A Tesla AI car and distracted driving on a cell phone. Dangerous acts individually. Fatal when combined in this instance.
And, of greatest importance for drivers and insurers to comprehend the current high risk of highway operation of these insufficiently tested AI vehicles is the history of problems the deceased driver previously reported with the AI of the Tesla.
You’re right. They should go straight to full autonomous vehicles because people are just too stupid. Guy was busy playing a video game while going 70 mph in area he said he’d had prior issues.
“Data from the vehicle showed that in prior trips Huang had taken corrective action after Autopilot had steered toward the area. The NTSB said in the fatal crash Huang’s hands were not detected on the steering wheel in the final six seconds before the crash….”
So the driver KNEW the vehicle needed to have human involvement in this area and Autopilot couldn’t be ‘trusted’, yet he failed to do so this time around …. thinking, what, exactly?
if you know Autopilot needs help every time you’re at a specific location and you aren’t ready to provide the help when you get there on another trip, what were you thinking?
It’s horrible this driver passed away, and it’s horrible that people STILL think Autopilot = a Level 5 autonomous vehicle, but it’s also horrible this driver did not keep his hands on the wheel and be ready to take over for the system knowing full well he had to do that multiple times at this location in the past.
Theory: if he had his hands on the wheel and was ready to take over if needed, this loss wouldn’t have happened.
Evidence: He never crashed before when he supplemented Autopilot at this location.
Conclusion: Follow Tesla’s numerous warnings when using Autopilot to keep your hands on the wheels and your eyes on the road and be ready to take evasive action at any time.
Maybe I did or maybe I didn’t. We won’t know unless Agent answers the relevant questions below.
February 14, 2020 at 8:01 am
Just Calls About Wedding & Yoga Bear says:
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Actually, I’ll confirm it; you did misinterpret it.
February 14, 2020 at 12:49 pm
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So are you now admitting you are Agent?
If not, do not confirm things that are an opinion not cemented in facts, that are not your own. If you agree with agent, you should say that.
February 13, 2020 at 7:57 am
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Hmmm. I’ve heard it said that people kill people, not guns. Does that apply here? Does Tesla kill people or do people kill people? I think it is the drivers who are unsafe, not the vehicle. And “Autopilot” is still a bad name for that technology.
Got anything to add besides I write a lot and you don’t trust Tesla? What about the driver playing on his phone? Maybe how he knew to not use Autopilot at the loss location before but there’s no evidence of any avoidance actions?
Didn’t see that Andrew, thanks for the link. Definitely agree that “The more comfortable [drivers] get with the autonomous vehicles, the less careful they will be.” which leads me to say it’s more of a moral hazard.
Now if we get to Level 5 autonomous vehicles, I could see it becoming a morale hazard (although if there are no steering wheels, that distinction might be a moot point … eventually … many years from now).
I just think it’s absurd we keep blaming Tesla’s for these crashes when the majority of reports I’ve seen are the driver’s don’t have their hands on the wheel, aren’t paying attention, and aren’t ready to take some avoidance actions if the tech doesn’t work as expected.
Checking on your dogs in the back seat when autopilot is on? Taking a nap while autopilot is on? Knowing you need to take control of the system at a specific location, doing so multiple times before, then not doing it again next time? Crashes in these scenarios are not failures in the tech, IMO.
February 13, 2020 at 2:14 pm
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Auto pilot ! In a car ! That could well be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. Anyone that gets in a car and expects it to take them safely where they plan to go might just be an idiot.
A Tesla AI car and distracted driving on a cell phone. Dangerous acts individually. Fatal when combined in this instance.
And, of greatest importance for drivers and insurers to comprehend the current high risk of highway operation of these insufficiently tested AI vehicles is the history of problems the deceased driver previously reported with the AI of the Tesla.
You’re right. They should go straight to full autonomous vehicles because people are just too stupid. Guy was busy playing a video game while going 70 mph in area he said he’d had prior issues.
“Data from the vehicle showed that in prior trips Huang had taken corrective action after Autopilot had steered toward the area. The NTSB said in the fatal crash Huang’s hands were not detected on the steering wheel in the final six seconds before the crash….”
So the driver KNEW the vehicle needed to have human involvement in this area and Autopilot couldn’t be ‘trusted’, yet he failed to do so this time around …. thinking, what, exactly?
if you know Autopilot needs help every time you’re at a specific location and you aren’t ready to provide the help when you get there on another trip, what were you thinking?
It’s horrible this driver passed away, and it’s horrible that people STILL think Autopilot = a Level 5 autonomous vehicle, but it’s also horrible this driver did not keep his hands on the wheel and be ready to take over for the system knowing full well he had to do that multiple times at this location in the past.
Theory: if he had his hands on the wheel and was ready to take over if needed, this loss wouldn’t have happened.
Evidence: He never crashed before when he supplemented Autopilot at this location.
Conclusion: Follow Tesla’s numerous warnings when using Autopilot to keep your hands on the wheels and your eyes on the road and be ready to take evasive action at any time.
Confirms to me that Tesla is the most unsafe vehicle on the road. Steer clear of them.
If that’s what my post confirms for you, you did not grasp the actual point of my comment.
It seems to me that he did, and that you misinterpreted his post. Hint: “Confirms”
Maybe I did or maybe I didn’t. We won’t know unless Agent answers the relevant questions below.
Actually, I’ll confirm it; you did misinterpret it.
So are you now admitting you are Agent?
If not, do not confirm things that are an opinion not cemented in facts, that are not your own. If you agree with agent, you should say that.
Hmmm. I’ve heard it said that people kill people, not guns. Does that apply here? Does Tesla kill people or do people kill people? I think it is the drivers who are unsafe, not the vehicle. And “Autopilot” is still a bad name for that technology.
this confirms to ME that Germans love David Hasselhoff.
Hi Norm! So glad to see you’re still cracking jokes post SNL! :D
If you could cut your word parsing down by 3 or 4 paragraphs, maybe you would do better.
Got anything to add besides I write a lot and you don’t trust Tesla? What about the driver playing on his phone? Maybe how he knew to not use Autopilot at the loss location before but there’s no evidence of any avoidance actions?
I have something to add… Brevity is the brother of Clarity.
What u think driver not hands on wheel before crash when did many times before?
(That was my my version of “Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick”)
You might enjoy this if you haven’t already…Is it a Moral or Morale Hazard?
https://www.insurancejournal.com/blogs/academy-journal/2020/01/22/555435.htm
Didn’t see that Andrew, thanks for the link. Definitely agree that “The more comfortable [drivers] get with the autonomous vehicles, the less careful they will be.” which leads me to say it’s more of a moral hazard.
Now if we get to Level 5 autonomous vehicles, I could see it becoming a morale hazard (although if there are no steering wheels, that distinction might be a moot point … eventually … many years from now).
I just think it’s absurd we keep blaming Tesla’s for these crashes when the majority of reports I’ve seen are the driver’s don’t have their hands on the wheel, aren’t paying attention, and aren’t ready to take some avoidance actions if the tech doesn’t work as expected.
Checking on your dogs in the back seat when autopilot is on? Taking a nap while autopilot is on? Knowing you need to take control of the system at a specific location, doing so multiple times before, then not doing it again next time? Crashes in these scenarios are not failures in the tech, IMO.
Auto pilot ! In a car ! That could well be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. Anyone that gets in a car and expects it to take them safely where they plan to go might just be an idiot.