Oh wow, so if people break the law no big deal. I understand if people are struggling but if no fines due and no loss of license, the court of appeals just gave them a free for all…. run a red light — so what — have an accident – no big deal — the list goes on. I believe that there are other alternatives like a restricted license (to and from work and medical appointment), a judge having the ability to reduce a fine. This should not be an issue with no penalty whatsoever
You’re not reading into this entirely. Its for fines. DUI? You’ll still lose it. Racking up all those points? You’ll still lose it. Car accident? You didn’t lose your license from the beginning depending on the circumstances.You don’t lose your license over a fender bender. You will however get sued into the ground by the opposing insurance company, and be subject to wage garnishments.
Put your self into the shoes of a large group of people in this country. You live paycheck to paycheck, you get a 200 – 300 dollar ticket. You can’t pay that. Now your license is gone, you can’t get to work, can’t get to school, can’t get to the store to buy food. It was a counter productive and stupid system to begin with. Take away someones ability to reliably get to work in most cases, so they can’t make money, and they can’t pay their fines? Who thought this was a good idea?
Double edged sword. We may have to consider having a hybrid of this system. You can have a reduced fine of say $10, but you have to attend a 30 minute class on driving after your 3rd offense and reduction. If a person can not afford the money, the breaking of the law should serve some level of inconvenience. If they keep breaking the law, there is an education piece missing. Either they don’t really know the law, or they don’t care. But TN has a lot of rural settings where having transportation is critical to working.
How about not speeding, running stop signs, parking where you should not, and just being more responsible as a driver. Make them pay the fine in affordable monthly amounts, and restrict their licenses to allow driving to work and home.
Giving law breakers a free ride isn’t going to teach them anything.
i always like how people get righteous.. ‘how about not running stop signs, etc.. ‘ like people are just driving around trying to do that so they can meet as many local police officers they can lol. stuff happens. you miss an unusually placed no left turn sign in a series of 16 blocks where only one has them in a new area you have never driven in before. i’ll bet jack, you may have done 1 or 2 miles over the speed limit once or twice. even accidentally, that’s speeding. just depends how bored/douchey/hard up for cash the local cops are. and that’s not even including the times the towns put up gotchas to earn revenue. the little texas town that put a 25 mph sign in the middle of a 2 mile stretch of a 4 lane interstate and set up a check point there. that little town made $126k of their $142k operating budget off ticket revenue for a few years. you drive enough, you will eventually hit one of these gotchas… unless you are like jake who always has the spedometer at exactly the speed limit :) even if you just drive the 10 miles to work back and forth every day and never drive out of/ leave your town, you are still at risk. township drops one of the speed limit signs in a 45 mile stretch down 10 miles, are you going to catch it? do you still read every speed limit sign on every road every day you drive? c’mon man. personally, i think they should take the financial aspect out of all traffic stuff. causes nothing but potential for abuse and makes traffic issues into life-threatening social probems. most of the other posters on here have the right idea. can’t give freebees for flaunting the law. enough of that going on with immigration :) but still have to have some sort of penalties to get the bad drivers off the road/ keep safety. start enforcing 3 strikes/ out type policies. the points system is enough punishment, tweak it if you can. it allows for re-education and eventual suspension of licenses for habitual offenders. it also causes severe penalties for those who will not / cannot obey the rules, but allows those who make a one time mistake, to be more attentive and continue to live and function as they learn from their mistakes. the issue here is supposed to be safety, not state revenue. if safety is the issue, just make that system more strict. why don’t most states do that? because they make more money if they let people continue to drive and just pay bunch of fines for their minor offenses. if they made the points systems more strict, people would drive better and the state would make less money. does anybody think the proper resolution for inattentive, reckless, or renegade drivers should not be entirely related to regulation/removal of license priviledges? why is there a fine system anyway? think about the logic behind the minds of the people when they created the laws and decided fines were the appropriate penalty for *traffic* violations. if the state wants more $$, just require more to qualify to drive in the state (more training, etc) that process will result in safer roads, better drivers, etc. why dont they do that? its a one time charge. state/cities make more $$ on allowing continual violations and charging for them. it’s basically a speeding tax. if they need more cash, just send out more patrols, set up seed traps, etc. now police officers are being utilized as tax collectors rather than spending time patrolling the streets looking for robberies and rapes. how many rapists do you think drag their victims to the medians of the highways where the cops can catch them. which method is really promoting the most safety? making traffic violations a revenue source, or making $$ by training and just taking the licenses of those who cannot absorb or retain the training.
This ruling was based off your CONSTITUTIONAL right and arguments made against maritime laws that does not apply to you. You have to understand the difference in Legal and Lawful. Your right to travel in your personally owned vehicle is no way taxable, read the commerce code you will see that there is no law once so ever that requires for a private natural person to register and pay tax to drive, its all Commerce Drive for hire for example. your right to travel is as old as the Magna Carta which is evident also in the Constitution, a document that does not give you rights, rather list ones you already have, and limit the government over reach which people seem too willing to allow to happen.
This ruling is result of moving fines and court fees. DO you also know that Tennessee law states, No person in this state shall be fined excess of 50$ WITHOUT a conviction of a jury of your peers. Moving violations is nothing more than a code infraction, that does not apply to you as the natural person, traveling in your POV. Tennessee Law also defines all traffic courts as CORPORATION COURTS and not a court of record. When you respond to a traffic summons you are in Maritime Law, Court, Administrative and is NOT a court of record unless you are in a Court with a Jury as is your 4th Amendment Right to demand. Traffic Code infractions are not even a Criminal Violation however they make you think it is, nor a civil action. look it up you will see or just allow yourself s to be fooled and let them run over your rights
Oh wow, so if people break the law no big deal. I understand if people are struggling but if no fines due and no loss of license, the court of appeals just gave them a free for all…. run a red light — so what — have an accident – no big deal — the list goes on. I believe that there are other alternatives like a restricted license (to and from work and medical appointment), a judge having the ability to reduce a fine. This should not be an issue with no penalty whatsoever
You’re not reading into this entirely. Its for fines. DUI? You’ll still lose it. Racking up all those points? You’ll still lose it. Car accident? You didn’t lose your license from the beginning depending on the circumstances.You don’t lose your license over a fender bender. You will however get sued into the ground by the opposing insurance company, and be subject to wage garnishments.
Put your self into the shoes of a large group of people in this country. You live paycheck to paycheck, you get a 200 – 300 dollar ticket. You can’t pay that. Now your license is gone, you can’t get to work, can’t get to school, can’t get to the store to buy food. It was a counter productive and stupid system to begin with. Take away someones ability to reliably get to work in most cases, so they can’t make money, and they can’t pay their fines? Who thought this was a good idea?
Double edged sword. We may have to consider having a hybrid of this system. You can have a reduced fine of say $10, but you have to attend a 30 minute class on driving after your 3rd offense and reduction. If a person can not afford the money, the breaking of the law should serve some level of inconvenience. If they keep breaking the law, there is an education piece missing. Either they don’t really know the law, or they don’t care. But TN has a lot of rural settings where having transportation is critical to working.
How about not speeding, running stop signs, parking where you should not, and just being more responsible as a driver. Make them pay the fine in affordable monthly amounts, and restrict their licenses to allow driving to work and home.
Giving law breakers a free ride isn’t going to teach them anything.
i always like how people get righteous.. ‘how about not running stop signs, etc.. ‘ like people are just driving around trying to do that so they can meet as many local police officers they can lol. stuff happens. you miss an unusually placed no left turn sign in a series of 16 blocks where only one has them in a new area you have never driven in before. i’ll bet jack, you may have done 1 or 2 miles over the speed limit once or twice. even accidentally, that’s speeding. just depends how bored/douchey/hard up for cash the local cops are. and that’s not even including the times the towns put up gotchas to earn revenue. the little texas town that put a 25 mph sign in the middle of a 2 mile stretch of a 4 lane interstate and set up a check point there. that little town made $126k of their $142k operating budget off ticket revenue for a few years. you drive enough, you will eventually hit one of these gotchas… unless you are like jake who always has the spedometer at exactly the speed limit :) even if you just drive the 10 miles to work back and forth every day and never drive out of/ leave your town, you are still at risk. township drops one of the speed limit signs in a 45 mile stretch down 10 miles, are you going to catch it? do you still read every speed limit sign on every road every day you drive? c’mon man. personally, i think they should take the financial aspect out of all traffic stuff. causes nothing but potential for abuse and makes traffic issues into life-threatening social probems. most of the other posters on here have the right idea. can’t give freebees for flaunting the law. enough of that going on with immigration :) but still have to have some sort of penalties to get the bad drivers off the road/ keep safety. start enforcing 3 strikes/ out type policies. the points system is enough punishment, tweak it if you can. it allows for re-education and eventual suspension of licenses for habitual offenders. it also causes severe penalties for those who will not / cannot obey the rules, but allows those who make a one time mistake, to be more attentive and continue to live and function as they learn from their mistakes. the issue here is supposed to be safety, not state revenue. if safety is the issue, just make that system more strict. why don’t most states do that? because they make more money if they let people continue to drive and just pay bunch of fines for their minor offenses. if they made the points systems more strict, people would drive better and the state would make less money. does anybody think the proper resolution for inattentive, reckless, or renegade drivers should not be entirely related to regulation/removal of license priviledges? why is there a fine system anyway? think about the logic behind the minds of the people when they created the laws and decided fines were the appropriate penalty for *traffic* violations. if the state wants more $$, just require more to qualify to drive in the state (more training, etc) that process will result in safer roads, better drivers, etc. why dont they do that? its a one time charge. state/cities make more $$ on allowing continual violations and charging for them. it’s basically a speeding tax. if they need more cash, just send out more patrols, set up seed traps, etc. now police officers are being utilized as tax collectors rather than spending time patrolling the streets looking for robberies and rapes. how many rapists do you think drag their victims to the medians of the highways where the cops can catch them. which method is really promoting the most safety? making traffic violations a revenue source, or making $$ by training and just taking the licenses of those who cannot absorb or retain the training.
This ruling was based off your CONSTITUTIONAL right and arguments made against maritime laws that does not apply to you. You have to understand the difference in Legal and Lawful. Your right to travel in your personally owned vehicle is no way taxable, read the commerce code you will see that there is no law once so ever that requires for a private natural person to register and pay tax to drive, its all Commerce Drive for hire for example. your right to travel is as old as the Magna Carta which is evident also in the Constitution, a document that does not give you rights, rather list ones you already have, and limit the government over reach which people seem too willing to allow to happen.
This ruling is result of moving fines and court fees. DO you also know that Tennessee law states, No person in this state shall be fined excess of 50$ WITHOUT a conviction of a jury of your peers. Moving violations is nothing more than a code infraction, that does not apply to you as the natural person, traveling in your POV. Tennessee Law also defines all traffic courts as CORPORATION COURTS and not a court of record. When you respond to a traffic summons you are in Maritime Law, Court, Administrative and is NOT a court of record unless you are in a Court with a Jury as is your 4th Amendment Right to demand. Traffic Code infractions are not even a Criminal Violation however they make you think it is, nor a civil action. look it up you will see or just allow yourself s to be fooled and let them run over your rights