There is nothing better than what was mentioned by the CEO of American Outdoor Brands; i.e. enforce existing gun laws, improve (effectiveness of) background checks, and address mental health challenges. There is room for an additional action to improve safety; armed guards at schools, theaters, malls, churches/ temples/ synagogues/ mosques, and other soft targets. But that isn’t part of sports equipment manufacturers obligations or responsibilities.
Legislation that made schools ‘gun free zones’ decades ago were absolutely the wrong action, and has directly led to mass shootings at ‘soft target’ schools.
Absolutely correct Polar. Additional actions might include training Police and Sheriffs departments to be responsive to an active shooting situation instead of hiding outside and waiting to go inside long afterward with their supply of body bags.
I always find it odd how quick some people are to down vote a comment but not to offer any of their own. I for one firmly believe that there is a problem in this country but find it extremely hard to blame the gun makers or NRA for that problem. Both organizations although using lobbying efforts to protect their interests have strongly supported measures in the past and I am sure will in the future, to protect the public from dangerous weapons. I am hopeful that as a baseline we can come together and agree that anything can and unfortunately has been used as a weapon. Case in point is the horrific school stabbing incident in China with kitchen knives.
I find it interesting that the anti gun crowd screams about the evil AR 15 rifle but yet I have never heard any say that we should do away with Ruger’s Mini 14. Both weapons use the identical ammunition, have equal typical magazine capacity, in fact the only real difference between the weapons is that the mini 14 looks more like a hunting rifle due to not having a pistol grip and typically having a wooden stock.
At the end of the day it is not the chosen weapon that is the problem it is the lack of stability on the part of the perpetrators of these acts and the lack of our country taking proactive action when an individual threatens to harm another.
mrbob,
I agree that there are other ways people will attack, but it is a lot harder to kill a mass amount of people with a knife than a gun. I would not blame the manufacturers, but I hold the NRA slightly accountable because unlike what you said they have recently not supported increased measures of background checks and restrictions on guns. They have been the opposite and do not want these. I do believe in an individuals right to own a gun within reason, but there does need to be increased safety measures. I would also support having guns in school if it was done properly. Instead of the teachers, have trained officers who sole purpose would be school security.
helpingout,
Thanks for the response only point I would make is that the NRA does not legislate that is the job of congress, so how can they be held accountable for performing a civic right to communicate to congress as to their members stand on the issues? If you want to hold anyone accountable it is in fact our elected/appointed government officials who are to blame for not taking action on these matters.
While they do not have face value power to legislate these things, they are a lobbying group who, as a group and some individuals, have been shown to support not their members best interest but rather the gun manufacturers interests. Even President Trump said that they essentially have veto power. While yes it does fall back to the officials who were elected, I do blame the NRA for their lobbying efforts to restrict these efforts. I do support some activities of the NRA such as the classes they offer to train members on how to handle and store guns safely, but I just do not support their lobbying efforts.
March 15, 2018 at 2:45 pm
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So, before schools were “gun-free zones”, shootings did not occur because everyone was packing heat?
I am NOT anti-gun. But I am a firm believer in gun control, and the restriction of sales of automatic and semi-automatic guns; no matter the brand name. However, blaming the manufacturer of the weapons is senseless. If you buy a car and drive it like an idiot and kill people do you sue Ford?? When it comes to the NRA I do feel they hold some responsibility. They give politicians millions of dollars to ensure they don’t support gun control bills; that should not be allowed. In my opinion. Please – you don’t need to call me names now.
The problem with your analogy is in the use of the tool as it was intended. If you use a car as it was intended, it should not kill. If you use a gun as it was intended, it should kill. (Notice how I did not say people) If you bring up target shooting, that is just maximizing your proficiency in utilizing the tool as it was intended.
Ron, that is exactly what the founders had in mind when they included the second amendment in the bill of rights–they knew that people were not owning guns to go sport shooting but rather that an armed civilian population would act as a deterrent to a demagogue or a despot. Guns are designed to kill people, but sometimes people need to be killed (the silent portion of your argument does not acknowledge that). I hear this argument all the time but it is nonsensical–obviously guns are intended to shoot either people or animals–the founders were keenly aware of that reality. Additionally, to Chris’ point, people are now intending to use vehicles to kill people–it is completely pointless as to whether the manufacturer intended vehicles to be used for that purpose. If someone stabs you in the gut are you going to say “hey buddy, you are not using that knife for what it was intended for. That kitchen knife was designed to cut meat, not people.”
I get that, but your point is equally asinine. “Cars are not intended to kill people, and guns are.” So what? What is your inference? You obviously have a conclusion that you are omitting, and I just want you to go ahead and say it.
Please re-read my post and reply with a relevant comment. See what I did there?
March 12, 2018 at 1:43 pm
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I was making no inference, just stating facts. You were the one trying to make my post into something that it was not.
March 12, 2018 at 2:37 pm
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Fair enough.
March 12, 2018 at 4:43 pm
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Hey, if we ban cell usage in a car, just think how many lives we can save each year. Should be kept in the glove box like Jordan Spieth does in his car.
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Unless Target Shooting is a recreational hobby for the shooter. I have never shot something alive but I do enjoy Trap Shooting and Target shooting as a form of recreation. My kids are shocked when I tell them I have never hunted.
FFA, one of my partners is an avid skeet shooter and he also loves to hunt ducks. He then donates the meat to families to eat. That is very worthwhile.
You know what they say, Agent. If you can’t duck it…
March 13, 2018 at 3:18 pm
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My Gr Kids want to start with a 12 gauge. I think that would put them on their a$#. Im thinking more like a 410.
They are pretty good with the 22.Ask your pal his opinion. I would be curious / appreciate another opinion. My brother thinks a 16 or 20. They are just 9 /11 /13.
There is nothing better than what was mentioned by the CEO of American Outdoor Brands; i.e. enforce existing gun laws, improve (effectiveness of) background checks, and address mental health challenges. There is room for an additional action to improve safety; armed guards at schools, theaters, malls, churches/ temples/ synagogues/ mosques, and other soft targets. But that isn’t part of sports equipment manufacturers obligations or responsibilities.
Legislation that made schools ‘gun free zones’ decades ago were absolutely the wrong action, and has directly led to mass shootings at ‘soft target’ schools.
Absolutely correct Polar. Additional actions might include training Police and Sheriffs departments to be responsive to an active shooting situation instead of hiding outside and waiting to go inside long afterward with their supply of body bags.
Agreed
I always find it odd how quick some people are to down vote a comment but not to offer any of their own. I for one firmly believe that there is a problem in this country but find it extremely hard to blame the gun makers or NRA for that problem. Both organizations although using lobbying efforts to protect their interests have strongly supported measures in the past and I am sure will in the future, to protect the public from dangerous weapons. I am hopeful that as a baseline we can come together and agree that anything can and unfortunately has been used as a weapon. Case in point is the horrific school stabbing incident in China with kitchen knives.
I find it interesting that the anti gun crowd screams about the evil AR 15 rifle but yet I have never heard any say that we should do away with Ruger’s Mini 14. Both weapons use the identical ammunition, have equal typical magazine capacity, in fact the only real difference between the weapons is that the mini 14 looks more like a hunting rifle due to not having a pistol grip and typically having a wooden stock.
At the end of the day it is not the chosen weapon that is the problem it is the lack of stability on the part of the perpetrators of these acts and the lack of our country taking proactive action when an individual threatens to harm another.
mrbob,
I agree that there are other ways people will attack, but it is a lot harder to kill a mass amount of people with a knife than a gun. I would not blame the manufacturers, but I hold the NRA slightly accountable because unlike what you said they have recently not supported increased measures of background checks and restrictions on guns. They have been the opposite and do not want these. I do believe in an individuals right to own a gun within reason, but there does need to be increased safety measures. I would also support having guns in school if it was done properly. Instead of the teachers, have trained officers who sole purpose would be school security.
helpingout,
Thanks for the response only point I would make is that the NRA does not legislate that is the job of congress, so how can they be held accountable for performing a civic right to communicate to congress as to their members stand on the issues? If you want to hold anyone accountable it is in fact our elected/appointed government officials who are to blame for not taking action on these matters.
mrbob,
While they do not have face value power to legislate these things, they are a lobbying group who, as a group and some individuals, have been shown to support not their members best interest but rather the gun manufacturers interests. Even President Trump said that they essentially have veto power. While yes it does fall back to the officials who were elected, I do blame the NRA for their lobbying efforts to restrict these efforts. I do support some activities of the NRA such as the classes they offer to train members on how to handle and store guns safely, but I just do not support their lobbying efforts.
So, before schools were “gun-free zones”, shootings did not occur because everyone was packing heat?
I am NOT anti-gun. But I am a firm believer in gun control, and the restriction of sales of automatic and semi-automatic guns; no matter the brand name. However, blaming the manufacturer of the weapons is senseless. If you buy a car and drive it like an idiot and kill people do you sue Ford?? When it comes to the NRA I do feel they hold some responsibility. They give politicians millions of dollars to ensure they don’t support gun control bills; that should not be allowed. In my opinion. Please – you don’t need to call me names now.
Chris,
The problem with your analogy is in the use of the tool as it was intended. If you use a car as it was intended, it should not kill. If you use a gun as it was intended, it should kill. (Notice how I did not say people) If you bring up target shooting, that is just maximizing your proficiency in utilizing the tool as it was intended.
Ron, that is exactly what the founders had in mind when they included the second amendment in the bill of rights–they knew that people were not owning guns to go sport shooting but rather that an armed civilian population would act as a deterrent to a demagogue or a despot. Guns are designed to kill people, but sometimes people need to be killed (the silent portion of your argument does not acknowledge that). I hear this argument all the time but it is nonsensical–obviously guns are intended to shoot either people or animals–the founders were keenly aware of that reality. Additionally, to Chris’ point, people are now intending to use vehicles to kill people–it is completely pointless as to whether the manufacturer intended vehicles to be used for that purpose. If someone stabs you in the gut are you going to say “hey buddy, you are not using that knife for what it was intended for. That kitchen knife was designed to cut meat, not people.”
Augustine,
Please re-read my post and reply with a relevant comment.
The comment that inspired my post was, “If you buy a car and drive it like an idiot and kill people do you sue Ford??”. I am tired of this analogy.
I said nothing about the 2nd Amendment or getting rid of any guns. Nor did I say anything about the intent of the user.
I get that, but your point is equally asinine. “Cars are not intended to kill people, and guns are.” So what? What is your inference? You obviously have a conclusion that you are omitting, and I just want you to go ahead and say it.
Please re-read my post and reply with a relevant comment. See what I did there?
I was making no inference, just stating facts. You were the one trying to make my post into something that it was not.
Fair enough.
Hey, if we ban cell usage in a car, just think how many lives we can save each year. Should be kept in the glove box like Jordan Spieth does in his car.
Unless Target Shooting is a recreational hobby for the shooter. I have never shot something alive but I do enjoy Trap Shooting and Target shooting as a form of recreation. My kids are shocked when I tell them I have never hunted.
FFA, one of my partners is an avid skeet shooter and he also loves to hunt ducks. He then donates the meat to families to eat. That is very worthwhile.
You know what they say, Agent. If you can’t duck it…
My Gr Kids want to start with a 12 gauge. I think that would put them on their a$#. Im thinking more like a 410.
They are pretty good with the 22.Ask your pal his opinion. I would be curious / appreciate another opinion. My brother thinks a 16 or 20. They are just 9 /11 /13.