The Democratic partisan passed bill has been under fire for several years. Can’t believe it is still around. I don’t know any policyholders that are happy with their plan. What a loser!
As a healthy person with common pre-existing conditions for my age, I am happy to have access to individual “Obamacare” coverage, which has allowed me to work on my own. Sure, my plan is more costly and less extensive than an employer-based plan (I do not qualify for subsidies), but it’s better than one that would exclude what I need.
For me, a real eye-opener came about 15 years ago, when I saw flyers posted by a woman (or her family) in a YMCA promoting a fundraiser FOR HER OWN ILLNESS. She was sick, and had to raise money for care. I am thankful for my health, and consider myself fortunate to be able to subsidize care for others.
Could things be improved? Certainly. Mend it, don’t end it.
Insightful, great post Joseph. I appreciate your willingness to acknowledge that there are issues, but mending is the solution. It’s a sad state that our country’s healthcare is in, and unfortunate that many on the right simply want to take away coverage from thousands for the benefit of the richest Americans.
You would qualify for Medicaid or other coverages provided by local welfare programs. So, ACA isn’t the only source of the needed coverage. End it, don’t mend it…. it was designed to fail, and it did. Einstein said insanity is repeating an action that previously failed, and expecting a different outcome.
Millions had the policy they liked cancelled when Obamacare was passed. So you fell for the line that you could save $2,500 if you bought it. Total loser!
Sorry, I said cabinet and associates once but not twice. Trump has at least a dozen associates who have been indicted, campaign managers , friends, accomplices, but please nitpick my wording. How many of Obama’s associates were arrested while he was in office? That’s what I thought. More boomer deflection tactics, too bad no one buys it.
Want to call out honesty Craig? Do we need to go back to listing all the times you’ve been caught lying on this board again?
No one has accepted them as “facts” except you jokers, is the issue. You can call me a troll, you’re still a troll, a liar and a hypocrite. Do I need to post the evidence of all three again? Since you posted lies, hypocritical posting behavior, and trolling attempts all just this week! Try to come at me, you’re way, way worse bro :)
January 26, 2020 at 7:06 am
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You are delusional. Millions of policies were cancelled because they weren’t compliant with ACA provisions. The exact number is irrelevant. It is clear you are making specious requests intended to create a pathway off the main topic of the article and discussions with other posters. I am surprised that anyone responds to you after they see your replies to them, or personal attacks on them that have no substantive relation to the article or discussion.
January 22, 2020 at 3:29 pm
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Unfortunately most if not all of the promises given to promote the Affordable Care Act have not been kept. Can keep your coverage, can keep your doctor, etc… Have always had coverage. Not offered insurance by employer. Have had to change companies through the ACA several times as each year the ones available for county of residence change. Even when Company stays the same the doctors and facilities in network change. Needless to say in last 6 years haven’t been to the doctor because would have had to start as a new patient every year due to the network and insurance company changes. In no way is my family covered the same as previous to the ACA, This year other than the local health department there is no healthcare within my county that is covered in network by our plan.
This is yet another reason to repeal the ACA ASAP, so that legislation can commence to fix the multiple problems that previously existed prior to ACA, and many problems caused by the architects of the ACA designing it to fail so as to lead to Single Slayer, er, Single Delayer, um, Single Payer Health Care. (Note: the Single Payer plan underlying the ACA was exposed as a terrible plan, so Socialist Dems abandoned that name and adopted ‘MediCare for All’ to avoid the stigma of ‘Single Payer’.)
How is that different from when your employer’s insurance program changes? My company changed providers, and none of the new plan options allowed me to keep both my primary care doc and rheumatologist. Thanks to my employer’s flexibility, I found an available but limited HMO.plan through the new provider that included both docs. Less than six months in, they send me a letter advising my primary care doc is no longer in the network.
On another note, the “you can keep your plan” aspect of ACA was predicated on you actually having a proper insurance plan that met minimum standards set by ACA. This caused lots of junk policies that covered very little to disappear. Such inferior products never should have been available in the first place. The Obama administration did frustratingly little to clarify this point.
It’s time to untether health care from networks, insurance companies, employers, and profit. We all should be able to see whichever doctor we want to.
Yes, I am implying that. Any company that changes health insurance carriers will experience the same situation for its employees. Maybe not all of the employees, will be affected, and of course most employers try to find the best combination of coverage and cost for their workers. However, the employer risks losing valuable staff who need to keep their specialists when they make changes to health offerings.
If he didn’t have to change companies due to ACA, there likely wouldn’t have been a problem.
January 24, 2020 at 9:42 am
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….IF…LIKELY…
you just admitted you have no idea what you are talking about
January 24, 2020 at 11:51 am
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He has no idea what he’s talking about, but even though he’s spread lies and misinformation all over this board (BOTs, 91% of americans fearing terrorism more than climate change, who knows how many others) we should believe 100% everything ELSE out of his mouth because he’s never wrong. He’s never admitted to being wrong on anything, so he can’t be wrong, right? Laughable.
January 24, 2020 at 12:23 pm
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No, I stated that the premise is unsubstantiated because there is a distinct possibility it is an isolated situation. Ponder that for a while.
January 27, 2020 at 8:36 pm
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I am correctly implying that there is a REMOTE possibility of being forced to change a policy to a ACA compliant policy and NOT being adversely affected. Those situations exist when someone has a poor quality coverage plan / policy before being forced to drop it for an ACA policy.
Understand now? Or do you want to continue to argue like a child having a temper tantrum?
January 23, 2020 at 11:52 am
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Yes, it is time to free the US healthcare system and insurance market from the Socialist programs that have driven up costs for EVERYONE and reduced coverage for many.
Prove socialist programs have driven up costs for everyone and reduced coverage for many. Prove that statement. You won’t, but that’s why I want to point out that you’re full of it!
The government makes a USDA subsidy, and in the bubble where it is useable in WA, the cost of the houses are all maxed out, because the builders know you will pay the max cost.
The government makes subsidies for college, instead of grants, grants lower costs, subsidies instead explode them, doctors and hospitals and insurance companies then all charge the most they can, the max cost, and prices rise.
And you’re to believe that the ACA subsidizing healthcare doesn’t raise the price?
The republican plan, one of many, from October showed the cost including deductibles sky rocketing, it has not gone down and we have not had unregulated health insurance since the 60’s. You have no point of comparison, other than when grants are used in various states, and the studies show that how the money is spent matters, the states with the best grants have the lowest premiums.
January 23, 2020 at 5:18 pm
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That paragraph was deleted, the third, and combined with the 2nd, my bad.
College exploded in cost.
Then the same thing happened with healthcare.
I’m apt to think socialized rates of assistance don’t help, and I’ve seen it, especially with housing. It doesn’t work.
January 23, 2020 at 11:05 pm
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Boring
January 24, 2020 at 9:43 am
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Hotdogs? Hamburgers? What kinds of questions are these? The ONLY acceptable question to ask about hotdogs is…
Hey … Norm – if you were starving, and you were a hot dog, would you eat yourself?? I know I would!
January 24, 2020 at 12:33 pm
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Social health insurance in the UK reduced availability and medical advances, and delayed or eliminated some treatments, due to rationing of the healthcare budget. Hence, Socialism through subsidies drives up costs and reduces coverage. QED.
January 24, 2020 at 12:51 pm
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Again with the troll comment, Polar? Come on son.
My SNL quote was hilarious and clearly wasn’t meant to troll.
I’m facetiously sorry if you got offended by my humorous reference.
January 24, 2020 at 1:25 pm
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Further, closer to home; the VA has shown the failure of a socialized healthcare system. Delayed or denied treatments, treatment not given due to death of the patient before the treatment was scheduled, mis-diagnoses, mis-treatment, etc.
I have elder relatives who experienced the above problems through the VA, and ‘we’ all know the recent stories about the failure of the VA to provide proper, prompt medical care to our vets.
January 24, 2020 at 1:27 pm
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Someone on the IJ staff deleted one of my posts that used a series of questions with undeniable answers to prove my point on subsidies.
January 27, 2020 at 2:48 pm
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So to be clear, in Everett, more toward the city, should be more expensive, the houses are some 20% less, for the same type of house, $400k to $440, whereas Lake Stevens and eligible areas that are technically rural, are more expensive than the “city” since people get loans maxed (540k is now average in the area for the same type of home as above, literally, the same builder even, a local one, D R Horton, or Pulte, and it costs them less to make homes in these areas, they just know the government will subsidize it, THIS is being smart and doing your own common sense research, Jon, I am so much wiser than you.) since the USDA will pay a substantial portion of your loan, making it equal to a lower priced home. This is how the government screws up costs, and it does happen with healthcare too.
January 27, 2020 at 8:41 pm
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Good points, all, bob! But save your effort in the future for open-minded individuals who are willing to have a discussion like mature adults. The liberals currently commenting here are requesting ‘proof’ of some commonly accepted, or common knowledge, concepts. They’ve requested proof for opinions or known facts, but are often unwilling to provide similar proof to buttress their stance.
January 27, 2020 at 8:47 pm
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Further, to your point on government’s adverse interference with healthcare, I read, but misplaced/ did not bookmark commentary about the adverse impact of healthcare costs caused by enacting MediCare. I’ll search for it.
January 28, 2020 at 8:05 am
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Although one wonders if “War and Peace” would have been as highly acclaimed as it was if it was published under its original name “War: What Is It Good For?”
The Democratic partisan passed bill has been under fire for several years. Can’t believe it is still around. I don’t know any policyholders that are happy with their plan. What a loser!
As a healthy person with common pre-existing conditions for my age, I am happy to have access to individual “Obamacare” coverage, which has allowed me to work on my own. Sure, my plan is more costly and less extensive than an employer-based plan (I do not qualify for subsidies), but it’s better than one that would exclude what I need.
For me, a real eye-opener came about 15 years ago, when I saw flyers posted by a woman (or her family) in a YMCA promoting a fundraiser FOR HER OWN ILLNESS. She was sick, and had to raise money for care. I am thankful for my health, and consider myself fortunate to be able to subsidize care for others.
Could things be improved? Certainly. Mend it, don’t end it.
Insightful, great post Joseph. I appreciate your willingness to acknowledge that there are issues, but mending is the solution. It’s a sad state that our country’s healthcare is in, and unfortunate that many on the right simply want to take away coverage from thousands for the benefit of the richest Americans.
You would qualify for Medicaid or other coverages provided by local welfare programs. So, ACA isn’t the only source of the needed coverage. End it, don’t mend it…. it was designed to fail, and it did. Einstein said insanity is repeating an action that previously failed, and expecting a different outcome.
Millions had the policy they liked cancelled when Obamacare was passed. So you fell for the line that you could save $2,500 if you bought it. Total loser!
Please list the members of the cabinet that were indicted. There weren’t any. But hey, truth and facts are not Liberal Values.
Sorry, I said cabinet and associates once but not twice. Trump has at least a dozen associates who have been indicted, campaign managers , friends, accomplices, but please nitpick my wording. How many of Obama’s associates were arrested while he was in office? That’s what I thought. More boomer deflection tactics, too bad no one buys it.
Want to call out honesty Craig? Do we need to go back to listing all the times you’ve been caught lying on this board again?
Millions huh? Provide some numbers on that. And say what you want about Obama, HE wasn’t impeached, talk about loser LOL
No one is obligated to proving things that were accepted as facts years ago. Troll.
No one has accepted them as “facts” except you jokers, is the issue. You can call me a troll, you’re still a troll, a liar and a hypocrite. Do I need to post the evidence of all three again? Since you posted lies, hypocritical posting behavior, and trolling attempts all just this week! Try to come at me, you’re way, way worse bro :)
You are delusional. Millions of policies were cancelled because they weren’t compliant with ACA provisions. The exact number is irrelevant. It is clear you are making specious requests intended to create a pathway off the main topic of the article and discussions with other posters. I am surprised that anyone responds to you after they see your replies to them, or personal attacks on them that have no substantive relation to the article or discussion.
Unfortunately most if not all of the promises given to promote the Affordable Care Act have not been kept. Can keep your coverage, can keep your doctor, etc… Have always had coverage. Not offered insurance by employer. Have had to change companies through the ACA several times as each year the ones available for county of residence change. Even when Company stays the same the doctors and facilities in network change. Needless to say in last 6 years haven’t been to the doctor because would have had to start as a new patient every year due to the network and insurance company changes. In no way is my family covered the same as previous to the ACA, This year other than the local health department there is no healthcare within my county that is covered in network by our plan.
This is yet another reason to repeal the ACA ASAP, so that legislation can commence to fix the multiple problems that previously existed prior to ACA, and many problems caused by the architects of the ACA designing it to fail so as to lead to Single Slayer, er, Single Delayer, um, Single Payer Health Care. (Note: the Single Payer plan underlying the ACA was exposed as a terrible plan, so Socialist Dems abandoned that name and adopted ‘MediCare for All’ to avoid the stigma of ‘Single Payer’.)
How is that different from when your employer’s insurance program changes? My company changed providers, and none of the new plan options allowed me to keep both my primary care doc and rheumatologist. Thanks to my employer’s flexibility, I found an available but limited HMO.plan through the new provider that included both docs. Less than six months in, they send me a letter advising my primary care doc is no longer in the network.
On another note, the “you can keep your plan” aspect of ACA was predicated on you actually having a proper insurance plan that met minimum standards set by ACA. This caused lots of junk policies that covered very little to disappear. Such inferior products never should have been available in the first place. The Obama administration did frustratingly little to clarify this point.
It’s time to untether health care from networks, insurance companies, employers, and profit. We all should be able to see whichever doctor we want to.
You are implying your SPECIFIC company’s plan change is typical of ALL employers’ plan changes.
Yes, I am implying that. Any company that changes health insurance carriers will experience the same situation for its employees. Maybe not all of the employees, will be affected, and of course most employers try to find the best combination of coverage and cost for their workers. However, the employer risks losing valuable staff who need to keep their specialists when they make changes to health offerings.
If he didn’t have to change companies due to ACA, there likely wouldn’t have been a problem.
….IF…LIKELY…
you just admitted you have no idea what you are talking about
He has no idea what he’s talking about, but even though he’s spread lies and misinformation all over this board (BOTs, 91% of americans fearing terrorism more than climate change, who knows how many others) we should believe 100% everything ELSE out of his mouth because he’s never wrong. He’s never admitted to being wrong on anything, so he can’t be wrong, right? Laughable.
No, I stated that the premise is unsubstantiated because there is a distinct possibility it is an isolated situation. Ponder that for a while.
I am correctly implying that there is a REMOTE possibility of being forced to change a policy to a ACA compliant policy and NOT being adversely affected. Those situations exist when someone has a poor quality coverage plan / policy before being forced to drop it for an ACA policy.
Understand now? Or do you want to continue to argue like a child having a temper tantrum?
Yes, it is time to free the US healthcare system and insurance market from the Socialist programs that have driven up costs for EVERYONE and reduced coverage for many.
Prove socialist programs have driven up costs for everyone and reduced coverage for many. Prove that statement. You won’t, but that’s why I want to point out that you’re full of it!
Please, prove me wrong!
The government makes a USDA subsidy, and in the bubble where it is useable in WA, the cost of the houses are all maxed out, because the builders know you will pay the max cost.
The government makes subsidies for college, instead of grants, grants lower costs, subsidies instead explode them, doctors and hospitals and insurance companies then all charge the most they can, the max cost, and prices rise.
And you’re to believe that the ACA subsidizing healthcare doesn’t raise the price?
The republican plan, one of many, from October showed the cost including deductibles sky rocketing, it has not gone down and we have not had unregulated health insurance since the 60’s. You have no point of comparison, other than when grants are used in various states, and the studies show that how the money is spent matters, the states with the best grants have the lowest premiums.
That paragraph was deleted, the third, and combined with the 2nd, my bad.
College exploded in cost.
Then the same thing happened with healthcare.
I’m apt to think socialized rates of assistance don’t help, and I’ve seen it, especially with housing. It doesn’t work.
Boring
Hotdogs? Hamburgers? What kinds of questions are these? The ONLY acceptable question to ask about hotdogs is…
Hey … Norm – if you were starving, and you were a hot dog, would you eat yourself?? I know I would!
Social health insurance in the UK reduced availability and medical advances, and delayed or eliminated some treatments, due to rationing of the healthcare budget. Hence, Socialism through subsidies drives up costs and reduces coverage. QED.
Again with the troll comment, Polar? Come on son.
My SNL quote was hilarious and clearly wasn’t meant to troll.
I’m facetiously sorry if you got offended by my humorous reference.
Further, closer to home; the VA has shown the failure of a socialized healthcare system. Delayed or denied treatments, treatment not given due to death of the patient before the treatment was scheduled, mis-diagnoses, mis-treatment, etc.
I have elder relatives who experienced the above problems through the VA, and ‘we’ all know the recent stories about the failure of the VA to provide proper, prompt medical care to our vets.
Someone on the IJ staff deleted one of my posts that used a series of questions with undeniable answers to prove my point on subsidies.
So to be clear, in Everett, more toward the city, should be more expensive, the houses are some 20% less, for the same type of house, $400k to $440, whereas Lake Stevens and eligible areas that are technically rural, are more expensive than the “city” since people get loans maxed (540k is now average in the area for the same type of home as above, literally, the same builder even, a local one, D R Horton, or Pulte, and it costs them less to make homes in these areas, they just know the government will subsidize it, THIS is being smart and doing your own common sense research, Jon, I am so much wiser than you.) since the USDA will pay a substantial portion of your loan, making it equal to a lower priced home. This is how the government screws up costs, and it does happen with healthcare too.
Good points, all, bob! But save your effort in the future for open-minded individuals who are willing to have a discussion like mature adults. The liberals currently commenting here are requesting ‘proof’ of some commonly accepted, or common knowledge, concepts. They’ve requested proof for opinions or known facts, but are often unwilling to provide similar proof to buttress their stance.
Further, to your point on government’s adverse interference with healthcare, I read, but misplaced/ did not bookmark commentary about the adverse impact of healthcare costs caused by enacting MediCare. I’ll search for it.
Although one wonders if “War and Peace” would have been as highly acclaimed as it was if it was published under its original name “War: What Is It Good For?”