Recall that McCain sent an aide to Europe (UK?) to pick up papers on the TrumPresident’s alleged Golden Showers incident? How’d that turn out, Libitterals?
Before that, TrumPresident criticized McCain during the Republican Primary process.
The most interesting strategy proposed for TrumPresident is to IMMEDIATELY issue an EO that removes the Congressional exemption from ACA provisions. Boom! Repeal will happen IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER.
So McCain, who supported a clueless idiot in Palin, thought Trump was colluding with a foreign power too, and was too dangerous to be president, and that’s the fault of liberals (sad, know nothing loser stll using the tired “libiteral” insult)?
The president can’t use an EO to repeal the supposed Congressional exemption, it’s written law. Yeah, we know you don’t care about the will of the people, democracy, the rule of law, or the country so you think laws should be made by 1 person, as long as you agree with them.
Why don’t you just come out and support a fascist dictator if it gives you your tax cuts? Is obviously what you want.
BTW, we can officially put to rest that you have zero credibility. You stated multiple times you were going to Washington, had inside sources and knew all about this great bill but couldn’t reveal info. Just like your alleged statistics degree, you lied, because that’s what you do. You are a clueless liar.
integrity, McCain is being black mailed and took $100,000 from Soros for his foundation. Isn’t that how it works in DC? Lobbyists and Special Interest groups run the show and politicians on both sides are beholden to them. All except for our President who took nothing. No wonder they are out to get him because he is upsetting their applecart.
I agree most politicians on both sides are beholden to lobbyists and special interest groups, but McCain is being blackmailed? That’s hilarious. Are you wearing your aluminium foil hat so aliens can’t read your mind too?
July 28, 2017 at 8:05 pm
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InfoWars branded tin foil. It’s stronger more Alien rays don’t penetrate his thick candy shell. :P
July 28, 2017 at 5:20 pm
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Integrity, provide one quote where I said I have no problem with Obama EOs on Obamacare, same for me consistently supporting Obama violating the Constitution, absent that apologize and STFU. Lying conservatives cannot do anything but lie, create positions they say others hold, and then argue against those.
I know by definition as a modern American conservative you do not, and cannot know about policy. The “exemption” from Congress is EXPLICITLY WRITTEN INTO LAW. EOs have to do with how the federal government will interpret laws. It can be used to effectively negate laws by not enforcing them, but in this case can not remove the exemption, because it’s not written in a manner that is left open to interpretation. That is giving you and Yogi the benefit of the doubt and pretending you know what you are talking about and are making serious proposals. You aren’t. Also to remove the exemption would be a budget item, which cannot be done through reconciliation in Congress, and I know this is news to you, but the president cannot unilaterally add and subtract to the budget.
By left wing trap do you mean the 80%+ that were against this bill or the 60%+ that don’t approve of Trump? Idiots.
UW, we don’t have a democracy in this country, but a Constitutional Republic although Democrats would prefer a Democracy where everything is in chaos. Chaos is what they are all about and personal hatred.
Agent, your memorized talking point is wrong, try to work on knowing when to use this copy and paste job. We do live in a democracy; we do not live in a direct democracy. You don’t know the difference. Also, that’s not relevant to my post, aside from you supporting that conservatives don’t believe in democracy.
UW, get some help for your mental disorder. I and many Americans know how this country was formed and what the founding fathers meant when they set it up. They were very afraid that a true democracy would lead to chaos. They were very, very wise.
July 28, 2017 at 5:56 pm
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Your statement was wrong. I pointed out exactly how it was wrong, and you replied with an insult. Go to hell, bigot.
You don’t know what the Founders thought, or you would not make so many asinine statements.
Post something other than an insult and what is essentially “nuh uh, nuh uh,” or don’t post anything, you add NOTHING.
July 29, 2017 at 3:35 am
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The founding fathers were so wise, they actually took a breath to chuckle between saying, “All men are created equal”, and “but, slavery is totally cool.”
Some of them were great men, but by and large they were just regular men, folks. Robber-barons, trust fund brats, habitual liars, smugglers, con-men, and so on. We don’t remember that, because we want to romanticize these guys as being pure and 100% dignified by the righteous and noble pursuit of freedom. They were just as self-serving then as politicians looking for kickbacks and bribes are today.
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“The founding fathers were so wise, they actually took a breath to chuckle between saying, “All men are created equal”, and “but, slavery is totally cool.””
This is grandiose overstatement and shows you don’t know what the constitution was and is. They did not make the constitution with racism contained in. The made a process for the people to be run as efficiently as possible, without allowing for full on democracy to crush the republic, and checks and balances to change what need be.
Stop insulting our founding fathers, and implying they allowed or wanted or encouraged slavery.
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More deleted comments by IJ. Funny, the illegal, personal threats against me weren’t deleted, but Mr. Simpson, who insulted me for bringing the to his attention, or another mod for Bloomberg articles, has to jump to delete anything pushing back on the constant lies, insults and slurs posted here by conservatives.
Slavery is in the Constitution, and outlawing it was banned for 30 years, Bob. You are wrong, and uninformed on the topic.
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Wow, quite sad, IJ. Quit burying your heads in the sand. Deleting factual posts responding to lies and obfuscations is pretty low.
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McCain’s feud with TrumPresident continues…
Recall that McCain sent an aide to Europe (UK?) to pick up papers on the TrumPresident’s alleged Golden Showers incident? How’d that turn out, Libitterals?
Before that, TrumPresident criticized McCain during the Republican Primary process.
The most interesting strategy proposed for TrumPresident is to IMMEDIATELY issue an EO that removes the Congressional exemption from ACA provisions. Boom! Repeal will happen IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER.
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“Recall that McCain sent an aide to Europe (UK?) to pick up papers on the TrumPresident’s alleged Golden Showers incident? How’d that turn out, Libitterals?”
Uh, pretty good? Many, many things have been verified from the Steele Dossier. The pee-pee tape is a minor kink aspect of it. A lot of the juicy stuff is the reason why officials started to look closer at the corruption and ineptitude and most likely compromised nature of the whole campaign.
You think Sessions would have recused himself over nothing? With the whole government under GOP control? Get real.
Not to mention Manafort and Flynn being FOREIGN AGENTS while also apparently trying to help LEAD THIS COUNTRY. Then, you have the rest of the mountain of evidence that you can conveniently ignore.
You don’t have a leg to stand on, which is why instead of refuting my points, you will either:
a)ignore this post like it didn’t happen and go back to your happy place while rocking gently (your happy place probably involves sleeveless t-shirts, jorts, the Confederate Flag and lots of large caliber ammunition)
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b)just insult me, then still go to your happy place, where liberals, scientists, news agencies, and logic can’t reach you.
It’s no wonder why so many Southern Conservatives worship Trump: they were already worshiping traitors from their past, they might as well do it with present-day ones, as well. “The South will rise again, Praise General Lee, Hallelujah!”
Also, the BBC reporter Paul Wood reported that he had contacted a high up source in Eastern European intelligence before the Steele Dossier was released that independently said there was indeed a pee tape they were aware of, and 2 CIA sources independently confirmed it and told him there were multiple sex tapes. They didn’t report the story because the reporter had not seen the tape and they wanted to play it safe. Almost eerything from the dossier is being confirmed. They are criminals, Republicans don’t care.
Duhg, most of what you post has the appearance of some thought having been given to it and frequently has some merit, but when you go to the ‘large-blanket-statement’ as in your last paragraph above, you are no better than those you attempt to disparage. You clearly don’t know much about Southerners, so to avoid looking like a buffoon you should probably just refrain from commenting on them at all.
Or, keep on and prove me right.
I agree. I do myself a disservice by attempting humor in a spiteful way, and it would benefit myself and the conversation at hand if I did not resort to insults.
I will make sure to keep my level of discourse, even when I am annoyed who I am responding to, at a high level.
I apologize if I have offended you. Through years working in the south (I am an underwriter/territory manager for a southern state at my P/C company), I have definitely met many people who fit my stereotype, but many more who are good, decent people without an ounce of hypocrisy or malice in their bodies. Something I definitely need to work on.
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Magnanimous – your response to me was exactly that. Kudos to you.
I also get angry/frustrated reading others posts on here and frequently say things to and about other posters that I wish I hadn’t. I will follow your lead and endeavor to raise the bar also. Until I read one of UW or Captain Planet’s posts that undermine my efforts at civility ! :-)
McCain’s term runs until 2022, so he won’t wield power for 4 of those 6 years if a few of the 23 Dems up for re-election in 2018 don’t survive their re-election bid, and/or the 8 Republicans are re-elected.
It looks like the Death Spiral will decide the fate of ACA, but not very soon.
Nat, let’s not forget the possibility of having 2 more Conservative justices on the Supreme Court. Gorsuch is already having a good effect on their rulings. Kennedy and Ruth Buzzi’s retirement is imminent. Return the country to the rule of law. What an amazing thought.
Gorsuch has effected exactly one case so far, and it was a minor case about a class-action lawsuit, but good job sounding convincing about his effect he is having. Since you came of somewhat coherent, nobody picked on you for once.
Of all the decent Republicans that I know, almost zero like Trump, their representatives, members of congress on either side, or many of the policies they espouse. For them, it was all about the Supreme Court pick, which the Republicans in Congress obstructed.
What a sham that the public at large has completely forgotten how a president was denied his right to pick a justice by congress for a full year. They turned a multi-century tradition into partisan politics. I guarantee Yogi, Agent, and bobbo were all for it, too, but are the same ones complaining that the minority party wouldn’t vote for their abomination of a “health care bill”
The problem with voting for Supreme Court picks is, you end up with crap like Trump and so on in hopes they pick a decent human being.
Gorsuch seems like just another run of the mill conservative judges, and obviously not the devil incarnate like many Dems would have the public believe, but it should never have been Trumps or Clinton’s pick to make. The decent thing, which is rarely spoken when dealing with Republican politicians, would have been to hold hearings about Merrick Garland, and if he didn’t pass muster: don’t confirm him. Would it have been that hard?
Nope, gotta play politics at all times.
July 29, 2017 at 4:39 pm
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Oh yeah, you have a firm lock on picking up more GOP seats in both houses. A very firm lock.
At this point, it’s not a liberal or conservative issue. Most of us just want a President that can do his job. A leader. Trump can’t lead and this is the textbook example of the Peter Principle. The great experiment where we elect a wealthy non politician deal maker who makes outrageous promises is rapidly coming to an end. He’s an embarrassment and most of Washington knows it. We were so desperate that we were willing to overlook his boorish campaign rallies, name calling & p*ssy grabbing, and his poor knowledge of history & world events. You know something N & B, you could have beat Hilary Clinton in this race.
Excuse me, SWFL, but this is NOT Trumps fault. He is trying to fix the Obamacare nightmare that the DEMOCRATS shoved down our throats. Repubs and Dem’s, both, do not like Trump calling there DC home a samp or cesspool, and are making it as difficult as possible to allow him to succeed. Those of us that are smart enough to see through this BS are only emboldened more to vote out the cesspool rats in upcoming elections, until we actually get people who care about the Constitution and not about getting re-elected.
And one more thing…At least Trump has the balls to stand up to the other countries, unlike Obama, who foolishly “lead from behind”. Obama caused our country to lose respect throughout the world and Trump is in the process of restoring it. Get over how he does it because it’s been effective so far.
Th3 vote in the Senate may not be President Trump’s fault, but here are some theings for which he should be held to account:
1. He promised the get things done because he is the ultimate deal maker.
2. He promised to repeal the PPACA on day one and replace it on day 2 and that is will be soooo easy.
3. He said he has a great plan that will cover everybody, regardless of your ability to pay, and is much less expensive.
4. He has lobbed personal insults to anyone who has gone against him.
5. He praised the House vote to pass the ACHA, then called the legislation mean.
6. He said he would label China currency manipulators, then changed his mind when he was inaugurated. Presumably to encourage them to stop North Korea. China has expressed zero interest in doing anything about North Korea.
Our president is a con man who is using Jedi mind tricks. Since they only work on the weak-minded, it says a lot about those who continue to blindly follow and defend this man.
Elected Republicans and Putin are starting to realize he can’t deliver for them. Republicans are starting to distance themselves and he’s too incompetent and stupid to do anything to stop it. He bought time by surrendering Syria to Russia and al Assad spreading Russian, Syrian, Hezbollah’s, and Iran’s power in the region, but if he can’t do more he won’t accept it. It should be interesting seeing who flips on him first, and how the nuts deny, lie, and then say X isn’t actually illegal.
And more thing. I feel like the rat that got caught in the trap. I don’t want the cheese anymore, I just want out of the trap. My concern is not health care and tax reform any longer. Like in the past, I’ll figure how to deal with these issues. My biggest fear is that this President will create and engage in a military conflict that is irreparable.
It’s time for this a$$ clown to take a hike. Go back to TV and daydreaming about your own daughter. He doesn’t have the character or resolve to run The Oval Office. It’s complete and utter shame.
Yeah, he and Scaramucci were discussing Trump’s golf puts this morning, mere hours after a stinging and humiliating public defeat. Tired of winning yet?
July 28, 2017 at 4:21 pm
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That was not a defeat for Trump, but a defeat for the people suffering under Obamacare.
Trump had nothing to do with the law that was put on the books nor the bills to fix it. But the left will try to spin it to make it look like it’s Trumps fault, and the blind sheep like you will believe them.
What does it feel like to be brain washed? Have you learned how to go to the bathroom on your own yet?
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So Integrity, by that logic, and as always I use that term very loosely with you, Obama has no blame for Obamacare then, right?
July 28, 2017 at 4:15 pm
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@Captain Planetarium: TrumPresident has 3.5 years left on his first term. He may run for re-election, unless he gets tired of winning and succeeding.
Nat, I just came onto the blog and it looks like they are doing a good job of down voting you with their multiple monikers. By the way, how is it a Democratic victory to block this when their own law is on its last legs? They are really looking out for the American people, aren’t they? Chucky Shmucky and Lieawatha were really celebrating. Way to go Progressive thugs.
Or, perhaps it’s because people are sick and tired of you and Yogi repeating all your Fox News / Hannity / Limbaugh / Levin / Coulter talking points over and over. They’re sick of Yogi’s pretending that he has inside knowledge of what’s going on in the Republican party as well as a crack IT team which told him of the “Bots” that were being used by George Soros (hint: Soros doesn’t pay anyone on here to downvote anything; if he did I’d gladly take some cash) and your blatant disregard to listen to anyone who might have an idea different from yours or come from a different background than yours, as well as playing the victim (look: People are trying to silence conservative voices!) plus your blind allegiance to the most divisive president in recent history and desire to make enemies out of anyone who disagrees with you in the name of “winning.” You and Yogi have hijacked this board and driven a lot of people away who might have been looking to learn something about, oh, i don’t know…INSURANCE…instead of politics. There should be a strict “no politics” rule for this board. Keep it about business or go someplace else.
You sound a little like the “pot” calling the “kettle” black.
The “Most divisive president” award goes to Obama. He took racial tensions in this country back 50 years with his quick “shame the white person” actions and comments before even knowing the truth about the situation. The left wing media fanned the flames.
There is not a blind allegiance to Trump (at least not from my part), but there still appears to be that blind allegiance to Obama and Hilliary by the democrats, even though it is obviously apparent that they were both serial liars (Hilliary, moreso) and ideologues. Obamacare is failing for most, that is a fact, but the Democratic leadership still has a “it’s our way or the highway” mentality. And many of the people that follow them are violent crybabies because they are not getting their way. Did the Tea Party or republicans riot and destroy things because they did not get their way?
You better try to get that plank out of your eye before you start trying to remove the spec out of the eyes of the conservatives.
A person whose rigid ideology dictates what other people are allowed to think.
Does that about sum it up? They do like to dictate, don’t they and cannot accept opinions of others who disagree with them. This rigid ideology is taught in college by liberal professors. If they don’t get their way, they scream and holler and throw a fit. Trump won and they just can’t accept it. America First, MAGA
July 28, 2017 at 5:32 pm
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Agent,
I think you need to add the following to the definition..
They are open to diversity, except when the diverse person or group has a differing opinion. They accept others opinions provided they are consistent with their own. Opposing views are typically met with hatred, name calling and violence. Liberals rarely accept responsibility for their own actions and usually blame others or claim they are victims.
July 28, 2017 at 4:12 pm
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Thank you the downvoter.
I’ve pretty much been avoiding IJ for the past few months for the reasons you mentioned. I see enough right vs left vitriol skimming Facebook or just turning on the news. I really don’t have the stomach to deal with it here, too.
I’d like to see the Death Spiral continue for a while, for more public pressure to be put on Congress, and, especially egotists like McCain. Congress is supposed to represent the interests of their constituents, not THEIR interests.
Did Trump vote on this? why do people blame him instead of McCain, Johnson and the gal from Alaska? They killed it as well as every Democrat.
Yes, Trump needs to get off twitter, keep his mouth shut. On this subject, it is congress failing the people. We all know this is one of the worst laws ever written.
FFA, they probably blame him because he said he was repealing it on his first day in office and replacing it with Trumpcare on day 2. And, it was going to be so great, people would be purposely going into poverty in order to obtain it.
Its just sickening. Everyone knows Obama Care is a horrible law. Everyone knows cost have skyrocketed. The people on both sides of the lisle are in a position to undo what Obama screwed up and no one does.
Maybe they should resort to straight faced lies like OBama did. Maybe some dirty back room deals. You know – sleaze.
Obamacare slowed the rate of the increase. The only solution is single payer, anybody arguing otherwise doesn’t know the problem or doesn’t know the basics about insurance and risk, or doesn’t think we should have guaranteed treatment.
“Repeal and Replace” was never about improving the nation’s health care. It was simply another attempt in Trump’s mind to destroy Obama’s legacy. It would be far simpler to revise the ACA by taking its good points and building on it but then it would still be called “Obamacare” and that would not fly with this administration. I am not a fan of Obama’s politics but I would like to see a health care law that helped the most U.S. citizens – whatever you want to name it.
Vern, way to tow the brainwashed Progressive line. All reasonable people knew Oblamacare was the worst law ever passed and continues to implode as we speak. It was nice to see that the Single Payer received not one vote so all is not lost.
Where have you been for the past 7 years? Republicans have been trying to repeal Obamacare before Trump ever got involved.
Please, I beg each of you leftists, Obama-ites, Hilliary and Bernie lovers to stop watching MSNBC. You’re brain and ability to think independently has gone to mush. I am not asking you to watch Fox, just try to get educated on the matters and use some common sense! It’s not rocket science.
Live in the now. They can’t even agree on the ‘skinny repeal’ in 2017. Who cares what they have done in years past? None of that matters today when they have majorities in all three branches of the government and, with Democrats being unable to fillibuster their agenda, they still can’t reach an agreement with themselves to enact something they’ve been shouting about for more than half a decade.
With 3 branches of gov’t, NOW is the time for Republicans to show this country they can govern and pass meaningful legislation.
Excuse Republicans for not jumping into the pit like the lemming Democrats following the worst President with the worst agenda in history. They didn’t even bother to read the law before voting for it and never did. Blind trust of a leader espousing lie after lie was the doom of the law which started imploding shortly after passage and continues to this day.
Welcome to the insulting IJ comment section Vern! You may have noticed your thought already “caused” two posters to insult you. Good luck posting your thoughts and beliefs without getting people to attack you for having different views than their own.
PS – Integrity: if you’re going to insult someone’s intelligence, you really should use the correct version of its/it’s.
Question…Is it an insult if one is simply pointing out the truth?
Vern’s statement…”“Repeal and Replace” was never about improving the nation’s health care. It was simply another attempt in Trump’s mind to destroy Obama’s legacy.”… is either a lie or he is grossly misinformed.
Obama’s “legacy” was destroyed the moment that legislation was passed and when the lies were revealed about how it got passed. Trump had nothing to do with that, but in true and consistent form, the left continues to shift blame to others, just like their leader, Obama, did.
More jobs, improving economy, better security. Oh wait, that’s right, MSNBC doesn’t report on that stuff. They are too busy with creating fake news for you to believe.
Unless, you are like the Democratic leadership that thinks less jobs, a shrinking economy and less security is a victory. A victory to the Democrats is a society dependent on the government.
The GOP having all three houses of government is not fake news.
The GOP not being able to repeal is not fake news.
The GOP not having a cohesive plan after 7 years is not fake news.
The GOP imploding is not fake news.
And, no, MSNBC did not have to tell me that. It is just freaking obvious.
“The GOP having all three houses of government is not fake news.”
Doesn’t matter, barring a super majority, due to how bills come to floor.
“The GOP not being able to repeal is not fake news.”
This is because the democrats won’t allow for the typical process, so they are using reconciliation to by pass the 60 vote area which could be blocked, and democrats have confirmed it will. There are limits then on what they can do. I’ll go over this in the next section specifically since it applies better.
“The GOP not having a cohesive plan after 7 years is not fake news.”
YES IT IS. This is the first one that is truly fake news, due to parts of what I said I would go over above. They CAN’T present the bills the presented before, because they are going through a DIFFERENT PROCESS to pass the bill, because democrats are blocking the typical route. They presented three bills alongside the ACA, they presented more than 5 since then. At this point, the cannot present those through reconciliation. And now the democrats are saying it means they have no plan, because the republicans are working with what they have, which in this case, is stone walling, and don’t come back to me with a “they did it too” phrase, which is where I’m sure this will go. The fact is the republicans have no route forward to make a good bill, and 3 republicans are saying that’s not good enough.
“The GOP imploding is not fake news.”
Quite the contrary, your side is doing all they can to stop the right.
“And, no, MSNBC did not have to tell me that. It is just freaking obvious”
Actually, yes, you are parroting major leftist talking points. You were told this.
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Oh and John McCain sending Trump a BIG FU for his comments about not being a war hero just not fake news.
McCain also said he didn’t want to totally destroy all precedent in the Senate, and doesn’t seem to want to destroy the health care system in his state, it’s not about being an FU to Trump.
I’m not tired of the funding approved to build The Wall. Win-win for US citizens! They’ll pay now, be reimbursed later, and will get back jobs, safety/ security, and lowered taxes to not support welfare payments to ILLEGALS.
The ACA was designed to fail, except not so soon. It was and is the biggest act of sabotage this country has every faced. Just think, 1/7 of our total economy thrown into chaos. It was done by arrogant power hungry people who at the most basic level are extremely stupid. Unfortunately, they are tenacious in pursuit of their goals. I wish the Repubs were the same. Trumps not perfect, but he loves the people of this country, and he loves this country. Better than the rest of the whores in government.
For Trump, this has never been about improving our health-care system. Trump, who visibly had no idea how the ACA works or what was in the various GOP replacements, and who openly said he would sign whatever Republicans put in front of him, just wanted to boast of a “win” while triumphantly using Barack Obama’s signature domestic achievement as his own personal toilet paper roll. It’s fitting that President Trump reacted to the epic collapse of the GOP repeal-and-replace push by vowing to keep up his campaign to sabotage the Affordable Care Act. “Let Obamacare implode, then deal,” Trump tweeted, meaning the administration should continue undermining the law, to force Democrats to the table to … well, it’s not clear what he wants from them, but it is clear is that he will continue sabotaging the ACA out of sheer rage and spite. / Trump’s threat to keep sabotaging the ACA, however, could actually still end up hurting a lot of people. There are plenty of tools that the administration can employ to keep sabotaging the individual markets and the ACA. I don’t know if Trump will make good on these threats. But the important point is that the openly stated goal here is to hurt our health-care system — which would hurt real people — in service of an end that Trump has not articulated. Because he has no interest in understanding what challenges the ACA and our health system face, he has no idea what any “deal” with Democrats would look like. His only discernible goal is to force Democrats to capitulate to him in some vague way
I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Trump’s motives. While he has said he has his pen ready to sign whatever (a position I oppose), it is under the auspices of it will be better than Obamacare.
I have a similar problem with that approach because it is not a simple fix. Anything short of a complete repeal and replacement with a new law, will likely meet the same fate if it has similar “gov’t fix features” and leaves the private market with tied hands and unable to create a true competitive alternative.
I suspect Trump is relying on the Congressman’s expertise to “do the right thing”, which is naïve.
The alleged “tools” you speak of are costly and only prolongs the inevitable of Obamacares failure. Whether you believe it or not, Obamacare was designed to fail. That would usher in a govt run, single payer system.
The Democrats are finally admitting it needs fixing, but they continue to be obstinate and want “their solutions” to continue with the same entitlement problems, which is unsustainable.
Republicans should stop making arguments against the ACA or stop trying to move our health-care system in a conservative direction. Indeed, a genuinely bipartisan approach to reforming our health-care system could end up giving Republicans some deregulatory measures in exchange for GOP help in shoring up the exchanges and a GOP acceptance of the ACA’s coverage expansion. Some Republican health wonks are now calling on their party to adopt a similar approach. But for this to happen, we would all have to proceed from shared agreement that this coverage expansion — one fostered by government — has actually helped enormous numbers of people, even if it isn’t in the manner that Republicans had hoped.
Can you define what you mean by “move our healthcare system in a conservative direction”?
It seems to me that the Republicans are trying to:
1. Change the law so that people have the right to choose whether they want to buy healthcare for themselves or not, which is an example of liberty. (Does anyone see the irony that democrats fight for the right of a mother to choose whether she wants to abort her child, but FORCES her buy insurance to pay for it.)
2. Make healthcare more affordable for the people.
3. Reduce the taxpayer burden to pay for those that cannot afford it.
Is that a conservative direction? Where is the problem with any of that?
The gov’t roll in this process should be reduced to:
1. Establishing laws to allow the free market forces to create alternative coverage plans that are affordable and meet the needs of MOST people. I say MOST because it is impossible to meet everyone’s needs.
2. Be a TEMPORARY backstop for those that cannot afford healthcare in the private market. Temporary until they can help themselves.
3. Establish laws to incentivize employers to provide quality healthcare coverage for their employees.
4. Possibly establish laws to incentivize wealthy individuals to “adopt” a medicaid recipient. The Warren Buffets, Bill Gates and Hollywood elitists would have an avenue to “put up or shut up” without forcing the burden onto the middle class.
Yogi, I don’t know if we can take you seriously on this subject any longer. Your predictions have continuously been proven dead wrong. You are like the cult leader calling for the end of days. “Okay, it’s going to happen next week.”
(1 week later, no repeal)
“Okay, seriously guys, next week we’ll have HEALTHCARE SPECIFICCS.”
(1 week later, nothing)
“Okay, who cares about the repeal, we’ll just do it later.”
Above all else, folks, remember: Obamacare doesn’t force anyone to buy health insurance. Never has happened. You do avoid paying a tax by having health insurance, but there is nobody forcing anyone to carry health insurance.
And anyone whose premium would be more than, I believe, 8% of their income gets it for free… Then there are several low cost crappy options above that threshold before the insane-o premiums that people always tout start going into effect.
Another day gone by and another spiral elapsed in the ACA Death Spiral, bringing the whole thing much closer to a final ‘crash and burn’ that was intended by the architects – to lead to Single Delayer HC in the US.
You realize that is grouping and bigotry there at the end, don’t you?
I see a lot of this right now. I’ll use Trump’s quote and throw it at you because you voted for Trump, and like Trump.
How about you remove the hip catch phrases from your commentary.
First: You’re not hip! You’re not a teenager anymore. This reminds me of Mean Girls with Gretchen saying “That’s so fetch!”. You’re not going to make fetch happen, you’re not as cool as you think you are, for throwing those comments in (or rather as good and superior as you think you are)
Leave the conservatives here alone.
I’m sick of your side’s harassment, and it definitely is why people voted Trump and why the country is on the verge of collapse. Self reflect or see the country collapse…Your choice buddy.
Was I saying something politically incorrect or mean?
Twice in a row my comments have been deleted from the bottom of this thread.
bobbo says the country is on the verge of collapse, all the while it is Republicans manning the wheel. Could it be that they have no concept of leadership? That some of them actively wish for the destruction of the posts they helm?
Incompetence or malevolence, I can’t tell.
Leaving the conservatives here alone would be to support deliberate ignorance, and I can’t do that.
Liberal positions, or things going against Yogi are generally deleted, some things against Bob’s positions are deleted. Few conservative positions are deleted and almost n no racism, sexism, calls to violence or personal threats (against liberals) are deleted.
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Yogi told a poster he was going to have IT track them down then said what kind of browser they were using (according to the person), then said they would be blocking Tor, which IJ did about a week later. When the person (Actu, I think) brought it up the blog moderator openly mocked them and said if they had a problem to call the police, despite a link to the threats being posted. You decide what’s going on, and why 90% of the intelligent people have left while Agent, Yogi, and a handful of others, with the exact same ideology stay and insult, lie, and threaten people, with no repercussions.
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So McCain, who supported a clueless idiot in Palin, thought Trump was colluding with a foreign power too, and was too dangerous to be president, and that’s the fault of liberals (sad, know nothing loser stll using the tired “libiteral” insult)?
The president can’t use an EO to repeal the supposed Congressional exemption, it’s written law. Yeah, we know you don’t care about the will of the people, democracy, the rule of law, or the country so you think laws should be made by 1 person, as long as you agree with them.
Why don’t you just come out and support a fascist dictator if it gives you your tax cuts? Is obviously what you want.
BTW, we can officially put to rest that you have zero credibility. You stated multiple times you were going to Washington, had inside sources and knew all about this great bill but couldn’t reveal info. Just like your alleged statistics degree, you lied, because that’s what you do. You are a clueless liar.
Kick rocks, delete your account.
UW – You didn’t seem to upset with Obama issuing EO’s pertaining to Obamacare. Now all of a sudden you want the president to follow the Constitution.
…And who is the hypocrite that laws should be made by one person, as long as you agree with them???
And speaking of clueless, McCain fell into the democratic, left wing media trap in trying to “get” Trump.
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I agree most politicians on both sides are beholden to lobbyists and special interest groups, but McCain is being blackmailed? That’s hilarious. Are you wearing your aluminium foil hat so aliens can’t read your mind too?
InfoWars branded tin foil. It’s stronger more Alien rays don’t penetrate his thick candy shell. :P
Integrity, provide one quote where I said I have no problem with Obama EOs on Obamacare, same for me consistently supporting Obama violating the Constitution, absent that apologize and STFU. Lying conservatives cannot do anything but lie, create positions they say others hold, and then argue against those.
I know by definition as a modern American conservative you do not, and cannot know about policy. The “exemption” from Congress is EXPLICITLY WRITTEN INTO LAW. EOs have to do with how the federal government will interpret laws. It can be used to effectively negate laws by not enforcing them, but in this case can not remove the exemption, because it’s not written in a manner that is left open to interpretation. That is giving you and Yogi the benefit of the doubt and pretending you know what you are talking about and are making serious proposals. You aren’t. Also to remove the exemption would be a budget item, which cannot be done through reconciliation in Congress, and I know this is news to you, but the president cannot unilaterally add and subtract to the budget.
By left wing trap do you mean the 80%+ that were against this bill or the 60%+ that don’t approve of Trump? Idiots.
UW, we don’t have a democracy in this country, but a Constitutional Republic although Democrats would prefer a Democracy where everything is in chaos. Chaos is what they are all about and personal hatred.
Agent, your memorized talking point is wrong, try to work on knowing when to use this copy and paste job. We do live in a democracy; we do not live in a direct democracy. You don’t know the difference. Also, that’s not relevant to my post, aside from you supporting that conservatives don’t believe in democracy.
UW, get some help for your mental disorder. I and many Americans know how this country was formed and what the founding fathers meant when they set it up. They were very afraid that a true democracy would lead to chaos. They were very, very wise.
Your statement was wrong. I pointed out exactly how it was wrong, and you replied with an insult. Go to hell, bigot.
You don’t know what the Founders thought, or you would not make so many asinine statements.
Post something other than an insult and what is essentially “nuh uh, nuh uh,” or don’t post anything, you add NOTHING.
The founding fathers were so wise, they actually took a breath to chuckle between saying, “All men are created equal”, and “but, slavery is totally cool.”
Some of them were great men, but by and large they were just regular men, folks. Robber-barons, trust fund brats, habitual liars, smugglers, con-men, and so on. We don’t remember that, because we want to romanticize these guys as being pure and 100% dignified by the righteous and noble pursuit of freedom. They were just as self-serving then as politicians looking for kickbacks and bribes are today.
“The founding fathers were so wise, they actually took a breath to chuckle between saying, “All men are created equal”, and “but, slavery is totally cool.””
This is grandiose overstatement and shows you don’t know what the constitution was and is. They did not make the constitution with racism contained in. The made a process for the people to be run as efficiently as possible, without allowing for full on democracy to crush the republic, and checks and balances to change what need be.
Stop insulting our founding fathers, and implying they allowed or wanted or encouraged slavery.
More deleted comments by IJ. Funny, the illegal, personal threats against me weren’t deleted, but Mr. Simpson, who insulted me for bringing the to his attention, or another mod for Bloomberg articles, has to jump to delete anything pushing back on the constant lies, insults and slurs posted here by conservatives.
Slavery is in the Constitution, and outlawing it was banned for 30 years, Bob. You are wrong, and uninformed on the topic.
Wow, quite sad, IJ. Quit burying your heads in the sand. Deleting factual posts responding to lies and obfuscations is pretty low.
“McCain’s feud with TrumPresident continues”
If that is the basis, why did he come to DC, against his doctor’s wishes, just to vote to bring the bill up for debate? he could have killed it then.
Your credibility is not in a death spiral, it is dead!
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“Recall that McCain sent an aide to Europe (UK?) to pick up papers on the TrumPresident’s alleged Golden Showers incident? How’d that turn out, Libitterals?”
Uh, pretty good? Many, many things have been verified from the Steele Dossier. The pee-pee tape is a minor kink aspect of it. A lot of the juicy stuff is the reason why officials started to look closer at the corruption and ineptitude and most likely compromised nature of the whole campaign.
You think Sessions would have recused himself over nothing? With the whole government under GOP control? Get real.
Not to mention Manafort and Flynn being FOREIGN AGENTS while also apparently trying to help LEAD THIS COUNTRY. Then, you have the rest of the mountain of evidence that you can conveniently ignore.
You don’t have a leg to stand on, which is why instead of refuting my points, you will either:
a)ignore this post like it didn’t happen and go back to your happy place while rocking gently (your happy place probably involves sleeveless t-shirts, jorts, the Confederate Flag and lots of large caliber ammunition)
or
b)just insult me, then still go to your happy place, where liberals, scientists, news agencies, and logic can’t reach you.
It’s no wonder why so many Southern Conservatives worship Trump: they were already worshiping traitors from their past, they might as well do it with present-day ones, as well. “The South will rise again, Praise General Lee, Hallelujah!”
Also, the BBC reporter Paul Wood reported that he had contacted a high up source in Eastern European intelligence before the Steele Dossier was released that independently said there was indeed a pee tape they were aware of, and 2 CIA sources independently confirmed it and told him there were multiple sex tapes. They didn’t report the story because the reporter had not seen the tape and they wanted to play it safe. Almost eerything from the dossier is being confirmed. They are criminals, Republicans don’t care.
Duhg, most of what you post has the appearance of some thought having been given to it and frequently has some merit, but when you go to the ‘large-blanket-statement’ as in your last paragraph above, you are no better than those you attempt to disparage. You clearly don’t know much about Southerners, so to avoid looking like a buffoon you should probably just refrain from commenting on them at all.
Or, keep on and prove me right.
I agree. I do myself a disservice by attempting humor in a spiteful way, and it would benefit myself and the conversation at hand if I did not resort to insults.
I will make sure to keep my level of discourse, even when I am annoyed who I am responding to, at a high level.
I apologize if I have offended you. Through years working in the south (I am an underwriter/territory manager for a southern state at my P/C company), I have definitely met many people who fit my stereotype, but many more who are good, decent people without an ounce of hypocrisy or malice in their bodies. Something I definitely need to work on.
Magnanimous – your response to me was exactly that. Kudos to you.
I also get angry/frustrated reading others posts on here and frequently say things to and about other posters that I wish I hadn’t. I will follow your lead and endeavor to raise the bar also. Until I read one of UW or Captain Planet’s posts that undermine my efforts at civility ! :-)
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Only a few of 23 Dem Senators need to be ousted to end the ‘power’ of moderates / liberals like Collins, McCain, and other RINO Senators.
Only a few.
Less than two years away from swearing in new Senators in 2019.
Nat, let’s not forget the possibility of having 2 more Conservative justices on the Supreme Court. Gorsuch is already having a good effect on their rulings. Kennedy and Ruth Buzzi’s retirement is imminent. Return the country to the rule of law. What an amazing thought.
Gorsuch has effected exactly one case so far, and it was a minor case about a class-action lawsuit, but good job sounding convincing about his effect he is having. Since you came of somewhat coherent, nobody picked on you for once.
Of all the decent Republicans that I know, almost zero like Trump, their representatives, members of congress on either side, or many of the policies they espouse. For them, it was all about the Supreme Court pick, which the Republicans in Congress obstructed.
What a sham that the public at large has completely forgotten how a president was denied his right to pick a justice by congress for a full year. They turned a multi-century tradition into partisan politics. I guarantee Yogi, Agent, and bobbo were all for it, too, but are the same ones complaining that the minority party wouldn’t vote for their abomination of a “health care bill”
Get bent, hypocrites.
The problem with voting for Supreme Court picks is, you end up with crap like Trump and so on in hopes they pick a decent human being.
Gorsuch seems like just another run of the mill conservative judges, and obviously not the devil incarnate like many Dems would have the public believe, but it should never have been Trumps or Clinton’s pick to make. The decent thing, which is rarely spoken when dealing with Republican politicians, would have been to hold hearings about Merrick Garland, and if he didn’t pass muster: don’t confirm him. Would it have been that hard?
Nope, gotta play politics at all times.
Oh yeah, you have a firm lock on picking up more GOP seats in both houses. A very firm lock.
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At this point, it’s not a liberal or conservative issue. Most of us just want a President that can do his job. A leader. Trump can’t lead and this is the textbook example of the Peter Principle. The great experiment where we elect a wealthy non politician deal maker who makes outrageous promises is rapidly coming to an end. He’s an embarrassment and most of Washington knows it. We were so desperate that we were willing to overlook his boorish campaign rallies, name calling & p*ssy grabbing, and his poor knowledge of history & world events. You know something N & B, you could have beat Hilary Clinton in this race.
Excuse me, SWFL, but this is NOT Trumps fault. He is trying to fix the Obamacare nightmare that the DEMOCRATS shoved down our throats. Repubs and Dem’s, both, do not like Trump calling there DC home a samp or cesspool, and are making it as difficult as possible to allow him to succeed. Those of us that are smart enough to see through this BS are only emboldened more to vote out the cesspool rats in upcoming elections, until we actually get people who care about the Constitution and not about getting re-elected.
And one more thing…At least Trump has the balls to stand up to the other countries, unlike Obama, who foolishly “lead from behind”. Obama caused our country to lose respect throughout the world and Trump is in the process of restoring it. Get over how he does it because it’s been effective so far.
integrity matters,
Th3 vote in the Senate may not be President Trump’s fault, but here are some theings for which he should be held to account:
1. He promised the get things done because he is the ultimate deal maker.
2. He promised to repeal the PPACA on day one and replace it on day 2 and that is will be soooo easy.
3. He said he has a great plan that will cover everybody, regardless of your ability to pay, and is much less expensive.
4. He has lobbed personal insults to anyone who has gone against him.
5. He praised the House vote to pass the ACHA, then called the legislation mean.
6. He said he would label China currency manipulators, then changed his mind when he was inaugurated. Presumably to encourage them to stop North Korea. China has expressed zero interest in doing anything about North Korea.
Our president is a con man who is using Jedi mind tricks. Since they only work on the weak-minded, it says a lot about those who continue to blindly follow and defend this man.
Elected Republicans and Putin are starting to realize he can’t deliver for them. Republicans are starting to distance themselves and he’s too incompetent and stupid to do anything to stop it. He bought time by surrendering Syria to Russia and al Assad spreading Russian, Syrian, Hezbollah’s, and Iran’s power in the region, but if he can’t do more he won’t accept it. It should be interesting seeing who flips on him first, and how the nuts deny, lie, and then say X isn’t actually illegal.
And more thing. I feel like the rat that got caught in the trap. I don’t want the cheese anymore, I just want out of the trap. My concern is not health care and tax reform any longer. Like in the past, I’ll figure how to deal with these issues. My biggest fear is that this President will create and engage in a military conflict that is irreparable.
It’s time for this a$$ clown to take a hike. Go back to TV and daydreaming about your own daughter. He doesn’t have the character or resolve to run The Oval Office. It’s complete and utter shame.
It’s a shame that you cannot see the lies being told to you by the left wing. We will see how much resolve Trump has.
Yeah, he and Scaramucci were discussing Trump’s golf puts this morning, mere hours after a stinging and humiliating public defeat. Tired of winning yet?
That was not a defeat for Trump, but a defeat for the people suffering under Obamacare.
Trump had nothing to do with the law that was put on the books nor the bills to fix it. But the left will try to spin it to make it look like it’s Trumps fault, and the blind sheep like you will believe them.
What does it feel like to be brain washed? Have you learned how to go to the bathroom on your own yet?
So Integrity, by that logic, and as always I use that term very loosely with you, Obama has no blame for Obamacare then, right?
@Captain Planetarium: TrumPresident has 3.5 years left on his first term. He may run for re-election, unless he gets tired of winning and succeeding.
Nat, I just came onto the blog and it looks like they are doing a good job of down voting you with their multiple monikers. By the way, how is it a Democratic victory to block this when their own law is on its last legs? They are really looking out for the American people, aren’t they? Chucky Shmucky and Lieawatha were really celebrating. Way to go Progressive thugs.
Or, perhaps it’s because people are sick and tired of you and Yogi repeating all your Fox News / Hannity / Limbaugh / Levin / Coulter talking points over and over. They’re sick of Yogi’s pretending that he has inside knowledge of what’s going on in the Republican party as well as a crack IT team which told him of the “Bots” that were being used by George Soros (hint: Soros doesn’t pay anyone on here to downvote anything; if he did I’d gladly take some cash) and your blatant disregard to listen to anyone who might have an idea different from yours or come from a different background than yours, as well as playing the victim (look: People are trying to silence conservative voices!) plus your blind allegiance to the most divisive president in recent history and desire to make enemies out of anyone who disagrees with you in the name of “winning.” You and Yogi have hijacked this board and driven a lot of people away who might have been looking to learn something about, oh, i don’t know…INSURANCE…instead of politics. There should be a strict “no politics” rule for this board. Keep it about business or go someplace else.
‘There should be a strict “no politics” rule for this board.’
Where do I go to sign that petition?! :)
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integrity, how about a definition for the day?
Liberal – Noun
A person whose rigid ideology dictates what other people are allowed to think.
Does that about sum it up? They do like to dictate, don’t they and cannot accept opinions of others who disagree with them. This rigid ideology is taught in college by liberal professors. If they don’t get their way, they scream and holler and throw a fit. Trump won and they just can’t accept it. America First, MAGA
Agent,
I think you need to add the following to the definition..
They are open to diversity, except when the diverse person or group has a differing opinion. They accept others opinions provided they are consistent with their own. Opposing views are typically met with hatred, name calling and violence. Liberals rarely accept responsibility for their own actions and usually blame others or claim they are victims.
Thank you the downvoter.
I’ve pretty much been avoiding IJ for the past few months for the reasons you mentioned. I see enough right vs left vitriol skimming Facebook or just turning on the news. I really don’t have the stomach to deal with it here, too.
I’d like to see the Death Spiral continue for a while, for more public pressure to be put on Congress, and, especially egotists like McCain. Congress is supposed to represent the interests of their constituents, not THEIR interests.
Did Trump vote on this? why do people blame him instead of McCain, Johnson and the gal from Alaska? They killed it as well as every Democrat.
Yes, Trump needs to get off twitter, keep his mouth shut. On this subject, it is congress failing the people. We all know this is one of the worst laws ever written.
FFA, they probably blame him because he said he was repealing it on his first day in office and replacing it with Trumpcare on day 2. And, it was going to be so great, people would be purposely going into poverty in order to obtain it.
Its just sickening. Everyone knows Obama Care is a horrible law. Everyone knows cost have skyrocketed. The people on both sides of the lisle are in a position to undo what Obama screwed up and no one does.
Maybe they should resort to straight faced lies like OBama did. Maybe some dirty back room deals. You know – sleaze.
Obamacare slowed the rate of the increase. The only solution is single payer, anybody arguing otherwise doesn’t know the problem or doesn’t know the basics about insurance and risk, or doesn’t think we should have guaranteed treatment.
“Repeal and Replace” was never about improving the nation’s health care. It was simply another attempt in Trump’s mind to destroy Obama’s legacy. It would be far simpler to revise the ACA by taking its good points and building on it but then it would still be called “Obamacare” and that would not fly with this administration. I am not a fan of Obama’s politics but I would like to see a health care law that helped the most U.S. citizens – whatever you want to name it.
Vern, way to tow the brainwashed Progressive line. All reasonable people knew Oblamacare was the worst law ever passed and continues to implode as we speak. It was nice to see that the Single Payer received not one vote so all is not lost.
Vern,
Where have you been for the past 7 years? Republicans have been trying to repeal Obamacare before Trump ever got involved.
Please, I beg each of you leftists, Obama-ites, Hilliary and Bernie lovers to stop watching MSNBC. You’re brain and ability to think independently has gone to mush. I am not asking you to watch Fox, just try to get educated on the matters and use some common sense! It’s not rocket science.
Live in the now. They can’t even agree on the ‘skinny repeal’ in 2017. Who cares what they have done in years past? None of that matters today when they have majorities in all three branches of the government and, with Democrats being unable to fillibuster their agenda, they still can’t reach an agreement with themselves to enact something they’ve been shouting about for more than half a decade.
With 3 branches of gov’t, NOW is the time for Republicans to show this country they can govern and pass meaningful legislation.
Excuse Republicans for not jumping into the pit like the lemming Democrats following the worst President with the worst agenda in history. They didn’t even bother to read the law before voting for it and never did. Blind trust of a leader espousing lie after lie was the doom of the law which started imploding shortly after passage and continues to this day.
Welcome to the insulting IJ comment section Vern! You may have noticed your thought already “caused” two posters to insult you. Good luck posting your thoughts and beliefs without getting people to attack you for having different views than their own.
PS – Integrity: if you’re going to insult someone’s intelligence, you really should use the correct version of its/it’s.
Confused
Thanks for being the typo police. There is a few more mistakes I made in some other posts that you forgot to point out.
By the way, I did use the correct form of its/it’s…”It’s not rocket science”, meaning “it is not rocket science”. Check your grammar bag.
Hey Confused…guess what, I screwed up again. I used “is” when I should have used “are”. Did you catch that one??
Question…Is it an insult if one is simply pointing out the truth?
Vern’s statement…”“Repeal and Replace” was never about improving the nation’s health care. It was simply another attempt in Trump’s mind to destroy Obama’s legacy.”… is either a lie or he is grossly misinformed.
Obama’s “legacy” was destroyed the moment that legislation was passed and when the lies were revealed about how it got passed. Trump had nothing to do with that, but in true and consistent form, the left continues to shift blame to others, just like their leader, Obama, did.
Who is tired of all this Trump winning? What a loser.
All this winning and not a drop of victory anywhere.
Is that what MSNBC told you, Celtica?
More jobs, improving economy, better security. Oh wait, that’s right, MSNBC doesn’t report on that stuff. They are too busy with creating fake news for you to believe.
Unless, you are like the Democratic leadership that thinks less jobs, a shrinking economy and less security is a victory. A victory to the Democrats is a society dependent on the government.
The GOP having all three houses of government is not fake news.
The GOP not being able to repeal is not fake news.
The GOP not having a cohesive plan after 7 years is not fake news.
The GOP imploding is not fake news.
And, no, MSNBC did not have to tell me that. It is just freaking obvious.
“The GOP having all three houses of government is not fake news.”
Doesn’t matter, barring a super majority, due to how bills come to floor.
“The GOP not being able to repeal is not fake news.”
This is because the democrats won’t allow for the typical process, so they are using reconciliation to by pass the 60 vote area which could be blocked, and democrats have confirmed it will. There are limits then on what they can do. I’ll go over this in the next section specifically since it applies better.
“The GOP not having a cohesive plan after 7 years is not fake news.”
YES IT IS. This is the first one that is truly fake news, due to parts of what I said I would go over above. They CAN’T present the bills the presented before, because they are going through a DIFFERENT PROCESS to pass the bill, because democrats are blocking the typical route. They presented three bills alongside the ACA, they presented more than 5 since then. At this point, the cannot present those through reconciliation. And now the democrats are saying it means they have no plan, because the republicans are working with what they have, which in this case, is stone walling, and don’t come back to me with a “they did it too” phrase, which is where I’m sure this will go. The fact is the republicans have no route forward to make a good bill, and 3 republicans are saying that’s not good enough.
“The GOP imploding is not fake news.”
Quite the contrary, your side is doing all they can to stop the right.
“And, no, MSNBC did not have to tell me that. It is just freaking obvious”
Actually, yes, you are parroting major leftist talking points. You were told this.
Oh and John McCain sending Trump a BIG FU for his comments about not being a war hero just not fake news.
McCain also said he didn’t want to totally destroy all precedent in the Senate, and doesn’t seem to want to destroy the health care system in his state, it’s not about being an FU to Trump.
The loser was replaced. MASA, MAGA, MAFFPA.
I’m not tired of the funding approved to build The Wall. Win-win for US citizens! They’ll pay now, be reimbursed later, and will get back jobs, safety/ security, and lowered taxes to not support welfare payments to ILLEGALS.
“it will be reimbursed later”
lol, how do you figure?
It appears Sally Anne Fannymaker was so tired of losing that she disappeared from IJ comment boards for several months.
The ACA was designed to fail, except not so soon. It was and is the biggest act of sabotage this country has every faced. Just think, 1/7 of our total economy thrown into chaos. It was done by arrogant power hungry people who at the most basic level are extremely stupid. Unfortunately, they are tenacious in pursuit of their goals. I wish the Repubs were the same. Trumps not perfect, but he loves the people of this country, and he loves this country. Better than the rest of the whores in government.
For Trump, this has never been about improving our health-care system. Trump, who visibly had no idea how the ACA works or what was in the various GOP replacements, and who openly said he would sign whatever Republicans put in front of him, just wanted to boast of a “win” while triumphantly using Barack Obama’s signature domestic achievement as his own personal toilet paper roll. It’s fitting that President Trump reacted to the epic collapse of the GOP repeal-and-replace push by vowing to keep up his campaign to sabotage the Affordable Care Act. “Let Obamacare implode, then deal,” Trump tweeted, meaning the administration should continue undermining the law, to force Democrats to the table to … well, it’s not clear what he wants from them, but it is clear is that he will continue sabotaging the ACA out of sheer rage and spite. / Trump’s threat to keep sabotaging the ACA, however, could actually still end up hurting a lot of people. There are plenty of tools that the administration can employ to keep sabotaging the individual markets and the ACA. I don’t know if Trump will make good on these threats. But the important point is that the openly stated goal here is to hurt our health-care system — which would hurt real people — in service of an end that Trump has not articulated. Because he has no interest in understanding what challenges the ACA and our health system face, he has no idea what any “deal” with Democrats would look like. His only discernible goal is to force Democrats to capitulate to him in some vague way
Dennis,
I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Trump’s motives. While he has said he has his pen ready to sign whatever (a position I oppose), it is under the auspices of it will be better than Obamacare.
I have a similar problem with that approach because it is not a simple fix. Anything short of a complete repeal and replacement with a new law, will likely meet the same fate if it has similar “gov’t fix features” and leaves the private market with tied hands and unable to create a true competitive alternative.
I suspect Trump is relying on the Congressman’s expertise to “do the right thing”, which is naïve.
The alleged “tools” you speak of are costly and only prolongs the inevitable of Obamacares failure. Whether you believe it or not, Obamacare was designed to fail. That would usher in a govt run, single payer system.
The Democrats are finally admitting it needs fixing, but they continue to be obstinate and want “their solutions” to continue with the same entitlement problems, which is unsustainable.
Republicans should stop making arguments against the ACA or stop trying to move our health-care system in a conservative direction. Indeed, a genuinely bipartisan approach to reforming our health-care system could end up giving Republicans some deregulatory measures in exchange for GOP help in shoring up the exchanges and a GOP acceptance of the ACA’s coverage expansion. Some Republican health wonks are now calling on their party to adopt a similar approach. But for this to happen, we would all have to proceed from shared agreement that this coverage expansion — one fostered by government — has actually helped enormous numbers of people, even if it isn’t in the manner that Republicans had hoped.
CORRECTION: Republicans should NOT stop making arguments…
Dennis,
Can you define what you mean by “move our healthcare system in a conservative direction”?
It seems to me that the Republicans are trying to:
1. Change the law so that people have the right to choose whether they want to buy healthcare for themselves or not, which is an example of liberty. (Does anyone see the irony that democrats fight for the right of a mother to choose whether she wants to abort her child, but FORCES her buy insurance to pay for it.)
2. Make healthcare more affordable for the people.
3. Reduce the taxpayer burden to pay for those that cannot afford it.
Is that a conservative direction? Where is the problem with any of that?
The gov’t roll in this process should be reduced to:
1. Establishing laws to allow the free market forces to create alternative coverage plans that are affordable and meet the needs of MOST people. I say MOST because it is impossible to meet everyone’s needs.
2. Be a TEMPORARY backstop for those that cannot afford healthcare in the private market. Temporary until they can help themselves.
3. Establish laws to incentivize employers to provide quality healthcare coverage for their employees.
4. Possibly establish laws to incentivize wealthy individuals to “adopt” a medicaid recipient. The Warren Buffets, Bill Gates and Hollywood elitists would have an avenue to “put up or shut up” without forcing the burden onto the middle class.
Yogi, I don’t know if we can take you seriously on this subject any longer. Your predictions have continuously been proven dead wrong. You are like the cult leader calling for the end of days. “Okay, it’s going to happen next week.”
(1 week later, no repeal)
“Okay, seriously guys, next week we’ll have HEALTHCARE SPECIFICCS.”
(1 week later, nothing)
“Okay, who cares about the repeal, we’ll just do it later.”
Laugh riot.
Agent is Skank Hunt!
Above all else, folks, remember: Obamacare doesn’t force anyone to buy health insurance. Never has happened. You do avoid paying a tax by having health insurance, but there is nobody forcing anyone to carry health insurance.
And anyone whose premium would be more than, I believe, 8% of their income gets it for free… Then there are several low cost crappy options above that threshold before the insane-o premiums that people always tout start going into effect.
Another day gone by and another spiral elapsed in the ACA Death Spiral, bringing the whole thing much closer to a final ‘crash and burn’ that was intended by the architects – to lead to Single Delayer HC in the US.
Hmm, I must have missed that amongst all the jubilation and sun shine today. Weird…
Oops! More news / info that is embarrassing to Dems is out…
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/24/how-aarp-support-for-obamacare-was-bought-and-paid-for.html
Very embarrassing, and very revealing of Dem objectives and corruption.
In this thread: salacious opinion pieces from 2012 are news. LOL. Keep up the winning Yogi.
You realize that is grouping and bigotry there at the end, don’t you?
I see a lot of this right now. I’ll use Trump’s quote and throw it at you because you voted for Trump, and like Trump.
How about you remove the hip catch phrases from your commentary.
First: You’re not hip! You’re not a teenager anymore. This reminds me of Mean Girls with Gretchen saying “That’s so fetch!”. You’re not going to make fetch happen, you’re not as cool as you think you are, for throwing those comments in (or rather as good and superior as you think you are)
Leave the conservatives here alone.
I’m sick of your side’s harassment, and it definitely is why people voted Trump and why the country is on the verge of collapse. Self reflect or see the country collapse…Your choice buddy.
Was I saying something politically incorrect or mean?
Twice in a row my comments have been deleted from the bottom of this thread.
bobbo says the country is on the verge of collapse, all the while it is Republicans manning the wheel. Could it be that they have no concept of leadership? That some of them actively wish for the destruction of the posts they helm?
Incompetence or malevolence, I can’t tell.
Leaving the conservatives here alone would be to support deliberate ignorance, and I can’t do that.
Liberal positions, or things going against Yogi are generally deleted, some things against Bob’s positions are deleted. Few conservative positions are deleted and almost n no racism, sexism, calls to violence or personal threats (against liberals) are deleted.
Yogi told a poster he was going to have IT track them down then said what kind of browser they were using (according to the person), then said they would be blocking Tor, which IJ did about a week later. When the person (Actu, I think) brought it up the blog moderator openly mocked them and said if they had a problem to call the police, despite a link to the threats being posted. You decide what’s going on, and why 90% of the intelligent people have left while Agent, Yogi, and a handful of others, with the exact same ideology stay and insult, lie, and threaten people, with no repercussions.