Bill Would End Federal Criminal Penalties for Marijuana

By | February 11, 2019

  • February 11, 2019 at 11:27 am
    Rosenblatt says:
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    “It would also reduce barriers for legal marijuana businesses to get access to banking.”

    In addition to allowing robust testing of marijuana’s risks and benefits, and not just limited testing on a single low-potency strain, this is one major reason why marijuana needs to be removed from being listed as a Schedule One drug.

    • February 11, 2019 at 12:55 pm
      Honest Question says:
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      I agree that this should be the next step in the process, but do you think this will aid in reducing the black market for cannabis (and all the crime involved) or only worsen it?
      With the amount of federal taxing on top of the state taxes cannabis growers already face, I feel this will force small, honest farms to either shut down or sell since the cost of complying with the law may exceed overall profits. Small farmers should be rewarded for adhering to the law, not be run out of business.
      To me, this seems like it will only feed the black market and may cause more issues. A lot of these farms have been operating illegally, resorting to violence to ensure it stays that way, since cannabis was outlawed and will continue to do so now to evade the extra taxes/fees as well.

      • February 11, 2019 at 1:16 pm
        Rosenblatt says:
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        Well, there will always be a black market for marijuana no matter what laws change. If that is an increase or decrease in the market’s current levels, it’s tough to gauge on such limited data.

        If we solely look at places like Murder Mountain, there’s no doubt increased regulations that drive up legal prices will cause the black market to continue to be a viable solution for low-cost marijuana.

        If we look at places that didn’t have decades worth of illegal grow operations, it may be easier to break into the legal market since everyone is on the same playing field (you can grow 3 plants or 30 plants and the percentage of tax you pay to sell it legally is static).

        If we look at people who want to ensure they’re getting a quality product not treated with pesticides or similar types of chemicals, I think those people would be happy to spend more money to buy their product legally.

        To answer your question honestly — I don’t know. I realize the black market won’t go away, but I also think places that abide by the laws can still make a profit doing things on the up-and-up.

        • February 11, 2019 at 1:41 pm
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          True, it is likely wishful thinking to assume the black market would take a U-turn after legalizing cannabis, even federally. Some places will be easier than others and can hopefully stabilize the industry, relatively speaking, as a legal/profitable market. Regardless, it will take time and there will most likely be unforeseen consequences no matter which way the cookie crumbles.
          Thank you for your response, I appreciate your views on the matter.

          • February 11, 2019 at 2:19 pm
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            My pleasure HQ. I may not always agree with you, but if you source your data when asked, refrain from personal attacks, don’t put words in my mouth nor make straw man arguments, I’ll be happy to keep discussing and debating.

          • February 12, 2019 at 2:35 pm
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            I think both your assessments are accurate. However I think it would be expected that the black market would decrease significantly once there is full legalization. Using Oregon as an example, and how it operates it’s marijuana laws now, granted it is in a disaster currently, businesses are failing, it cannot export it’s product, but it is by far the cheapest option in the country because of the excess in competition. Once the barriers are removed the price will regulate and drop to be more consistent with that of the black market. the price may always be slightly higher, but convenience will outweigh the price difference at that point.

          • February 15, 2019 at 4:00 pm
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            Although not the same product I would think that there would be a relative comparison on black market sale of Marijuana and the black market sale of Liquor. Just look at the cots involved with black market liquor during prohibition and one would think that you would have your answer. Typically poor quality liquor at high prices under prohibition and during the years after although fairly high relative taxes still cheaper and higher quality.

            Sure there is still some black market but can you point me to the last time anyone you know had personally consume white lightning. No one I know of would even drink the stuff.

      • February 11, 2019 at 1:26 pm
        Honest Response says:
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        You almost surely nailed the correct variable: federal taxation. I have never understood the mantra, “Legalize and tax the **** out of it.” Look what happened to Eric Garner for selling cigarettes, which are heavily taxed by the feds. Bootlegging has experienced a comeback, too, thanks to absurdly high tax rates.

        Legalize it and drop the federal tax altogether or at least to a reasonable level.

  • February 11, 2019 at 1:20 pm
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    Wondering how this plays into traveling to Colorado and bringing it back to say Wisconsin where it is not legal.

    • February 11, 2019 at 2:21 pm
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      The black market in prohibition states will definitely see an increase, exactly from these types of actions, IMO.

      • February 11, 2019 at 5:51 pm
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        Not really answering my question. I do realize it was a bit vague. So, a little more specific.
        Lets say I drive to Colorado and buy for personal / medical use in a state that does not allow for. I end up getting pulled over in a state that it is not legal for a tail light / speeding what ever.
        Cop finds what I am transporting and does what? “.

        • February 11, 2019 at 6:05 pm
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          You will get arrested for possession of an illegal substance based on the laws in the state in which you’re pulled over. If you’re in a state that legalized it but are transporting illegally (say it’s in your unlocked glove box or trunk), you’d get fined. It’s the same as if you transported fireworks from a legal state to one where it’s illegal. The laws of the state you’re in is what’s applied. Not saying you are, but ignorance of the law in whichever state you’re in is not an excuse.

          • February 11, 2019 at 6:39 pm
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            Ignorance does not equal innocence.

          • February 12, 2019 at 7:57 am
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            Agreed – but if you bought something legally in one state (marijuana, fireworks, certain types of alcohol) and bring it to a state where it’s illegal, and you’re caught with it in the illegal state – you’re guilty of being in possession of an illegal item.

  • February 11, 2019 at 1:48 pm
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    • February 11, 2019 at 2:42 pm
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      If the majority of the black market stays intact after the full legalization of weed, I’m almost certain the farmers who are already not paying state taxes will not start paying more taxes. Do you think the government, or even the IRS, would step in then?
      Sounds ridiculous, but maybe tax evasion could be the way to bring these people to justice, even if justice is only a few years in prison and a small fine.

      • February 15, 2019 at 4:03 pm
        mr bob says:
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        As I recall that is what they got Al Capone on.

    • February 11, 2019 at 2:45 pm
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  • February 11, 2019 at 3:39 pm
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    You can take the “IJ” out of marijuana… by calling it pot, but you can’t take the marijuana legalization favoring articles out of the “IJ”.

    • February 11, 2019 at 4:12 pm
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      • February 11, 2019 at 5:06 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        No one is forcing you to read the articles. You choose to come out here.

        • February 12, 2019 at 1:16 pm
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          It’s sad that the cowards that moderate these sections don’t see any problem with Agent or Craig or their ilk. Unfortunately it speaks to their own political bias, but while these types may currently be the majority they are aging quickly and will soon be forgotten.

          • February 12, 2019 at 3:21 pm
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            The difference between right and wrong will never be forgotten.

          • February 12, 2019 at 9:01 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            You might want to check your Ark of History there, lefty. Over in Europe, they are going through the same rejection of liberal economic idiocy and PC babble that is being rejected here. Wise people predict a violent revolution in France. France!

            Talk to some young people in the USA. A majority can’t stand identity politics, the only thing holding Democrats together at this point.

          • February 12, 2019 at 10:13 pm
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            Surprise, your mention of “rejection of liberal blah blah blah” leaves out the rise of white nationalism. You once again ignore common sense so let’s go to the heart of it: You are a sad old lonely man.

          • February 13, 2019 at 8:41 am
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            @jerry; what is wrong with posting conservative opinions on a private, not public, comment board that regulates speech to the extent it is not offensive, etc.? (See terms of use at bottom of the page)

            You were probably taught by your teachers that free speech actually means free speech for liberals and censorship of conservatives.

            Please elaborate on how Conservatives broke board rules by making conservative comments.

  • February 12, 2019 at 4:11 pm
    Agent says:
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    FFA, you are right. We know right from wrong and people like Jerry and Planet don’t. I point them to Ecclesiastes 10:2.
    I wish you well up there on the frozen tundra of Wisconsin. Bet you are burning a bit of firewood this winter, much to the disdain of the New Green deal Dems.

    • February 12, 2019 at 5:32 pm
      helpingout says:
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      If you preach the bible and point people in its direction, you should follow it closer then you seem to think. You are passing judgment on others when the bible says you should not. Those that use your passage that about the wise man heart on the right does not correlate to the political spectrum.

      Disagreeing with people is healthy in a society, but using a passage from your own religion to justify your political affiliation is an odious method, Mike.

      Please do not use those things to further a illegitimate point you are trying to make. Please debate like an adult on this professional site.

      • February 12, 2019 at 10:18 pm
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        Helpingout, they’re trolls. You can’t expect them to make an actual rational argument or listen to reason. They’re trying to spout their biased agenda and will insult and deny anyone who points out their inconsistencies, straw man tactics, and outright lies. I’ve taken to just insulting them, and the cowardly Insurance Journal moderators who leave their trash on this board. You do you, though! It’s an insurance magazine, this person isn’t seriously pointing to the bible after the garbage he’s spouted today alone on this board.

        • February 13, 2019 at 1:32 pm
          craig cornell says:
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          People without ideas resort to Ad Hominem attacks? “Sad, old, lonely man.”

          You are pathetic, a third grade name caller who couldn’t come up with a decent liberal idea if your life depended on it. Because there ain’t one.

          “White Nationalism!” Oh, the Boogey Man! Tell me the percentage of the country made up with white nationalists, and please cite a respected source.
          Look in the mirror: Americans are rejecting your nonsense.

          • February 13, 2019 at 2:20 pm
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            Craig – you’re not helping yourself here trying to prove you aren’t a troll

      • February 13, 2019 at 8:59 am
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        @Jerry; please identify how Conservative opinions violate board rules. The IJ staff will be amused to see how you interpret their rules.

    • February 13, 2019 at 10:22 am
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      Been burning a bunch thats for sure. With the lay of the land up here, this 12″ + we got yesterday makes it difficult to get to the stack.Took me three hours to plow a path out of the driveway last night. My little John Deere once again got the job done. Nothing runs like a deere,

      Havent read much about the new green deal, but the source of it tells me not to bother. She isn’t making many friends thats for sure.

      That Dem / Muslim from Minn spewing that anti Jew crap, if she was a republican she would be gone already. Talk about a 2x standard. If it was an old white guy, he would be gone by now.

      Off topic, did you catch the new Football League last week end? I did miss it, but reviews in the news were positive. Gonna make sure I catch it this week end.

    • February 14, 2019 at 2:23 pm
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      Great, Agent – now follow up that Old Testament with a little of your New Testament – The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus. Too bad you didn’t meet Tammy Faye, first.

  • February 13, 2019 at 2:54 pm
    Craig Cornell says:
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    Rosenblatt criticizes me but not the spew of hate coming out of Jerry.

    Liberal Values!

    • February 13, 2019 at 3:10 pm
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      I didn’t realize I was an IJ monitor. What part of Jerry’s comment would you like me to criticize? Please quote him verbatim.

      • February 13, 2019 at 4:02 pm
        Craig Cornell says:
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        Let’s see if I can match Jerry’s shots: “cowards” “sad, lonely old man” “cowardly Insurance Journal monitors” “outright lies” “aging quickly and will soon be forgotten” “I’ve taken to just insulting them” . . . and that’s only in the comments on this one article!

        • February 13, 2019 at 4:16 pm
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          Jerry – We respectfully request that all commenters refrain from insults towards one another, avoid profanities and show respect for others at all times. If you or anyone else can’t make your point without insulting another person’s intelligence, morals, ethnicity, character or other trait, then please don’t post it. Those who engage in such behaviors ruin the forum experience for the majority who follow the rules of civil discourse.

          Is that better, Craig?

    • February 13, 2019 at 3:18 pm
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      You know what Craig – ignore my last post. Here’s a comment directed to Jerry (and you, among others)

      We respectfully request that all commenters refrain from insults towards one another, avoid profanities and show respect for others at all times. If you or anyone else can’t make your point without insulting another person’s intelligence, morals, ethnicity, character or other trait, then please don’t post it. Those who engage in such behaviors ruin the forum experience for the majority who follow the rules of civil discourse.

      • February 14, 2019 at 11:48 am
        Craig Cornell says:
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        Does that include you calling me a liar without proof?

        • February 15, 2019 at 9:09 am
          Rosenblatt says:
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          I don’t call people liars or hypocrites without proof. The last time I caught you lying was when you claimed you ONLY insult people if they insult you first. You claimed you NEVER insult someone first, yet in that same discussion, you insulted me when I had not insulted you.

  • February 13, 2019 at 3:19 pm
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    Some things never change…



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