just end the damn shutdown and quit playing politics while the rest of us suffer the consequences. BOTH sides need to quit the grandstanding and start acting like ADULTS. God, I’m so sick of it.
In this case, it is more like 3 to tango. The R’s and the D’s in congress and the senate all came to an agreement, passed a bill, put it in front of the President, who was ready to sign it, and then at the last minute, for some reason chose not to.
Let us not forget that the only thing holding up the budget being passed is that there is not money for the border wall. The border wall we were promised Mexico would pay for. No fiscally conscious conservative should be in favor of this waste of funds. Man power and technology is what is needed. Without man power or technology a wall would be useless anyways. Home Depot is always having sales on ladders.
Fiscally conservative people are aware of ongoing welfare fraud due to Illegal Alien Trespasser Thieves of Taxpayer Dollars. Your other arguments are moot. The promise of ‘Mexico paying’ is now unimportant to taxpayers who would have to continue to pay taxes to fund welfare benefits of Illegal Alien Trespasser Thieves of Taxpayers dollars.
PS Trump made the ‘promise’ of Mexico paying for the Wall on the basis of PRIOR RECORDED statements of support by Nancy & Chucky. Taxpayers are upset that Nancy & Chucky lied to the public for POLITICAL GAIN…. i.e. won’t NOW honor their past promises / intentions.
It is amazing how easily the The Loyal are willing to accept altered reality and facts.
January 16, 2019 at 2:59 pm
Rosenblatt says:
Like or Dislike:
8
0
Trump – Sept 2013: “”If you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the president’s the leader…”
Trump – Sept 2013: “…”when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington.”
Trump – Nov 2013: “Leadership: Whatever happens, you’re responsible. If it doesn’t happen, you’re responsible.”
Trump – Dec 2018: ““We have to have a wall. … I will take the mantle of shutting it down. I will shut it down for border security”
Trump – Dec 2018: ““You know what I’ll say? ‘Yes, if we don’t get what we want…I will shut down the government.”
Trump – Dec 2018: ” “And I am proud to shut down the government for border securit…So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”
Polar Bear – Jan 2019: “why are Nancy & Schmucky willing to allow US citizens to CONTINUE to be raped, robbed (at gunpoint, and at ‘IRS-point via welfare fraud’), murdered, etc. ???”
Wonderful Jim Acosta of the Communist News Network was standing in front of the slatted steel wall in McAllen and said everything was peaceful and no crisis happening. Of course not. We have a wall there. He is being pilloried for that remark as he should be.
HA – the walls work in Israel? That’s why it’s been so peaceful there for thousands of years, right? And what about the numerous tunnels terrorists have successfully made to get into Israel? Are we just going to ignore that?
@Rosenblatt. THOUSANDS of years is a Straw Man argument. What’s been the situation AFTER the wall was built? Did Russian Commies build a wall to keep people out or in? Do Hollyweirdos and Dem politicians build walls around their homes to keep themselves in … or to keep creepy people out?
Those slats were shown to be sawed apart. There are ladders, tunnels, saws, and sledgehammers. The wall is a big waste, there are better ways to secure the border, which is what the Ds are saying. If it is a true emergency, shouldn’t it have been called already? Do you wait to call the fire department when your house is on fire? Do you wait to call 911 when someone isn’t breathing? Tramp is playing politics with his #Trampshutdown
Trump is not used to hearing the word “no” and this is a priority to him because it was one of his biggest campaign promises. He doesn’t want to appear weak to the conservative pundits who backed him. The Dems don’t want to budge because they can’t stand Trump.
BOTH sides need to come to the table and COMPROMISE. There is no doubt that illegal immigration is a problem, though not as extreme as Trump is making it and not to be taken as lightly as the Dems are taking it. Instead of offering the full $5.7 billion, why not offer $2 billion so he can build some of his wall and the other $3.7 billion can go to enhancing the security at the ports (where the majority of drugs come in to our country), and improving the E-Verify system to make its use MANDATORY for ALL employers, with heavy fines for those caught hiring illegal immigrants (even Trump’s clubs).
At the bare minimum, OPEN THE GOVERNMENT. This isn’t a reality show…people’s lives are being affected by those idiots playing politics.
If walls don’t work, why the hell did Obama and all the other Democrats waste all that money building a barrier from California to Texas?
What changed? Nothing. Trump got elected. Democrats are dishonest hypocrites, and Open Borders is the far left demand of Nancy and Chuck, and so suddenly you hear idiotic things that they never said 10 years ago.
I agree with you. Problem is this, President Trump had that meeting with Pelosi and Schumer televised. He became overly emotional and handed the Democrats a weapon to use against him. Why would they even consider funding the wall since it would give him his victory and remove a valuable sound bite in 2020, especially if the shutdown starts to slow down economic growth?
Both sides only play the political game to gain/maintain power and control. Until we the people decide we are sick of it and start electing more 3rd party candidates, it is our fault.
January 15, 2019 at 3:23 pm
Ohio Agent says:
Like or Dislike:
3
2
Agent, is it the walls that work in Israel and Jordan or the armed Israeli solders stationed along the wall every 100 or so feet?
as we know Pelosi refuses to fund the wall that she approved long ago, she is pitching a fit because she does not want America safe on Trumps watch. Hows that working for America?
if our borders are not secure nothing else matters.
as far as not getting paid, call Pelosi, as the house determins the bill, then sends to senate then sends to the president. Pelosi works for us, not her personal agenda of anger.
I feel for the workers, and Pelosi doesn’t care. she refuses to protect America at all costs.
I hope the president does this
1) calls national emergency to fund the wall, without obstruction from the left
2) then once that is started then President can start paying staff again and wages missed.
3) America will see that there is a way to fix problems even if you have a cry baby HOUSE.
but im afraid Pelosi will continue to obstruct and ask lawyers to stop the wall – wich is insanity.
Maybe its time to revamp our govt, sometimes when one door closes another one opens.
Pelosi and Schumer are clowns, not interested in protecting middle America one bit.
If only there was a time when the Republican’s had control of all three branches of government under Trump and he could’ve had a much easier path to getting in his wall funded. But alas, it’s always been the Democrats obstructing him for the past few years. (end sarcasm)
I definitely agree that it’s time to revamp our government!!!
Oh, yes. Remember when Obama promised Hispanics in 2008 that he would address immigration in his first year in office? And then he did nothing about immigration at all for 4 years
except his executive order on the “dreamers”.
And then in 2012, he told Hispanics he was sorry about not delivering on his promise, but if he got re-elected, then for SURE he would fix immigration.
I fail to see how Obama’s actions in 2008 and 2012 relate to Trump being unable to pass funding for his wall when the Republicans had control of all three branches of government.
Obama had all three branches of government in 2008 and 2009. He had promised Hispanic groups he would address immigration reform in his first year in office, which was 2008.
Can you see it now? Still foggy? (Man, you are such a partisan.)
January 14, 2019 at 2:04 pm
Rosenblatt says:
Like or Dislike:
10
2
Okay … so Obama failed to do something he promised. I get that. Heck, I am happy to acknowledge there are other times Obama failed to do what he promised (Gitmo never closed, did it?).
However, just because Obama failed to uphold his promises does not give Trump a pass when he fails to do the same, nor can blame be shifted to the Dem’s for the lack of wall funding when Trump had 2 years to get something passed while the R’s held majorities in all three branches of government.
January 14, 2019 at 2:50 pm
Craig Cornell says:
Like or Dislike:
5
10
Down here in San Diego, where a “wall” or border fence went up a long time ago, people know that they work. People near the border used to have migrants running through their back yards routinely. Crowds would often rush the border to overwhelm border security.
That all stopped when the fence went up.
Over the weekend, San Diegans were laughing at CNN (again).
CNN called a local news station (KUSI) and asked to put someone on the air to talk about the lack of effectiveness of the existing fence that runs from San Diego to Arizona.
When CNN heard that the journalists locally who know the issue best would talk about how effective the border fence was in stopping drugs and illegal immigration, CNN dropped the request.
January 14, 2019 at 3:08 pm
Rosenblatt says:
Like or Dislike:
8
2
Your post has nothing to do about what we were discussing: a President not being able to pass something he promised to do in spite of the President’s party holding all three branches of government.
Are you done talking about that ineptitude for Trump, Obama and any other President who failed with similar scenarios in play?
January 15, 2019 at 11:47 am
PolarBeaRepeal says:
Like or Dislike:
2
9
Trump counted on Nancy & Schmucky for support, based on their prior votes for a wall. So, why did he need to RUSH to get the wall funded?
So, a PERTINENT question is: why are Nancy & Schmucky willing to allow US citizens to CONTINUE to be raped, robbed (at gunpoint, and at ‘IRS-point via welfare fraud’), murdered, etc. ???
PS The 60 Senate votes rule applies to such a bill, not a 51 majority. Tell us how many US Senators were Republicans over 2017-2018.
January 15, 2019 at 1:24 pm
Rosenblatt says:
Like or Dislike:
8
1
How many times did Trump try to get funding for the wall when his party held all three branches of government? Why did he wait to dig his heels in the sand until after he lost one of those branches?
Walls are Immoral!! I am forming a protest group to go down to the border in San Diego and demand we tear down that horrible barrier between the US and Mexico from the ocean to Arizona.
In the interest of compassion and international comity, who is with me? Let’s GO!
C’mon, Down Voters. Where is your sense of humor? And common sense. The wall works, be honest with yourself. It isn’t perfect, but there is no such thing as perfect here. If there was, Dems. would offer it. Let’s talk to the guys working border security about whether the wall works. After all, they are the experts. (And you know what they are all going to say, now, don’t you?)
Gazillions of miles of freeway sound walls thanks to the D’s however, no border wall???
They are just importing voters and don’t give a damn about how open borders are ruining the country. I’m damn sick and tired of my continuing escalating taxes going towards freebies of all types for the illegals. The D’s just as well should wear Fidel & Che armbands. Walls aren’t immoral…..the lunacy of open borders is.
I wish I had an answer besides “nobody wants to negotiate because moving on their initial offer makes for bad optics.” They’re all still getting paid, so it’s not like they’re hurting because of the shutdown. What both groups are doing is disgusting. Although one side holds more than the other, each side holds negligence here.
The vast majority of illegals in this country are visa overstays, not people coming from Mexico. Regardless, funding the wall and opening the government should be two separate items. Open the government because it should be open, stop holding federal employees hostage. Then start negotiating on the wall and other security measures.
Oh, please. The Democrats could easily and rapidly come to a compromise: make the Dreamers citizens for border security. They could even trap Trump by coming up with a real plan that isn’t a wall: a specific, credible alternative for border security (instead of vague “technology walls” according to Nancy, whatever that means). But they don’t offer anything, even for the Dreamers.
And you think that AFTER re-opening the government the Dems. will offer something? HA HA HA. Turn off CNN for a minute and think for yourself about this. A majority of Americans believe we should have border security and the Democrats offer nothing specific on the issue. Now why is that?
We need a knowledgeable, experienced, respectful, honest and intelligent President who is interested in ALL people in the United States; and not who is distracted by his own personal “deals”.
There should be a law placed in force regarding ALL people entering into the USA without proper and legal documentation; but he should not cause everyone in the US to suffer because he campaigned on a LIE…”We will not pay for the WALL” !!!
just end the damn shutdown and quit playing politics while the rest of us suffer the consequences. BOTH sides need to quit the grandstanding and start acting like ADULTS. God, I’m so sick of it.
Hear hear. It takes two to tango.
In this case, it is more like 3 to tango. The R’s and the D’s in congress and the senate all came to an agreement, passed a bill, put it in front of the President, who was ready to sign it, and then at the last minute, for some reason chose not to.
Let us not forget that the only thing holding up the budget being passed is that there is not money for the border wall. The border wall we were promised Mexico would pay for. No fiscally conscious conservative should be in favor of this waste of funds. Man power and technology is what is needed. Without man power or technology a wall would be useless anyways. Home Depot is always having sales on ladders.
You’re right … it takes 3 to tango here: D’s, R’s & the President. If only two of those groups agree, the gov’t would still be shut down.
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
It is amazing how easily the The Loyal are willing to accept altered reality and facts.
Trump – Sept 2013: “”If you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the president’s the leader…”
Trump – Sept 2013: “…”when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington.”
Trump – Nov 2013: “Leadership: Whatever happens, you’re responsible. If it doesn’t happen, you’re responsible.”
Trump – Dec 2018: ““We have to have a wall. … I will take the mantle of shutting it down. I will shut it down for border security”
Trump – Dec 2018: ““You know what I’ll say? ‘Yes, if we don’t get what we want…I will shut down the government.”
Trump – Dec 2018: ” “And I am proud to shut down the government for border securit…So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”
Polar Bear – Jan 2019: “why are Nancy & Schmucky willing to allow US citizens to CONTINUE to be raped, robbed (at gunpoint, and at ‘IRS-point via welfare fraud’), murdered, etc. ???”
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Call Pelosi and Chucky Schmucky then. These walls/barriers work. They do in Israel and Jordan. They will work here as well.
HA – the walls work in Israel? That’s why it’s been so peaceful there for thousands of years, right? And what about the numerous tunnels terrorists have successfully made to get into Israel? Are we just going to ignore that?
@Rosenblatt. THOUSANDS of years is a Straw Man argument. What’s been the situation AFTER the wall was built? Did Russian Commies build a wall to keep people out or in? Do Hollyweirdos and Dem politicians build walls around their homes to keep themselves in … or to keep creepy people out?
Those slats were shown to be sawed apart. There are ladders, tunnels, saws, and sledgehammers. The wall is a big waste, there are better ways to secure the border, which is what the Ds are saying. If it is a true emergency, shouldn’t it have been called already? Do you wait to call the fire department when your house is on fire? Do you wait to call 911 when someone isn’t breathing? Tramp is playing politics with his #Trampshutdown
Trump is not used to hearing the word “no” and this is a priority to him because it was one of his biggest campaign promises. He doesn’t want to appear weak to the conservative pundits who backed him. The Dems don’t want to budge because they can’t stand Trump.
BOTH sides need to come to the table and COMPROMISE. There is no doubt that illegal immigration is a problem, though not as extreme as Trump is making it and not to be taken as lightly as the Dems are taking it. Instead of offering the full $5.7 billion, why not offer $2 billion so he can build some of his wall and the other $3.7 billion can go to enhancing the security at the ports (where the majority of drugs come in to our country), and improving the E-Verify system to make its use MANDATORY for ALL employers, with heavy fines for those caught hiring illegal immigrants (even Trump’s clubs).
At the bare minimum, OPEN THE GOVERNMENT. This isn’t a reality show…people’s lives are being affected by those idiots playing politics.
Just my take.
If walls don’t work, why the hell did Obama and all the other Democrats waste all that money building a barrier from California to Texas?
What changed? Nothing. Trump got elected. Democrats are dishonest hypocrites, and Open Borders is the far left demand of Nancy and Chuck, and so suddenly you hear idiotic things that they never said 10 years ago.
And you all know it is true.
Craig,
I agree with you. Problem is this, President Trump had that meeting with Pelosi and Schumer televised. He became overly emotional and handed the Democrats a weapon to use against him. Why would they even consider funding the wall since it would give him his victory and remove a valuable sound bite in 2020, especially if the shutdown starts to slow down economic growth?
Both sides only play the political game to gain/maintain power and control. Until we the people decide we are sick of it and start electing more 3rd party candidates, it is our fault.
Agent, is it the walls that work in Israel and Jordan or the armed Israeli solders stationed along the wall every 100 or so feet?
Thank you. I printed your comment and mailed copies to Nancy & Chuck. Let’s hope they come to their senses…. oh, wait! Never mind.
What could possibly go wrong … go wrong … go wrong …
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
If only there was a time when the Republican’s had control of all three branches of government under Trump and he could’ve had a much easier path to getting in his wall funded. But alas, it’s always been the Democrats obstructing him for the past few years. (end sarcasm)
I definitely agree that it’s time to revamp our government!!!
Oh, yes. Remember when Obama promised Hispanics in 2008 that he would address immigration in his first year in office? And then he did nothing about immigration at all for 4 years
except his executive order on the “dreamers”.
And then in 2012, he told Hispanics he was sorry about not delivering on his promise, but if he got re-elected, then for SURE he would fix immigration.
But it is all Trump’s fault.
I fail to see how Obama’s actions in 2008 and 2012 relate to Trump being unable to pass funding for his wall when the Republicans had control of all three branches of government.
Obama had all three branches of government in 2008 and 2009. He had promised Hispanic groups he would address immigration reform in his first year in office, which was 2008.
Can you see it now? Still foggy? (Man, you are such a partisan.)
Okay … so Obama failed to do something he promised. I get that. Heck, I am happy to acknowledge there are other times Obama failed to do what he promised (Gitmo never closed, did it?).
However, just because Obama failed to uphold his promises does not give Trump a pass when he fails to do the same, nor can blame be shifted to the Dem’s for the lack of wall funding when Trump had 2 years to get something passed while the R’s held majorities in all three branches of government.
Down here in San Diego, where a “wall” or border fence went up a long time ago, people know that they work. People near the border used to have migrants running through their back yards routinely. Crowds would often rush the border to overwhelm border security.
That all stopped when the fence went up.
Over the weekend, San Diegans were laughing at CNN (again).
CNN called a local news station (KUSI) and asked to put someone on the air to talk about the lack of effectiveness of the existing fence that runs from San Diego to Arizona.
When CNN heard that the journalists locally who know the issue best would talk about how effective the border fence was in stopping drugs and illegal immigration, CNN dropped the request.
Your post has nothing to do about what we were discussing: a President not being able to pass something he promised to do in spite of the President’s party holding all three branches of government.
Are you done talking about that ineptitude for Trump, Obama and any other President who failed with similar scenarios in play?
Trump counted on Nancy & Schmucky for support, based on their prior votes for a wall. So, why did he need to RUSH to get the wall funded?
So, a PERTINENT question is: why are Nancy & Schmucky willing to allow US citizens to CONTINUE to be raped, robbed (at gunpoint, and at ‘IRS-point via welfare fraud’), murdered, etc. ???
PS The 60 Senate votes rule applies to such a bill, not a 51 majority. Tell us how many US Senators were Republicans over 2017-2018.
How many times did Trump try to get funding for the wall when his party held all three branches of government? Why did he wait to dig his heels in the sand until after he lost one of those branches?
Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
C’mon, Down Voters. Where is your sense of humor? And common sense. The wall works, be honest with yourself. It isn’t perfect, but there is no such thing as perfect here. If there was, Dems. would offer it. Let’s talk to the guys working border security about whether the wall works. After all, they are the experts. (And you know what they are all going to say, now, don’t you?)
Gazillions of miles of freeway sound walls thanks to the D’s however, no border wall???
They are just importing voters and don’t give a damn about how open borders are ruining the country. I’m damn sick and tired of my continuing escalating taxes going towards freebies of all types for the illegals. The D’s just as well should wear Fidel & Che armbands. Walls aren’t immoral…..the lunacy of open borders is.
someone answer me this: WHY can’t they keep the government open while they’re out there playing politics? What would that hurt?
I wish I had an answer besides “nobody wants to negotiate because moving on their initial offer makes for bad optics.” They’re all still getting paid, so it’s not like they’re hurting because of the shutdown. What both groups are doing is disgusting. Although one side holds more than the other, each side holds negligence here.
The vast majority of illegals in this country are visa overstays, not people coming from Mexico. Regardless, funding the wall and opening the government should be two separate items. Open the government because it should be open, stop holding federal employees hostage. Then start negotiating on the wall and other security measures.
Oh, please. The Democrats could easily and rapidly come to a compromise: make the Dreamers citizens for border security. They could even trap Trump by coming up with a real plan that isn’t a wall: a specific, credible alternative for border security (instead of vague “technology walls” according to Nancy, whatever that means). But they don’t offer anything, even for the Dreamers.
And you think that AFTER re-opening the government the Dems. will offer something? HA HA HA. Turn off CNN for a minute and think for yourself about this. A majority of Americans believe we should have border security and the Democrats offer nothing specific on the issue. Now why is that?
We need a knowledgeable, experienced, respectful, honest and intelligent President who is interested in ALL people in the United States; and not who is distracted by his own personal “deals”.
There should be a law placed in force regarding ALL people entering into the USA without proper and legal documentation; but he should not cause everyone in the US to suffer because he campaigned on a LIE…”We will not pay for the WALL” !!!