Texas Bar Owners Sue Governor Over Recent Shutdown Order By Mitchell Ferman, The Texas Tribune | June 30, 2020 Email This Subscribe to Newsletter Email to a friend Facebook Tweet LinkedIn Print Article Article 51 Comments June 30, 2020 at 1:29 pm Paul says: Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: 10 24Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.I hope these 30 bar owners win this lawsuit against King Abbott. I wish more bars and restaurants would join in the lawsuit. We have to stop this insanity. June 30, 2020 at 6:55 pm Captain Planet says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 31 9Since you think it’s insanity, Paul, why don’t you go to your local ICU and start licking doorknobs. Maybe shake hands with all the infected there. I know 2 people who died and my brother-in-law was down for about a month fighting this. Now, it’s impacting younger aged people. We are the only country with numbers escalating. All other countries who didn’t botch the response are returning to normal. What’s insane is how this was handled from the get-go. June 30, 2020 at 7:38 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: 6 19Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.What a liar you are. Case numbers are going up in several European countries. You are so full of Trump hate you can’t even see the truth anymore. Your comments are a joke. July 1, 2020 at 3:17 pm Jon says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 20 10Oh I’m sorry, they’re going up. So who’s got 120,000+ deaths besides us now? Huh? Keep trying to deflect. You’re so unwilling to realize that you’re wrong about ANYTHING, your levels of denial are actually bordering on mental illness. Sure, infections are going up elsewhere, but nowhere near the rate we’re at now. I have a friend who was in the process of moving to Spain, her apartment has been moved out of and now she’s stuck in limbo because they won’t accept her. The world is watching the right-wing fail this country, and no amount of your denial can cover that. See you in November! July 1, 2020 at 7:10 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: 3 15Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.Hey Dufus. Planet said “we are the only country with numbers escalating”. That is demonstrably FALSE. And your attempt to change the topic into total number of deaths means you aren’t smart enough to understand the word “escalating”, or you are a liar. Either way, a Dufus. July 1, 2020 at 7:14 pm Jon says: Hot debate. What do you think? 16 7I wasn’t arguing that, I was responding to your comment about him being so full of Trump hate that he “can’t see the truth anymore”. The opposite is actually true, you are so far up Trump’s sphincter that you can’t see anything else bud, and all of us know it. The facts and data are generally against you in every way. I don’t care that he was wrong about that part, you’re still wrong about everything else. July 8, 2020 at 12:29 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Like or Dislike: 5 9Hey Clown, list the death rate from every country, compared to the number of identified Covid 19 cases in that same country. I dare you. The U.S. is VERY low on that measure. Our death rate to case rate is one of the best in the world. July 8, 2020 at 1:56 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 6 8There are two ways of looking at this Craig, and you’re just not able to make the statement you did yet. Also, our death rate was inflated by a doofus who killed some 20,000 elderly (Cuomo.). And no Jon, no matter how much you say Trump killed people, he did not like Cuomo. His state had that many elderly die for a reason. There is nothing Trump could have done to stop the spread and he did not get vulnerable people sick, he did not change the course of the infection. Every nation has it now. Deaths are occurring relative to the percentage of the elderly that get sick, and Cuomo directly impacted that. But as for our death rate, we can and probably should go by a combination of the two methods. Per capita population, and per capita of suspected cases. It’s hard to say which country is doing best, you simply can’t make the math yet. Per capita population leaves out each nation’s unknown total infection rate. On that one, we are not the lowest. We are also not the highest, but then it is hard to tell, some nations with a low rate may be because the virus hasn’t spread yet in those nations. If we go by nations where we know the virus is hardcore spreading, yes, we are low. It is complicated. July 8, 2020 at 2:20 pm Jon says: Like or Dislike: 5 3LOL more petty namecalling because you know you’re wrong eh Craig? Our death rate doesn’t matter when we’re still WELL above the number of deaths for anywhere else. The infection curve is a GD 45 degree line, and you’re trying to argue that we’re low on the death rate? LOLOL you will deflect any way you can, the problem is, everyone sees the 133,000 deaths under Trump’s watch. Your days are over bud, 200,000 by November Trump 2020 LOL not even bothering with bob he’s just a troll July 8, 2020 at 5:11 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 4 4“Our death rate doesn’t matter when we’re still WELL above the number of deaths for anywhere else.” This is not accurate. ” The infection curve is a GD 45 degree line, and you’re trying to argue that we’re low on the death rate?” This is misleading. While the infection rate is up, the deaths from infection are also way down. Initially we had a 6% or higher rate of infected death rate, the last week’s curve has been accompanied by 1% of documented infections. This is good. This shows the virus is not as deadly and we also have the CDC claiming the cases were 10 times higher, so 23 million a bit over a week ago, in other words a .006 percent death rate. Trump did not spike death rates, and he is not responsible for the infection rates. July 8, 2020 at 6:47 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Like or Dislike: 4 6Fun Fact: La Jolla Institute of Immunology (highly respected) released a report indicating that many people may have a sort of immunity to Covid 19. You see, there are many types of coronavirus, and many cause the common cold. The belief is that immunity to one coronavirus may offer some people protection from THIS coronavirus. Meaning? Depending on how wide spread, many more people may have already been exposed to Covid 19 than we know. Meaning? Herd immunity may be close at hand. This could be the reason many countries are now seeing declining numbers. (That and the fact they don’t test as many people.) It could also be the reason our death rate keeps falling: people who were highly susceptible to infection from Covid 19 may have already gotten it.\ Meanwhile, on CNN . . . June 30, 2020 at 1:54 pm reality bites says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 27 5Covidiots will still be allowed to have their wakes at bars which can go multi-purpose between liquor stores and chapels. “Grab a cold one on your way out”. June 30, 2020 at 7:36 pm Captain Planet says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 15 4Closing time, boys. You don’t have to go to hell, you just can’t stay here. June 30, 2020 at 2:28 pm Interested says: Hot debate. What do you think? 18 26Like the virus knows the difference between a bar or Walmart or grocery store. Keep business open – we can’t live in fear. Its a bad world out there – and we already knew that. Nothing is going to stop mother nature. I wish they would stop trying. June 30, 2020 at 3:03 pm reality bites says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 24 4You’re right; Mother Nature don’t like being messed with. Goodness knows, there’s nothing more foolish looking than a middle-aged man in TX wearing a piece of paisley or checkered clothing covering the lower half of his face. Unless of course it’s The Duke or Sam Elliott or any other cowboy hero…then, a bandanna or scarf is MANLY…if wusses would have worn them without being told what to do, TX might not have found itself in such a mess. June 30, 2020 at 6:45 pm Captain Planet says: Hot debate. What do you think? 13 17You’re right, Mother Nature don’t like being messed with, which explains why she spreads so much havoc down in Texas. It’s one natural disaster after the next down there. Then, Texas comes with it’s hands spread open asking for a government handout. No, Mother Nature doesn’t like being messed with. But, we aren’t talking about Mother Nature here. QAnon and Breitbart told me this virus was made in a Wuhan lab, is spread by 5G towers, and we all know secretly supported by Trump and his New World Order, which is why he isn’t doing anything about it. He knew we weren’t really going from 15 cases to 0. He knew all along we’d have us 50+ 9/11s by the time this was over. And what’s he out doing? Trying to get up and down for a double bogey. I just want to know what he and his Chinese superiors have going on with these pigs now. I heard they are also harvested by the Murder Hornets lab and 5G towers. June 30, 2020 at 7:41 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: 12 22Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.Run AWAY, Planet! Hide in a basement somewhere!! Did you see your God Fauci get his ass handed to him this morning by Rand Paul? Fauci whimpered like a puppy that he never really said the NFL shouldn’t play (liar) and that kids shouldn’t go back to school (liar again). Keep citing the Experts, Planet. It makes you sound more and more out of touch with the news. July 2, 2020 at 1:25 pm rnr_risk says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 19 0Time to start Respecting Others. Let’s Leave off the inflammatory language. July 7, 2020 at 2:02 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Like or Dislike: 4 10Sounds great. Are you lecturing Planet bashing conservatives on a regular basis with inflammatory language? June 30, 2020 at 8:10 pm Belinda says: Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: 6 19Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.Paul, I also want the bar owners to win. The brats rioting had “nothing” to do with this. In fact the mayor of San Antonio was out with the Brats and bashed his city. Then tried to blame everybody but he and the County Judge. I wish I knew an attorney who would take a case and I would also sue. June 30, 2020 at 9:15 pm Captain Planet says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 23 7The brats rioting? Oh, yeah, the I Want My Baskin Robbins and A Haircut So I Am Going To Spit on Nurses and Carry My AR Around brats. That’s right. Actually, anyone including the peaceful protesters who were not practicing distancing and masks are all at fault for spread. And, anyone who is trying to rush back out there, you’ll want to practice the same measures. 90 people who were just congregated at a bar are all positive now. 20-30 year olds are having strokes, losing eyesight, and having permanent lung damage. It’s no joke and if you think it is, again, go volunteer at your local ICU. July 1, 2020 at 3:18 pm Jon says: Like or Dislike: 11 8LOL just a wild guess here another crazy racist lady from Texas? Shock. Thankfully people like you while causing the epidemic are hopefully old enough to suffer for it. July 1, 2020 at 10:26 am rob says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 18 6Ahhhhh, Texas. the Florida of the Southwest. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that “texas” is slang for “crazy” in Norwegian… July 1, 2020 at 3:23 pm Jon says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 17 4LOL Seriously. Man, if only someone had warned us that reopening too quickly and not having a national plan on coronavirus would result in a new surge in cases. Other than every GD scientist who warned us. July 7, 2020 at 2:29 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 6 13The surge is manageable, the death rate has plummeted by anyone paying attention, and the risk is low. The initial wave killed so many old people it was insane, in just Florida and New York, that was why the death numbers were high. Those two states alone had some 20 to 30k elderly deaths. Death numbers are inflated by about 25%, in which they cannot confirm the case, but counted it anyway, and the CDC confirms this. Remove those, and we have closer to 50,000 deaths, but more importantly, the youth are not dying from this much at all. The spike allows more people to be shielded I might add, as the younger get it. The most recent estimate I saw was some 20,000,000 people had it, and it spiked since then. 25,000,000 is more likely now. Do the math. The death rate is astoundingly low. Shutting down the economy had more bad affects than anything else. Generations will suffer from that blunder, Japan did not have huge deaths and they kept open, their unemployment rate is still sub 4. You guys are so stupid on the left. This is not a serious problem at all, and it’s time to get things back running. July 8, 2020 at 12:01 pm Jon says: Like or Dislike: 8 7Keep deflecting with your false nonsense, 120,000 dead americans say otherwise. You keep lying, no one is buying it. July 8, 2020 at 2:02 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 5 10A: It is not 120,000 dead from coronavirus. B: Cuomo directly affected vulnerable people getting it. He directly killed about 20,000. C: I am not lying. D: My brother and his family had this (New York liver) My sister and her family had this (Idaho) and my brother has horrible asthma. No one has complained. E: The death rate is suspected to be lower than 1%. This is easily provable when you look at this from the CDC Jon: https://fortune.com/2020/06/25/us-coronavirus-cases-how-many-total-20-million-asymptomatic-confirmed-tests-covid-19-case-count-cdc-estimate/ In other words, and that was almost 2 weeks ago, the death rate at the time was .006 percent. The vast majority of deaths have been elderly in point one. Which Cuomo caused, not Trump. And for two, the numbers for a fact have been 25% not confirmed, those can be removed, as they did not have confirmation of covid. That makes 95,250 that Trump *could* be responsible for. Except he let governors make their own decisions and Cuomo alone represents some 30,000, which are confirmed and mostly elderly deaths he exposed. This means Cuomo made a huge mistake that is directly linked to A THIRD of covid deaths. Not indirectly, directly. How did Trump DIRECTLY cause death? He did not cause the infection rate to increase. SHOW YOUR WORK. And stop calling me a liar. July 8, 2020 at 2:06 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 5 9Let me reiterate that covid death rate number: .006 percent. In the elderly, it is deadly though. Who affected the elderly? In WA we had the same problem for our initial deaths. Now with the youth getting it, nearly every day for DOCUMENTED cases has some 40,000 to 50,000 with less than 500 deaths most days, so 1 PERCENT OF DOCUMENTED CASES. Let’s assume tests made us catch twice as many covid infections compared to before, this would still mean we are missing 5 times more. Meaning the death rate is 2 10th’s of a percent for the youth so far. Which sounds about right from what I’ve seen. The youth getting it could stop the elderly from being exposed though, herd immunity and all, which is real and you don’t even know how it works. Instead, the left is trying to stop any spread, and are failing at it too. Painstakingly making it much longer to protect the elderly. This virus is NOT a serious threat. Also, the numbers I said do not take into account that many of the elderly may have died either way, due to age, without covid. The age dispersal of deaths was insane about a month ago, it was like 70 and over was some 20 percent, and 80 and over was some 20 percent. July 8, 2020 at 2:11 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 3 6Ah, here we go. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-us-compared-to-flu-by-age-2020-6 Though this chart has weaknesses. The death rate is based on known infections. So when we say that the infection rate is at least 10 times higher, these numbers are some ten times lower. July 8, 2020 at 2:19 pm rob says: Like or Dislike: 8 0bob– I’m honestly glad your family that has had the virus all ended up ok. You’re right, in many cases it’s not that bad, however in other cases it’s devastating. The problem is they don’t know why it’s affecting some people worse than others. A friend of mine had it and was laid up for 3 weeks, hospitalized for 3 days and thought he was going to die. His underlying health condition? He’s 55. I truly hope that you and your loved ones all stay safe and healthy. July 8, 2020 at 2:37 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 5 8From CDC’s count for coronavirus deaths: “The provisional data presented on this page include the weekly provisional count of deaths in the United States due to COVID-19, deaths from all causes and percent of expected deaths (i.e., number of deaths received over number of deaths expected based on data from previous years), pneumonia deaths (excluding pneumonia deaths involving influenza), pneumonia deaths involving COVID-19, influenza deaths, and deaths involving pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19; (a) by week ending date and (b) by specific jurisdictions.” In the expected deaths category it is clear that many of these deaths would have happened either way for one (104% expected death rate U.S. Wide, meaning a 4% increase in death rate, which is well within the margin of error), but for two, it says involving covid, not due to covid. Brain aneurism and you had covid? That’s a covid death. The media is just bluntly lying about covid. Like they are lying about systemic racism (9 deaths in 2019 is not systemic). I just watched a video of a father shot down with his 4 year old, an 8 year old shot at the Wendy’s in Minneapolis, and these men are making points. This is targeted killing because they are so riled up they believe that black folks are being killed. This is wrong. You’re a part of it. I’m tired of this misinformation campaign as you claim it is the other side. It’s you. July 8, 2020 at 2:38 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 3 7Rob, We don’t need to know what makes it more of an issue to know the death rate presently of .006% from the last time the CDC estimated it is not nearly as bad as the media makes it out to be. July 1, 2020 at 4:21 pm Jenifer Mercer-Klimowski says: Like or Dislike: 10 4Geez. All of you. Cut it out and just grow up! July 2, 2020 at 1:44 pm Lisa Crabtree says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 17 2All of this is personal responsibility. We are all responsible for our actions and our actions have consequences. The sad part is with this disease our actions affect other people. So what this really shows is how self-centered we have become in our country and how it is every one for himself. No matter how much we donate to a cause to ease our conscience if we cause harm to our neighbor, what have we gained? Forget about the federal and state governments and do what you know is right. July 6, 2020 at 10:59 am Augustine says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 27 0These message boards have descended into crass name calling, petty partisanship and are dominated by a complete and utter lack of basic decency. I thought it was bad before, but you all should be ashamed of yourselves. Have some decency. Jon, Captain Planet, Craig: are you not exhausted yet by the continual name calling? Are you all so immature that you cannot tolerate someone with a single divergent opinion? This has nothing to do with politics. This type of childish behavior is being displayed by both the ”conservatives” and “progressives” on this board. This is what people mean when they say “both parties are the same.” Shame. I have interacted with each you before in purposeful and meaning conversations but I have slowly watched your comments plunge into stereotypical partisan absurdity. I know that each of you are capable of being civil because I have witnessed it on this board. Do none of you realize that you have all turned into trolls? July 6, 2020 at 11:01 am Augustine says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 15 0Also, where do you guys work? I cannot believe how much time you guys spend on these boards insulting one another. It is seriously insane. Maybe for the sake of your own sanity you should take a break from these boards? July 6, 2020 at 1:25 pm John Dough says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 12 0No kidding. It’s hard to believe the “Fantastic Four” of trolls are employed in this industry and this site allows them to be the “face” of IJ. When do they work? Likely rarely, since you can find articles under which they begin leaving comments in the pre-dawn hours and don’t stop until after midnight. Multi-tasking? Doubt it. Stealing time, resources, and wages from an employer? Most likely. And least one of these people uses his real name and is easily found in a simple internet search. I can’t imagine anyone going to him for insurance needs. July 6, 2020 at 2:07 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 0 0Not asking you to name names, just hoping I’m not one … do you consider me one of the ‘fantastic four’ on this site? July 6, 2020 at 3:37 pm Jon says: Like or Dislike: 11 5I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. When I came to this site, every article had Craig, Polar and some combination of other angry republicans that would spew hateful, false garbage on every article. They would then turn toxic language and behavior onto anyone who dared disagree with their (WRONG) rhetoric. I came as a counter balance. I’m younger, smarter, better looking and I actually do my research. I’ve caught Craig and Polar in lies countless times, using actual facts and data to prove my points. If you have a problem with me but not them, then I’d say your hypocrisy is clear. If you have a problem with all of us, then we’re in agreement. But until IJ takes a stance on all trolling, I will continue to troll the trolls. July 6, 2020 at 11:10 am Augustine says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 11 0You know what? The continual trolling and name calling on these boards has made it to where there is no point in even posting. The comments section on any article worth talking about gets SHUT DOWN within hours due to the fact that several people on this platform are incapable of civil discourse. Please, for a second, realize that the CONSTANT political hackery and trolling has made any type of edifying discourse almost impossible. Sorry, had to get that out… But seriously, think about it. I am not trying to be patronizing or sanctimonious in my tone… But if no one points it out then the same absurdity will continue to go on… I know that you are not actual trolls and can be reasoned with… I mean seriously, do none of you guys have any friends that disagree with you? Jon, surely you have at least one conservative friend? Planet? Craig? July 6, 2020 at 11:34 am Lara says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 17 1Augustine – You’ve taken the words out of my mouth. I often read the comments section and wonder how these angry commentors have any time in their day to do their jobs. It’s so unpleasant and really demonstrates what’s wrong with our country at the moment. When people are absolutely convinced they are right (on the left OR right), there is no room for discourse, for understanding. When a person with the opposite point of view becomes the enemy, rather than a person with a differing point of view, then we can’t move forward as a society. Please spend a little more time listening, rather than shouting. We all might learn something. July 6, 2020 at 11:52 am Augustine says: Like or Dislike: 7 0Lara–I 100% agree with everything you have said. I have 100% been guilty of partisanship but it is ultimately a fruitless, exhausting and dehumanizing endeavor… July 8, 2020 at 1:29 pm Reason says: Like or Dislike: 13 5When it comes to calling out stupidity, racism, and the spreading of lies, mistruths, and dangerous misinformation (especially re: COVID), I applaud my outnumbered, progressive brethren out there fighting the good fight. I’m too damn busy for it myself, but I appreciate that somebody is. These pinheads deserve to be called out for their disgusting behavior and nasty rhetoric. And sometimes, the only way to do that is to call people what they are – selfish, racist, climate-denying liars. July 8, 2020 at 1:30 pm Reason says: Like or Dislike: 9 4*science-denying liars (including climate change) July 8, 2020 at 5:23 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 2 10No one denies science. You are misrepresenting it. July 8, 2020 at 3:14 pm Jon says: Like or Dislike: 6 4I appreciate this post. July 8, 2020 at 3:27 pm Reason says: Like or Dislike: 5 4I don’t know how you guys do it, man! July 8, 2020 at 5:23 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 1 6Nonsense. July 8, 2020 at 6:43 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 0 0I am not envious of anyone. I am shocked at how he looks at the other side. You guys really believe you are the side of science. You’re just wrong about that. July 8, 2020 at 2:04 pm steven says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 16 2Personally, I just wish Trump was as upset about the 131,000 dead and the rapidly filling up hospitals iin FL, TX, AZ, and other states as he is about people wanting to rename military bases from the treasonous Confederate generals they were named after, or tearing down the Confederacy monuments. I say that as a descendant of Confederate veterans. Can someone please explain that one to me? July 8, 2020 at 2:29 pm Reason says: Hot debate. What do you think? 14 9Simple: because his base is racist and idiotic. Also, showing any concern over COVID deaths would be akin to admitting he was wrong or taking some responsibility for mistakes, which is something Trumpy doesn’t do, nor do any of his cult followers. Comment have been closed for this article.