DNCs Coll(F)usion GPShip Strzok an IceberGowdy says:
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Uber doesn’t want the bad publicity of a very public trial… It knows mistakes were made by allowing this version AI vehicle on city streets…. with passengers and pedestrians put at risk.
It is unfortunate that the family settled, and so quickly. It would have been a service to the public for this to go to trial. Uber could have been held liable for reducing the number of sensors when it went from its Fords to its Volvos. A significantly large monetary judgement against Uber (not just a few million) would have been entirely justified, and serve as a warning to the other companies falling all over themselves like lemmings to bring autonomous vehicles to market. The general public should not be subject to fatal traffic incidents in order to test equipment that has not been developed on public roads, and companies like Uber that cut corners on safety deserve to be sued out of existence.
Obviously tragic but the woman was crossing outside the crosswalk on a four lane highway. Under the best of circumstances, she would have been hit. It sounds like the family took that under consideration.
No one “decides” to run someone over. The pedestrian cannot enter a roadway wit moving vehicles and expect an immediate stoppage of traffic. Most states have laws that place no blame on the driver in such cases. I witnessed a jogger run right into the road where a car was moving (jogger was texting) and ran into the road. Did the driver “decide” to hit the jogger? No.
I went to court as a witness. Driver won due to the negligence of the jogger in entering the roadway when and where she did. There was no way for the driver to stop.
de·cide
dəˈsīd/Submit
verb
come to a resolution in the mind as a result of consideration.
“they decided to appoint someone else”
cause to come to a resolution.
“this business about the letter decided me”
make a choice from a number of alternatives.
“she had decided on her plan of action”
synonyms: resolve, determine, make up one’s mind, make a decision;
When you take the radar off a car, a plane, etc. you have DECIDED to run over what you please. Hence, they wrote a BIG A check.
March 29, 2018 at 1:59 pm
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Wayne- And I slept at a motel 6 last night.
Plus the ten years as an auto claims adjuster with Sate Farm and Allstate, handling thousands of claims and watching them go to trial helps. Move along…nothing to see here.
March 29, 2018 at 2:09 pm
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Jack,
I don’t read 1blessedmom as saying they weren’t at least partially negligent. I think she is saying the woman who was jaywalking also carries some responsibility. I mean, do we even know if she was scromiting at the time?
Hopefully the family got a good chunk of money in the settlement. It was a sad event.
abcd, the general public is subject to fatal traffic incidents every day from cars being driven by people. And before cars were invented, they were subject to being trampled by horses. Uber is testing it’s product on public roads now after testing it in closed off environments.
Jack, who wants to be the guinea pig to stand out in the road and wait for the approach of an autonomous car and hope and pray the sensors work. blessed mom apparently didn’t read that Uber had disconnected the radar before turning it loose on the road. That was critical since the radar would have picked up the person long before the accident and the car would have stopped.
Jack,
What’s an “it”? Besides a great book by Stephen King, of course.
March 29, 2018 at 2:18 pm
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Cap- if I have to tell ya, u wouldn’t understand.
April 2, 2018 at 10:29 am
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MARCH 23, 2018 AT 3:08 PM
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You fashion yourself a fair-minded person. Then tell the truth.
March 29, 2018 at 4:53 pm
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“blessed mom apparently didn’t read that Uber had disconnected the radar before turning it loose on the road”
and YOU didn’t read that Uber connected their own version of radar before putting the car back on the road so it’s not like it was driving blind like you made it out in your post
abcd-why? to carry your torch? maybe the family did not want to endure the media and grind that a trial entails. The woman was also crossing in the middle of the road. their SIR is not that bad and they have a primary carrier and layers of excess behind it. Uber has stopped their program. a large monetary judgment will not shut Uber down. it will get passed along to the rideshare customer and minimize the driver take. also, your wrath should be directed at the State of AZ who gave out the cart blanche for this.
Uber should not have paid them a dime. She J-Walked at night, she knew better than to J-Walk and now Uber has to pay for her bad behavior. We all are taught to cross the street at the cross walk and especially at night.
I’m sorry she is dead, but it was her fault. Who is to say if a person was driving, they would have missed her. I doubt they would have missed her and they would have to live with her stupidity.
I agree that going to trial would have been a good thing. The argument around negligence and liability needs to be had. Is it 100% Uber? What about the software and hardware developers? Lots of people and entities involved with autonomous vehicles. Someday we have to decide who is responsible when a driverless car kills, injures or destroys property.
Was there any truth to the article I read that the woman was homeless? I used to insure nursing homes, and relatives filed claims of negligence all the time that NEVER showed up to visit their elderly or dying parents. That’s what I thought of when I read that she was homeless.
Uhmmmm??? I have never heard of a serious traffic accident case being settled within a week of the accident! Mind boggling. Investigation and discovery is probably just beginning. I wonder if the family members even had time to seek legal representation?? Uber apparently has the means to throw any amount of money at a problem. On a side note, it was a disservice to award the Uber Risk Manager as Big I Risk Manager of the Year Award a year or two ago. That guy had only scratched the surface, had not even handled the basics of how personal auto of drivers interacted with Uber’s own coverage. He had NO prior insurance background……..It was a joke to be frank.
The self-driving car industry will be destroyed by lawyers unless and until self-driving cars are absolutely perfect (meaning never).
Software is complicated. Any injury caused by a self-driving car will automatically generate a lawsuit. The cost to investigate and defend lawsuits while trying to prove there was nothing wrong with the software (an impossible task) will be outrageously high.
Welcome to America in 2018, where everything is another lawyer retirement fund.
Apparently there is another pending lawsuit for the son, mother and father of the deceased. Uber is said to have only settled with the daughter – strange for such a quick settlement they wouldn’t get all party releases.
Uber doesn’t want the bad publicity of a very public trial… It knows mistakes were made by allowing this version AI vehicle on city streets…. with passengers and pedestrians put at risk.
It is unfortunate that the family settled, and so quickly. It would have been a service to the public for this to go to trial. Uber could have been held liable for reducing the number of sensors when it went from its Fords to its Volvos. A significantly large monetary judgement against Uber (not just a few million) would have been entirely justified, and serve as a warning to the other companies falling all over themselves like lemmings to bring autonomous vehicles to market. The general public should not be subject to fatal traffic incidents in order to test equipment that has not been developed on public roads, and companies like Uber that cut corners on safety deserve to be sued out of existence.
Obviously tragic but the woman was crossing outside the crosswalk on a four lane highway. Under the best of circumstances, she would have been hit. It sounds like the family took that under consideration.
1blessedmom- You don’t get cleared of negligence because you decide to run over someone that didn’t use a crosswalk.
Jack: Are you a lawyer? I hope not.
No one “decides” to run someone over. The pedestrian cannot enter a roadway wit moving vehicles and expect an immediate stoppage of traffic. Most states have laws that place no blame on the driver in such cases. I witnessed a jogger run right into the road where a car was moving (jogger was texting) and ran into the road. Did the driver “decide” to hit the jogger? No.
I went to court as a witness. Driver won due to the negligence of the jogger in entering the roadway when and where she did. There was no way for the driver to stop.
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Wayne- And I slept at a motel 6 last night.
Plus the ten years as an auto claims adjuster with Sate Farm and Allstate, handling thousands of claims and watching them go to trial helps. Move along…nothing to see here.
Jack,
I don’t read 1blessedmom as saying they weren’t at least partially negligent. I think she is saying the woman who was jaywalking also carries some responsibility. I mean, do we even know if she was scromiting at the time?
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/arizona-law/arizona-negligence-laws.html
The injured party can collect even if 99% at fault in the state. It was NEVER going to trial.
It was never going to make it to trial….NEVER. Negligence was clear in the case, the only factor was how many zeros were going to be in the check.
Hopefully the family got a good chunk of money in the settlement. It was a sad event.
abcd, the general public is subject to fatal traffic incidents every day from cars being driven by people. And before cars were invented, they were subject to being trampled by horses. Uber is testing it’s product on public roads now after testing it in closed off environments.
Jack, who wants to be the guinea pig to stand out in the road and wait for the approach of an autonomous car and hope and pray the sensors work. blessed mom apparently didn’t read that Uber had disconnected the radar before turning it loose on the road. That was critical since the radar would have picked up the person long before the accident and the car would have stopped.
Hate to say it, but when your number is called, it don’t matter where or what you are doing. Live life brother, or sister, or it. Whatever.
Jack,
What’s an “it”? Besides a great book by Stephen King, of course.
Cap- if I have to tell ya, u wouldn’t understand.
MARCH 23, 2018 AT 3:08 PM
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You fashion yourself a fair-minded person. Then tell the truth.
“blessed mom apparently didn’t read that Uber had disconnected the radar before turning it loose on the road”
and YOU didn’t read that Uber connected their own version of radar before putting the car back on the road so it’s not like it was driving blind like you made it out in your post
abcd-why? to carry your torch? maybe the family did not want to endure the media and grind that a trial entails. The woman was also crossing in the middle of the road. their SIR is not that bad and they have a primary carrier and layers of excess behind it. Uber has stopped their program. a large monetary judgment will not shut Uber down. it will get passed along to the rideshare customer and minimize the driver take. also, your wrath should be directed at the State of AZ who gave out the cart blanche for this.
Hey, wait until the flying cars start falling from the skies and killing people.
Or cargo drones…
In the 1960s I was confident that by 2018 we would have cars just like George Jetson. So disappointed.
Uber should not have paid them a dime. She J-Walked at night, she knew better than to J-Walk and now Uber has to pay for her bad behavior. We all are taught to cross the street at the cross walk and especially at night.
I’m sorry she is dead, but it was her fault. Who is to say if a person was driving, they would have missed her. I doubt they would have missed her and they would have to live with her stupidity.
I agree that going to trial would have been a good thing. The argument around negligence and liability needs to be had. Is it 100% Uber? What about the software and hardware developers? Lots of people and entities involved with autonomous vehicles. Someday we have to decide who is responsible when a driverless car kills, injures or destroys property.
Was there any truth to the article I read that the woman was homeless? I used to insure nursing homes, and relatives filed claims of negligence all the time that NEVER showed up to visit their elderly or dying parents. That’s what I thought of when I read that she was homeless.
Uhmmmm??? I have never heard of a serious traffic accident case being settled within a week of the accident! Mind boggling. Investigation and discovery is probably just beginning. I wonder if the family members even had time to seek legal representation?? Uber apparently has the means to throw any amount of money at a problem. On a side note, it was a disservice to award the Uber Risk Manager as Big I Risk Manager of the Year Award a year or two ago. That guy had only scratched the surface, had not even handled the basics of how personal auto of drivers interacted with Uber’s own coverage. He had NO prior insurance background……..It was a joke to be frank.
Yes, the daughter had retained an attorney within 4 days of the accident.
The self-driving car industry will be destroyed by lawyers unless and until self-driving cars are absolutely perfect (meaning never).
Software is complicated. Any injury caused by a self-driving car will automatically generate a lawsuit. The cost to investigate and defend lawsuits while trying to prove there was nothing wrong with the software (an impossible task) will be outrageously high.
Welcome to America in 2018, where everything is another lawyer retirement fund.
I believe the family was seeking money for a funeral for the mom. That’s why it settled so fast.
Easiest case that lawyer ever had
Apparently there is another pending lawsuit for the son, mother and father of the deceased. Uber is said to have only settled with the daughter – strange for such a quick settlement they wouldn’t get all party releases.