I have definitely seen this developing over the years. I wouldn’t have dreamed of hitting the golf ball much in November at all here in Iowa back 20-30 years ago. In the last 5-7 years, I’ve been able to play later and later in the year. We now have 3 courses that stay open year round and I get to play every month at least once. Crazy!
I lived in South America for a time and spoke with several people there who showed me pictures and told me stories of the mountains by their homes growing long thick green grasses on them during the spring and summer months. Now? 100% bare. I am not talking like there is scrub brush or cacti, I mean they are BARE. This is just 25-30 years whereas as far as these people remembered, and some were in their 60s and 70s, they always had grasses on them.
I live in the midwest, too, by the way, and outside of the brutal cold snap we had from the week of Christmas on for a few weeks this past year, that has largely been the case for us with the golf courses. It is insanity.
Don’t these nerds get it? The scientific analysis I do from my armchair holds greater weight and rationale than their years of research, scientific method analysis, and data. I confirmed this with other people with the same level of scientific literacy as me, so I KNOW I can trust my gut on this.
Here we go again !… another climate change article and the expected back and forth with little offered to substantiate with credible data IF human actions SIGNIFICANTLY impact small temperature movements over too short periods of time.
The article clearly states 5 in 1,000,000 chance it’s NOT humans. But I get it. 97% of the worlds scientists are conspiring to trick you into taking better care of the environment around you.
Actually, they can if you dig into the evidence and are literate in science. The issue is not many people are literate in science (scientific literacy is a real thing). While may people think climate change is only global warming there are two different forces working in climate change. One is global warming and the other is a global cooling effect. Depending on where you are in the world it is possible you may experience one more than the other, but for the most part both forces are working. This also has to do with the rapid movement of each force as well. Hope this helps!
1. Climate Scientists made many predictions over the past 3 decades about rising temperatures tied to growing CO2 production, especially in China, India and other developing countries.
2. The predictions proved wildly inaccurate, and always on the high side. The temperatures have been rising, but much slower than any of the Climate Scientists predicted. So far, it does not look like doom is around the corner.
3. If we are to trust the ACTUAL data, it does not look like man is having as big an impact as everyone worried and that the rising temperatures are quite natural for the most part.
4. Climate Zealots refuse to rely on the actual data, but go straight to the latest predictions of doom, despite the poor track record of predictions. They call anyone who actually, you know, reads about the subject a Denier!
Well, that sounds like people who “believe in science”.
And so we have the usual Ad Hominem, third grade insults from the Climate Zealots.
Predict: to declare or indicate in advance; especially foretell on the basis of observation, experience, or scientific reason So what if they adjusted their predictions? Predictions change over time as more observations occur. That’s how predictions are supposed to work!
Correct. Now show me an article in the IJ – or anywhere else you read – that outlines the history of Climate Change predictions. Show me where you can read about the fact that the predictions have all been wrong on the high side.
Craig’s too busy being concerned with pot being legalized in states in which he doesn’t reside.
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Okay wise guy. Show me any study where Climate Change predictions have been accurate. Or on the low side.
Anything? Just insults?
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I repeat: What’s wrong Craig? Can’t use goo-gull like you tell everyone else to do??
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I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to take better care of the environment, if for no other reason than because it is where you and and family live and future generations of your family will have to live as well.
But let’s say, for argument’s sake, that 97% percent of the scientists in the world are wrong. And humans have ZERO role in this. Should we just roll over and die, or should we make an even more concerted effort to stop this trend?
Can someone show me the list of scientist that deny climate change given it’s only 3%. I guess I’s like to know what 3% equates too. Is that 3 out of 100, 30 out of 1000? Given scientist “prove” things they can “prove” who is denying it right? Names? Total number of scientist in the world?
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“Quite natural for the most part”? Okay, you’ve convinced me. I know longer think that more roof tops, more concrete & asphalt, and more people generate more heat.
Which scientists would that be? Those who are 55 and believe the world to be billions of years old and don’t know the first thing about reality? What kind of history do they have on billions of years for perspective on shifting season? Even on the real number – less than six thousand years – they do not have the tools to gauge effects of nature and climate change, because there isn’t enough recorded history to make any valid determinations. Stop hypothesizing and start believing God will turn things on a dime if we so deserve.
Lefty’s motto about 10 years ago was “Hope & Change”. Look where that led the country. Deception, lies and more lies. Disgraced climate scientists have been trying to put this hoax over for quite a while. Progressives are useful idiots to believe it.
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From the article itself:
“Climate models are famously imperfect. The authors indicate where simulated warming has been known to outrun actual temperatures, the focus of much attention in recent years.”
Truth Bomb #2: The USA is by far the leader in REDUCING CO2 emissions world wide. In 2017, the US recorded a 40M Ton reduction in emissions for the calendar year. Unsurprisingly, the holier-that-thou climate experts EU and Canada both INCREASED their total during the same time period. Of course, India and China were the worst, BY ALOT. If you want to learn something, click on the link below:
We might need to start worrying about global cooling:
A scientist who claims waning solar activity in the next 15 years will trigger what some are calling a mini ice age has revived talk about the effects of man-made versus natural disruptors to Earth’s climate.
There was a mini Ice Age around the 17th century that resulted in “a year without a summer” at one point. If you couple that with increased volcanic activity, we could be in for some cooler weather.
Why would we possibly need science or research when Pruitt & Trump will tell us the truth. I don’t think either of them have ever lied or misled anyone.
The real question is what to DO in the face of information and predictions that can never be completely precise. If we act to reduce carbon emissions and later learn they were not as great a problem as feared, we can go back to using fossil fuels accordingly. If we fail to act and later learn that the threat was real, the consequences can be catastrophic.
As it is, I think we can have economic growth, energy security, and a safe environment if we continue to invest (through subsidies) in renewable energy as a complement–not a complete substitute–for fossil fuels.
Hear hear! Well said. Building off your comment, I sincerely believe it is our responsibility to be good stewards of this planet to ensure our children, our children’s children, etc. have a habitable planet to live in. Ultimately, as a species, need to learn how to live in harmony with mother nature even though she’ll still win every time. Regardless of your stance if man is or is not influencing the changing climate in some way, I think we can all agree that the climate IS changing and is having a major impact on the planet.
“No Question we are poisoning the planet.”
What a ludicrous comment. Climate Zealot/Green Religion at it’s finest.
We are polluting in some areas (the ocean/plastics). But we are definitely NOT “poisoning the planet”. By nearly every measure, the environment is better today in Western countries than it was 50 years ago.
You know why? Because our free market economy allows us the extra money to pay to protect the environment, unlike Cuba/Venezuela/China/India, etc.
90% of all the plastics going into the oceans come from 10 rivers. Guess where they all are? Asia and Africa.
Ban Straws! (back to Climate Church, Green Clowns).
Craig, I think there is a considerable effort to re-cycle plastics in this country. They end up being made into something else useful. Not so much with the rest of the world and they want us to pay for their clean up bills. Not going to happen. There is a new sheriff in town.
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There is a problem with your statement.
The west does have a trash problem, and has relied on China for it. It’s not our free market solving it. Our markets have not been fully prepared for what to do as China starts rejecting trash. Really, China does indeed oppress it’s people into taking the trash and it is too much and harms their people. That’s one side of the problem. To my knowledge, we don’t really have a solution for the trash in the U.S. not a full one anyway.
I coincidentally was reading about this about a month ago. It’s kind of scary when you look into it.
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“90% of all the plastics going into the oceans come from 10 rivers. Guess where they all are? Asia and Africa.”
So on this one, I’m betting a huge chunk of that trash still comes from the West.
“By nearly every measure, the environment is better today in Western countries than it was 50 years ago.
You know why? Because our free market economy allows us the extra money to pay to protect the environment, unlike Cuba/Venezuela/China/India, etc.”
Laws, regulations and litigation caused polluters to recognize that continuing to pollute had significant costs that outweighed the short term gain of pollution. If you call that our free market economy, so be it.
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Sounds wonderful. As if it were all free!
How about you and your Green Believers pay for extra gas taxes and leave the working class alone with your Religion.
Actually, climate models are getting better and better now. But still it is on average more likely that the temperatures and effects are worse than predicted rather than less severe. The article does little to highlight this fact.
Really, I think if we start to think about this rationally, we can see that keeping the global economy going in order to switch fuel from fossils to hydrogen (and batteries, maybe, if there is enough material) then we have a chance of preserving a half-decent society and some respect for ourselves, and maybe even the planet.
If we cripple ourselves in the process then we a) will still be consuming vast amounts of fossil fuels; whatever the calamity, and this will happen indefinitely because the world will not be able to agree to any rules, ever. Which leads us to the fact that we b) won’t have the money to move to hydrogen for industry, power generation, transport etc. And this, ultimately, is the only way we are going to survive.
We will all be dead, permanently, if the planet switches into a chaotic state and we never get to hydrogen. Many countries have already started; basically the hydrogen economy is the only economy that is going to survive.
In the old days you could not plant alfalfa in (cool) northern MI past August 15th or you were likely wasting your time now you can easily plant it in Sept and often have a good ‘catch.’ In fact August is often too hot to establish it
On Saturn there are high levels of CO 2 it gets up to 700 during the day
plant lots of trees I guess to use up the CO 2 the renewable resources will help some my problem is they blame/bill the USA while China/others spews all kinds of crap – but I guess they are installing scrubbers too now
OK, deniers…then look at this. irrefutable that the ratio of carbon dioxide to oxygen is increasing. higher levels of carbon dioxide are due to burning fossil fuels and the felling of the forests, especially the rain forests. Trees breath carbon dioxide and excrete oxygen. Humans breath oxygen and give off carbon dioxide. If this trend continues…and it will…eventually we will all struggle to breathe. But you deniers don”t care…you just don’t want to pay more gas tax. Tell chump Trump and his GOP enablers to rescind the huge bonbon they gave the wealthy, do your part to rectify income inequality and there will be money to invest in non fossil fuel energy sources. OH, and by the way, we really are savaging our mother planet…ask the 25% of all living species that are threatened with extinction how they feel. Oh, I forgot, only humans…the one animal with higher brain power (allegedly)…get to kill and despoil everything and other living things…so you can have lower gas taxes. MAGNIFICENT. Why don’t you chain yourselves to a chair and binge watch BBC Planet Earth and Blue Planet series. Maybe you will come away more chastened and more open to trying to preserve old Terra before it is too late. .
She could be driving an electric car (or carpooling, or using a bicycle) and using solar panels on her home. The rest of your post is suggesting she kill herself — I don’t even know why I’m responding intelligently to you right now.
Thanks for your well wishes, my righty friends. guess what…I don’t drive, I don’t fly and have invested in solar on my personal residence. I am making my yard into a natural wildlife habitat and using native plants trees and shrubs. I have mason bee plots and carpenter bee houses for my organic fruit orchard. My organic raised bed garden is blooming. And..oh yeah..I run a large dog rescue. All this from my own pocket…so yeah, I think I have a right to be just as condesending as Agent, Polar, Craig, et.al. are even when the discussion doesnt warrant politics. I notice no one commented on the worsening carbon dioxide/oxygen ratio. Guess thats too factual for you to pruittize. Are you proud that the vaunted deregulation of business includes allowing mines to dump stuff in streams that downriver people draw water from? are you proud that Pruitt rescinded stricter standards for air effluents on dirty coal mines? are you proud that pruitt rescinded ban on glyco herbicides that are known carcinogens? Are you proud that pruitt and zinke want to drill in the arctic refuge…one of the remaining few pristine areas left? , Are you proud that as pruitt slunk out of the EPA office his last act was to rescind the stricter controls on diesel truck emissions? Do the research on the damage particulate pollution causes…lung cancer, asthma, COPD, 21% of Alzheimer cases, dementia, autism, male infertility, other forms of dementia, premature death…read the research then come and tell me how condescending I am.
Not a thing wrong with drilling in ANWR. No one around for hundreds of miles and they do it safely. Drill baby drill and then sell the LPG to Europe who needs it rather than Putin’s oil.
Do you wear clothing, do you have furniture, do you have a house, are you totally off the grid, do you eat any food you don’t produce, you don’t drive, but are you drive, or do you only remain a couple of miles form where you live, any plastics in your household, appliances, do you have visitors? If so, you too are contributing. Perhaps not as much as hypocritical environmentalists Al Gore, the Kennedy Clan, Leo DiCaprio, etc. etc. But you’re contributing.
Only FOUR decades of data? Why so few? There is great variance in temp, CO2, CO, etc. stats over (only) 4 decades in regard to climate changes. So, greater noise in such stats leads to conclusions of suspect value. And, who decides on the ‘starting point’ or ‘average temp that is considered to be normal/ desirable’? The 4 decades of data may not include sufficient time periods to properly determine the ‘normal’ stats. Thus, this is just more cherry picking of data by ‘Global Climate Change Scientists’.
Polar…scientists can tell gas ratios back thousands of years…they drill cores in arctic/antarctic and can measure all this. Read a scientific journal or watch documentaries instead of football and golf.
Let’s see. The Earth has been around for about 4,500,000,000 years. During that time the Earth has been much hotter and much colder than it is now, many, many times. Homo sapiens have been around for about 200,00 years or 0.0044% of the life of the planet. We’ve been burning significant amounts of fossil fuels and closely monitoring the weather/climate for about 100 years or 0.0000022% of the life of the planet. So with 0.0000022% of the information available about climate change, we got this down. It’s kinda like knowing all about what the center of the Earth is like by picking up a grain of sand off the beach.
What is the purpose of the argument? The only objection to the body of scientific evidence, accepted by most other countries, is profit or cost. The only objection to making changes in our behavior on the planet is profit or cost.
The likely outcome of ignoring the science is a dirty, polluted, unsafe planet. The only question is how long it will take to become too hostile to support “normal” life. If you want to amuse yourselves, you can discuss history since the ice age…which is totally irrelevant to us breathing now.
PORING!! The word is poring, not “pouring” over data.
I have definitely seen this developing over the years. I wouldn’t have dreamed of hitting the golf ball much in November at all here in Iowa back 20-30 years ago. In the last 5-7 years, I’ve been able to play later and later in the year. We now have 3 courses that stay open year round and I get to play every month at least once. Crazy!
I lived in South America for a time and spoke with several people there who showed me pictures and told me stories of the mountains by their homes growing long thick green grasses on them during the spring and summer months. Now? 100% bare. I am not talking like there is scrub brush or cacti, I mean they are BARE. This is just 25-30 years whereas as far as these people remembered, and some were in their 60s and 70s, they always had grasses on them.
I live in the midwest, too, by the way, and outside of the brutal cold snap we had from the week of Christmas on for a few weeks this past year, that has largely been the case for us with the golf courses. It is insanity.
Florida is the new Iowa, Jack.
Don’t these nerds get it? The scientific analysis I do from my armchair holds greater weight and rationale than their years of research, scientific method analysis, and data. I confirmed this with other people with the same level of scientific literacy as me, so I KNOW I can trust my gut on this.
Bahahah, who still believes in Climate Change?!
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The article clearly states 5 in 1,000,000 chance it’s NOT humans. But I get it. 97% of the worlds scientists are conspiring to trick you into taking better care of the environment around you.
Actually, they can if you dig into the evidence and are literate in science. The issue is not many people are literate in science (scientific literacy is a real thing). While may people think climate change is only global warming there are two different forces working in climate change. One is global warming and the other is a global cooling effect. Depending on where you are in the world it is possible you may experience one more than the other, but for the most part both forces are working. This also has to do with the rapid movement of each force as well. Hope this helps!
1. Climate Scientists made many predictions over the past 3 decades about rising temperatures tied to growing CO2 production, especially in China, India and other developing countries.
2. The predictions proved wildly inaccurate, and always on the high side. The temperatures have been rising, but much slower than any of the Climate Scientists predicted. So far, it does not look like doom is around the corner.
3. If we are to trust the ACTUAL data, it does not look like man is having as big an impact as everyone worried and that the rising temperatures are quite natural for the most part.
4. Climate Zealots refuse to rely on the actual data, but go straight to the latest predictions of doom, despite the poor track record of predictions. They call anyone who actually, you know, reads about the subject a Denier!
Well, that sounds like people who “believe in science”.
And so we have the usual Ad Hominem, third grade insults from the Climate Zealots.
Predict: to declare or indicate in advance; especially foretell on the basis of observation, experience, or scientific reason So what if they adjusted their predictions? Predictions change over time as more observations occur. That’s how predictions are supposed to work!
Correct. Now show me an article in the IJ – or anywhere else you read – that outlines the history of Climate Change predictions. Show me where you can read about the fact that the predictions have all been wrong on the high side.
Good luck!
What’s wrong Craig? Can’t use goo-gull like you tell everyone else to do??
Craig’s too busy being concerned with pot being legalized in states in which he doesn’t reside.
Okay wise guy. Show me any study where Climate Change predictions have been accurate. Or on the low side.
Anything? Just insults?
I repeat: What’s wrong Craig? Can’t use goo-gull like you tell everyone else to do??
I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to take better care of the environment, if for no other reason than because it is where you and and family live and future generations of your family will have to live as well.
But let’s say, for argument’s sake, that 97% percent of the scientists in the world are wrong. And humans have ZERO role in this. Should we just roll over and die, or should we make an even more concerted effort to stop this trend?
Can someone show me the list of scientist that deny climate change given it’s only 3%. I guess I’s like to know what 3% equates too. Is that 3 out of 100, 30 out of 1000? Given scientist “prove” things they can “prove” who is denying it right? Names? Total number of scientist in the world?
“Quite natural for the most part”? Okay, you’ve convinced me. I know longer think that more roof tops, more concrete & asphalt, and more people generate more heat.
“no longer”
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Wow. Just wow.
Dinosaurs….
“Even on the real number – less than six thousand years”… just.. wow…
LOL. That’s pretty much when you can stop any attempt at replying. That is the stupidest stuff ever.
Just doing the math on it is absolutely hilarious.
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Anything? Just insults?
Wait, just to clarify things before I make any assumptions – Do you think the world is less than 6,000 years old?
You’re the idiot I have to deal with on my renewals. Get your head out of your ass.
Is your ark ready?
Hey GoldC,
Is it true they have a dinosaur saddle at the Creationist Museum?
LOL.
I make fun of all absurd, unfounded beliefs equally.
Second paragraph, first sentence utilizes the term “climate deniers”.
Obviously agenda driven.
Read no further!
On page 48, second chapter of volume 3 of the Count of Monte Cristo, it utilizes the term “buttered bread”
I am lactose intolerant, this book was obviously written with the dairy lobby’s best interest in mind.
Educate myself no further!!
Very fitting to include The Count in this discussion..
“All human wisdom is contained in these two words – Wait and Hope.”
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Way to make light of this Dear. Shows you don’t have a clue what is going on.
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From the article itself:
“Climate models are famously imperfect. The authors indicate where simulated warming has been known to outrun actual temperatures, the focus of much attention in recent years.”
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
But THIS TIME the predictions are right on!
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What facts? All I get from Climate Clown are insults.
Truth Bomb #1: The climate changes. Get over it.
Truth Bomb #2: The USA is by far the leader in REDUCING CO2 emissions world wide. In 2017, the US recorded a 40M Ton reduction in emissions for the calendar year. Unsurprisingly, the holier-that-thou climate experts EU and Canada both INCREASED their total during the same time period. Of course, India and China were the worst, BY ALOT. If you want to learn something, click on the link below:
https://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-in-2017-us-had-largest-decline-in-co2-emissions-in-the-world-for-9th-time-this-century/
We might need to start worrying about global cooling:
A scientist who claims waning solar activity in the next 15 years will trigger what some are calling a mini ice age has revived talk about the effects of man-made versus natural disruptors to Earth’s climate.
https://www.livescience.com/51597-maunder-minimum-mini-ice-age.html
There was a mini Ice Age around the 17th century that resulted in “a year without a summer” at one point. If you couple that with increased volcanic activity, we could be in for some cooler weather.
Why would we possibly need science or research when Pruitt & Trump will tell us the truth. I don’t think either of them have ever lied or misled anyone.
Barack Obama, repeatedly: “It’s all Settled Science.”
Unless you are a Climate Scientist.
“The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.”
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
The real question is what to DO in the face of information and predictions that can never be completely precise. If we act to reduce carbon emissions and later learn they were not as great a problem as feared, we can go back to using fossil fuels accordingly. If we fail to act and later learn that the threat was real, the consequences can be catastrophic.
As it is, I think we can have economic growth, energy security, and a safe environment if we continue to invest (through subsidies) in renewable energy as a complement–not a complete substitute–for fossil fuels.
Hear hear! Well said. Building off your comment, I sincerely believe it is our responsibility to be good stewards of this planet to ensure our children, our children’s children, etc. have a habitable planet to live in. Ultimately, as a species, need to learn how to live in harmony with mother nature even though she’ll still win every time. Regardless of your stance if man is or is not influencing the changing climate in some way, I think we can all agree that the climate IS changing and is having a major impact on the planet.
Just like anything you poison, expect a violent reaction. And, there is no question we are poisoning the planet.
“No Question we are poisoning the planet.”
What a ludicrous comment. Climate Zealot/Green Religion at it’s finest.
We are polluting in some areas (the ocean/plastics). But we are definitely NOT “poisoning the planet”. By nearly every measure, the environment is better today in Western countries than it was 50 years ago.
You know why? Because our free market economy allows us the extra money to pay to protect the environment, unlike Cuba/Venezuela/China/India, etc.
90% of all the plastics going into the oceans come from 10 rivers. Guess where they all are? Asia and Africa.
Ban Straws! (back to Climate Church, Green Clowns).
Craig, I think there is a considerable effort to re-cycle plastics in this country. They end up being made into something else useful. Not so much with the rest of the world and they want us to pay for their clean up bills. Not going to happen. There is a new sheriff in town.
There is a problem with your statement.
The west does have a trash problem, and has relied on China for it. It’s not our free market solving it. Our markets have not been fully prepared for what to do as China starts rejecting trash. Really, China does indeed oppress it’s people into taking the trash and it is too much and harms their people. That’s one side of the problem. To my knowledge, we don’t really have a solution for the trash in the U.S. not a full one anyway.
I coincidentally was reading about this about a month ago. It’s kind of scary when you look into it.
“90% of all the plastics going into the oceans come from 10 rivers. Guess where they all are? Asia and Africa.”
So on this one, I’m betting a huge chunk of that trash still comes from the West.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/20/17484866/chinas-plastic-waste-import-ban-trash
Yeah, it’s quite a serious problem evidently.
Wow! Talk about making things up!
“By nearly every measure, the environment is better today in Western countries than it was 50 years ago.
You know why? Because our free market economy allows us the extra money to pay to protect the environment, unlike Cuba/Venezuela/China/India, etc.”
Laws, regulations and litigation caused polluters to recognize that continuing to pollute had significant costs that outweighed the short term gain of pollution. If you call that our free market economy, so be it.
Sounds wonderful. As if it were all free!
How about you and your Green Believers pay for extra gas taxes and leave the working class alone with your Religion.
Actually, climate models are getting better and better now. But still it is on average more likely that the temperatures and effects are worse than predicted rather than less severe. The article does little to highlight this fact.
Really, I think if we start to think about this rationally, we can see that keeping the global economy going in order to switch fuel from fossils to hydrogen (and batteries, maybe, if there is enough material) then we have a chance of preserving a half-decent society and some respect for ourselves, and maybe even the planet.
If we cripple ourselves in the process then we a) will still be consuming vast amounts of fossil fuels; whatever the calamity, and this will happen indefinitely because the world will not be able to agree to any rules, ever. Which leads us to the fact that we b) won’t have the money to move to hydrogen for industry, power generation, transport etc. And this, ultimately, is the only way we are going to survive.
We will all be dead, permanently, if the planet switches into a chaotic state and we never get to hydrogen. Many countries have already started; basically the hydrogen economy is the only economy that is going to survive.
In the old days you could not plant alfalfa in (cool) northern MI past August 15th or you were likely wasting your time now you can easily plant it in Sept and often have a good ‘catch.’ In fact August is often too hot to establish it
On Saturn there are high levels of CO 2 it gets up to 700 during the day
plant lots of trees I guess to use up the CO 2 the renewable resources will help some my problem is they blame/bill the USA while China/others spews all kinds of crap – but I guess they are installing scrubbers too now
Hay, I have not noticed any tree hugger groups planting trees. They seem to prefer Marijuana so they can stay in a continual stupor.
OK, deniers…then look at this. irrefutable that the ratio of carbon dioxide to oxygen is increasing. higher levels of carbon dioxide are due to burning fossil fuels and the felling of the forests, especially the rain forests. Trees breath carbon dioxide and excrete oxygen. Humans breath oxygen and give off carbon dioxide. If this trend continues…and it will…eventually we will all struggle to breathe. But you deniers don”t care…you just don’t want to pay more gas tax. Tell chump Trump and his GOP enablers to rescind the huge bonbon they gave the wealthy, do your part to rectify income inequality and there will be money to invest in non fossil fuel energy sources. OH, and by the way, we really are savaging our mother planet…ask the 25% of all living species that are threatened with extinction how they feel. Oh, I forgot, only humans…the one animal with higher brain power (allegedly)…get to kill and despoil everything and other living things…so you can have lower gas taxes. MAGNIFICENT. Why don’t you chain yourselves to a chair and binge watch BBC Planet Earth and Blue Planet series. Maybe you will come away more chastened and more open to trying to preserve old Terra before it is too late. .
Yeah, I’ve always heard the best way to convince someone that your thoughts and opinions were correct was to be condescending and insulting.
James, sounds like you heard the same lesson Craig did!
Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall. Nothing to the hoaxers agenda.
She could be driving an electric car (or carpooling, or using a bicycle) and using solar panels on her home. The rest of your post is suggesting she kill herself — I don’t even know why I’m responding intelligently to you right now.
“Cassandra- you could save that 25% threatened by extinction by jumping off the closest bridge … Do us a favor and just jump already.”
By not commenting on those lines, you have given your approval for posters here to tell others to go kill themselves.
Doesn’t matter if he was serious or joking – that type of comment has NO place on a professional website.
It’s disgusting that you felt the need to comment on my reply and not even touch on the poster who suggested someone else commit suicide.
edit:
“By not commenting on those lines, you have given your approval for posters here to tell others to go kill themselves.”
should’ve been “by not calling out the poster for commenting on those lines”
and
and “It’s disgusting that you felt the need to comment on my reply and not even touch on the poster who suggested someone else commit suicide.
should’ve been “not even admonish the poster who suggested”
You did speak to those lines, but gave them your seal of approval. That’s disturbing.
Cassandra’s Greatest Hit: ” . . . eventually we will all struggle to breath.”
Just awesome. I had no idea Climate Change would get us by suffocation.
You learn something new every day from the crazy Left! (sometimes I am glad they have no integrity.)
Now if they could just convince people that believe in global warming to stop flying and driving we could save the world.
Anyone think of sun spots and volcanos for anything? Of course not, it must be man’s fault all the way.
Agent,
We live in a world where there can be contributions from multiple sources. You must get out of this whataboutism mentality.
Agent’s comments are to this website what Kardashian articles are to People Magazine’s website.
Thanks for your well wishes, my righty friends. guess what…I don’t drive, I don’t fly and have invested in solar on my personal residence. I am making my yard into a natural wildlife habitat and using native plants trees and shrubs. I have mason bee plots and carpenter bee houses for my organic fruit orchard. My organic raised bed garden is blooming. And..oh yeah..I run a large dog rescue. All this from my own pocket…so yeah, I think I have a right to be just as condesending as Agent, Polar, Craig, et.al. are even when the discussion doesnt warrant politics. I notice no one commented on the worsening carbon dioxide/oxygen ratio. Guess thats too factual for you to pruittize. Are you proud that the vaunted deregulation of business includes allowing mines to dump stuff in streams that downriver people draw water from? are you proud that Pruitt rescinded stricter standards for air effluents on dirty coal mines? are you proud that pruitt rescinded ban on glyco herbicides that are known carcinogens? Are you proud that pruitt and zinke want to drill in the arctic refuge…one of the remaining few pristine areas left? , Are you proud that as pruitt slunk out of the EPA office his last act was to rescind the stricter controls on diesel truck emissions? Do the research on the damage particulate pollution causes…lung cancer, asthma, COPD, 21% of Alzheimer cases, dementia, autism, male infertility, other forms of dementia, premature death…read the research then come and tell me how condescending I am.
Not a thing wrong with drilling in ANWR. No one around for hundreds of miles and they do it safely. Drill baby drill and then sell the LPG to Europe who needs it rather than Putin’s oil.
Do you wear clothing, do you have furniture, do you have a house, are you totally off the grid, do you eat any food you don’t produce, you don’t drive, but are you drive, or do you only remain a couple of miles form where you live, any plastics in your household, appliances, do you have visitors? If so, you too are contributing. Perhaps not as much as hypocritical environmentalists Al Gore, the Kennedy Clan, Leo DiCaprio, etc. etc. But you’re contributing.
Only FOUR decades of data? Why so few? There is great variance in temp, CO2, CO, etc. stats over (only) 4 decades in regard to climate changes. So, greater noise in such stats leads to conclusions of suspect value. And, who decides on the ‘starting point’ or ‘average temp that is considered to be normal/ desirable’? The 4 decades of data may not include sufficient time periods to properly determine the ‘normal’ stats. Thus, this is just more cherry picking of data by ‘Global Climate Change Scientists’.
Disgraced scientists do not inspire trust in their conclusions.
Polar…scientists can tell gas ratios back thousands of years…they drill cores in arctic/antarctic and can measure all this. Read a scientific journal or watch documentaries instead of football and golf.
Let’s see. The Earth has been around for about 4,500,000,000 years. During that time the Earth has been much hotter and much colder than it is now, many, many times. Homo sapiens have been around for about 200,00 years or 0.0044% of the life of the planet. We’ve been burning significant amounts of fossil fuels and closely monitoring the weather/climate for about 100 years or 0.0000022% of the life of the planet. So with 0.0000022% of the information available about climate change, we got this down. It’s kinda like knowing all about what the center of the Earth is like by picking up a grain of sand off the beach.
What is the purpose of the argument? The only objection to the body of scientific evidence, accepted by most other countries, is profit or cost. The only objection to making changes in our behavior on the planet is profit or cost.
The likely outcome of ignoring the science is a dirty, polluted, unsafe planet. The only question is how long it will take to become too hostile to support “normal” life. If you want to amuse yourselves, you can discuss history since the ice age…which is totally irrelevant to us breathing now.