Boy, that tight crack down on illegal pot growers and sellers is working fine. Oh wait, this was LEGAL product!
“In a recent Associated Press investigation, for example, a reporter in Los Angeles purchased five vape cartridges advertised as delivering smokable CBD, but lab testing showed two of them contained synthetic marijuana.”
Craig, you are correct, and this is why it is critical we have strict quality controls in place, like we do in the food industry, so these types of situations do not continue to arise. You can squeeze your eyelids together as tightly as you want and wish really, really hard this all just goes away, but you’d be sorely amiss. The exposure is here to stay, so we need to work on the risk management pieces in order to better handle the risk. Basically, HACCP should be in place for the MJ industry as it is for food. Heck, even animal feed manufacturers are required to be fully HACCP. Because the alternative is having synthetic crap peddled as something it is not. This is fraud and would negate coverage that could be afforded in the policy.
Liberal lawmakers will NEVER allow law enforcement in California to crack down on illegal pot to any significant degree. After you and all your buddies argued that marijuana convictions were SO unfair and outrageous, do you really think all your Pot Fan buddies in California are going to go Full Reefer Madness in reverse now? Seriously? You sending Dragnet out there to round up the illegal growers and sellers?
Of course not, especially not the illegal growers and sellers in minority communities. Be real with yourself.
(Do you know you speak nonsense or are you unaware?)
Generalized statements without any evidence or data to back them up. Kind of your thing. Considering you’ve ranted false claims about marijuana causing psychosis and addiction, are you sure you should be referencing “reefer madness”? I do not think you understand what that term means.
Aren’t you tired of being called out for your valid blatant misiinformation? I’m sure tired of seeing it. Maybe you wouldn’t be so angry if you actually did hit the bong.
You know exactly what you were doing just as I do. You have an admitted hatred of marijuana, all you care about is spreading anti-marijuana information, not actually discussing the article in any way or considering it’s impacts on the industry. You just want to attack and it’s childish and boring.
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Hey Polar, remember the last board where I called out your hypocrisy and you just stopped posting on it? Ever going to be a man and own up to your failures? I didn’t think so.
As to claiming he has spread NO mis-information:
Craig posted 5 links about the relationship between marijuana and psychosis, attributing a quote to one of the links claiming that the articles actually proved his argument. The quote he posted wasn’t featured in any of the links, and all 5 links actually refuted his claims.
Craig has repeatedly claimed that marijuana can be an addiction, without any evidence.
Craig has claimed that the state of California has never spent any money on anti-marijuana campaigns. They just spent $20m because of the current vaping scare.
So yes, Craig has spread misinformation. Nice try though, liar!
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There is seriously something wrong with you.
I never said California “never” spent any money and the “evidence” you provided had nothing to do with warning kids of the dangers of THC, which was the point.
I provided links to multiple credible sources about THC and addiction, including one that established physical addiction.
I posted 3 links from respected research, including one written up in the respected journal Science connecting THC with psychosis AND schizophrenia, including the famous study in Sweden that ruled out pre-conditions that would lead to schizophrenia.
Why are you so hateful and dishonest?
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LOL I’ve got the printout at home of you posting links and a BS quote, I’ll go ahead and link them after work, don’t you worry! As to the rest, did that article get shut down or did I just forget to go back and refute your swedesh study? I have a feeling the study you referenced from 1986 is BS, since literally no other information corroborates that. So far you’ve lied and made excuses for your lies multiple times, I’m willing to bet your response here isn’t entirely truthful since you have lost all credibility. Hateful, sure, dishonest? Never.
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ralph; BOTTING, and other means to censor conservative opinions is not related to insurance. Stay on topic.
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Craig; stoner’s inability to focus on the subject, or to make a coherent statement is related to their long-term stoning. Their fervent objections to Federal laws regarding pot are related to their prior arrests and convictions that remain on their records, impeding their search for jobs, and adversely affecting their lives in other ways.
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Yogi or whatever you’re calling yourself today–
Even YOU have to laugh at the hypocrisy of YOU telling someone to stay on topic and stick to insurance. That’s rich…aren’t you even just a little ashamed of your hypocrisy? You should be.
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So Polar that’s a no then, to being a man and admitting to your hypocritical behavior? Looks like a no. Seems pretty cowardly since you’ve been caught on multiple occasions by multiple people but oh well.
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I went off-topic because the posts above were off topic
YOU, Jon, are always off-topic, because you’re a brainwashed liberal troll.
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LOL weren’t you being a crybaby about people that just attack? You’re a hypocritical pathetic old fart, Polar :)
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From the article:
“The CLAIM Act may encourage more insurance players to enter the cannabis market, but until there’s significant historical claims data, Petrilli doesn’t see a big impact on premiums or the availability of insurance products – neither of which he believes favors consumers at this time.
“Until that risk is defined, having more players in the market is not going to guarantee lower premiums or bring more quality insurance products,” he said. “Until that risk is controlled, insurance companies are going to protect themselves with rates and premiums.” ”
The above CLEARLY states that the risks of selling marIJuana are currently unknown; i.e. they await claim data to better understand the risks of selling pot. Note; I am not saying this is exclusively focused on medical risks of selling pot, but rather, on ALL possible risks that may give rise to claims against the vendors. So, of course, it includes risks of medical problems that may arise much later; e.g. cerebral malfunctioning after a decade. Alternately, risks may include auto accidents due to excessive dosage and dispensing it to youths under the legal use age. So, absent claim data, NONE of the sources of risk of use of pot have currently been ruled out.
How about this from earlier on another page. Neither Jon or I are insulting you or even addressing you, but:
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All you ever do is complain, why are you here? Go whine on the donald reddit board or something?
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I didn’t need to go to the archive, you just did it today.
You started off fine, but then you swerved into the crazy. I get that the insurance industry wants more data on where the claims will be, but the idea that it would be cerebral malfunctioning after a decade is not supported by the literal decades of marijuana use. Your personal bias is negating your ability to tackle this issue with common sense and pragmatism.
Auto accidents are certainly a risk, and I understand the idea of not ruling out any potential liability options, but that’s why some carriers are currently tackling this and some aren’t. It is a little bit of a gamble, but all insurance has an element of gambling to it. Your data can only go so far, and everyone has had a perfect insured doing everything right that still had a blown-up ridiculous claim. Things happen, we just use what we can. While you’re sitting back and debating about marijuana, some of us are profiting off of the industry quite nicely.
Jon, why am I not surprised that you go home from the office with printed IJ comments to comb through to try to prove Craig wrong? You are seriously unstable and the most irritating commenter eve on this site and that is NOT because I think disagree with your liberal mindset. You’re a scary person.
It’s called print to PDF dude who even has a printer anymore LOL. And it’s not to prove him wrong, it’s to point out his own hypocrisy with things he literally has said. He contradicts himself and denies it, so it’s just easier to keep a quick PDF to point to later. I think you have a problem solely because you and I disagree politically. Your bias has allowed you to ignore the garbage from the right-wing posters on this site, because when it comes to it you don’t disagree. For those of us on the left, Craig, Polar and their ilk have been doing the exact behaviors you think of me for months. I’m merely a counterpoint, providing much needed balance. :) If they want to be loud A-words, I can be a louder, bigger A-word.
I still have NOT seen ANYTHING you discussed on insurance issues.
September 26, 2019 at 6:11 pm
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Scary!
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Really? Like that time we were discussing the economic impact of climate change on our industry and you posted out of nowhere ranting about Obama? You’re a hypocrite and a coward.
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Where are all of the cerebral malfunctioning retired NBA players at? Or snowboarders? Or how about the people you work with on a daily basis who you don’t even know smokes on a regular basis?
Why aren’t all baseball players alcoholics? Why isn’t every person who ever took opiods dead by now? Why doesn’t every football player get CTE?
After all, every retired NBA player has had a brain scan and done testing for cognitive ability at both the beginning and the end of their career to compare the difference? Inquiring minds want to know!
Truly, Kangaroo. Stop now. Your inability to reason is embarrassing.
Every football player does get CTE. We just can’t dissect their brains but the rates are well over 95%. Once again, you really like to distort facts into your argument. We call that lying around these parts. Your inability to show some honesty and integrity is pretty embarrassing I’d say.
Hey Craig, this is how you provide evidence to your argument.
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How are you even in insurance? You can’t even understand basic statistics.
The 111 brains tested were submitted because family members thought something was wrong, dufus.
For all of the players who showed no signs – the vast majority – nobody bothered to submit brain tissue after death for testing.
Get it yet? It wasn’t a “representative sample” of all players. Duh.
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Funny, since that’s the exact same question I posed at you on one of the other articles. We’re in an industry that requires critical thinking and yet you refuse to use simple logic to tackle these issues. You were just proven wrong and all you have to fall back onto is nonsense. Do you know any ACTUAL NFL players? Because I work with a retired NFL pro who is also consistent in the belief that they all have some degree of CTE. I’ve provided actual data as well as circumstantial experiential evidence, you’ve provided nothing. Are you as bad at your job as you are at defending your arguments?
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A) Not all baseball players drink and some who do, still do it moderately. Do I need to explain to you how one becomes addicted to alcohol or do you have that disease understood?
B) Some who are prescribed follow doctor’s orders, do not have an addictive personality, and destroy the remainder of their medication once they have finished their treatment.
C) I’ll defer to Jon on this one, seems like he has it down.
Any more brain busters or is it you who should stop now?
How many NBA players have damaged their brains with THC?
Let me know what your science tells you. Because the answer is truly that you have no idea. (You high again, Mr. Independent Christian?)
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Needless attacks without offering any actual data of value. Pathetic.
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Why narrow your search to NBA players? Snowboarders?
I know who cannot function and know their history. Non-stoners are still functioning at a high level. Stoners, not so much.
Tell us about the geniuses who snowboarded or play BB and I’ll show you people who made their living without using their brains as much as other professionals. It’s why they’re called ‘athletes’, not ‘scholars’ or ‘thinkers’ or ‘inventors’ or ‘innovators’.
LOL you’re a fool. Most of the ex NFL players I know are in finance. Shaq has his doctorate in economics. I know you like to think the world is so black and white that everyone who smokes weed is dumb, but the truth is a lot of us are clearly more intelligent than you dinosaurs who refuse to acknowledge things like fact and evidence. You’re pathetic.
Boy, that tight crack down on illegal pot growers and sellers is working fine. Oh wait, this was LEGAL product!
“In a recent Associated Press investigation, for example, a reporter in Los Angeles purchased five vape cartridges advertised as delivering smokable CBD, but lab testing showed two of them contained synthetic marijuana.”
Whatever, man. Pass the bong.
Craig, you are correct, and this is why it is critical we have strict quality controls in place, like we do in the food industry, so these types of situations do not continue to arise. You can squeeze your eyelids together as tightly as you want and wish really, really hard this all just goes away, but you’d be sorely amiss. The exposure is here to stay, so we need to work on the risk management pieces in order to better handle the risk. Basically, HACCP should be in place for the MJ industry as it is for food. Heck, even animal feed manufacturers are required to be fully HACCP. Because the alternative is having synthetic crap peddled as something it is not. This is fraud and would negate coverage that could be afforded in the policy.
Delusional drivel.
Liberal lawmakers will NEVER allow law enforcement in California to crack down on illegal pot to any significant degree. After you and all your buddies argued that marijuana convictions were SO unfair and outrageous, do you really think all your Pot Fan buddies in California are going to go Full Reefer Madness in reverse now? Seriously? You sending Dragnet out there to round up the illegal growers and sellers?
Of course not, especially not the illegal growers and sellers in minority communities. Be real with yourself.
(Do you know you speak nonsense or are you unaware?)
Generalized statements without any evidence or data to back them up. Kind of your thing. Considering you’ve ranted false claims about marijuana causing psychosis and addiction, are you sure you should be referencing “reefer madness”? I do not think you understand what that term means.
Some more info for those curious. I will say I have never bought any of these products and they all look super shady.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/16/dangerous-street-drugs-found-in-some-cbd-products/
Aren’t you tired of being called out for your valid blatant misiinformation? I’m sure tired of seeing it. Maybe you wouldn’t be so angry if you actually did hit the bong.
Whoa, dude. Chill. Rub some CBD on your head. I just cited what the article said. Attack them.
You know exactly what you were doing just as I do. You have an admitted hatred of marijuana, all you care about is spreading anti-marijuana information, not actually discussing the article in any way or considering it’s impacts on the industry. You just want to attack and it’s childish and boring.
Facts, please. What did I say that was not factually correct, according the article?
(Prediction: more ad hominem hate and from the tolerant lefty. More fact-free drivel.)
Are you going to respond to the blatant error pointed out by Craig or attack him because he doesn’t support stoning? Legal minds want to know.
Further, Craig has spread NO mis-information about marIJuana. That was done by stoners who say it is harmless.
na na na na na na na na, na na na na na na na na, BOTman!!!
Hey Polar, remember the last board where I called out your hypocrisy and you just stopped posting on it? Ever going to be a man and own up to your failures? I didn’t think so.
As to claiming he has spread NO mis-information:
Craig posted 5 links about the relationship between marijuana and psychosis, attributing a quote to one of the links claiming that the articles actually proved his argument. The quote he posted wasn’t featured in any of the links, and all 5 links actually refuted his claims.
Craig has repeatedly claimed that marijuana can be an addiction, without any evidence.
Craig has claimed that the state of California has never spent any money on anti-marijuana campaigns. They just spent $20m because of the current vaping scare.
So yes, Craig has spread misinformation. Nice try though, liar!
There is seriously something wrong with you.
I never said California “never” spent any money and the “evidence” you provided had nothing to do with warning kids of the dangers of THC, which was the point.
I provided links to multiple credible sources about THC and addiction, including one that established physical addiction.
I posted 3 links from respected research, including one written up in the respected journal Science connecting THC with psychosis AND schizophrenia, including the famous study in Sweden that ruled out pre-conditions that would lead to schizophrenia.
Why are you so hateful and dishonest?
LOL I’ve got the printout at home of you posting links and a BS quote, I’ll go ahead and link them after work, don’t you worry! As to the rest, did that article get shut down or did I just forget to go back and refute your swedesh study? I have a feeling the study you referenced from 1986 is BS, since literally no other information corroborates that. So far you’ve lied and made excuses for your lies multiple times, I’m willing to bet your response here isn’t entirely truthful since you have lost all credibility. Hateful, sure, dishonest? Never.
ralph; BOTTING, and other means to censor conservative opinions is not related to insurance. Stay on topic.
Craig; stoner’s inability to focus on the subject, or to make a coherent statement is related to their long-term stoning. Their fervent objections to Federal laws regarding pot are related to their prior arrests and convictions that remain on their records, impeding their search for jobs, and adversely affecting their lives in other ways.
Yogi or whatever you’re calling yourself today–
Even YOU have to laugh at the hypocrisy of YOU telling someone to stay on topic and stick to insurance. That’s rich…aren’t you even just a little ashamed of your hypocrisy? You should be.
So Polar that’s a no then, to being a man and admitting to your hypocritical behavior? Looks like a no. Seems pretty cowardly since you’ve been caught on multiple occasions by multiple people but oh well.
I went off-topic because the posts above were off topic
YOU, Jon, are always off-topic, because you’re a brainwashed liberal troll.
LOL weren’t you being a crybaby about people that just attack? You’re a hypocritical pathetic old fart, Polar :)
From the article:
“The CLAIM Act may encourage more insurance players to enter the cannabis market, but until there’s significant historical claims data, Petrilli doesn’t see a big impact on premiums or the availability of insurance products – neither of which he believes favors consumers at this time.
“Until that risk is defined, having more players in the market is not going to guarantee lower premiums or bring more quality insurance products,” he said. “Until that risk is controlled, insurance companies are going to protect themselves with rates and premiums.” ”
The above CLEARLY states that the risks of selling marIJuana are currently unknown; i.e. they await claim data to better understand the risks of selling pot. Note; I am not saying this is exclusively focused on medical risks of selling pot, but rather, on ALL possible risks that may give rise to claims against the vendors. So, of course, it includes risks of medical problems that may arise much later; e.g. cerebral malfunctioning after a decade. Alternately, risks may include auto accidents due to excessive dosage and dispensing it to youths under the legal use age. So, absent claim data, NONE of the sources of risk of use of pot have currently been ruled out.
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Okay, Clown Boy: here are the facts on that.
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Partisan . . . Hack.
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real: Captain Planet is a well-known partisan hack, a dishonest person, a clown.
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Cut the Bias: man, you are one blabby dude. Hard to even read all that nonsense.
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And my point is confirmed by confused! Thanks, third grader!
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You are such a partisan hack, making foolish comments almost exclusively:
How about this from earlier on another page. Neither Jon or I are insulting you or even addressing you, but:
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All you ever do is complain, why are you here? Go whine on the donald reddit board or something?
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I didn’t need to go to the archive, you just did it today.
Craig you might need to go jump in the pool cuz YA BURNT
Craig;
Capt Platitude is an archivist of everything but his own insults and off-topic comments.
You started off fine, but then you swerved into the crazy. I get that the insurance industry wants more data on where the claims will be, but the idea that it would be cerebral malfunctioning after a decade is not supported by the literal decades of marijuana use. Your personal bias is negating your ability to tackle this issue with common sense and pragmatism.
Auto accidents are certainly a risk, and I understand the idea of not ruling out any potential liability options, but that’s why some carriers are currently tackling this and some aren’t. It is a little bit of a gamble, but all insurance has an element of gambling to it. Your data can only go so far, and everyone has had a perfect insured doing everything right that still had a blown-up ridiculous claim. Things happen, we just use what we can. While you’re sitting back and debating about marijuana, some of us are profiting off of the industry quite nicely.
Jon, why am I not surprised that you go home from the office with printed IJ comments to comb through to try to prove Craig wrong? You are seriously unstable and the most irritating commenter eve on this site and that is NOT because I think disagree with your liberal mindset. You’re a scary person.
It’s called print to PDF dude who even has a printer anymore LOL. And it’s not to prove him wrong, it’s to point out his own hypocrisy with things he literally has said. He contradicts himself and denies it, so it’s just easier to keep a quick PDF to point to later. I think you have a problem solely because you and I disagree politically. Your bias has allowed you to ignore the garbage from the right-wing posters on this site, because when it comes to it you don’t disagree. For those of us on the left, Craig, Polar and their ilk have been doing the exact behaviors you think of me for months. I’m merely a counterpoint, providing much needed balance. :) If they want to be loud A-words, I can be a louder, bigger A-word.
I still have NOT seen ANYTHING you discussed on insurance issues.
Scary!
Really? Like that time we were discussing the economic impact of climate change on our industry and you posted out of nowhere ranting about Obama? You’re a hypocrite and a coward.
Where are all of the cerebral malfunctioning retired NBA players at? Or snowboarders? Or how about the people you work with on a daily basis who you don’t even know smokes on a regular basis?
Why aren’t all baseball players alcoholics? Why isn’t every person who ever took opiods dead by now? Why doesn’t every football player get CTE?
After all, every retired NBA player has had a brain scan and done testing for cognitive ability at both the beginning and the end of their career to compare the difference? Inquiring minds want to know!
Truly, Kangaroo. Stop now. Your inability to reason is embarrassing.
Flawed logic says what?
Every football player does get CTE. We just can’t dissect their brains but the rates are well over 95%. Once again, you really like to distort facts into your argument. We call that lying around these parts. Your inability to show some honesty and integrity is pretty embarrassing I’d say.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/football/nfl-cte.html
Hey Craig, this is how you provide evidence to your argument.
How are you even in insurance? You can’t even understand basic statistics.
The 111 brains tested were submitted because family members thought something was wrong, dufus.
For all of the players who showed no signs – the vast majority – nobody bothered to submit brain tissue after death for testing.
Get it yet? It wasn’t a “representative sample” of all players. Duh.
Funny, since that’s the exact same question I posed at you on one of the other articles. We’re in an industry that requires critical thinking and yet you refuse to use simple logic to tackle these issues. You were just proven wrong and all you have to fall back onto is nonsense. Do you know any ACTUAL NFL players? Because I work with a retired NFL pro who is also consistent in the belief that they all have some degree of CTE. I’ve provided actual data as well as circumstantial experiential evidence, you’ve provided nothing. Are you as bad at your job as you are at defending your arguments?
A) Not all baseball players drink and some who do, still do it moderately. Do I need to explain to you how one becomes addicted to alcohol or do you have that disease understood?
B) Some who are prescribed follow doctor’s orders, do not have an addictive personality, and destroy the remainder of their medication once they have finished their treatment.
C) I’ll defer to Jon on this one, seems like he has it down.
Any more brain busters or is it you who should stop now?
How many NBA players have damaged their brains with THC?
Let me know what your science tells you. Because the answer is truly that you have no idea. (You high again, Mr. Independent Christian?)
Needless attacks without offering any actual data of value. Pathetic.
Why narrow your search to NBA players? Snowboarders?
I know who cannot function and know their history. Non-stoners are still functioning at a high level. Stoners, not so much.
Tell us about the geniuses who snowboarded or play BB and I’ll show you people who made their living without using their brains as much as other professionals. It’s why they’re called ‘athletes’, not ‘scholars’ or ‘thinkers’ or ‘inventors’ or ‘innovators’.
LOL you’re a fool. Most of the ex NFL players I know are in finance. Shaq has his doctorate in economics. I know you like to think the world is so black and white that everyone who smokes weed is dumb, but the truth is a lot of us are clearly more intelligent than you dinosaurs who refuse to acknowledge things like fact and evidence. You’re pathetic.