Oh, c’mon. Jon and Captain Kangaroo and others have inferred that pot is safe many times. You know, NBA stars and all. (although Kangaroo says he will warn his kids about something about pot for some reason . . .)
I don’t think you understand anything you just posted above, but I will humor you a little bit on this, as I know you don’t have a lot of critical thinking in this space.
1. Cannabis is safe for the consumption of adults over the age of 21
2. Cannabis can have long term negative consequences to the developing brain in both children and the fetus in pregnant women
3. It can cause psychosis in first time smokers and those who have a predisposition to neurological diseases like bi polar disorder and schizophrenia
4. There have been many famous athletes, scientists, and just people throughout history that have used cannabis responsibly
5. Intoxicated driving is similar to drunk driving (slightly better drivers than drunk) and those who partake should refrain from driving for up to 4 hours
6. People have posted this before and even more, but you don’t care, you just want to push misinformation to try and bolster your points.
7. We need more regulations and the federal government can help with this, and we should tax cannabis a heck of a lot so it can pay for additional studies
8. We need the government to back a device that is similar to a breathalyzer, there are currently 3 in testing right now and 1 is almost vetted by police stations for an on the spot indication of intoxicated riving, but this needs to be tested more
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Should I keep going on this, or can we agree that this was a step in the right direction and that there are already campaigns in most states with medical and recreational pot that signal to people the dangers (the driving while high, similar to drunk driving ads that I hear constantly).
I will add one caveat that when I say safe, it is almost like having one drink is safe if you are responsible, now if you binge drink every day, you are not being safe and responsible.
Man, are you with the Cannabis Trade Association? Good job.
P.S. THC is NOT safe for the mentally ill ever. It is NOT safe even in small doses for adults who get addicted to it. It is NOT safe for frequent use for people who want to maintain a high level of verbal and mental ability into their later years, according to all of the science to date.
And it can cause schizophrenia in adults where there is NO preconditions, no genetic precursors and NO family history of schizophrenia, according to the famous Swedish study of people entering the military.
And it can especially cause schizophrenia in people with preconditions (most of whom have no idea they have the genetic predisposition for schizophrenia and most of whom would never have become schizophrenic without THC in their lives).
But otherwise, not bad.
September 27, 2019 at 4:27 pm
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Those points are actually unfounded Craig, but good try. Again it does affect the brain long term for children who are exposed first hand (smoking themselves or their mom when in the fetus). I actually indicated it is not safe for the mentally ill that have a disease that can cause psychosis. The addiction part are for those who have a predisposition to addiction, but also the rates for addiction are a lot less than addiction with alcohol, so why can adults choose to drink, but not smoke in all states?
It cannot cause schizophrenia in adults with no predisposition, that has not been proven, and your links indicated that there is a slight (very very slight) correlation that they haven’t dug into yet, but let’s just forget that part right?
I understand your personal (family) vendetta, but stop trying to misinform people. You do it the most on these threads.
Boring. I posted the links to the science to back up EVERYTHING I said multiple times. NO, you do not need a precondition for schizophrenia and most people don’t know if they have one or not anyway, so the risk is the same. Permanent schizophrenia where none would happen without THC. A horrible outcome.
And yes, depression counts as mental illness and suicide rates for THC consumers are FAR higher than for the rest of society.
And you left out violence as a concern, since states that legalized pot for fun are reporting dramatic spikes in violence from THC consuming males, usually against females. It seems when people become paranoid and/or psychotic, they have a greater likelihood of becoming violent (MeToo, anyone?)
P.S. helpingout is a woman, Jon, you pathetic sexist.
September 27, 2019 at 6:33 pm
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LOL you mad Craig? Poor little baby get offended? awwwww. You have posted zero links on this site, and as mentioned numerous times you have repeatedly posted links you CLAIM back up your argument when they in fact refute it. So yes, you need to post links to what you’re stating, because it’s been proven that you will lie about your evidence. You have downright posted links claiming they say one thing when they say another. It’s getting old pointing this out. Second, no, permanent schizophrenia where none would happen without THC isn’t even a myth, it’s a lie. There is zero evidence to back your claim up.
Once again, correlation is not causation. Nice try though.
Prove your thoughts on violence with some data, before that it’s just noise. Your conjecture is generally pointless since you make things up and have been caught numerous times. The attempt to drag MeToo into this just shows your age and lack of understanding, it’s pathetic.
I didn’t realize that, my bad helpingout.
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If you were a fair minded and honest person, here is what you would acknowledge: I don’t insult people until AFTER they insult me first. Go back and look at those comments and what preceeded them.
When someone disagrees with me respectfully, I follow suit.
You see? Civility requires two dance partners. Try it for once.
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The level of hypocrisy in you is simply amazing, Craig. Do you even hear yourself?
I said it can be used moderately and responsibly. I never once called it “safe”. As with any intoxicant, there can be consequences. My point about the NBA is 80% of NBA professionals use. And, I am showing there is a scientific sample for all the mental and physical health issues you and some others have squawked about. I don’t see those being remotely an issue, let alone widespread, in the NBA community. Do you?
Did you test the cognition of the NBA players before and after they started using? No. Did you ask if the ones who abused women were high when they did? No. You know nothing about NBA players.
THC consumption in the African American community is estimated at between 40% and 70% of all adults, and a much higher percentage of under age African Americans consume than do white kids. Think that’s good for equality, Mr. Independent?
Where are all your liberal friends to warn them? Oh, wait. You think this is a GOOD thing for black Americans. Never mind.
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If you really want to bring up cultural differences how about that the vast majority of serial killers tend to be white men? I can point out fun facts too Craig! Though yours I still doubt as being accurate until I see the data, because as noted numerous times, you lie.
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Care to answer my question or just do more goalpost shifting by asking yours?
October 1, 2019 at 2:43 pm
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Craig- in your earlier post you mentioned that you “posted the links to the science to back up EVERYTHING”. That’s hilarious. Aren’t you the same person that constantly/consistently try and debunk climate change science and all the associated links that those have posted to refute your position?…Now your links that back up your opinion are good as gold.. Damn you are good for a laugh.
Oh yeah, totally, everyone is just saying it’s just as harmless as other drugs, and you won’t say which regulations make sense for it, and don’t draw any limitations whatsoever.
I’ve gone over potential limitations. No one here commented. You guys only comment when you want to claim you’re not saying it is safe, (which isn’t true, you’re beating around the bush on this you wouldn’t want it legalized if it was unsafe) or when someone on the right claims it is dangerous, and you want to say it’s not.
Every time you say this it is dishonest debate to shut down the right here. We know you don’t find the drug dangerous. Be honest about that fact and debate it. Or otherwise, point out the regulations you agree with. If it’s an unsafe drug, it needs them.
It is more dishonest to say those here have been saying people on here have been saying it is totally safe. That is not true, and by you saying that is just dishonest Bob. We have gone over many times the good and bad with cannabis. I even posted a whole thing above on this.
I haven’t seen your limitations on cannabis, but if it is similar to alcohol laws and implementation then we would probably agree, but if it is not, then I would love to see what you have to say and as to why they are different.
By saying that everyone here is saying cannabis is safe is again dishonest, we have posted multiple times there are some dangers, especially with developing brains, and if you do not believe me look at my post above. I have stated all of those things multiple times for Craig.
Craig’s assertion that crime goes up because of THC is semi true as it does have a slight impact on the community and crime, but it is still not nearly as dangerous as alcohol. I think one issue is that Craig, agent, and Polar constantly post false and/or misleading information. They do this by stating there is cause and effect relationship, when many of the times it could be a correlation (most of the times very slight). Again for those of you who do not know… correlation does not equal causation.
One issue I can see with your reply bob is that some people say that it is safe for adults, and for most adults that is true. There are a few people who should refrain from the use of cannabis, but if they choose to (just like they shouldn’t drink if they have a neurological disease bi-polar or schizophrenia) I don’t know what we can do for that just like I don’t know what we can do for alcohol and those same people.
I insure legal dispensaries in FL and what is in place right now is VERY dangerous for both the patients and the stores. Sick patients have to carry cash into the store to get their medication making them an easy target for criminals, and the stores have to carry large duffle bags of cash to the banks each day, making them a VERY easy target. They have armed security guards inside and outside their stores. Amazed there haven’t been any deaths associated with this yet.
Thanks for sharing a first hand account of the perils I’ve heard about the current marijuana banking laws. Hopefully the SAFE act will clear all the governmental hurdles and be signed into law
I’d still like to see a tax added to pot (even alcohol) that goes towards nothing but the national deficit. Adding a dime for each six pack, or a quarter per Keg, would help. Same for pot. If you are already paying $30, is paying $30.50 going to deter you? Probably not. From what I have read online, and know of my friends, pot is a pretty popular thing. It’s going to be legal everywhere someday, so why not tax it just a bit more and help out the country. Then everyone gets something out of it, regardless of how they feel about it being legal. It can benefit us all in some way, whether it’s by smoking it or by helping Social Security to be around for those that need it in another twenty years.
This, but I’ll fully agree that there are issues with the pricing model, at least in California, so far. Right now the market is still leveling out, so I know for example in my area at least when the recreational dispensaries opened, you were paying roughly $50 for a 3.5g bag of marijuana. It was supremely high quality, but this was then before taxes, and with local excise taxes you could be paying $68 for that bag. For comparison, most people knew someone that would be able to offer a very similar bag for $35-40 flat, and usually in excess of 3.5g weight.
Things have adjusted slightly now, to where you can purchase top-shelf still for those prices, but there are still objectively strong strains in the $30-35 range, even with taxes. Consumers had difficulty flocking to the dispensaries because the prices were so high, but now that they’ve started to leveled out a bit there is ALWAYS a line at my local dispensary. The dispensaries themselves are making money hand over fist either way, but it’s almost like the regulation that passed didn’t actually factor in what people are paying/willing to pay for marijuana. You can tax the heck out of it, but you can’t tax it to being more expensive than just knowing a guy from Humboldt.
Makes sense Jon. I’m not up to date on what people pay for pot now. I couldn’t even tell you how much is a normal price. When I was a kid, it was $2 for a big fat joint and $1 for a “pinner” that turned out to usually be parsley. I think a dime-bag was $30. It never dawned on me to ask how much was in a dime-bag. Yeah, can’t tax it if it’s already a much higher price. If it’s close, maybe. For some reason I was thinking the legal stuff was cheaper than the illegal variety. Maybe the Govt. can set up homemade cookie booths outside the dispensary and make a fortune that way? I saw online where a Girl Scout did that in Colorado a couple years back. Smart girl!
Also, that’s based on California I should say. When I lived in Florida access was a lot different, you could get a lot more for a lot cheaper but the quality level was shockingly lower. People in California wouldn’t even bother with what we smoked in Florida, but there is more of a culture towards rolling joints and blunts there than here. As legalization hits and access to higher quality marijuana is more frequent, I’m actually interested to see how a state like Florida reacts. Will someone like my brother who’s used to paying $20 for a bag that he can roll into multiple blunts want to spend $40 on a high quality bag meant to be used with a water pipe? Since if you’re rolling blunts, a $40 bag will last you maybe two or three, and you would get wrecked by smoking that blunt.
It’s about time
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Nobody is saying marijuana is safe.
Oh, c’mon. Jon and Captain Kangaroo and others have inferred that pot is safe many times. You know, NBA stars and all. (although Kangaroo says he will warn his kids about something about pot for some reason . . .)
I don’t think you understand anything you just posted above, but I will humor you a little bit on this, as I know you don’t have a lot of critical thinking in this space.
1. Cannabis is safe for the consumption of adults over the age of 21
2. Cannabis can have long term negative consequences to the developing brain in both children and the fetus in pregnant women
3. It can cause psychosis in first time smokers and those who have a predisposition to neurological diseases like bi polar disorder and schizophrenia
4. There have been many famous athletes, scientists, and just people throughout history that have used cannabis responsibly
5. Intoxicated driving is similar to drunk driving (slightly better drivers than drunk) and those who partake should refrain from driving for up to 4 hours
6. People have posted this before and even more, but you don’t care, you just want to push misinformation to try and bolster your points.
7. We need more regulations and the federal government can help with this, and we should tax cannabis a heck of a lot so it can pay for additional studies
8. We need the government to back a device that is similar to a breathalyzer, there are currently 3 in testing right now and 1 is almost vetted by police stations for an on the spot indication of intoxicated riving, but this needs to be tested more
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Should I keep going on this, or can we agree that this was a step in the right direction and that there are already campaigns in most states with medical and recreational pot that signal to people the dangers (the driving while high, similar to drunk driving ads that I hear constantly).
I will add one caveat that when I say safe, it is almost like having one drink is safe if you are responsible, now if you binge drink every day, you are not being safe and responsible.
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Those points are actually unfounded Craig, but good try. Again it does affect the brain long term for children who are exposed first hand (smoking themselves or their mom when in the fetus). I actually indicated it is not safe for the mentally ill that have a disease that can cause psychosis. The addiction part are for those who have a predisposition to addiction, but also the rates for addiction are a lot less than addiction with alcohol, so why can adults choose to drink, but not smoke in all states?
It cannot cause schizophrenia in adults with no predisposition, that has not been proven, and your links indicated that there is a slight (very very slight) correlation that they haven’t dug into yet, but let’s just forget that part right?
I understand your personal (family) vendetta, but stop trying to misinform people. You do it the most on these threads.
Helpingout, exemplary posts sir.
A refreshingly well thought out post. thank you!
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LOL you mad Craig? Poor little baby get offended? awwwww. You have posted zero links on this site, and as mentioned numerous times you have repeatedly posted links you CLAIM back up your argument when they in fact refute it. So yes, you need to post links to what you’re stating, because it’s been proven that you will lie about your evidence. You have downright posted links claiming they say one thing when they say another. It’s getting old pointing this out. Second, no, permanent schizophrenia where none would happen without THC isn’t even a myth, it’s a lie. There is zero evidence to back your claim up.
Once again, correlation is not causation. Nice try though.
Prove your thoughts on violence with some data, before that it’s just noise. Your conjecture is generally pointless since you make things up and have been caught numerous times. The attempt to drag MeToo into this just shows your age and lack of understanding, it’s pathetic.
I didn’t realize that, my bad helpingout.
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If you were a fair minded and honest person, here is what you would acknowledge: I don’t insult people until AFTER they insult me first. Go back and look at those comments and what preceeded them.
When someone disagrees with me respectfully, I follow suit.
You see? Civility requires two dance partners. Try it for once.
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The level of hypocrisy in you is simply amazing, Craig. Do you even hear yourself?
I said it can be used moderately and responsibly. I never once called it “safe”. As with any intoxicant, there can be consequences. My point about the NBA is 80% of NBA professionals use. And, I am showing there is a scientific sample for all the mental and physical health issues you and some others have squawked about. I don’t see those being remotely an issue, let alone widespread, in the NBA community. Do you?
Did you test the cognition of the NBA players before and after they started using? No. Did you ask if the ones who abused women were high when they did? No. You know nothing about NBA players.
THC consumption in the African American community is estimated at between 40% and 70% of all adults, and a much higher percentage of under age African Americans consume than do white kids. Think that’s good for equality, Mr. Independent?
Where are all your liberal friends to warn them? Oh, wait. You think this is a GOOD thing for black Americans. Never mind.
If you really want to bring up cultural differences how about that the vast majority of serial killers tend to be white men? I can point out fun facts too Craig! Though yours I still doubt as being accurate until I see the data, because as noted numerous times, you lie.
Care to answer my question or just do more goalpost shifting by asking yours?
Craig- in your earlier post you mentioned that you “posted the links to the science to back up EVERYTHING”. That’s hilarious. Aren’t you the same person that constantly/consistently try and debunk climate change science and all the associated links that those have posted to refute your position?…Now your links that back up your opinion are good as gold.. Damn you are good for a laugh.
Oh yeah, totally, everyone is just saying it’s just as harmless as other drugs, and you won’t say which regulations make sense for it, and don’t draw any limitations whatsoever.
I’ve gone over potential limitations. No one here commented. You guys only comment when you want to claim you’re not saying it is safe, (which isn’t true, you’re beating around the bush on this you wouldn’t want it legalized if it was unsafe) or when someone on the right claims it is dangerous, and you want to say it’s not.
Every time you say this it is dishonest debate to shut down the right here. We know you don’t find the drug dangerous. Be honest about that fact and debate it. Or otherwise, point out the regulations you agree with. If it’s an unsafe drug, it needs them.
It is more dishonest to say those here have been saying people on here have been saying it is totally safe. That is not true, and by you saying that is just dishonest Bob. We have gone over many times the good and bad with cannabis. I even posted a whole thing above on this.
I haven’t seen your limitations on cannabis, but if it is similar to alcohol laws and implementation then we would probably agree, but if it is not, then I would love to see what you have to say and as to why they are different.
By saying that everyone here is saying cannabis is safe is again dishonest, we have posted multiple times there are some dangers, especially with developing brains, and if you do not believe me look at my post above. I have stated all of those things multiple times for Craig.
Craig’s assertion that crime goes up because of THC is semi true as it does have a slight impact on the community and crime, but it is still not nearly as dangerous as alcohol. I think one issue is that Craig, agent, and Polar constantly post false and/or misleading information. They do this by stating there is cause and effect relationship, when many of the times it could be a correlation (most of the times very slight). Again for those of you who do not know… correlation does not equal causation.
One issue I can see with your reply bob is that some people say that it is safe for adults, and for most adults that is true. There are a few people who should refrain from the use of cannabis, but if they choose to (just like they shouldn’t drink if they have a neurological disease bi-polar or schizophrenia) I don’t know what we can do for that just like I don’t know what we can do for alcohol and those same people.
I insure legal dispensaries in FL and what is in place right now is VERY dangerous for both the patients and the stores. Sick patients have to carry cash into the store to get their medication making them an easy target for criminals, and the stores have to carry large duffle bags of cash to the banks each day, making them a VERY easy target. They have armed security guards inside and outside their stores. Amazed there haven’t been any deaths associated with this yet.
Thanks for sharing a first hand account of the perils I’ve heard about the current marijuana banking laws. Hopefully the SAFE act will clear all the governmental hurdles and be signed into law
Pur depraved and demented government supports drug investment but attacks coal and energy investment. Can’t make thsi garbage up
I’d still like to see a tax added to pot (even alcohol) that goes towards nothing but the national deficit. Adding a dime for each six pack, or a quarter per Keg, would help. Same for pot. If you are already paying $30, is paying $30.50 going to deter you? Probably not. From what I have read online, and know of my friends, pot is a pretty popular thing. It’s going to be legal everywhere someday, so why not tax it just a bit more and help out the country. Then everyone gets something out of it, regardless of how they feel about it being legal. It can benefit us all in some way, whether it’s by smoking it or by helping Social Security to be around for those that need it in another twenty years.
This, but I’ll fully agree that there are issues with the pricing model, at least in California, so far. Right now the market is still leveling out, so I know for example in my area at least when the recreational dispensaries opened, you were paying roughly $50 for a 3.5g bag of marijuana. It was supremely high quality, but this was then before taxes, and with local excise taxes you could be paying $68 for that bag. For comparison, most people knew someone that would be able to offer a very similar bag for $35-40 flat, and usually in excess of 3.5g weight.
Things have adjusted slightly now, to where you can purchase top-shelf still for those prices, but there are still objectively strong strains in the $30-35 range, even with taxes. Consumers had difficulty flocking to the dispensaries because the prices were so high, but now that they’ve started to leveled out a bit there is ALWAYS a line at my local dispensary. The dispensaries themselves are making money hand over fist either way, but it’s almost like the regulation that passed didn’t actually factor in what people are paying/willing to pay for marijuana. You can tax the heck out of it, but you can’t tax it to being more expensive than just knowing a guy from Humboldt.
Makes sense Jon. I’m not up to date on what people pay for pot now. I couldn’t even tell you how much is a normal price. When I was a kid, it was $2 for a big fat joint and $1 for a “pinner” that turned out to usually be parsley. I think a dime-bag was $30. It never dawned on me to ask how much was in a dime-bag. Yeah, can’t tax it if it’s already a much higher price. If it’s close, maybe. For some reason I was thinking the legal stuff was cheaper than the illegal variety. Maybe the Govt. can set up homemade cookie booths outside the dispensary and make a fortune that way? I saw online where a Girl Scout did that in Colorado a couple years back. Smart girl!
Also, that’s based on California I should say. When I lived in Florida access was a lot different, you could get a lot more for a lot cheaper but the quality level was shockingly lower. People in California wouldn’t even bother with what we smoked in Florida, but there is more of a culture towards rolling joints and blunts there than here. As legalization hits and access to higher quality marijuana is more frequent, I’m actually interested to see how a state like Florida reacts. Will someone like my brother who’s used to paying $20 for a bag that he can roll into multiple blunts want to spend $40 on a high quality bag meant to be used with a water pipe? Since if you’re rolling blunts, a $40 bag will last you maybe two or three, and you would get wrecked by smoking that blunt.
That girlscout was genius though.