made it possible for them to have a better life.”
At least those at CNN connected to the false story admitted what they did and took responsibility. When the right wing media outlets spread fake news, they get promoted to prime time.
What fake news did the RWM spread? That you are really an independent? That you are not a troll? That you know from facts and stats and credible studies that SP HC will prevail?
Remember the mosque attack they pinned on a supposed Morrocan immigrant? Everyone else reported that it was actually a right wing nut job, and they refused to retract until the federal government of Canada demanded they change their story.
No resignations, no mea culpa.
How about the time they reported (made up) multiple FBI indicating that HRC was going to be indicted for emails during the campaign. No resignations, no mea culpa.
Or Hannity’s conspiracy theory nuttery about pizzagate, and DNC murder scandal, etc. No resignations, no mea culpa.
I could go on and on, but you don’t care.
Kudos to CNN for retracting a poorly vetted story. It is unfortunate that they published it in the first place, but Fox News would never do the same.
As I have been saying for years, and a big reason for my defection from the party, Republicans either lack the ability, desire and/or courage to govern.
No. Because they cannot even get their own party to agree. In my opinion, and based on their actions, I have the sense that the Republicans have been putting on a show for their supporters and really do not want to put their names to a replacement. They have expressed the desire to sabotage the PPACA, let it fail, lose their majorities in Congress, then let the Democrats come in to save the day.
So far, I have been proven to be right and you have been proven to be wrong.
If I am proven to be wrong, I will be happy to admit it. Unlike when you, Agent, Bob, and President Trump have been proven to be wrong.
Can’t get their party to OBEY in lockstep like mindless Dems do?
I’m GLAD their are differences in opinion on major issues; it separates the RINOs from the True Conservatives. Note how RINOs are not being re-elected after they are exposed?… a few exceptions being McCain, Kasinich and Graham.
The moderates in the party are holding back progress. Wait until someone with more courage takes them out behind the woodshed for a good stern lecture about helping US citizens receive more freedoms and coverage they CHOOSE themselves.
President Trump tried and failed to take them behind the woodshed.
Where is this great deal maker we were promised?
Where was the repeal of the PPACA on day 1 we were promised?
Where is the replacement on day 2 we were promised?
Where is this great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost?
He told us it would be sooooo easy.
Yes Ron, he is possibly the greatest POS grifter this country has ever seen. And, he drives across greens. Only cares about himself. Always has, always will.
June 28, 2017 at 10:38 am
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Planet, that’s fake news. In reality he’s a big hit and beloved by all. I read about it in an odd looking Time magazine at his golf club which looked suspiciously homemade, but he wouldn’t do that because he’s honest and not insane.
But since a place reported that he used fake magazine covers he came out today in favor of taxing them additionally, which is about as authoritarian and corrupt as you can get. Too bad for him he can’t just grab their genitals and threaten to sue them like with everybody else.
June 28, 2017 at 11:49 am
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I love how someone down-voted your comment.
“Booooooooo! Facts hurt me! booooooooooo!”
Like, seriously, UW, you literally used nothing but facts in your statement, but that is apparently too much for some people to handle.
You voted for the piece of human garbage, support him, warts and all. Don’t shy away because someone brought up how absolutely shameless and terrible he is.
That fake Time cover looks so fake it is ridiculous. How they thought that could pass for a real cover just makes me crack up.
June 28, 2017 at 1:04 pm
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Polar and Agent, 2 downvotes almost immediately on every non-far right post.
June 28, 2017 at 1:21 pm
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Of course he had those fake covers hung at his golf courses. Everything the guy does is dishonest, deceitful, and dumb. How’s that “wealthcare” plan coming along, you freaking DA?
June 28, 2017 at 1:37 pm
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The guy who cries “Fake News” all the time literally hangs fake news at his courses. What a joke! He should go back to TV and kissing women against their will.
June 28, 2017 at 1:39 pm
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Make golf etiquette and Time Magazine covers real again!
June 28, 2017 at 5:56 pm
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He’s an Incompetent, not a deal maker. Look at the Carrier deal the village idiots were here circle jerking over. They just shipped the jobs away, counted jobs they weren’t planning on shipping away, and kept millions of dollars from the government to automate the jobs they sent away. But, he got the permanent PR bump with the idiots so it’s a positive for him and he will probably do it again, and it will work again because all his supporters care about are what they are rules to repeat. They will be told it was great and will treat it as such, regardless of reality.
They will say Obama was bad for jobs, the BS and all other groups with data are liberal and biased, and cheer Trump paying companies to ship away jobs even though he was supposed to be punishing them.
June 30, 2017 at 4:57 pm
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News flash! BOTs are STILL not working on the Insurance Journal website. Libitterals remain in meltdown mode over their inability to censor opposing opinions and are running low on George Soros funding. Tune in for the 11 o’clock news for any updates on this story!
June 28, 2017 at 4:53 pm
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Failed on a major issue after only 5 months in office? Laughing my Ossoff!!!
Remember when your talking point you ended every comment with was “Drain the swamp?” What is it like having such little intellectual power that you can switch at the drop of the hat with no reservations or embarrassment?
June 29, 2017 at 8:54 am
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He’s got nothing, UW, and he knows it. Which is why his tone is that of fear and not confidence. Cheers!
June 30, 2017 at 4:45 pm
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All new has are lies and the email address of person who will delete comments for him if he looks bad, if not a direct view to their desk, if the theory about him working there is true, which I don’t think is the case.
June 30, 2017 at 4:58 pm
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I’m not completely tired of winning. There’s so much winning happening lately that I don’t have time to breathe and tire of it all.
June 29, 2017 at 7:43 pm
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@Ron; your comments about TrumPresident not doing things he said he’d do in a few months is akin to the person who sounds their car horn a split second after the traffic light turns green and the car(s) in front of them haven’t yet cleared the intersection or even accelerated.
“Good things take time” Tell that to candidate Trump, not me. He is trhe one who made the empty promises and his supporters fell for his con.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool a Trump supporter 156 times, FAKE NEWS!!
Keep blindly supporting our president. I prefer to view things objectively.
June 30, 2017 at 8:24 am
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i45 can’t spell or read. When he said “winning”, he was reading his teleprompter. It said, “We gonna whine so much, you might even get tired of whining.” But, because he can’t read, he said winning.
Shipping jobs over borders, demeaning tweets to morning show hosts, constant lying to the American people, stripping away the freedom of the press – this is what makes America great again?
The man is an 11 year old. Small hands, shriveled up cojones, and has to be involved in every fight he’s invited to. Doesn’t even know a high road exists, let alone how to get there and take it. So far, and it’s early, but he’s worse the Dubya. He has no clue how to be presidential. He should just return to TV, coveting his own daughter, and assaulting women. That’s what he does best.
June 30, 2017 at 5:00 pm
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Toot! Toot! CNN is starting a new scandal on TrumPresident over the holiday weekend. Tune in if you’re a Libitteral for all the latest info. Tune in if you’re a Conservative or Moderate to laugh your Ossoff.
June 30, 2017 at 6:05 pm
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Polar,
You seem desperate. Really, pal. You seem as confused, unhinged and sociopathic as your orange Lord. Alex Jones has really dug his claws deep in you, hasn’t he? This is all far, far too poetic to ignore. Comedy or tragedy? Can’t decide.
July 1, 2017 at 7:55 pm
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I think it’s about 50/50 whether Polaron believes in Jones’ latest theory about NASA child sex slaves on Mars. We know it’s a Birther. He probably believed the Comet Pizza story. All pushed by an organization Trump and Polar trust.
July 1, 2017 at 10:50 pm
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You’re being quite generous low-balling it at 50/50.
I would be willing to bet that every single disproven Republican-started conspiracy theory has been believed, supported, and endorsed by him.
The real kicker is, once disproven, he doesn’t disavow those obviously fake notions in his heart. I bet if you ever swam around those firing synapses in his skull, a ton would still connect “Obama” to “Kenya”, “Hillary” to “Butcher of Benghazi”, “Republicans” to “Fiscally Sound”, and “Trump” to “Large-handed, business genius.”
July 3, 2017 at 4:39 pm
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You are probably right. He did confirm very recently he was a Birther.
June 27, 2017 at 7:45 pm
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I’ll just choose to ignore credible reporting and the FBI when it is convenient for my pre-baked assumptions. This is a witch hunt!
LOLZ Agent youre still bashing obamacare?! bro, you have a republican president, republican congress, AND a republican senate and you still cant get anything passed! abhahahahahahah probs bc the republitards dont actually know how to govern –similar to how you dont – – instead they just know how to complain and obstruct.
at least youve still got texas. although that still sucks compared to california.
“Senate Health Bill in Jeopardy as 3 Republican Senators Pretend to Find Conscience”
Guaranteed they all cave with embarrassing caveats.
The true tale of the tape of this bill is that 15 million will lose coverage within the next 18 months, of which 5 or 6 million will be from those on employer health care plans.
But no worries, lower income people will save an estimated $180 in taxes, so they will definitely have enough for any health care expenditures that come up.
“What’s that, a pain in your chest? Angina? Looks like you don’t have insurance, so just cut a baby aspirin in half and call me in the morning. Don’t forget to pay the nurse on your way out, just $180 is all that’s owed today. You’re welcome.”
This bill does nothing to address out-of-control health expenditures, AND guts Medicaid and Medicare. It’s a one-two punch for low and middle-income families, but at least the rich will get a 2.5% tax cut…
Soooorry, but your talking points are all lies. The CBO is a biased-left organization that doesn’t have the technical skills to make projections they are publishing and have published regarding ACA. The Senators opposing the Senate version of AHCA will not cave because they were elected to repeal the ACA more so than to replace it. The Senate version of AHCA (I heard it was called ‘SAHCA’ for short, but can’t verify thru my sources in DC) is not a true repeal and carries far too many Socialist provisions for true Conservatives and Libertarians to support. For example, were Cruz to cave in, what would happen to his chances of re-election to the Senate, or for a future run for the WH?
But, please show EVERYONE how CBO calculated poor people saving $180 in taxes, and tell EVERYONE what time period is covered by that amount.
Continue to publish your fantasies, socialist talking points and lies. I’ll continue to discredit them. It’s your turn to turn out the lights.
Eddie Willers,
The Senate version is actually known from here on out as the CACA bill.
Cruz has no future in the White House, period.
The CBO is a non-partisan group, headed up by a GWB appointee.
Keep parroting those AM radio talking points, though. And watch out you don’t get left out in the desert.
Doug, did you lose your job at CNN for publishing fake news?
No, but he’ll soon get a job offer from the Liberal Mainstream Media for his ability to fabricate news damaging to TrumPresident.
George Soros himself has extended me the invite.
Unfortunately, he will have to stop paying me for protests and for posting on IJ news articles.
You aren’t good enough in your trolling and purveying fake news and lies to be paid by GS. Get over yourself.
The CBO morphed into a useless government bureaucracy, and whether or not GWB appointed the head matters not.
The CBO scored the ACA well. That’s all we need to know to discredit it permanently.
Further, the CBO score is invalidated by its own admission that the complexity of the economic systems involved in Health Care & Health Insurance can’t be modeled accurately. IOW, it was ‘going through the motions’ when it drew up its fiction about AHCA…. in order to try to justify its continuing existence, and for all employed there to keep their meaningless jobs.
I know people in the Fed govt and they would readily sustain what I just wrote.
TrumPresident should DISBAND the CBO and hire TRULY independent consultants who have expertise in the particular area. We in the insurance industry know of many such insurance consulting firms who could do a much better job of projecting SOME of the stats, ignore the random or overly complex measures, and do it much cheaper and quicker, with unbiased, clear explanations of what they are projecting.
The CBO’s projection of ’22 million losing coverage’ is so misleading and biased that it warrants discarding the entire report on that spin alone. Most of the 22 million will NOT CHOOSE TO BE COVERED AFTER THE MANDATES OF ACA NO LONGER APPLY. That is NOT ‘LOSS’… that is ‘restoration of FREEDOM OF CHOICE previously usurped by a tyrant and his Congressional minions’.
Nobody was forced to take insurance under the ACA. Not sure why that fact is so soundly ignored.
The tyrannical dilemma:
“Can I have coverage?”
“Are you a living breathing human being?”
“Yes”
“Then, yes”
“What if I don’t want it?”
“Then we will remove insurance tax credits, which you will be required to pay on your federal return?”
“But it is my choice?”
“yes, you have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. Our Tyrant-in-Chief is apparently a pretty nice guy”
“Did you say TAXES?!?!? Blarrggghh, Hisss, HAAAAAA!!!!”
etc, etc, etc.
The CBO is a discredited lefty group, climate scientists are falsifying studies and data across every country in the euros and the oil companies also did this and inexplicably hid it, BLS is a lefty organization, the independent groups like AMA & AARP are leftt groups. Only Fox News, Breitbart, Alex Jones and Limbaugh are honest.
Are you aware, genius, that biased does not mean not in agreement with you individually?
You decide based on what best fits the narrative that fits your preferences. You don’t want to help others, even if it’s cheaper to do so, therefore anything that goes against that goal is biased in your mind. Why pretend to be taking this seriously or know policy, or have your super-secret, always wrong sources? Just say you don’t agree with helping others and don’t care about costs, at least then you would be closer to honest.
“No one was forced to take insurance under ACA.”
Correct. Citizens who pay taxes had the option to insure or pay a tax penalty and get NO insurance coverage, with escalating tax penalties for non-compliance under the “Shared Responsibility” component of a 1040 return.
SOME people paid a penalty and go nothing in return.
OTHERS opted to pay premiums and got miserable, almost entirely useless insurance coverage with hyuuuuge deductibles.
OTHERS got FREE insurance.
NON-CITIZENS got free coverage.
Now, the RAHCA proposes Illegal Immigrants get nothing, and those who did not WANT coverage despite SOME of them opting to take it rather than take less economically useful options can opt to NOT insure and NOT incur a tax penalty under “Shared Responsibility”.
The lesson Dems will soon learn is that “Shared Responsibility” will take on an altogether different meaning going forward under Republican’s SENSIBLE, Constitutionally correct approach to Health Care and Health Insurance options in the free market and under Medicare and Medicaid. And NO spinning of the legislation proposed by corrupt Grandpa from Vermont or corrupt Squaw from Massachusetts will stop the Will of The People to escape the death spiral of ACA.
PS: 15 million won’t LOSE coverage, they’ll CHOOSE NO COVERAGE instead of being forced by law to but coverage. I call that freedom from an ACA shakedown.
PS#2: The rich won’t get money from the poor; they’ll just not have to pay a part of their money the Socialists wanted them to pay, to get votes for Socialist/ Communists.
PS#3: millions more won’t die due to Republican actions in Congress. But some people will die due to mortality factors. Democrats / Socialists / Communists cannot guarantee immortality; e.g. see Lenin’s Tomb.
Yogi,
You must be getting dizzy again with all that spinning. Let’s just take your last point. No one is suggesting people are or should live forever. Talk about hyperbole and we all know what you think about people arguing from that point of view. To quote, “you lost the argument.” So, I guess you lose. But, for sake of accuracy, integrity, and honesty, people who depend on certain care and prescriptions they are currently receiving under the PPACA are going to lose that care with this Republican anti-healthcare bill. And, without that care, they’ll just have to hurry up and die, right? Not exactly what your dear leader touted on the campaign trail. He actually was sounding a bit like a socialist, promising care, food rations, clothes, and maybe even jobs to everyone. That’s your guy’s words, not mine. Yyyyyuge, flashy, neon words.
Vlad, these guys sound a lot like the now infamous Alan Grayson from Florida who said the Republican Healthcare would kill people. I wonder how many died under the equally infamous Oblamacare in the past 7 years. I hear it is on life support as we speak.
Nope; no spin. The SAHCA bill will move closer to a free market solution because the vote has been pushed back until AFTER Independence Day, when Senators can reflect on the words FREEDOM, RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES, and TRUTH. That will push them closer to a FREE MARKET solution that carries many if not all of the essential criteria I’ve mentioned several times; i.e. HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS.
Since you are so knowledgeable and connected, care to provide the date when the law gets signed?
Of course you won’t. That would take knowledge, connections and courage. None of which you have displayed.
The Bill will be signed a few hours before you stop posting here over your embarrassment in your inability to prevent it.
More ‘SPPECIFICCS’ally; it will be signed as soon as a more conservative version is agreed upon.
I’ll write to Congress tomorrow to give them guidance in arriving at the essential elements; i.e. HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS. But I don’t expect all of the essentials to be accepted by the moderates.
“The Bill will be signed a few hours before you stop posting here over your embarrassment in your inability to prevent it.”
What does that even mean?
“I’ll write to Congress tomorrow to give them guidance in arriving at the essential elements; i.e. HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS. But I don’t expect all of the essentials to be accepted by the moderates.” Of course not because the moderates are reasonable, intelligent people.
You really are quite full of yourself and irrationally arrogant.
That means you will hide after it is signed, due to your embarrassment and inability to prevent the Conservative agenda that The People voted for on 11/8/16.
I’m drafting a letter today, but it won’t get mailed until Thursday. On Friday, I’ll be at a Town Hall meeting on the issue, ready to speak out.
I never hide. If I am wrong, I will admit it. The same cannot be said for you, Agent, Bob, President Trump, his administration, or the current batch of Republicans.
If that were true, I would have been hiding since 11/8/2016. Yet, here I am.
“Duuur duuuur duuuur Clinton, lies statement proving no knowledge on health insurance.” – Vlad’s comments at the town hall.
Pretty telling you not only look the other way regarding Russian interference in the election, but embrace it. Disgusting un-American fascist.
@UW; you must be getting tired of losing by now.
1. Gorsuch.
2. SCOTUS upholds foreign travel ban from 6 nations.
3. Russian collusion hoax being exposed and now virtually abandoned by Liberal Mainstream Media.
4. Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants by ICE, House Bill today.
5. Penalty for not insuring no longer enforceable by IRS per EO on DAY ONE.
6. XL pipeline re-started.
7. CNN put in its place, exposed as Fake New purveyor.
and there’s more….
I’m getting a little tired of winning on the Republicans’ side. But, worry not! I’ll rest up over the LONG holiday weekend, when I honor our Forefather’s wisdom in establishing a REPUBLIC and THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE SYSTEM to avoid tyranny by the masses, and be ready to fully enjoy winning again on July 5.
You’re more of a tyranny of the minority and dictator type guy.
@Captain Planet; you make as much sense as Nancy Pelosi Galore does these days and ever did in the past.
You spin me right round, like a record baby, round round round round…
I’d like to remind all of his supporters what BLOATUS said back on the campaign trail:
“On the first day of presidency, on my very first day I plan to repeal Obamacare so hard that it’ll make his ancestors in Africa shiver with awe. I mean, I am going to take that piece of legislation and wipe my a** with it. That’s how much I dislike Obamacare and what I think about it. By the way, that’s also how I feel about Ted Cruz, but that’s not the point right now,” Trump said jokingly, causing Stephanopoulos to laugh.
“Seriously though,” the billionaire businessman continued, “that’s what I plan on doing. And then first thing in the morning on day two, I’m going to replace it with a much better service that’s genuinely going to take care of every poor person in the United States. I’m talking daily food rations, clean clothes, a place to spend the night, possibly new jobs, it’s all going to be awesome, it’s going to be utopia. I’m going to make it so good that people are going to want to become homeless just to qualify for Trumpcare. And by the way, that’s what I’m going to call it. A huge, flashy neon sign is going to be placed above the entrance to every Trumpcare facility across the country. I want people to know who made it possible for them to have a better life.”
At least those at CNN connected to the false story admitted what they did and took responsibility. When the right wing media outlets spread fake news, they get promoted to prime time.
See the difference yet?
What fake news did the RWM spread? That you are really an independent? That you are not a troll? That you know from facts and stats and credible studies that SP HC will prevail?
Literally too many to name.
Remember the mosque attack they pinned on a supposed Morrocan immigrant? Everyone else reported that it was actually a right wing nut job, and they refused to retract until the federal government of Canada demanded they change their story.
No resignations, no mea culpa.
How about the time they reported (made up) multiple FBI indicating that HRC was going to be indicted for emails during the campaign. No resignations, no mea culpa.
Or Hannity’s conspiracy theory nuttery about pizzagate, and DNC murder scandal, etc. No resignations, no mea culpa.
I could go on and on, but you don’t care.
Kudos to CNN for retracting a poorly vetted story. It is unfortunate that they published it in the first place, but Fox News would never do the same.
As I have been saying for years, and a big reason for my defection from the party, Republicans either lack the ability, desire and/or courage to govern.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/27/politics/republican-health-care-bill-vote-delayed/index.html
They should just go back to being in the minority and complain. It is what they do best.
ANSBG – America Never Stopped Being Great!!!!!!!!!!
So, because there is a reconciliation process that is taking a few weeks, you’ve decided they can’t get it done? Laughing my Ossoff!
No. Because they cannot even get their own party to agree. In my opinion, and based on their actions, I have the sense that the Republicans have been putting on a show for their supporters and really do not want to put their names to a replacement. They have expressed the desire to sabotage the PPACA, let it fail, lose their majorities in Congress, then let the Democrats come in to save the day.
So far, I have been proven to be right and you have been proven to be wrong.
If I am proven to be wrong, I will be happy to admit it. Unlike when you, Agent, Bob, and President Trump have been proven to be wrong.
Good luck with that. They’ve denied video evidence proving them wrong in the past. Their new lines will be whatever Rush abs Fox tell then to say.
Can’t get their party to OBEY in lockstep like mindless Dems do?
I’m GLAD their are differences in opinion on major issues; it separates the RINOs from the True Conservatives. Note how RINOs are not being re-elected after they are exposed?… a few exceptions being McCain, Kasinich and Graham.
The moderates in the party are holding back progress. Wait until someone with more courage takes them out behind the woodshed for a good stern lecture about helping US citizens receive more freedoms and coverage they CHOOSE themselves.
President Trump tried and failed to take them behind the woodshed.
Where is this great deal maker we were promised?
Where was the repeal of the PPACA on day 1 we were promised?
Where is the replacement on day 2 we were promised?
Where is this great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost?
He told us it would be sooooo easy.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/25/trump_repealing_obamacare_is_going_to_be_so_easy.html#!
You and all Trump Supporters were and continue to be conned. Open your eyes. He is not the savior you thought.
Yes Ron, he is possibly the greatest POS grifter this country has ever seen. And, he drives across greens. Only cares about himself. Always has, always will.
Planet, that’s fake news. In reality he’s a big hit and beloved by all. I read about it in an odd looking Time magazine at his golf club which looked suspiciously homemade, but he wouldn’t do that because he’s honest and not insane.
But since a place reported that he used fake magazine covers he came out today in favor of taxing them additionally, which is about as authoritarian and corrupt as you can get. Too bad for him he can’t just grab their genitals and threaten to sue them like with everybody else.
I love how someone down-voted your comment.
“Booooooooo! Facts hurt me! booooooooooo!”
Like, seriously, UW, you literally used nothing but facts in your statement, but that is apparently too much for some people to handle.
You voted for the piece of human garbage, support him, warts and all. Don’t shy away because someone brought up how absolutely shameless and terrible he is.
That fake Time cover looks so fake it is ridiculous. How they thought that could pass for a real cover just makes me crack up.
Polar and Agent, 2 downvotes almost immediately on every non-far right post.
Of course he had those fake covers hung at his golf courses. Everything the guy does is dishonest, deceitful, and dumb. How’s that “wealthcare” plan coming along, you freaking DA?
The guy who cries “Fake News” all the time literally hangs fake news at his courses. What a joke! He should go back to TV and kissing women against their will.
Make golf etiquette and Time Magazine covers real again!
He’s an Incompetent, not a deal maker. Look at the Carrier deal the village idiots were here circle jerking over. They just shipped the jobs away, counted jobs they weren’t planning on shipping away, and kept millions of dollars from the government to automate the jobs they sent away. But, he got the permanent PR bump with the idiots so it’s a positive for him and he will probably do it again, and it will work again because all his supporters care about are what they are rules to repeat. They will be told it was great and will treat it as such, regardless of reality.
They will say Obama was bad for jobs, the BS and all other groups with data are liberal and biased, and cheer Trump paying companies to ship away jobs even though he was supposed to be punishing them.
News flash! BOTs are STILL not working on the Insurance Journal website. Libitterals remain in meltdown mode over their inability to censor opposing opinions and are running low on George Soros funding. Tune in for the 11 o’clock news for any updates on this story!
Failed on a major issue after only 5 months in office? Laughing my Ossoff!!!
Remember when your talking point you ended every comment with was “Drain the swamp?” What is it like having such little intellectual power that you can switch at the drop of the hat with no reservations or embarrassment?
He’s got nothing, UW, and he knows it. Which is why his tone is that of fear and not confidence. Cheers!
All new has are lies and the email address of person who will delete comments for him if he looks bad, if not a direct view to their desk, if the theory about him working there is true, which I don’t think is the case.
I’m not completely tired of winning. There’s so much winning happening lately that I don’t have time to breathe and tire of it all.
@Ron; your comments about TrumPresident not doing things he said he’d do in a few months is akin to the person who sounds their car horn a split second after the traffic light turns green and the car(s) in front of them haven’t yet cleared the intersection or even accelerated.
Good things take time.
I’m not getting tired of winning yet.
“Good things take time” Tell that to candidate Trump, not me. He is trhe one who made the empty promises and his supporters fell for his con.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool a Trump supporter 156 times, FAKE NEWS!!
Keep blindly supporting our president. I prefer to view things objectively.
i45 can’t spell or read. When he said “winning”, he was reading his teleprompter. It said, “We gonna whine so much, you might even get tired of whining.” But, because he can’t read, he said winning.
Shipping jobs over borders, demeaning tweets to morning show hosts, constant lying to the American people, stripping away the freedom of the press – this is what makes America great again?
The man is an 11 year old. Small hands, shriveled up cojones, and has to be involved in every fight he’s invited to. Doesn’t even know a high road exists, let alone how to get there and take it. So far, and it’s early, but he’s worse the Dubya. He has no clue how to be presidential. He should just return to TV, coveting his own daughter, and assaulting women. That’s what he does best.
Toot! Toot! CNN is starting a new scandal on TrumPresident over the holiday weekend. Tune in if you’re a Libitteral for all the latest info. Tune in if you’re a Conservative or Moderate to laugh your Ossoff.
Polar,
You seem desperate. Really, pal. You seem as confused, unhinged and sociopathic as your orange Lord. Alex Jones has really dug his claws deep in you, hasn’t he? This is all far, far too poetic to ignore. Comedy or tragedy? Can’t decide.
I think it’s about 50/50 whether Polaron believes in Jones’ latest theory about NASA child sex slaves on Mars. We know it’s a Birther. He probably believed the Comet Pizza story. All pushed by an organization Trump and Polar trust.
You’re being quite generous low-balling it at 50/50.
I would be willing to bet that every single disproven Republican-started conspiracy theory has been believed, supported, and endorsed by him.
The real kicker is, once disproven, he doesn’t disavow those obviously fake notions in his heart. I bet if you ever swam around those firing synapses in his skull, a ton would still connect “Obama” to “Kenya”, “Hillary” to “Butcher of Benghazi”, “Republicans” to “Fiscally Sound”, and “Trump” to “Large-handed, business genius.”
You are probably right. He did confirm very recently he was a Birther.
I’ll just choose to ignore credible reporting and the FBI when it is convenient for my pre-baked assumptions. This is a witch hunt!
good point, Watergate did take 2 years after all.
LOLZ Agent youre still bashing obamacare?! bro, you have a republican president, republican congress, AND a republican senate and you still cant get anything passed! abhahahahahahah probs bc the republitards dont actually know how to govern –similar to how you dont – – instead they just know how to complain and obstruct.
at least youve still got texas. although that still sucks compared to california.
It’s like looking into a bizarro mirror of Agent and Vladi.