Sorry, did I miss what he did that was actually illegal? Getting mad, legal. Going to one’s truck afterwards, legal. Even picking up a weapon that is stored in one’s vehicle, legal.
I realize the police are in a tough situation and must make a call as to how to react, but I’m not sure I follow what was illegal unless gun ownership alone is illegal. Did he point his gun at someone? Did he make a threatening comment?
Wayne, I did notice there is no report of a weapons charge. What will likely get him is the assault charge. I am not a lawyer but think the legal standard is something along the lines of ‘causing a reasonable person to be apprehensive of imminent bodily harm’.
According to a more detailed news report, Mr. Knight had the AR-15 rifle fully loaded, safety off, with a round in the chamber. Upon execution of a search warrant on his trailer police found an apparent ‘last will and testament’ suggesting he may have had no plan to return home. Interestingly they also found thirteen large pythons and some rabbits.
The report mentioned he was from Utah, and a quick Google-Fu pulls up a 2010 Asylum.com article from St. George Utah where firefighters responded to put out a fire at a trailer owned by Mark Knight which had 19 large python snakes inside.
Thanks for the thoughtful response. Fair point about the assault charge but this article didn’t come out and say that.
The “last will” does not show he got mad all of a sudden and returned to his vehicle if one assumes that means pre-meditation. I have a will at the house as well so that doesn’t really prove anything.
I guess I’d rather have them make a mistake and he get off than be able to follow through if he was planning to make an assault. Sure seems like it though. He was irate and went to his truck and took out his gun. Don’t think he was going to clean it there in the parking lot. It will be interesting to see if the charge sticks.
You clearly are an emotional person. Plenty of people use them every day for target shooting and self-defense. You can choose to be a walking sitting duck. Don’t lump us in with your sound bite crime fighting.
People to not hunt or target shoot in public. Get a grip. This isn’t the wild, wild west. Gun toting citizens have no place in a public place. That’s just crazy. Keep your guns, but keep them away from me. There’s nothing emotional about it. I don’t trust hot-headed bozos with guns.
September 18, 2012 at 3:18 pm
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At the very least, he was trying to intimidate the people he was mad at. That would classify as menacing, don’t you think?
Terrorizing and aggravated assault are. That’s what he was arrested for. Just because we have the right to bear arms doesn’t mean you can go out to your car and waive your gun around after you get mad at someone.
For the sake of two things here I’m going to comment.
Comment one: I agree with Libby regarding this one. A guys walks into a place with a gun it’s either intimidation to get what they want or it’s to use it to get what they want.
Coment two: You are in dire need of an attitude check, you make it impossible for moderates to agree with you because of your polarized attitude. This makes twice that you’ve said someone sounds just like me. You’re a jerk in these places often, and/or you make untrue unresearched comments (like your belief that Osama was killed in Afghanistan, or comments about Iraq, or comments about Paul Ryan and Romney that are inaccurate, such as getting rid of Medicare). I don’t like it when you do that or say things that just are wrong around here. But I do not tell other people “oh man, you sound just like that Libby girl, god she’s wrong on everything and is such an extreme lefty”.
*Rolls Eyes* This is exactly why I make a point out of commenting to you. You’re out of line continually. And you need to stop.
Only problem is that you are greeing with a false premise. Story said he was standing by his teuck. He did mot walk into any place with a gun.
September 22, 2012 at 11:16 pm
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Wow, siri/iphone failed me on that one. Sorry for typos.
September 24, 2012 at 8:31 am
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Bob (aka Libby stalker) – this is about the 6th time you’ve brought up the Osama bin Laden comment. Give it a rest. I never said Romney & Ryan are getting rid of Medicare. So give that a rest, too. My comments about Iraq are not untrue. Many believe the same things I believe. Just because we can’t prove it doesn’t mean it isn’t true. I will say something positive about you (and I had to really reach for it) but you have taught me to do better research. I doubt you will find too many more blatant gaffs from me like the bin Laden one. But I’m sure you’ll still be bringing that up next year and the year after that as you continue to stalk me. You said Sally Kohn’s “untrue” article was about Romney’s speech and it was about Ryan’s. But I don’t feel a need to rub your nose in it every five minutes, because I know people are human and make mistakes. I sure hope you are not raising any children. They would be terrified to make a mistake for fear of being humiliated and reminded of it every time they turn around. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – LEAVE ME ALONE.
September 24, 2012 at 12:18 pm
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Libby:
See last post site with us two debating. You did say Romney and Ryan were getting rid of medicare. I could pull up the comment if you would like.
Second comment: I am not following you around. We post on the same site. Stop acting rude.
Third comment: Stop posting about me! I watch these sites and this is about the third time you’ve compared me to another poster here. That is showing it’s you who won’t let it go.
Fourth comment: I’m not going to let go that you make assumptions about my beliefs, and label me as a right wing extremist. I’m also not going to let go of your rudeness on this site. You want me to let it go? Then stop bringing me up. That sound fair?
1) Pull it up Bob. I know I said they were getting rid of Medicare “as we know it”. So pull up where I said they were getting rid of Medicare all together.
2) Wayne already told me he enjoyed watching you “spank” me on this site, so I know he is taking his cues from you. Telling me I haven’t done my research or if I do, it’s paper thin and overall responding to me with an upfront rude tone. So I was not speaking out of turn when I asked him if he was your brother.
3) First this was the second time I mentioned you, now it’s the third. Get it straight. If you start to exaggerate you will lose credibility. I only mention your name when people respond to my posts in a pompous, supercillious, and condescending way. Because it always reminds me of you.
4) I don’t care what you let go of. Your posts about economic issues are textbook right wing, which makes you right wing. And when did I call YOU an extremist?
September 24, 2012 at 12:28 pm
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And you’ve made assumptions about me and my beliefs from the get go! Doesn’t feel good, does it?
September 24, 2012 at 12:38 pm
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Alright that last one was enough Libby, whatever the hell is in your head, get it out.
You are acting voracious. Like you’re being singled out, or something similar, possibly due to your thoughts of what happens when you’re a woman. And it needs to stop.
My credibility? I’m sorry Libby, anyone who says that Osama was killed in Afghanistan, while claiming they know about Iraq loses ALL credibility.
Condescending and pompous, yes, indeed. You just don’t like it when I come in and point out that you’re completely wrong in many posts, like the patriot act. To you, that was pompous. To people who debate, they know that’s how you do it. You don’t make it emotional, you don’t say “I believe this”. You make a fact oriented post, and you ask for a counter fact to disprove it. If no counter fact is available, you were right the other person was wrong. You seem to not like being wrong. That’s the problem. Yesterday I watched a 2 hour video of a summit video with Obama just to put a friend at ease on the issue. I told them they were right following it. A democrat.
You have called me extreme right. Let’s not joke around on that one.
I have made assumptions about you, which have every single time been accurate. I made them with details that blatantly made it clear. Like about you not being able to make a business which could support an economy. You said you owned a business. Past tense. So I hate to hurt your feelings, but that means you could not support 20-30 people in a business. Other than that can you list any real assumptions I’ve made that just hurt your widdle feelings Libby? Any times that I said that you were trying to get rid of guns because you were a liberal? Labeling people based on very typical stereo types along the parties is something I have NEVER done to you. And you are now tasked with pulling up one time I have. Good luck with that Libby.
Now then: Crying wolf, and stating I’m attacking you how does it feel now that I get it back is the epitome of out of line. I have never labled you BECAUSE you were a democrat. Not once. I have never said you are a democrat so you MUST believe this. Not once. And I won’t accept it being said to me. That is the same as racism, and I’ve pointed that out to you before.
Bob, I don’t care what you choose to accept or not accept. Your assumptions of me have been broad and INaccurate. You do not know anything about me. Or about my past business or how many people it supported or didn’t support. Yet you continue to make these broad brush comments about me. Well, you know what? People that know me know the kind of person I am and theirs is the only opinion that matters to me. I am not a crying wolf type, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. And you are attacking me on a regular basis. But it’s the highlight of my day, so go ahead. I’ll keep going head to head with you. You think you win every point but you haven’t. You just ignore the points you lose or try to change the topic when it gets tough for you. I know your tactics.
And I am NOT, repeat, NOT debating on this site. I am blogging. I’ve already told you several times that I was not on the debate team and have no desire to start now. If you disagree with a post of mine, it doesn’t mean you are right and I am wrong. I have made mistakes on some postings and I have readily admitted them. Which makes me a much bigger person than you who will never concede one point even when it’s clear I am right. You are a little man with a need to “beat” the girl you find annoying and irksome. I will not be bullied by you. So bring it on!
September 24, 2012 at 3:07 pm
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1. I didn’t know I had a brother.
2. Libby calls me an asshole. I think her debating skills begin and end with emotion. As I said before, if I thought more of her opinion it may actually offend me.
3. Bob seems to think. I’ve never noticed his comments that I recall but, then again, I don’t apparently “blog” (is that what this is?) like the two of you. I don’t recall every enjoying anyone being “spanked” on here. Bitch-slapped in this case may be more appropriate.
4. Bob, how does one exaggerate versus “over-exaggerate?”
5. Voice recognition is a trip. I was at a movie and asked someone to pick up some popcorn (via voice dictation). The message they received was: “Please pick up some porn for us.” Nice.
September 24, 2012 at 1:03 pm
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Libby:
When you make a comment as if it were a fact, and then you rebuttal to Wayne, you’re debating on this site. I don’t care if you were on a debate team or not.
What’s interesting is that you didn’t have an example for how I was making assumptions about you, other than the one I listed. In the premise of why I made that comment, I said that you had no desire to support the public, and would not. You said how dare you I owned a business. And I said “had” a business. Which means you have no desire to keep one running in order to support other people. It’s all about context. It’s not “judging” you. In that particular conversation it was merely pointing out you wanted to tax people more, and you didn’t realize how the system worked. It wasn’t about “you”. It was about what was right for America.
I don’t care about “you” when I’m talking about an issue. I care about the issue. I don’t mean that to say I hate you. I mean I choose to focus on the issue.
Now again, drop your anger here. I can only ask so many times. I have given you considerable kindness in comparison to what you’re giving me in these posts. Are you going to drop this or not?
What did I comment on that was “fact”? I said I didn’t like guns. He responded with some stupidity about not liking drunk drivers but liking cars. I pointed out that it was the alcohol that made them drunk, not the car, to show his analogy was inappropriate. What kind of “fact” did I state that I then rebuttaled or debated?
September 24, 2012 at 1:20 pm
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I didn’t say “How dare you!”. I said you don’t know anything about me because you said I knew nothing about running a business and I used to own my own my business. You then went on to characterize me as a “failure”. I have a very keen memory on how that posting went, so don’t try to recreate history.
But how dare you say I “have no desire to support the public” just because I no longer own a business! How do you think business owners support the public? By themselves? No! They have employees. I happen to be an employee of someone else now, which supports the public. You know nothing about me or what I do to support the public. Volunteer work, paying more than my fair share of taxes because I happen to be married without children, donating to charitable organizations. I support the public in every way I can. Again, your assumptions about me are with no basis in fact. But I am “crying wolf” and “being a big baby” when I tell you you have consistently insulted me and wrongly characterized me. I call you right-wing because of your economic position. That’s a far cry from you calling me a baby killer, immoral, stupid, childish, a failure, a freaking moron, and someone with mental issues. Who’s being a baby now?
September 24, 2012 at 2:52 pm
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Libby:
If you’re so keen on the conversation, I might want to point out my “how dare you” was your reaction when I said you didn’t run a business that supported people. Past tense. So if you’re so “keen” then how are you not “keen” on even the tense of the current conversation?
I have not recreated history. And no, you do not have a keen sense of history. You have a keen sense of how you felt emotionally. How you felt and how it went are different.
The funny thing is how that conversation is only relevant to “assumptions”. We were talking about “assumption” examples. Now you’re fighting about the one I gave you, rather than finding any on your own. *wait a sec* doesn’t this mean there are no others? Now that we have established that, which I am sure you are so keen you were aware that is what we were talking about (no, you were not) I will move forward by stating: That assumption I made, in context, was accurate. I assumed that you were not able to run a business to support a group of people. You are not running a business to support a group of people. It doesn’t matter if you did, you are no longer doing it. Suffice it to say, these business owners could have pursued their happiness like you did. But they didn’t. In context I was saying they had the goodness to do the job. They cared about society. The context of that converstation was me calling the rich providers, and far kinder than your rude comments label them as. We were also talking about taxes. Which you were clueless on.
I’m not re-opening that discussion. Stay on track. What assumptions have I made about you that were stereo type typical democrat assumptions? You have made it evident your gun labeling when it comes to republicans. You’ve made it evident in the past that the reason you were against romney was gays, women’s rights, and civil issues. Our debate there was showing how you were wrong on how republicans approached those issues. I pointed out the majority of republicans support civil unions. I showed the difference between federal and state regulation. And showed you that you were labeling the republicans with broad assumptions. You have made your prejudice clear. I on the other hand have not labeled you in any way due to being a democrat. You keep saying how I labeled you a moron, or stupid. You labeled yourself that when you fought with me the way you did. I fight. Get over it. So do you. I fight back. So do you.
I would much rather have some common sense in this. Again: If you apologized, and backed the hell off, would it be wrong libby? You’re just a woman who has been attacked because you’re a woman (totally demeaning thought process toward me I might add) and I’m just a guy who assaulted you right? I got to get my come upin’s right?
You’ve made personal assumptions about me, not assumptions about my partisanship. You have labeled me and called me names. That is a fact.
I did not say how dare you in that past post. In that prior post, you said I didn’t know anything about running a business. I replied by telling you I used to own a business so you know made assumptions about me for which you had no facts. I am on track. That’s how it went down. Deal with it.
And, I’m sorry, Bob, but what you say is not important enough for me to remember other than there have been insults and assumptions too numerous to mention from you. If I had the time and still had the links, I would point them out to you. But you would still refute them and call me more names.
You started the dirty fighting way back when in another blog months ago. I have only retaliated and defended myself. So I have nothing to apologize for. Why don’t you apologize and back off? Oh that’s right! You’re always right and I’m always wrong. You’re the adult and I’m the child. I need to be taught a lesson and you’re gonna be the one to teach it to me. Again, supercillious, condescending, patronizing, insulting, and arrogant. In other words, BOB.
September 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm
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Libby:
Are you this ridiculous? When you talke with Wayne, and you put forth an idea that is supposed to be considered (you just want us to consider you correct?) and he replies, and you reply, and he replies, and you reply, YOU ARE DEBATING BY CHOICE.
You are debating. If you don’t like it, stop doing it!
I don’t recall you being this crazy in the past. What in the world has you riled up today?
Again, specifically, what idea did I put forth? I said I didn’t like guns. So did you. Hardly a debate, dumbass.
September 24, 2012 at 12:20 pm
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Wayne,
I post with an Iphone on here all the time, you wouldn’t believe the typos I have when I get to typing quickly, and iphone makes a fix that I don’t catch.
I was over exaggerating about bringing the gun in.
With that in mind I could be wrong. Maybe he had no intent.
Do you have some sort of mental issue? Do you know why I commented? I’m backpedaling because I’m saying I over exaggerated and I just don’t like guns? I don’t. He clearly is ok with them. Should I just beat him over the head until he agrees with me?
While I am defensive to do with your attacks on me, and I brought it up in the post that I came in on, it was because I felt that you were right you freaking moron and I was not about to help you / be nice to you without putting out there that you were being rude to me.
By the way, here’s the link you should use with Wayne lower down regarding your argument against guns:
And you know what’s funny? I’ve used this link before as a reason why I said the average life expectancy with the WHO does not include a full and complete listing for the reasons for lower life expectancies. I noted that violent deaths in the UK were so much below ours, it was insane.
So on one side of my premise, I don’t like guns (AKA not far right). On the other side, I complete the WHO’s numbers with stastics for violent deaths, infant mortality rate methodology, obesity rates and how that effects heart failure rates, and then I make a number for the average life expectency that is more realistic. This is research, as I’ve told you many times. I don’t know why you hate me, but believe me Libby, I am not a partisan so drop it!
September 24, 2012 at 1:00 pm
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Bob, if I recall, it was you that originally started the rudeness and name calling. I just reciprocated in kind and will continue to do so. I will not back down from you just because you “demand” it. You accuse me of backpedaling every time I try do just what you just did. Which is to admit I was generalizing, exaggerating, or not explaining myself well. It’s backpedaling when I do it, but I have a mental issue when I give it right back to you.
And speaking of debating, where is your “research” and “proof” that I am a “freaking moron”, “child”, or have a mental issue? If you can’t back it up you should stop saying it.
September 24, 2012 at 1:06 pm
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Libby:
I imagine about now you know you’re acting ridiculous.
In this post, you insulted me. I replied. If we are going to a he said she said, well then I hate to say it, you said first. So quite passing the blame.
In this particular piece, I have said you are acting childish, and you are. I have said you’re being a moron, and you are. I’ll call you it when you’re acting like one. My proof? Look at your comments and look at my replies. I don’t like feeling like I’m talking with someone who is immature, and right now I don’t really have a choice.
I just gave you a rather good link. I just agreed with you. All I said, is STOP referring to me when you think someone’s an asshole, or inaccurate, etc. Does that sound unfair?
September 24, 2012 at 1:24 pm
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No. It’s not fair. I call it as I see it. And you ARE an asshole. So if I compare another asshole to you, I am only stating the facts. Just like you state that I am childish and a moron. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it like a man and quit your blubbering.
September 24, 2012 at 2:56 pm
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Libby:
Shut your mmouth. I didn’t dish it out this time. I came to your pathetic aid.
I am perfectly capable of taking it. In this case Libby, I made the right action in terms of making things right with you.
And all you can say is like a crazy lunatic that you’re butt hurt. I’m not an asshole. Whether or not you like that is a different story. You seem to need an enemy. This explains a lot of your posts. Are you done yet? I don’t like being your shrink, as entertaining as it is.
September 24, 2012 at 3:07 pm
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Again, I don’t answer to you Bob. So I will not shut my mouth, go to the kitchen, and cook something. I don’t need your aid, I was doing perfectly well on my own. Agreeing with me and that giving me a backhand in the same post is not coming to my aid. Save it for someone else too stupid to see past your veiled attempts at nicey-nice. Too little, too late for me, Pal.
September 18, 2012 at 4:08 pm
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Could have pawned or sold the gun and ammo for food.
Agreed to a point. This article was poorly written because that’s not what it reads that he did in my opinion. It said he went to his truck and they saw him “handling” the gun. It never reads that he waved it in the air. I’m thinking there is a good chance they would have shot him if so. I don’t picture a bunch of people tackling a guy walking around waving a gun in the air, do you?
I said police have a tough job. I just don’t like this “man with gun” means a nut as that is also not true.
Thank you, Libby. Vacation with the fam, St. Pete and Captiva Island. It was nice to get away but I bet this tan doesn’t last 3 days back here in Des Moines.
September 20, 2012 at 2:02 pm
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Know what you mean. Just got back from a week in Playa del Carmen and am already back to pastey white. It was the only thing I had to remind me I even had a vacation!
September 20, 2012 at 1:56 pm
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Thanks for showing your bias and discrimination. The fact is, many people use firearms (or, as you say, “assault weapons”) for many things like target shooting, collecting, etc.
If you saw someone using an “assault weapon” to shoot a deer (or otherwise hunting in the woods?), then I assume you have no idea what you’re talking about.
It’s the alcohol you should hate and not the cars. And it’s the food you should hate, not the spoon. I wouldn’t hate guns except for the ammunition. I guess that’s what I really hate…
September 20, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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Linda, I don’t make it a habit to hate inanimate objects, be they spoons, cars, food or alcohol. The fact that you blame food for being fat is bizarre (and I’m accused of not thinking).
Why don’t you try to hate drunk drivers and their behavior and realize that the alcohol didn’t make them drink it and hop in a car. Same with guns.
I don’t hate guns but I do hate criminals. Criminals have used knives, guns, cars, and other weapons. Your hate is mis-directed.
September 20, 2012 at 4:17 pm
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First of all, I was pointing out that your hatred was misdirected. I did not use the word hate to begin with. I said I didn’t like guns. I did change that statement and said I only hate ammunition. Without ammunition, guns are harmless.
September 20, 2012 at 4:29 pm
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Opposite of “don’t like.” Hate?
I “don’t like” drunk drivers but I “don’t dislike” alcohol?
Feel better? Your point about “not liking” guns is still paper thin. You should “not like” criminals. Your lumping in all gun owners as criminals is emotional and short-sighted.
I “don’t like” lame thinking but I don’t “dislike” the First Amendment.
September 20, 2012 at 4:30 pm
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In honor of Libby, I’ve gone through and given all of my own comments a thumbs up like she does 5 seconds after posting to make myself feel good.
September 20, 2012 at 4:36 pm
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Are you Bob’s brother? I don’t like guns. Call it “paper thin”, I don’t care. I don’t care who owns them or how they are used, I don’t see a point to them and I don’t like them. You like them. Great. Isn’t that the great thing about America? We can agree to disagree. And quit playing the emotional card just because I’m a woman. I don’t like guns, criminals, or drunk drivers. Happy, now?
September 21, 2012 at 6:44 pm
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Libby,
Don’t compare everyone on blogs who make absurd posts to me. My posts are consistently logical.
Side comment: You just not only generalize republicans to gun lovers (which not all are) you also generalized me as a far right republican. That’s entirely laughable. I’ve already given quite a bit of interest in supporting part of an autommatic 401k plan that Obama put out a while back, I’m against the death penalty, and guess what? I do not like guns.
I don’t disagree with being gay (many republicans don’t) I do disagree with the government setting up provisions which would take away funding from a religious organization who didn’t marry gays (happened in Canada.). I like most moderate republicans believe in Civil Unions, which I’ve made a point of telling you before.
Make implications about me being a far right nut all you like. It doesn’t make it true. What’s more humerous is I don’t even currently have a religion either. Ergo why I laugh at both you and Planet so often on the religious labels on the right. I don’t appreciate being labeled or generalized. Don’t do it again. Not a request.
September 24, 2012 at 8:24 am
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I don’t take orders from you, Bob. Make your ultimatums to your wife.
September 24, 2012 at 12:26 pm
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Ah yes, you don’t take orders from me, since I’m the big bad bully right Libby?
I don’t ask bullies to stop, I tell them. That does not make me a guy that orders around women.
Further: Isn’t it you that keeps on telling me to “stop following you around?”. Well now, I don’t take orders from you Libby. Don’t take that last one seriously. I’m only pointing out how you are basically telling me to leave you alone, while you are posting things on here antagonizing me to respond, then you claim I’m following you around and cry about it saying I’m issuing you ultimatums. Really? Punch me in the face and then claim I’m a bully when I punch back? No. I think not.
By the way: Stop making the implication that I dominate women. It’s insanely inaccurate. You believe that because someone treats you like a man (and debates with you like one, rather than going soft on you) that they are trying to over power you?
Maybe you’re used to guys who baby women. I don’t.
Perhaps you’d like to talk with my daughter, or her mother on their opinions regarding how I treat women, or people in general. You’re absurd.
September 24, 2012 at 12:36 pm
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What’s absurd is your insatiable need to try to “put me in my place”. You do not respond to anyone else on this site the way you do to me even if they post totally inaccurate, ignorant, and stupid opinions. Only me. I happen to be a woman, many of the few on this site. I can connect the dots quite well. You bully women that don’t cow-tow to your massive ego and intellegience and agree with every word out of your mouth.
I am not used to ANYONE babying me and have been supporting myself since I was 17. I am currently a very successful Account Executive handling multi-million dollar international accounts. Not too bad for an ignorant, stupid, child as you like to call me.
And I’m not antagonizing you. I already told you Wayne idolizes you so I asked him if he was your brother. Fair question. There was no need for you to respond other than to try to get the last word like always.
September 24, 2012 at 12:55 pm
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Libby:
My jaw just dropped. I hear a person saying, yeah I made the comment but it’s because of you, and you’re bad because you had to have the last word.
No, you insulted me. You used me as a form of a generalization, and applied who I am to another guy. That’s also “judging” me and who I am, and then applying it as a status to someone else.
This isn’t about having the last word. It’s about being treated fairly.
Further, I have commented when someone was wrong. Agent and I debated on the fair tax. I said I disagreed. I didn’t insult him, because he’s never a jerk to me. And perhaps it’s just you’re a jerk, not that you’re a woman that has me responding the way I do to you. Just a thought.
I don’t care what your job is, who you know, etc. You seem to be used to being a part of a click. Would it bother you if you were not handling multi million dollar accounts? What does it have to do with anything?
I have called you ignorant in the topic of the matter of several specific issues. I don’t care about your personal life, and I don’t care to comment on it. I don’t care to say “woah that person totally just pulled a libby”. I know how bullies and fights start, and you fit the bill on this one. I won’t be bullied, so I’ve decided to end it in this post. Now this stuff has to end, so you can claim that’s all on me, like a child. Or you can take part, and take my attempt of being on your side as a first step toward not being at each other’s throats eh? Your choice. Either way I’m really getting sick of this. Calm yourself down Libby. Seriously. And quit with the I hate women thing. It’s ridiculous and you know it. Just on that one alone you have gone further than I ever have. You in this post have called me a woman hating stalker. And I’ve called you….What? I’ve offended you…How? I’ve done what to provoke your relentless comments this time?
September 24, 2012 at 1:07 pm
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Let’s see, what have you said about me? You have called me immoral and a baby killer, you have called me childish and stupid, you have made assumptions about my ability to run a business, which I think you characterized as a “failure”. There is so much, Bob, I can’t even remember them all. It was you that began this vitriol, not me.
I never claimed to be an economist, a professional debater, or a scholar. I have made mistakes in some of the things I have posted. I have admitted to all of that, but you continue to harrangue me about it. You are the one that needs to stop, not me.
September 24, 2012 at 3:06 pm
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In this post I have not called you a baby killer.
In the past I said to call it what it is. When you terminate a child you are terminating a child. I said man up and call it what it is. It isn’t your body, it’s a child. I don’t care what you do with it. I was only saying that as a matter of morality, you cannot decide that the baby is not a life, and then decide anyone who tries to protect it is immoral as a result. That’s on you. Other than that very specific part, I don’t care. But you always miss that.
I understand when a conservative is trying to be kind and do the right thing, and you label it is extreme.
More to the point: I have called you nothing in this post that was not appropriate considering the circumstance. I have said stop acting like a child, don’t be a moron, and quit being a jerk.
And I’ll say it again, stop acting like a child, stop being a moron, and stop being a jerk.
Bullies don’t usually like hearing that, I know, but you’re going to have to learn to stomach it and work with people rather than against them.
September 24, 2012 at 3:08 pm
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Further: My god do you take things personally Libby.
You failed at your business when it came to taking care of others. This means you are not doing it, someone else is.
That is NOT a characterization of you. Good god, your feathers are easily ruffled.
September 24, 2012 at 3:18 pm
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And just who are you to call me immoral? And you did call me a baby killer, so don’t try to deny it. I remember it because I thought at the time you don’t know anything about me or whether I am just pro-choice or have actually had an abortion. But I didn’t want to debate that issue. Especially not with a middle-class, white, conservative male.
I think men that force women into bringing unwanted children into this world are immoral. But I don’t call you immoral.
What does extreme right-wing have to do with doing the right thing? That statement had no context and made no sense.
And calling anyone names, whether you deem them appropriate or not, is bullying. You have called me in this post and in past posts many derogatory names. I in return call you an asshole and you tell me to shut my mouth. That is rich. You have alot of nerve.
And yes, I did take the failure remark personally, because it was meant to be personal. You didn’t say in that prior post that the business failed, you said I was a failure. And it had nothing to do with the context of supporting people. You just started that little shenannigan to backpedal on this post.
You’re a mean-spirited, ugly person that thrives on trying to “outdo” me and tries to humiliate me in a public forum to make you feel better about yourself. That’s pathetic for a grown man.
September 20, 2012 at 2:00 pm
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Yeah, I doubt Libby is a hunter. What kind of target shooting are you going to do in public? Maybe we can ask James Holmes.
Watcher. You can put ASSAULT RIFLE in all caps if you like but most people have a warped understanding of firearms. I bet you judge a gun by how it LOOKS (see, I can use all caps too0.
Hmm, am I thinking? I said “man with gun” does not equal violence and you write back IN ALL CAPS to say an ASSAULT RIFLE in a public parking lot means violence. Excuse me, did you just introduce a new category of firearm of “target rifle?” Jeez, take off your Brady anti-gun blinders and learn something about guns.
I trust if you saw a PISTOL (there, more caps) in a public parking lot you would probably wet your pants as well.
Airhead…your little article notes that 511 murders were committed by some weapon other than a gun. I realize you live in fantasy land where criminal behavior can be managed by good intentions and feel good-ism.
Our country is larger and we are not “subjects.” If you like a gun-free, lack of freedom, go ahead. We could trade stats and articles all day. Fact is, we’re not “subjects” and I trust my fellow citizens more than criminals. You seem to be the other way around.
It also states the U.S. had 4,553 from weapons other than guns. What exactly is your point?
The U.S. has a rate of 5.0 per 100,000 for murder and the U.K. has a rate of 1.4 per 100,000. In other words (I’m speaking slowly hear so you’ll understand), the U.S. has 3-1/2 times the number of murders than the U.K. Per capita (that means this number takes into account the difference in population in case you didn’t know.) We are a murderous society which is spurred on by the number of weapons readily available to our citizens.
The right to own firearms is not freedom in my book. It only makes me more afraid, which equals less freedom. I don’t trust my fellow citizens because I don’t know which one of them might pull out a gun and shoot me because I didn’t signal before I turned or I took their shopping cart at the grocery store.
People like you do not instill freedom, only fear and ignorance. So bye, bye Bonehead.
September 20, 2012 at 3:06 pm
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Actually, look at this target rifle (there is indeed a terminology for this).
I would love to see your look if you saw this anywhere, parking lot or otherwise.
to me, man with a gun in a public place, like say a movie theatre in Colorado, or maybe even a college campus…or even a high school or a public meeting at a mall in Arizona…spells TROUBLE (yes, CAPS) in any stretch. If he was going to a gun shop, innocnelty as has been suggested, then he should have had it in a gun case.
You are correct, I know little about guns and never care too. Guns are for killing things, for the most part, if they are in public highways and byways where they are not needed.
I would be much more amenable to being rational about gun control if the gun nuts weren’t so arbitrary on ANY (more caps) kind of control, to the point of making some ridiculous arguments that I am sure they cannot actually believe.
The police were correct in stopping this man, regardless of why he had a gun in a public parking lot. After so many mass shootings lately, what were they…or we…to think?
There are many people every day with a gun on them (concealed or open carry) who are law abiding. My comments are about this story and that the man was “handling” the gun beside his truck. Walking up and talking to him is one thing. Many people tackling him seems to be another. If there are details the story did not include, fine.
The “gun nuts” as you call them (no bias there) realize there are plenty of “controls” in place now. Do you realize how many different state and federal laws govern guns and their purchase? They are the most highly regulated consumer product in the market, period. Do you seriously believe yet one more law would stop a bad person from committing a crime? Why do judges and lawyers so often waive gun charges as part of plea deals. It is the “gun nuts” including the NRA who you will regularly say “enforce current laws.”
Sorry, the “anti gun nuts” will be happy with only one thing….no guns unless you are the police. This over-reaction that “all gun owners in public or nuts and scare me” is crazy.
I see cars down the road all the time and don’t assume they are all drunk drivers. It is a small percentage.
Look up all the ways guns are regulated if you have an open mind.
“They are the most highly regulated consumer product in the market, period.”
As they should be. And you are right about one thing, one more law would not stop more gun violence. Only one thing will and that is a complete ban on them. England has one and they seem to be just fine with it. And they don’t have the kind of mass killings we have here in the U.S. I’m all for it. Screw the NRA.
England is fine with it? Have you been watching the crime stats over there? I don’t think so. If you choose to move to England and become a “subject” of the govt, so be it. You clearly believe the govt knows best and have a “subject” like mentality.
By the way, if you’re ever robbed don’t call the police. “Men with guns” clearly scare you. Fend for yourself. When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away by the way. God forbid you consider taking responsibility for yourself and perhaps consider carrying a firearm for self-defense.
“Eww, they scar me, guns are bad.” You are pathetic, but at least you stopped liking your own comments 5 seconds after posting it.
Oh, just shut up Wayne. You’re the pathetic one. Does a gun make you feel like a real big man? Can’t imagine fending for yourself without your gun for protection? Grow up and stop playing cowboys & indians and cops & robbers. I don’t hear anyone in England whining that they can’t go target shooting. Small price to save us from idiots like you waiving your guns around to prove how tough you are. This isn’t the wild, wild west anymore.
September 21, 2012 at 2:54 pm
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I know thinking through facts and reason are a challenge, but perhaps you should do some research and understand a topic before responding:
I said they are fine with a gun ban. So take your condescending remarks and shove it.
September 21, 2012 at 3:06 pm
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And I know reading the whole article instead of just the headlines and pictures is a challenge for you. Because this article you reference says nothing about murder or guns, dumba$s. It mentioned only rape, burglary, robbery and theft. You need to do your homework Bud.
September 24, 2012 at 3:18 pm
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“Oh, just shut up Wayne. You’re the pathetic one. Does a gun make you feel like a real big man? Can’t imagine fending for yourself without your gun for protection? Grow up and stop playing cowboys & indians and cops & robbers. I don’t hear anyone in England whining that they can’t go target shooting. Small price to save us from idiots like you waiving your guns around to prove how tough you are. This isn’t the wild, wild west anymore.”
So your comment says a few things: The weak should just toughen up or get beaten to a pulp, because they have to be a “real man” to defend themselves. Look at your premise, you don’t like guns, but you seem to be ok with someone defending themselves with fists, and you seem to be ok with insulting that same person if they can’t defend themselves (Wayne, from your point of view)
References made again about him being a “big man”. Again with the woman who is butt hurt about men. So you want a man who is a big man that beats everyone up and you’re ok with that right? Your comment, not mine.
If you always believe you’re living in the shadow of men maybe you won’t get as much respect from them. Just a thought. Questioning a man’s manhood is the equivalent of a lack of self esteem. You don’t need to question his manhood to be respected woman.
I can’t tell you how many times I see woman of your type (not all, so I’m not labeling women here) throw out the “you feel like a big man?” whenever a guy basically debates or argues with them. No. We don’t. We aren’t trying to dominate you are beat you with a rock. We aren’t some dumb mamamal whenever we disagree with you.
I said nothing of defending yourself with your fists. There are plenty of ways to defend yourself from bullies. I should know. I’ve been doing it on IJ with you for months.
What the hell is the butt hurt crack? (No pun intended.) What the hell are you talking about? I’m not alright with men beating up women, so another assumption about me that is incorrect.
I walk in no-one’s shadow. And I question anyone’s manhood that needs a gun to feel superior.
“I see women of your type”. And just what type would that be, Bob? Because you wouldn’t be making an assuption about me, would you? Of course you would. You don’t know any women of my type, buster. You can’t handle a woman with a brain and some fight. You continue to try to get the upper hand and it’s just killing you that I won’t cave, man. (No innuendo intended, hahahahahaha).
September 24, 2012 at 5:50 pm
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“Can’t imagine fending for yourself without your gun for protection?”
That makes implication of fists. Maybe in your la la land where you’ve been sheltered as a woman you can end some fights with words. Not the case. I have to assume that you aren’t making the assumption that us men are cavemen. Sometimes bullies fight, no matter what. Us guys learn from a young age we get beaten up, no matter what we do.
Your comment of learning to defend himself with a gun, is logically the way you worded it talking about defending himself with his fists. It’s the only way one can defend themselves when they are bullied, robbed, etc. Don’t act naive, there is no form of defense, and you implied there was. If there is, I challenge you yet again to not throw out cliches, and I challenge you to list the defense option when you are bullied and or robbed that doesn’t involve getting hurt. Can’t list one? Then shut the hell up.
I’d love for you to tell the rest of that to my wife. I would love to see how I can’t handle a capable woman. You are butt hurt, and there the butt hurt is again. You being a woman is never brought up in the conversations, except for when you throw out phrases like “big man”. I was very clear on the type, it’s not an assumption that you are the type of woman that throws out the phrase “big man” to belittle a man’ manhood, and your rebuttal shows your attempt to do that to me, and Wayne. I don’t care much, you’re clueless when it comes to men.
I am not a bully. Of the two of us I sought a positive resolution. In this convo you’ve said the phrase “it’s not fair” when I said does it sound fair to stop throwing me into these conversations. Yes, because YOU need to balance it. That’s what this is all about, a puffed up butt hurt woman trying to show she can play with the boys. Problem is I never said you couldn’t. So who the hell are you trying to sell libby?
“Us guys”??? Really, Bob? Where did you go to school?
The “implication” for my statement was that Wayne can be the bully because he always has his big, bad gun to fall back on. Who’s gonna argue with a man with gun? Especially if you don’t have one, too. Get into an argument? (Just like the story that prompted this blog.) Just get out your gun and YOU WIN!!! Logical? Yes. Get it? Good. Now you shut up.
You still didn’t explain the “butt hurt” comment, so I have to assume that you can’t. It’s just another way to demean women without appearing to demean them. Something you are very good at. Your little veiled comments show me what you think about women without you having to be blatant about it. You think you are sneaky &/or smooth, but I see right through you.
And as far as your “positive resolution”? I remember throwing out the same offer in a past conversation only to be meant with the taunt “Don’t try to backpedal now, Libby”. So take your mediocre offer and shove it. I will never have a civil exchange with you because you are a bully with an Ipod. You don’t use your fists (further evidence that you can fend for yourself without a gun), you use words to try to humiliate, demean, objectify, and hurt others. Those “others” being me. I would love to talk to your wife. Give me her number. I’d also like her to see some of the comments you have made to me. Doubt she would be very happy with some of them. Have you also had to “teach her a lesson”? Or did she come compliant when you got her?
“All I said, is STOP referring to me when you think someone’s an asshole, or inaccurate, etc. Does that sound unfair?”
I said it does sound unfair because you ARE an asshole as evidenced so many times with your posts. I call ’em as I see ’em and if someone’s being a “Bob” I will say so.
Your time to make nice with me ended a long time ago, (remember Googlegal?) so I suggest you just keep your remarks to yourself and quit trying to egg me on. I am done trying to play nice with you. It’s on, baby.
September 25, 2012 at 1:32 pm
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Libby:
We all already knew you were googlegal.
Further to the point you were NOT talking about winning a verbal argument with a gun. You were talking about robberies etc, or having a gun at all. See the comment you replied to saying he felt bigger with a gun, you replied to and I quote:
“By the way, if you’re ever robbed don’t call the police. “Men with guns” clearly scare you. Fend for yourself. When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away by the way. God forbid you consider taking responsibility for yourself and perhaps consider carrying a firearm for self-defense.”
It’s on all right. And you’re @%@ing in the wrong. And furthermore, I had my chance to make amense with you? And I lost it? Sounds like someone is the type who basically fights, and fights, and fights, and fights, and thinks they are the high and mighty one. My arrogance doesn’t have people grovel to my feet, as we see with you I was willing to let things go. But you needed things to go perfectly your way. I’m sorry miss arrogance, but your crap isn’t going to fly with me.
You wanted to “let things go”? Funny way of showing it. You could have “let it go” without responding to the post at all. That would have been letting it go. But no, you had to get on here and give me a dressing down because you know best.
I know to what I was referring when I responded to Wayne. He feels “safe” because he has his gun. I don’t have one and never have and I “fend for myself” just fine. So go away with your “I’m right and you’re wrong” rhetoric. It’s pathetic and childish. Grow up. Your a grown man for God’s sake. Act like it.
September 21, 2012 at 3:16 pm
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Libby,
I quoted from the article correctly, that crime rates are higher. I realize this is hard for you to get your arms around, but does it ever cross your mind that people are more likely to rape, rob, break in, and steal when they know their victims are unarmed? A survey was done in the United States of prisoners and the far majority answered: Are you more or less likely to attack a victim if you know they are armed? Guess what, they consistently say they avoid that person or house if they don’t know. (Which they don’t know if “pro gun” states.)
Gee, that is hard to believe isn’t it?
I need to do my homework? I quoted the article correctly and I can easily connect the dots.
Gun ownership reduces crime. Get past your bias and think.
Again, I’ll speak real slowly for you so maybe you’ll understand. I said “England is fine with a gun ban” not “England is fine with their crime stats”. Big difference dufus. And no, I don’t think people are less likely to rape, pillage, and plunder if citizens have guns. For one thing they don’t know if I do or I don’t, so that comment doesn’t even make sense. You will not win the argument that guns are good because they’re not.
Give it up with your attempt to insult me. I don’t think enough of your opinion to be offended.
So, real slow for you…you said you wish to ban guns like they do in England. Rapes, robberies, burglaries and theft are all higher in England than here. I provided info from a survey where those in prison said they are less likely to attack someone who is armed. I point out that England may have more crime because everyone is disarmed and in the face of all that you deny that being armed may lessen crime. Amazing.
Let’s not put you in charge of Homeland Security. “Maybe if we disarm all of our nukes, everyone will just leave us alone. Let’s get rid of all those pesky airplanes while we’re at it.”
You then say “they don’t know if I do or don’t.” Well, I asked in the context of your precious England where criminals do know their victims are unarmed. Guess what…those crimes are all higher. They attack with confidence. That is what you would get here. I guess you are willing to tolerate more rapes, thefts, robberies
Police are not paid to defend you. Courts have stipulated this and said police are not obligated to defend you. They are called to clean up and investigate.
September 24, 2012 at 8:22 am
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but in 2009 the U.S. had 9,203 homicides commited with firearms compared to the U.K, who had only 39 in 2011. You’re drastically uninformed and definitely not smart enough to own a firearm.
Taking shit from a man? Taking shit from a man? Are you serious?
Women can have abortions, men can’t choose to leave the child to the woman to take care of, unless the woman ok’s it. She doesn’t have to get my ok to abandon her responsibility. No matter what we have to take care of our kids. You are all for abortion for yourself if you’re not ready emotionally or fiscally. But when it comes to a man? Forget him, he’s a dead beat for walking out on his kid right? Walking out on his responsibility?
In the new health bill there are three categories: Children, elderly, and women that get special provisions. Everyone else is treated the same. Women get a well visit cared to their needs. There is no such act that has a “man” well visit. Breast cancer kill rates are equal to prostate cancer kill rates. The new healthcare plan specifically gives preventive treatment, scans, and more care to breast cancer. Prostate cancer is not a part of the bill. 56% of medicare benefits go to women. They live about 6 years longer on average, link that to the medicare coverage and you’ll have a clue. You think you know about putting up with shit?
Child support: Overwhelmingly, the woman gets the kid, the male gets the child support role.
We get drafted. Do you? Men came up with that why? Because our lives mean less than protecting yours.
Women worked at home. You consider that an insult. Back in the day do you know why you worked at home? Because the man’s life was worth less, and remind me, how many women work in the mines?. Hard labor is dominated by 95% men’s work force, and it makes up 60% of America’s workforce. Men do it anyway, and we don’t complain about “pay inequality” like feminists like you do. (I’m not making an assumption, we’ve had this debate before if you don’t remember)
And you’re talking about a smart woman who won’t take shit from a man? More like one who’s willing to take anything she can get. Where it concerns you, you’ll take all you can get, but you won’t give. Your business, you keep saying I don’t know who it supported and you could have done it but that you wanted to do what you wanted to do. Well, a “man” would have gone with that business to get more money, and to support his society. Even if he didn’t want to do it.
Studies show that men work more over time, more holiday, don’t care as much about the “benefits” from a job. A man searches for a job differently than a woman. You search for “comfort” we search for “survival”.
Society overwhelmingly favors women (I’m not saying this makes them the worse gender, but denying this is stupidity), and you’re going to talk about how you’re our nightmare because you won’t take any shit from a man? You’re right in a way, you are our nightmare, because you won’t take shit from a man, but you are perfectly ok with taking everything else.
You know what I expect from women, and likely Wayne as well? To be treated as an equal. I expect for my life to matter just as much as hers, not for her to get breast cancer treatment and me to be left behind with prostate cancer. I want to live to be the same age as a woman. I want to have a say in whether or not I am ready to have a kid, not you force me into it. You talk the talk as if your life was hard, and as if us men have held you back. Hell no Libby. Hell no. Women like you hold us back.
OMG! If I hadn’t proved how sexist you are by now, you just did it for me. And beautifully, I might add. Thank you so much.
Your life is worth less than a woman’s? What a joke! You are pathetic in your attempts to try and paint the picture that men are victims of society.
Working at home? That job is 3 times harder than digging a ditch, buddy. I’d like to see you try it. There have been social studies done with men trying to fill the role of woman in the household and they crumble like little babies. We do that AND work a full time job.
This is one topic where you are OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE and just need to put your tail between your legs and scamper off like the wounded little puppy you will be if you continue this ridiculous nonsense.
Since men make, on average, 20% more than a woman you can pay for your own goddamn prostate exam. Cry me a river!
Try again, Bob. A try to be a little less hilarious with the next one, OK?
Not one comment in that post was sexist. It was showing you what men deal with, which you have not one clue on. All were facts. Facts which are true are not sexist.
You have said before it’s your body, you should have the right to choose. It’s my emotions and my finances. I should have the right to choose. My comment doesn’t make me sexist regarding children.
We go to war. You don’t. We put up with shit there, you do not. That comment was not sexist.
You get our kids and take our money in society more often than not. That’s not sexist, that’s shit we put up with.
You guys worked at home, because we worked the mines. Not because you were inferior. That is not sexist. That’s what happened. We put up with shit and died in those mines. We still dominate the hard labor industry, while you (you being you, a feminist, not women in genearal) fight for equal wages and better healthcare we aren’t getting those same things.
You get 56% of medicare costs, you live longer. We literally die younger. We put up with shit. This is not sexist, this is a fact. We put up with shit.
Your comment about not taking shit from a man, ignores the shit men have to go through by default in society.
You supposedly don’t take shit from a man, which implies that YOU are in fact the person who is AGAINST MEN and I replied stating you as a woman do NOT know what men go through, and your feminist implications are bullshit.
Name how one of my comments made me sexist, and name ONE that was not a fact. We aren’t having the bull crap emotions thrown out to disregard facts because you “feel” it is sexist, got it?
You are a feminist. We’ve had the pay inequality debate. You lost.
September 25, 2012 at 1:57 pm
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You are a joke. YOU put up with ____?? OMG, where do I start?
1. Women are sexually harrassed on a continual basis. When I was a teenager and worked in a pizza joint my boss chased me around the pizza oven trying to feel my boobs. We’re objectified sex objects for many men.
2. I do not recall a debate on pay inequality and if we had one I certainly didn’t lose. There are tons of statistics out there that prove it.
3. We are subject to glass ceilings in the workplace. If you doubt it, look at the upper management and boards of any insurance agency or company and see which gender is the majority despite the fact that overall make-up of the organization is female.
4. We are subjected to more domestic abuse than men. Because men are stronger and some view as chattel.
5. Men worked in the mines and women didn’t because physically a man is stronger than a woman. Plain and simple. It’s not because your life is devalued as you tried to portray.
6. Women are now going into combat. Men no longer have a lock on that one.
7. The feminist movement wasn’t created because we have historically been treated fairly and respectfully by men. If that were true we would have no need for a movement.
8. Women in other parts of the world are still treated as property by their husbands, who have every right to beat them and even kill them if they desire.
So take your hilarious “WE PUT UP WITH SH__T” nonsense and go somewhere else with it. Everyone puts up with shit. You don’t even know the half of it. They don’t say it’s a man’s world for nothing, pal. You will not win this argument. And yes, we argue. We don’t debate.
Another lunatic with an assault weapon! Maybe a psychological exam before selling these things would be appropriate.
Sorry, did I miss what he did that was actually illegal? Getting mad, legal. Going to one’s truck afterwards, legal. Even picking up a weapon that is stored in one’s vehicle, legal.
I realize the police are in a tough situation and must make a call as to how to react, but I’m not sure I follow what was illegal unless gun ownership alone is illegal. Did he point his gun at someone? Did he make a threatening comment?
Simply seeing a weapon is not guilt, is it?
Wayne, I did notice there is no report of a weapons charge. What will likely get him is the assault charge. I am not a lawyer but think the legal standard is something along the lines of ‘causing a reasonable person to be apprehensive of imminent bodily harm’.
According to a more detailed news report, Mr. Knight had the AR-15 rifle fully loaded, safety off, with a round in the chamber. Upon execution of a search warrant on his trailer police found an apparent ‘last will and testament’ suggesting he may have had no plan to return home. Interestingly they also found thirteen large pythons and some rabbits.
The report mentioned he was from Utah, and a quick Google-Fu pulls up a 2010 Asylum.com article from St. George Utah where firefighters responded to put out a fire at a trailer owned by Mark Knight which had 19 large python snakes inside.
Thanks for the thoughtful response. Fair point about the assault charge but this article didn’t come out and say that.
The “last will” does not show he got mad all of a sudden and returned to his vehicle if one assumes that means pre-meditation. I have a will at the house as well so that doesn’t really prove anything.
Thanks for the response.
I guess I’d rather have them make a mistake and he get off than be able to follow through if he was planning to make an assault. Sure seems like it though. He was irate and went to his truck and took out his gun. Don’t think he was going to clean it there in the parking lot. It will be interesting to see if the charge sticks.
Perhaps you could then pay his legal fees for your apparent over-reaction every time you apparently see a gun.
Guns kill. If I see someone in public with one, I want them arrested. I could care less if they try to sue.
You clearly are an emotional person. Plenty of people use them every day for target shooting and self-defense. You can choose to be a walking sitting duck. Don’t lump us in with your sound bite crime fighting.
People to not hunt or target shoot in public. Get a grip. This isn’t the wild, wild west. Gun toting citizens have no place in a public place. That’s just crazy. Keep your guns, but keep them away from me. There’s nothing emotional about it. I don’t trust hot-headed bozos with guns.
At the very least, he was trying to intimidate the people he was mad at. That would classify as menacing, don’t you think?
Being mad is not against the law/
Terrorizing and aggravated assault are. That’s what he was arrested for. Just because we have the right to bear arms doesn’t mean you can go out to your car and waive your gun around after you get mad at someone.
For the sake of two things here I’m going to comment.
Comment one: I agree with Libby regarding this one. A guys walks into a place with a gun it’s either intimidation to get what they want or it’s to use it to get what they want.
Coment two: You are in dire need of an attitude check, you make it impossible for moderates to agree with you because of your polarized attitude. This makes twice that you’ve said someone sounds just like me. You’re a jerk in these places often, and/or you make untrue unresearched comments (like your belief that Osama was killed in Afghanistan, or comments about Iraq, or comments about Paul Ryan and Romney that are inaccurate, such as getting rid of Medicare). I don’t like it when you do that or say things that just are wrong around here. But I do not tell other people “oh man, you sound just like that Libby girl, god she’s wrong on everything and is such an extreme lefty”.
*Rolls Eyes* This is exactly why I make a point out of commenting to you. You’re out of line continually. And you need to stop.
Only problem is that you are greeing with a false premise. Story said he was standing by his teuck. He did mot walk into any place with a gun.
Wow, siri/iphone failed me on that one. Sorry for typos.
Bob (aka Libby stalker) – this is about the 6th time you’ve brought up the Osama bin Laden comment. Give it a rest. I never said Romney & Ryan are getting rid of Medicare. So give that a rest, too. My comments about Iraq are not untrue. Many believe the same things I believe. Just because we can’t prove it doesn’t mean it isn’t true. I will say something positive about you (and I had to really reach for it) but you have taught me to do better research. I doubt you will find too many more blatant gaffs from me like the bin Laden one. But I’m sure you’ll still be bringing that up next year and the year after that as you continue to stalk me. You said Sally Kohn’s “untrue” article was about Romney’s speech and it was about Ryan’s. But I don’t feel a need to rub your nose in it every five minutes, because I know people are human and make mistakes. I sure hope you are not raising any children. They would be terrified to make a mistake for fear of being humiliated and reminded of it every time they turn around. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – LEAVE ME ALONE.
Libby:
See last post site with us two debating. You did say Romney and Ryan were getting rid of medicare. I could pull up the comment if you would like.
Second comment: I am not following you around. We post on the same site. Stop acting rude.
Third comment: Stop posting about me! I watch these sites and this is about the third time you’ve compared me to another poster here. That is showing it’s you who won’t let it go.
Fourth comment: I’m not going to let go that you make assumptions about my beliefs, and label me as a right wing extremist. I’m also not going to let go of your rudeness on this site. You want me to let it go? Then stop bringing me up. That sound fair?
1) Pull it up Bob. I know I said they were getting rid of Medicare “as we know it”. So pull up where I said they were getting rid of Medicare all together.
2) Wayne already told me he enjoyed watching you “spank” me on this site, so I know he is taking his cues from you. Telling me I haven’t done my research or if I do, it’s paper thin and overall responding to me with an upfront rude tone. So I was not speaking out of turn when I asked him if he was your brother.
3) First this was the second time I mentioned you, now it’s the third. Get it straight. If you start to exaggerate you will lose credibility. I only mention your name when people respond to my posts in a pompous, supercillious, and condescending way. Because it always reminds me of you.
4) I don’t care what you let go of. Your posts about economic issues are textbook right wing, which makes you right wing. And when did I call YOU an extremist?
And you’ve made assumptions about me and my beliefs from the get go! Doesn’t feel good, does it?
Alright that last one was enough Libby, whatever the hell is in your head, get it out.
You are acting voracious. Like you’re being singled out, or something similar, possibly due to your thoughts of what happens when you’re a woman. And it needs to stop.
My credibility? I’m sorry Libby, anyone who says that Osama was killed in Afghanistan, while claiming they know about Iraq loses ALL credibility.
Condescending and pompous, yes, indeed. You just don’t like it when I come in and point out that you’re completely wrong in many posts, like the patriot act. To you, that was pompous. To people who debate, they know that’s how you do it. You don’t make it emotional, you don’t say “I believe this”. You make a fact oriented post, and you ask for a counter fact to disprove it. If no counter fact is available, you were right the other person was wrong. You seem to not like being wrong. That’s the problem. Yesterday I watched a 2 hour video of a summit video with Obama just to put a friend at ease on the issue. I told them they were right following it. A democrat.
You have called me extreme right. Let’s not joke around on that one.
I have made assumptions about you, which have every single time been accurate. I made them with details that blatantly made it clear. Like about you not being able to make a business which could support an economy. You said you owned a business. Past tense. So I hate to hurt your feelings, but that means you could not support 20-30 people in a business. Other than that can you list any real assumptions I’ve made that just hurt your widdle feelings Libby? Any times that I said that you were trying to get rid of guns because you were a liberal? Labeling people based on very typical stereo types along the parties is something I have NEVER done to you. And you are now tasked with pulling up one time I have. Good luck with that Libby.
Now then: Crying wolf, and stating I’m attacking you how does it feel now that I get it back is the epitome of out of line. I have never labled you BECAUSE you were a democrat. Not once. I have never said you are a democrat so you MUST believe this. Not once. And I won’t accept it being said to me. That is the same as racism, and I’ve pointed that out to you before.
Bob, I don’t care what you choose to accept or not accept. Your assumptions of me have been broad and INaccurate. You do not know anything about me. Or about my past business or how many people it supported or didn’t support. Yet you continue to make these broad brush comments about me. Well, you know what? People that know me know the kind of person I am and theirs is the only opinion that matters to me. I am not a crying wolf type, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. And you are attacking me on a regular basis. But it’s the highlight of my day, so go ahead. I’ll keep going head to head with you. You think you win every point but you haven’t. You just ignore the points you lose or try to change the topic when it gets tough for you. I know your tactics.
And I am NOT, repeat, NOT debating on this site. I am blogging. I’ve already told you several times that I was not on the debate team and have no desire to start now. If you disagree with a post of mine, it doesn’t mean you are right and I am wrong. I have made mistakes on some postings and I have readily admitted them. Which makes me a much bigger person than you who will never concede one point even when it’s clear I am right. You are a little man with a need to “beat” the girl you find annoying and irksome. I will not be bullied by you. So bring it on!
1. I didn’t know I had a brother.
2. Libby calls me an asshole. I think her debating skills begin and end with emotion. As I said before, if I thought more of her opinion it may actually offend me.
3. Bob seems to think. I’ve never noticed his comments that I recall but, then again, I don’t apparently “blog” (is that what this is?) like the two of you. I don’t recall every enjoying anyone being “spanked” on here. Bitch-slapped in this case may be more appropriate.
4. Bob, how does one exaggerate versus “over-exaggerate?”
5. Voice recognition is a trip. I was at a movie and asked someone to pick up some popcorn (via voice dictation). The message they received was: “Please pick up some porn for us.” Nice.
Libby:
When you make a comment as if it were a fact, and then you rebuttal to Wayne, you’re debating on this site. I don’t care if you were on a debate team or not.
What’s interesting is that you didn’t have an example for how I was making assumptions about you, other than the one I listed. In the premise of why I made that comment, I said that you had no desire to support the public, and would not. You said how dare you I owned a business. And I said “had” a business. Which means you have no desire to keep one running in order to support other people. It’s all about context. It’s not “judging” you. In that particular conversation it was merely pointing out you wanted to tax people more, and you didn’t realize how the system worked. It wasn’t about “you”. It was about what was right for America.
I don’t care about “you” when I’m talking about an issue. I care about the issue. I don’t mean that to say I hate you. I mean I choose to focus on the issue.
Now again, drop your anger here. I can only ask so many times. I have given you considerable kindness in comparison to what you’re giving me in these posts. Are you going to drop this or not?
What did I comment on that was “fact”? I said I didn’t like guns. He responded with some stupidity about not liking drunk drivers but liking cars. I pointed out that it was the alcohol that made them drunk, not the car, to show his analogy was inappropriate. What kind of “fact” did I state that I then rebuttaled or debated?
I didn’t say “How dare you!”. I said you don’t know anything about me because you said I knew nothing about running a business and I used to own my own my business. You then went on to characterize me as a “failure”. I have a very keen memory on how that posting went, so don’t try to recreate history.
But how dare you say I “have no desire to support the public” just because I no longer own a business! How do you think business owners support the public? By themselves? No! They have employees. I happen to be an employee of someone else now, which supports the public. You know nothing about me or what I do to support the public. Volunteer work, paying more than my fair share of taxes because I happen to be married without children, donating to charitable organizations. I support the public in every way I can. Again, your assumptions about me are with no basis in fact. But I am “crying wolf” and “being a big baby” when I tell you you have consistently insulted me and wrongly characterized me. I call you right-wing because of your economic position. That’s a far cry from you calling me a baby killer, immoral, stupid, childish, a failure, a freaking moron, and someone with mental issues. Who’s being a baby now?
Libby:
If you’re so keen on the conversation, I might want to point out my “how dare you” was your reaction when I said you didn’t run a business that supported people. Past tense. So if you’re so “keen” then how are you not “keen” on even the tense of the current conversation?
I have not recreated history. And no, you do not have a keen sense of history. You have a keen sense of how you felt emotionally. How you felt and how it went are different.
The funny thing is how that conversation is only relevant to “assumptions”. We were talking about “assumption” examples. Now you’re fighting about the one I gave you, rather than finding any on your own. *wait a sec* doesn’t this mean there are no others? Now that we have established that, which I am sure you are so keen you were aware that is what we were talking about (no, you were not) I will move forward by stating: That assumption I made, in context, was accurate. I assumed that you were not able to run a business to support a group of people. You are not running a business to support a group of people. It doesn’t matter if you did, you are no longer doing it. Suffice it to say, these business owners could have pursued their happiness like you did. But they didn’t. In context I was saying they had the goodness to do the job. They cared about society. The context of that converstation was me calling the rich providers, and far kinder than your rude comments label them as. We were also talking about taxes. Which you were clueless on.
I’m not re-opening that discussion. Stay on track. What assumptions have I made about you that were stereo type typical democrat assumptions? You have made it evident your gun labeling when it comes to republicans. You’ve made it evident in the past that the reason you were against romney was gays, women’s rights, and civil issues. Our debate there was showing how you were wrong on how republicans approached those issues. I pointed out the majority of republicans support civil unions. I showed the difference between federal and state regulation. And showed you that you were labeling the republicans with broad assumptions. You have made your prejudice clear. I on the other hand have not labeled you in any way due to being a democrat. You keep saying how I labeled you a moron, or stupid. You labeled yourself that when you fought with me the way you did. I fight. Get over it. So do you. I fight back. So do you.
I would much rather have some common sense in this. Again: If you apologized, and backed the hell off, would it be wrong libby? You’re just a woman who has been attacked because you’re a woman (totally demeaning thought process toward me I might add) and I’m just a guy who assaulted you right? I got to get my come upin’s right?
You’ve made personal assumptions about me, not assumptions about my partisanship. You have labeled me and called me names. That is a fact.
I did not say how dare you in that past post. In that prior post, you said I didn’t know anything about running a business. I replied by telling you I used to own a business so you know made assumptions about me for which you had no facts. I am on track. That’s how it went down. Deal with it.
And, I’m sorry, Bob, but what you say is not important enough for me to remember other than there have been insults and assumptions too numerous to mention from you. If I had the time and still had the links, I would point them out to you. But you would still refute them and call me more names.
You started the dirty fighting way back when in another blog months ago. I have only retaliated and defended myself. So I have nothing to apologize for. Why don’t you apologize and back off? Oh that’s right! You’re always right and I’m always wrong. You’re the adult and I’m the child. I need to be taught a lesson and you’re gonna be the one to teach it to me. Again, supercillious, condescending, patronizing, insulting, and arrogant. In other words, BOB.
Libby:
Are you this ridiculous? When you talke with Wayne, and you put forth an idea that is supposed to be considered (you just want us to consider you correct?) and he replies, and you reply, and he replies, and you reply, YOU ARE DEBATING BY CHOICE.
You are debating. If you don’t like it, stop doing it!
I don’t recall you being this crazy in the past. What in the world has you riled up today?
Again, specifically, what idea did I put forth? I said I didn’t like guns. So did you. Hardly a debate, dumbass.
Wayne,
I post with an Iphone on here all the time, you wouldn’t believe the typos I have when I get to typing quickly, and iphone makes a fix that I don’t catch.
I was over exaggerating about bringing the gun in.
With that in mind I could be wrong. Maybe he had no intent.
“Backpedaling” Bob???
Do you have some sort of mental issue? Do you know why I commented? I’m backpedaling because I’m saying I over exaggerated and I just don’t like guns? I don’t. He clearly is ok with them. Should I just beat him over the head until he agrees with me?
While I am defensive to do with your attacks on me, and I brought it up in the post that I came in on, it was because I felt that you were right you freaking moron and I was not about to help you / be nice to you without putting out there that you were being rude to me.
By the way, here’s the link you should use with Wayne lower down regarding your argument against guns:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
And you know what’s funny? I’ve used this link before as a reason why I said the average life expectancy with the WHO does not include a full and complete listing for the reasons for lower life expectancies. I noted that violent deaths in the UK were so much below ours, it was insane.
So on one side of my premise, I don’t like guns (AKA not far right). On the other side, I complete the WHO’s numbers with stastics for violent deaths, infant mortality rate methodology, obesity rates and how that effects heart failure rates, and then I make a number for the average life expectency that is more realistic. This is research, as I’ve told you many times. I don’t know why you hate me, but believe me Libby, I am not a partisan so drop it!
Bob, if I recall, it was you that originally started the rudeness and name calling. I just reciprocated in kind and will continue to do so. I will not back down from you just because you “demand” it. You accuse me of backpedaling every time I try do just what you just did. Which is to admit I was generalizing, exaggerating, or not explaining myself well. It’s backpedaling when I do it, but I have a mental issue when I give it right back to you.
And speaking of debating, where is your “research” and “proof” that I am a “freaking moron”, “child”, or have a mental issue? If you can’t back it up you should stop saying it.
Libby:
I imagine about now you know you’re acting ridiculous.
In this post, you insulted me. I replied. If we are going to a he said she said, well then I hate to say it, you said first. So quite passing the blame.
In this particular piece, I have said you are acting childish, and you are. I have said you’re being a moron, and you are. I’ll call you it when you’re acting like one. My proof? Look at your comments and look at my replies. I don’t like feeling like I’m talking with someone who is immature, and right now I don’t really have a choice.
I just gave you a rather good link. I just agreed with you. All I said, is STOP referring to me when you think someone’s an asshole, or inaccurate, etc. Does that sound unfair?
No. It’s not fair. I call it as I see it. And you ARE an asshole. So if I compare another asshole to you, I am only stating the facts. Just like you state that I am childish and a moron. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it like a man and quit your blubbering.
Libby:
Shut your mmouth. I didn’t dish it out this time. I came to your pathetic aid.
I am perfectly capable of taking it. In this case Libby, I made the right action in terms of making things right with you.
And all you can say is like a crazy lunatic that you’re butt hurt. I’m not an asshole. Whether or not you like that is a different story. You seem to need an enemy. This explains a lot of your posts. Are you done yet? I don’t like being your shrink, as entertaining as it is.
Again, I don’t answer to you Bob. So I will not shut my mouth, go to the kitchen, and cook something. I don’t need your aid, I was doing perfectly well on my own. Agreeing with me and that giving me a backhand in the same post is not coming to my aid. Save it for someone else too stupid to see past your veiled attempts at nicey-nice. Too little, too late for me, Pal.
Could have pawned or sold the gun and ammo for food.
With one in the chamber??
Red state justice….
Agreed to a point. This article was poorly written because that’s not what it reads that he did in my opinion. It said he went to his truck and they saw him “handling” the gun. It never reads that he waved it in the air. I’m thinking there is a good chance they would have shot him if so. I don’t picture a bunch of people tackling a guy walking around waving a gun in the air, do you?
I said police have a tough job. I just don’t like this “man with gun” means a nut as that is also not true.
I don’t know. If I see a man in public (not hunting in the woods) with an assault weapon, I think my first thought would be “Nut!”.
Libby, your fist thought would be run. Then, that guy is nuts.
Welcome back, Captain. We’ve missed you.
Thank you, Libby. Vacation with the fam, St. Pete and Captiva Island. It was nice to get away but I bet this tan doesn’t last 3 days back here in Des Moines.
Know what you mean. Just got back from a week in Playa del Carmen and am already back to pastey white. It was the only thing I had to remind me I even had a vacation!
Thanks for showing your bias and discrimination. The fact is, many people use firearms (or, as you say, “assault weapons”) for many things like target shooting, collecting, etc.
If you saw someone using an “assault weapon” to shoot a deer (or otherwise hunting in the woods?), then I assume you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I am biased. I don’t like guns.
I hate drunk drivers but I don’t hate cars.
I hate being fat but I don’t hate spoons.
It’s the alcohol you should hate and not the cars. And it’s the food you should hate, not the spoon. I wouldn’t hate guns except for the ammunition. I guess that’s what I really hate…
Linda, I don’t make it a habit to hate inanimate objects, be they spoons, cars, food or alcohol. The fact that you blame food for being fat is bizarre (and I’m accused of not thinking).
Why don’t you try to hate drunk drivers and their behavior and realize that the alcohol didn’t make them drink it and hop in a car. Same with guns.
I don’t hate guns but I do hate criminals. Criminals have used knives, guns, cars, and other weapons. Your hate is mis-directed.
First of all, I was pointing out that your hatred was misdirected. I did not use the word hate to begin with. I said I didn’t like guns. I did change that statement and said I only hate ammunition. Without ammunition, guns are harmless.
Opposite of “don’t like.” Hate?
I “don’t like” drunk drivers but I “don’t dislike” alcohol?
Feel better? Your point about “not liking” guns is still paper thin. You should “not like” criminals. Your lumping in all gun owners as criminals is emotional and short-sighted.
I “don’t like” lame thinking but I don’t “dislike” the First Amendment.
In honor of Libby, I’ve gone through and given all of my own comments a thumbs up like she does 5 seconds after posting to make myself feel good.
Are you Bob’s brother? I don’t like guns. Call it “paper thin”, I don’t care. I don’t care who owns them or how they are used, I don’t see a point to them and I don’t like them. You like them. Great. Isn’t that the great thing about America? We can agree to disagree. And quit playing the emotional card just because I’m a woman. I don’t like guns, criminals, or drunk drivers. Happy, now?
Libby,
Don’t compare everyone on blogs who make absurd posts to me. My posts are consistently logical.
Side comment: You just not only generalize republicans to gun lovers (which not all are) you also generalized me as a far right republican. That’s entirely laughable. I’ve already given quite a bit of interest in supporting part of an autommatic 401k plan that Obama put out a while back, I’m against the death penalty, and guess what? I do not like guns.
I don’t disagree with being gay (many republicans don’t) I do disagree with the government setting up provisions which would take away funding from a religious organization who didn’t marry gays (happened in Canada.). I like most moderate republicans believe in Civil Unions, which I’ve made a point of telling you before.
Make implications about me being a far right nut all you like. It doesn’t make it true. What’s more humerous is I don’t even currently have a religion either. Ergo why I laugh at both you and Planet so often on the religious labels on the right. I don’t appreciate being labeled or generalized. Don’t do it again. Not a request.
I don’t take orders from you, Bob. Make your ultimatums to your wife.
Ah yes, you don’t take orders from me, since I’m the big bad bully right Libby?
I don’t ask bullies to stop, I tell them. That does not make me a guy that orders around women.
Further: Isn’t it you that keeps on telling me to “stop following you around?”. Well now, I don’t take orders from you Libby. Don’t take that last one seriously. I’m only pointing out how you are basically telling me to leave you alone, while you are posting things on here antagonizing me to respond, then you claim I’m following you around and cry about it saying I’m issuing you ultimatums. Really? Punch me in the face and then claim I’m a bully when I punch back? No. I think not.
By the way: Stop making the implication that I dominate women. It’s insanely inaccurate. You believe that because someone treats you like a man (and debates with you like one, rather than going soft on you) that they are trying to over power you?
Maybe you’re used to guys who baby women. I don’t.
Perhaps you’d like to talk with my daughter, or her mother on their opinions regarding how I treat women, or people in general. You’re absurd.
What’s absurd is your insatiable need to try to “put me in my place”. You do not respond to anyone else on this site the way you do to me even if they post totally inaccurate, ignorant, and stupid opinions. Only me. I happen to be a woman, many of the few on this site. I can connect the dots quite well. You bully women that don’t cow-tow to your massive ego and intellegience and agree with every word out of your mouth.
I am not used to ANYONE babying me and have been supporting myself since I was 17. I am currently a very successful Account Executive handling multi-million dollar international accounts. Not too bad for an ignorant, stupid, child as you like to call me.
And I’m not antagonizing you. I already told you Wayne idolizes you so I asked him if he was your brother. Fair question. There was no need for you to respond other than to try to get the last word like always.
Libby:
My jaw just dropped. I hear a person saying, yeah I made the comment but it’s because of you, and you’re bad because you had to have the last word.
No, you insulted me. You used me as a form of a generalization, and applied who I am to another guy. That’s also “judging” me and who I am, and then applying it as a status to someone else.
This isn’t about having the last word. It’s about being treated fairly.
Further, I have commented when someone was wrong. Agent and I debated on the fair tax. I said I disagreed. I didn’t insult him, because he’s never a jerk to me. And perhaps it’s just you’re a jerk, not that you’re a woman that has me responding the way I do to you. Just a thought.
I don’t care what your job is, who you know, etc. You seem to be used to being a part of a click. Would it bother you if you were not handling multi million dollar accounts? What does it have to do with anything?
I have called you ignorant in the topic of the matter of several specific issues. I don’t care about your personal life, and I don’t care to comment on it. I don’t care to say “woah that person totally just pulled a libby”. I know how bullies and fights start, and you fit the bill on this one. I won’t be bullied, so I’ve decided to end it in this post. Now this stuff has to end, so you can claim that’s all on me, like a child. Or you can take part, and take my attempt of being on your side as a first step toward not being at each other’s throats eh? Your choice. Either way I’m really getting sick of this. Calm yourself down Libby. Seriously. And quit with the I hate women thing. It’s ridiculous and you know it. Just on that one alone you have gone further than I ever have. You in this post have called me a woman hating stalker. And I’ve called you….What? I’ve offended you…How? I’ve done what to provoke your relentless comments this time?
Let’s see, what have you said about me? You have called me immoral and a baby killer, you have called me childish and stupid, you have made assumptions about my ability to run a business, which I think you characterized as a “failure”. There is so much, Bob, I can’t even remember them all. It was you that began this vitriol, not me.
I never claimed to be an economist, a professional debater, or a scholar. I have made mistakes in some of the things I have posted. I have admitted to all of that, but you continue to harrangue me about it. You are the one that needs to stop, not me.
In this post I have not called you a baby killer.
In the past I said to call it what it is. When you terminate a child you are terminating a child. I said man up and call it what it is. It isn’t your body, it’s a child. I don’t care what you do with it. I was only saying that as a matter of morality, you cannot decide that the baby is not a life, and then decide anyone who tries to protect it is immoral as a result. That’s on you. Other than that very specific part, I don’t care. But you always miss that.
I understand when a conservative is trying to be kind and do the right thing, and you label it is extreme.
More to the point: I have called you nothing in this post that was not appropriate considering the circumstance. I have said stop acting like a child, don’t be a moron, and quit being a jerk.
And I’ll say it again, stop acting like a child, stop being a moron, and stop being a jerk.
Bullies don’t usually like hearing that, I know, but you’re going to have to learn to stomach it and work with people rather than against them.
Further: My god do you take things personally Libby.
You failed at your business when it came to taking care of others. This means you are not doing it, someone else is.
That is NOT a characterization of you. Good god, your feathers are easily ruffled.
And just who are you to call me immoral? And you did call me a baby killer, so don’t try to deny it. I remember it because I thought at the time you don’t know anything about me or whether I am just pro-choice or have actually had an abortion. But I didn’t want to debate that issue. Especially not with a middle-class, white, conservative male.
I think men that force women into bringing unwanted children into this world are immoral. But I don’t call you immoral.
What does extreme right-wing have to do with doing the right thing? That statement had no context and made no sense.
And calling anyone names, whether you deem them appropriate or not, is bullying. You have called me in this post and in past posts many derogatory names. I in return call you an asshole and you tell me to shut my mouth. That is rich. You have alot of nerve.
And yes, I did take the failure remark personally, because it was meant to be personal. You didn’t say in that prior post that the business failed, you said I was a failure. And it had nothing to do with the context of supporting people. You just started that little shenannigan to backpedal on this post.
You’re a mean-spirited, ugly person that thrives on trying to “outdo” me and tries to humiliate me in a public forum to make you feel better about yourself. That’s pathetic for a grown man.
Yeah, I doubt Libby is a hunter. What kind of target shooting are you going to do in public? Maybe we can ask James Holmes.
You know what I hate? Hate. Intolerance. And cold winters. Why do I live here again?
Typical NRA apologists. Wayne, an ASSAULT RIFLE in a public parking lot…not a pistol, not a target rifle!
Take off the NRA blinders and think like a “rational man.” Captain Planet had it right….RUN.
Watcher. You can put ASSAULT RIFLE in all caps if you like but most people have a warped understanding of firearms. I bet you judge a gun by how it LOOKS (see, I can use all caps too0.
Hmm, am I thinking? I said “man with gun” does not equal violence and you write back IN ALL CAPS to say an ASSAULT RIFLE in a public parking lot means violence. Excuse me, did you just introduce a new category of firearm of “target rifle?” Jeez, take off your Brady anti-gun blinders and learn something about guns.
I trust if you saw a PISTOL (there, more caps) in a public parking lot you would probably wet your pants as well.
I’d do more than just wet them…
Airhead…your little article notes that 511 murders were committed by some weapon other than a gun. I realize you live in fantasy land where criminal behavior can be managed by good intentions and feel good-ism.
Our country is larger and we are not “subjects.” If you like a gun-free, lack of freedom, go ahead. We could trade stats and articles all day. Fact is, we’re not “subjects” and I trust my fellow citizens more than criminals. You seem to be the other way around.
So long airhead.
Bonehead:
It also states the U.S. had 4,553 from weapons other than guns. What exactly is your point?
The U.S. has a rate of 5.0 per 100,000 for murder and the U.K. has a rate of 1.4 per 100,000. In other words (I’m speaking slowly hear so you’ll understand), the U.S. has 3-1/2 times the number of murders than the U.K. Per capita (that means this number takes into account the difference in population in case you didn’t know.) We are a murderous society which is spurred on by the number of weapons readily available to our citizens.
The right to own firearms is not freedom in my book. It only makes me more afraid, which equals less freedom. I don’t trust my fellow citizens because I don’t know which one of them might pull out a gun and shoot me because I didn’t signal before I turned or I took their shopping cart at the grocery store.
People like you do not instill freedom, only fear and ignorance. So bye, bye Bonehead.
Actually, look at this target rifle (there is indeed a terminology for this).
I would love to see your look if you saw this anywhere, parking lot or otherwise.
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_rifle.php
Wayne
to me, man with a gun in a public place, like say a movie theatre in Colorado, or maybe even a college campus…or even a high school or a public meeting at a mall in Arizona…spells TROUBLE (yes, CAPS) in any stretch. If he was going to a gun shop, innocnelty as has been suggested, then he should have had it in a gun case.
You are correct, I know little about guns and never care too. Guns are for killing things, for the most part, if they are in public highways and byways where they are not needed.
I would be much more amenable to being rational about gun control if the gun nuts weren’t so arbitrary on ANY (more caps) kind of control, to the point of making some ridiculous arguments that I am sure they cannot actually believe.
The police were correct in stopping this man, regardless of why he had a gun in a public parking lot. After so many mass shootings lately, what were they…or we…to think?
Watcher, Always like your own comments?
There are many people every day with a gun on them (concealed or open carry) who are law abiding. My comments are about this story and that the man was “handling” the gun beside his truck. Walking up and talking to him is one thing. Many people tackling him seems to be another. If there are details the story did not include, fine.
The “gun nuts” as you call them (no bias there) realize there are plenty of “controls” in place now. Do you realize how many different state and federal laws govern guns and their purchase? They are the most highly regulated consumer product in the market, period. Do you seriously believe yet one more law would stop a bad person from committing a crime? Why do judges and lawyers so often waive gun charges as part of plea deals. It is the “gun nuts” including the NRA who you will regularly say “enforce current laws.”
Sorry, the “anti gun nuts” will be happy with only one thing….no guns unless you are the police. This over-reaction that “all gun owners in public or nuts and scare me” is crazy.
I see cars down the road all the time and don’t assume they are all drunk drivers. It is a small percentage.
Look up all the ways guns are regulated if you have an open mind.
“They are the most highly regulated consumer product in the market, period.”
As they should be. And you are right about one thing, one more law would not stop more gun violence. Only one thing will and that is a complete ban on them. England has one and they seem to be just fine with it. And they don’t have the kind of mass killings we have here in the U.S. I’m all for it. Screw the NRA.
Libby,
England is fine with it? Have you been watching the crime stats over there? I don’t think so. If you choose to move to England and become a “subject” of the govt, so be it. You clearly believe the govt knows best and have a “subject” like mentality.
By the way, if you’re ever robbed don’t call the police. “Men with guns” clearly scare you. Fend for yourself. When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away by the way. God forbid you consider taking responsibility for yourself and perhaps consider carrying a firearm for self-defense.
“Eww, they scar me, guns are bad.” You are pathetic, but at least you stopped liking your own comments 5 seconds after posting it.
Oh, just shut up Wayne. You’re the pathetic one. Does a gun make you feel like a real big man? Can’t imagine fending for yourself without your gun for protection? Grow up and stop playing cowboys & indians and cops & robbers. I don’t hear anyone in England whining that they can’t go target shooting. Small price to save us from idiots like you waiving your guns around to prove how tough you are. This isn’t the wild, wild west anymore.
I know thinking through facts and reason are a challenge, but perhaps you should do some research and understand a topic before responding:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html
England’s own papers (see above) admit to having higher crime rates than the US. Yes, they seem real “fine with it.”
I said they are fine with a gun ban. So take your condescending remarks and shove it.
And I know reading the whole article instead of just the headlines and pictures is a challenge for you. Because this article you reference says nothing about murder or guns, dumba$s. It mentioned only rape, burglary, robbery and theft. You need to do your homework Bud.
“Oh, just shut up Wayne. You’re the pathetic one. Does a gun make you feel like a real big man? Can’t imagine fending for yourself without your gun for protection? Grow up and stop playing cowboys & indians and cops & robbers. I don’t hear anyone in England whining that they can’t go target shooting. Small price to save us from idiots like you waiving your guns around to prove how tough you are. This isn’t the wild, wild west anymore.”
So your comment says a few things: The weak should just toughen up or get beaten to a pulp, because they have to be a “real man” to defend themselves. Look at your premise, you don’t like guns, but you seem to be ok with someone defending themselves with fists, and you seem to be ok with insulting that same person if they can’t defend themselves (Wayne, from your point of view)
References made again about him being a “big man”. Again with the woman who is butt hurt about men. So you want a man who is a big man that beats everyone up and you’re ok with that right? Your comment, not mine.
If you always believe you’re living in the shadow of men maybe you won’t get as much respect from them. Just a thought. Questioning a man’s manhood is the equivalent of a lack of self esteem. You don’t need to question his manhood to be respected woman.
I can’t tell you how many times I see woman of your type (not all, so I’m not labeling women here) throw out the “you feel like a big man?” whenever a guy basically debates or argues with them. No. We don’t. We aren’t trying to dominate you are beat you with a rock. We aren’t some dumb mamamal whenever we disagree with you.
I said nothing of defending yourself with your fists. There are plenty of ways to defend yourself from bullies. I should know. I’ve been doing it on IJ with you for months.
What the hell is the butt hurt crack? (No pun intended.) What the hell are you talking about? I’m not alright with men beating up women, so another assumption about me that is incorrect.
I walk in no-one’s shadow. And I question anyone’s manhood that needs a gun to feel superior.
“I see women of your type”. And just what type would that be, Bob? Because you wouldn’t be making an assuption about me, would you? Of course you would. You don’t know any women of my type, buster. You can’t handle a woman with a brain and some fight. You continue to try to get the upper hand and it’s just killing you that I won’t cave, man. (No innuendo intended, hahahahahaha).
“Can’t imagine fending for yourself without your gun for protection?”
That makes implication of fists. Maybe in your la la land where you’ve been sheltered as a woman you can end some fights with words. Not the case. I have to assume that you aren’t making the assumption that us men are cavemen. Sometimes bullies fight, no matter what. Us guys learn from a young age we get beaten up, no matter what we do.
Your comment of learning to defend himself with a gun, is logically the way you worded it talking about defending himself with his fists. It’s the only way one can defend themselves when they are bullied, robbed, etc. Don’t act naive, there is no form of defense, and you implied there was. If there is, I challenge you yet again to not throw out cliches, and I challenge you to list the defense option when you are bullied and or robbed that doesn’t involve getting hurt. Can’t list one? Then shut the hell up.
I’d love for you to tell the rest of that to my wife. I would love to see how I can’t handle a capable woman. You are butt hurt, and there the butt hurt is again. You being a woman is never brought up in the conversations, except for when you throw out phrases like “big man”. I was very clear on the type, it’s not an assumption that you are the type of woman that throws out the phrase “big man” to belittle a man’ manhood, and your rebuttal shows your attempt to do that to me, and Wayne. I don’t care much, you’re clueless when it comes to men.
I am not a bully. Of the two of us I sought a positive resolution. In this convo you’ve said the phrase “it’s not fair” when I said does it sound fair to stop throwing me into these conversations. Yes, because YOU need to balance it. That’s what this is all about, a puffed up butt hurt woman trying to show she can play with the boys. Problem is I never said you couldn’t. So who the hell are you trying to sell libby?
Jesus.
“Us guys”??? Really, Bob? Where did you go to school?
The “implication” for my statement was that Wayne can be the bully because he always has his big, bad gun to fall back on. Who’s gonna argue with a man with gun? Especially if you don’t have one, too. Get into an argument? (Just like the story that prompted this blog.) Just get out your gun and YOU WIN!!! Logical? Yes. Get it? Good. Now you shut up.
You still didn’t explain the “butt hurt” comment, so I have to assume that you can’t. It’s just another way to demean women without appearing to demean them. Something you are very good at. Your little veiled comments show me what you think about women without you having to be blatant about it. You think you are sneaky &/or smooth, but I see right through you.
And as far as your “positive resolution”? I remember throwing out the same offer in a past conversation only to be meant with the taunt “Don’t try to backpedal now, Libby”. So take your mediocre offer and shove it. I will never have a civil exchange with you because you are a bully with an Ipod. You don’t use your fists (further evidence that you can fend for yourself without a gun), you use words to try to humiliate, demean, objectify, and hurt others. Those “others” being me. I would love to talk to your wife. Give me her number. I’d also like her to see some of the comments you have made to me. Doubt she would be very happy with some of them. Have you also had to “teach her a lesson”? Or did she come compliant when you got her?
“All I said, is STOP referring to me when you think someone’s an asshole, or inaccurate, etc. Does that sound unfair?”
I said it does sound unfair because you ARE an asshole as evidenced so many times with your posts. I call ’em as I see ’em and if someone’s being a “Bob” I will say so.
Your time to make nice with me ended a long time ago, (remember Googlegal?) so I suggest you just keep your remarks to yourself and quit trying to egg me on. I am done trying to play nice with you. It’s on, baby.
Libby:
We all already knew you were googlegal.
Further to the point you were NOT talking about winning a verbal argument with a gun. You were talking about robberies etc, or having a gun at all. See the comment you replied to saying he felt bigger with a gun, you replied to and I quote:
“By the way, if you’re ever robbed don’t call the police. “Men with guns” clearly scare you. Fend for yourself. When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away by the way. God forbid you consider taking responsibility for yourself and perhaps consider carrying a firearm for self-defense.”
It’s on all right. And you’re @%@ing in the wrong. And furthermore, I had my chance to make amense with you? And I lost it? Sounds like someone is the type who basically fights, and fights, and fights, and fights, and thinks they are the high and mighty one. My arrogance doesn’t have people grovel to my feet, as we see with you I was willing to let things go. But you needed things to go perfectly your way. I’m sorry miss arrogance, but your crap isn’t going to fly with me.
You wanted to “let things go”? Funny way of showing it. You could have “let it go” without responding to the post at all. That would have been letting it go. But no, you had to get on here and give me a dressing down because you know best.
I know to what I was referring when I responded to Wayne. He feels “safe” because he has his gun. I don’t have one and never have and I “fend for myself” just fine. So go away with your “I’m right and you’re wrong” rhetoric. It’s pathetic and childish. Grow up. Your a grown man for God’s sake. Act like it.
Libby,
I quoted from the article correctly, that crime rates are higher. I realize this is hard for you to get your arms around, but does it ever cross your mind that people are more likely to rape, rob, break in, and steal when they know their victims are unarmed? A survey was done in the United States of prisoners and the far majority answered: Are you more or less likely to attack a victim if you know they are armed? Guess what, they consistently say they avoid that person or house if they don’t know. (Which they don’t know if “pro gun” states.)
Gee, that is hard to believe isn’t it?
I need to do my homework? I quoted the article correctly and I can easily connect the dots.
Gun ownership reduces crime. Get past your bias and think.
Again, I’ll speak real slowly for you so maybe you’ll understand. I said “England is fine with a gun ban” not “England is fine with their crime stats”. Big difference dufus. And no, I don’t think people are less likely to rape, pillage, and plunder if citizens have guns. For one thing they don’t know if I do or I don’t, so that comment doesn’t even make sense. You will not win the argument that guns are good because they’re not.
Libby,
Give it up with your attempt to insult me. I don’t think enough of your opinion to be offended.
So, real slow for you…you said you wish to ban guns like they do in England. Rapes, robberies, burglaries and theft are all higher in England than here. I provided info from a survey where those in prison said they are less likely to attack someone who is armed. I point out that England may have more crime because everyone is disarmed and in the face of all that you deny that being armed may lessen crime. Amazing.
Let’s not put you in charge of Homeland Security. “Maybe if we disarm all of our nukes, everyone will just leave us alone. Let’s get rid of all those pesky airplanes while we’re at it.”
You then say “they don’t know if I do or don’t.” Well, I asked in the context of your precious England where criminals do know their victims are unarmed. Guess what…those crimes are all higher. They attack with confidence. That is what you would get here. I guess you are willing to tolerate more rapes, thefts, robberies
Less murder and gang wars? Yes. Rather be robbed than killed. I can buy a security alarm. Can’t buy my life back. BTW, police would still have guns.
Sorry to burst your bubble about banning guns meaning no gun crime (criminals always find guns).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html
Again, from their own journalism.
Police are not paid to defend you. Courts have stipulated this and said police are not obligated to defend you. They are called to clean up and investigate.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but in 2009 the U.S. had 9,203 homicides commited with firearms compared to the U.K, who had only 39 in 2011. You’re drastically uninformed and definitely not smart enough to own a firearm.
http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-weapon-updated/
Libby reminds all men of their next ex-wife. Jeez, glad I don’t have to live with that all day.
Yup. Your worst nightmare. A smart woman that won’t take any shit from a man.
Libby:
HAHAHAHAHA.
HAHAHAHA.
Taking shit from a man? Taking shit from a man? Are you serious?
Women can have abortions, men can’t choose to leave the child to the woman to take care of, unless the woman ok’s it. She doesn’t have to get my ok to abandon her responsibility. No matter what we have to take care of our kids. You are all for abortion for yourself if you’re not ready emotionally or fiscally. But when it comes to a man? Forget him, he’s a dead beat for walking out on his kid right? Walking out on his responsibility?
In the new health bill there are three categories: Children, elderly, and women that get special provisions. Everyone else is treated the same. Women get a well visit cared to their needs. There is no such act that has a “man” well visit. Breast cancer kill rates are equal to prostate cancer kill rates. The new healthcare plan specifically gives preventive treatment, scans, and more care to breast cancer. Prostate cancer is not a part of the bill. 56% of medicare benefits go to women. They live about 6 years longer on average, link that to the medicare coverage and you’ll have a clue. You think you know about putting up with shit?
Child support: Overwhelmingly, the woman gets the kid, the male gets the child support role.
We get drafted. Do you? Men came up with that why? Because our lives mean less than protecting yours.
Women worked at home. You consider that an insult. Back in the day do you know why you worked at home? Because the man’s life was worth less, and remind me, how many women work in the mines?. Hard labor is dominated by 95% men’s work force, and it makes up 60% of America’s workforce. Men do it anyway, and we don’t complain about “pay inequality” like feminists like you do. (I’m not making an assumption, we’ve had this debate before if you don’t remember)
And you’re talking about a smart woman who won’t take shit from a man? More like one who’s willing to take anything she can get. Where it concerns you, you’ll take all you can get, but you won’t give. Your business, you keep saying I don’t know who it supported and you could have done it but that you wanted to do what you wanted to do. Well, a “man” would have gone with that business to get more money, and to support his society. Even if he didn’t want to do it.
Studies show that men work more over time, more holiday, don’t care as much about the “benefits” from a job. A man searches for a job differently than a woman. You search for “comfort” we search for “survival”.
Society overwhelmingly favors women (I’m not saying this makes them the worse gender, but denying this is stupidity), and you’re going to talk about how you’re our nightmare because you won’t take any shit from a man? You’re right in a way, you are our nightmare, because you won’t take shit from a man, but you are perfectly ok with taking everything else.
You know what I expect from women, and likely Wayne as well? To be treated as an equal. I expect for my life to matter just as much as hers, not for her to get breast cancer treatment and me to be left behind with prostate cancer. I want to live to be the same age as a woman. I want to have a say in whether or not I am ready to have a kid, not you force me into it. You talk the talk as if your life was hard, and as if us men have held you back. Hell no Libby. Hell no. Women like you hold us back.
OMG! If I hadn’t proved how sexist you are by now, you just did it for me. And beautifully, I might add. Thank you so much.
Your life is worth less than a woman’s? What a joke! You are pathetic in your attempts to try and paint the picture that men are victims of society.
Working at home? That job is 3 times harder than digging a ditch, buddy. I’d like to see you try it. There have been social studies done with men trying to fill the role of woman in the household and they crumble like little babies. We do that AND work a full time job.
This is one topic where you are OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE and just need to put your tail between your legs and scamper off like the wounded little puppy you will be if you continue this ridiculous nonsense.
Since men make, on average, 20% more than a woman you can pay for your own goddamn prostate exam. Cry me a river!
Try again, Bob. A try to be a little less hilarious with the next one, OK?
Not one comment in that post was sexist. It was showing you what men deal with, which you have not one clue on. All were facts. Facts which are true are not sexist.
You have said before it’s your body, you should have the right to choose. It’s my emotions and my finances. I should have the right to choose. My comment doesn’t make me sexist regarding children.
We go to war. You don’t. We put up with shit there, you do not. That comment was not sexist.
You get our kids and take our money in society more often than not. That’s not sexist, that’s shit we put up with.
You guys worked at home, because we worked the mines. Not because you were inferior. That is not sexist. That’s what happened. We put up with shit and died in those mines. We still dominate the hard labor industry, while you (you being you, a feminist, not women in genearal) fight for equal wages and better healthcare we aren’t getting those same things.
You get 56% of medicare costs, you live longer. We literally die younger. We put up with shit. This is not sexist, this is a fact. We put up with shit.
Your comment about not taking shit from a man, ignores the shit men have to go through by default in society.
You supposedly don’t take shit from a man, which implies that YOU are in fact the person who is AGAINST MEN and I replied stating you as a woman do NOT know what men go through, and your feminist implications are bullshit.
Name how one of my comments made me sexist, and name ONE that was not a fact. We aren’t having the bull crap emotions thrown out to disregard facts because you “feel” it is sexist, got it?
You are a feminist. We’ve had the pay inequality debate. You lost.
You are a joke. YOU put up with ____?? OMG, where do I start?
1. Women are sexually harrassed on a continual basis. When I was a teenager and worked in a pizza joint my boss chased me around the pizza oven trying to feel my boobs. We’re objectified sex objects for many men.
2. I do not recall a debate on pay inequality and if we had one I certainly didn’t lose. There are tons of statistics out there that prove it.
3. We are subject to glass ceilings in the workplace. If you doubt it, look at the upper management and boards of any insurance agency or company and see which gender is the majority despite the fact that overall make-up of the organization is female.
4. We are subjected to more domestic abuse than men. Because men are stronger and some view as chattel.
5. Men worked in the mines and women didn’t because physically a man is stronger than a woman. Plain and simple. It’s not because your life is devalued as you tried to portray.
6. Women are now going into combat. Men no longer have a lock on that one.
7. The feminist movement wasn’t created because we have historically been treated fairly and respectfully by men. If that were true we would have no need for a movement.
8. Women in other parts of the world are still treated as property by their husbands, who have every right to beat them and even kill them if they desire.
So take your hilarious “WE PUT UP WITH SH__T” nonsense and go somewhere else with it. Everyone puts up with shit. You don’t even know the half of it. They don’t say it’s a man’s world for nothing, pal. You will not win this argument. And yes, we argue. We don’t debate.