“Interact” does not mean “pick up” or “lift”. People are encouraged to interact at a baseball game. However, if they go on the field or touch the ball why it is in play, they will be escorted out of the stadium, thrown in jail or both.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he actually broke the thing and the university might have sought compensation from him. Or, he could just be trying to get his college tuition paid in full. The Obama free college education hasn’t kicked in yet and it only applies to community colleges.
A) He tried to move the object, not pick it up or lift it. Big difference.
B) Who puts a 270 pound object on display, tells people to interact with it, but only “secures” it on a tripod and doesn’t anchor it to the ground?!?!?
A) How do you move an object without picking it up or lifting it? Did he try to roll it out of the tripod?
B) Who is stupid enough to try to move a heavy meteor that is in a tripod?
C)Touching, feeling and smelling come to mind.
I am sure there were hundreds, if not thousands, of people that touched the meteor and did not have any problems.
I’m curious what the university actually “said” to encourage “interaction”.
A) I just moved a pot filled with water by pushing it across the counter with my hand. I never picked it up. You can totally move something without picking it up. Are we really debating that aspect?
B) Someone who read a sign that said please interact with this object and presumed “well, I’m sure it’s secured properly if they’re telling people it’s okay to interact with it.”
C) Touching & feeling – exactly. Say he touched the object and it toppled over because it wasn’t properly secured. That’s not his fault, correct?
The location was stupid for not securing it properly and the guy was stupid for not handling the item with care. All I’m trying to say is this is not 100% negligence on the kid. He could’ve lifted it up or pushed it or kicked it and no harm would have been done had it been secured properly.
A) Yes, we are debating it in relation to the object and what could have reasonably been expected based upon the action chosen. A reasonable person would not have tried to pick up or push (like your flower pot) a large heavy object in a tripod. They would have had enough comon sense to know it could fall. Again, if it was not secured with enough reasonable care, why didn’t it fall sooner for the hundreds of other people that touched it?
B) By your analysis, I guess it should have been okay to climb on, too? Maybe he should have licked it or tried to have sex with it? There are many other ways to “interact” with it, but again, the reasonable person would do what is prudent.
C) If he simply touched it and it fell on him, I would be the first to say it wasn’t properly secured. But, I don’t get the impression that is exactly what happened.
I’ll agree that 100% of the negligence might not be on the college student (not a kid). Who was more negligent remains the question?
September 17, 2015 at 6:06 pm
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For example:
If this were a conservative voter, who had a concealed weapon, and was riding the meteor like a horse saying “Yee haw!” would you or would you not consider that the fault of the person riding the meteor?
It takes the same level of stupid to try to lift a 270lb meteor.
bob – I would not blame the conservative voter for their actions if it turns out the item was not secured properly. I really don’t understand all the issues people have with what I am trying to say about this matter.
Fact: the location encouraged users to “interact” with the item
Fact: the term “interact” was not defined (normally you’d see a “please do not touch the object” sign if they didn’t want someone to touch the item)
Fact: the meteor was not secured properly, causing a peril that injured someone who was interacting with the exhibit.
Fact: had the location properly secured the item, there would have been no injury to someone who was interacting with the object
I agree the individual should have had the where-with-all to think “hmm. this is a really heavy object. I should be careful when I’m near it and messing around with it” yet I feel both the individual and the location should bear some responsibility for the incident.
It was a stupid action, a different sign would have had no affect.
The kid made a grave mistake, and in no way should the university pay the COLLEGE EDUCATED student anything.
When you’re dealing with someone who is going to college they do know better.
September 18, 2015 at 3:10 pm
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Rosenblatt –
To help you understand the issues we have with this, is simple. We are sick and tired of people not taking responsibility for their own actions.
Our tort system has set a precedent that every single danger must be spelled out for the stupid people of society. Common sense is no longer expected. Stupidity is expected. If a person or business does not point out all the stupid hazards, they are left with a lawsuit.
Lawyers and people like yourself try to bring in the contributory or comparative aspect of the situation. Sometimes it applies and sometimes it does not.
You can say it was not secured properly because it fell after it was interacted with. I can say it was secured properly because it did not fall after hundreds of people interacted with it.
September 18, 2015 at 5:09 pm
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Really bob? That’s your reply? Come on. I just told you I would have the same stance regardless of the person’s political affiliation yet you tell me I would not. You previously denied ever telling someone what they mean when they say something, which is what you just did.
Guess what? NOBODY HERE HAS ANY IDEA if Grant Black is registered as a Repub, Dem., Ind. or the Green Party.
YOU assumed he is a Democrat. I have not assumed anything about who that person has voted for or which party he likes best. I don’t know and I don’t care. It doesn’t matter to me, just like I told you.
You might as well have a conversation with yourself if you want to deny the sincerity of my responses.
September 22, 2015 at 1:05 pm
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SHUT THE HELL UP.
I am holding you accountable for what you’re doing right now.
I have previously said that when someone says something, they generally mean it. When someone told me that my argument was about religion when it wasn’t, and I told them do not make my argument for me, it was relevant because at no point was it religion. That is what you are harkening back to.
ALSO: FALSE EQUIVALENCY. You are not intelligent enough to apply my logic, so don’t try.
I have seen your logics, I know you well enough to know that this is the abstract for you.
So if it is abstract, what I said above is true and you’re simply a little kid who is mouthing off.
I’m really done with you fake moderates here.
September 22, 2015 at 2:06 pm
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Okay bob – forget about the “don’t tell me what I really mean” part of the reply for a second. Let’s get back to the point you were trying to make – that I’d feel differently if the guy was a conservative.
I say again….
NOBODY HERE HAS ANY IDEA if Grant Black is registered as a Repub, Dem., Ind. or the Green Party.
YOU assumed he is a Democrat.
I have not assumed anything about who that person has voted for or which party he likes best.
I don’t know and I don’t care. It doesn’t matter to me, just like I told you.
You might as well have a conversation with yourself if you want to deny the sincerity of my responses.
September 23, 2015 at 8:22 am
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bob,
GO AWAY!!!!
You are just not smart enough to hang with the “fake moderates”
Every time someone points out your hypocrisy, you insult them and throw out “false equivalency”. Your debating style is immature and childish. Please go back to your 3rd grade class and sit in the corner with the dunce cap on.
When you grow up and are ready for a civil debate, please let us know.
September 15, 2015 at 5:31 pm
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You are losing this argument Rosenblatt. Touch, but don’t try to move it. They should have put it in a glass case since low information people don’t have any sense.
Exactly – they should have secured the item better. That’s the whole point here. It’s not the fault of the student for touching the object when they told people to interact with it yet didn’t secure it properly. You made my point for me, Agent; therefore, I win.
If you stick your hand in a running blender, is it your fault or the mfgrs fault? Do you really need to be told that might be dangerous?
If so, then you might be one of those “low information people” Agent is explaining that exists.
September 16, 2015 at 2:15 pm
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No, Rosenblatt, you do not win. This was not a child where you have to guard them from the “attractive nuisance”. This was a college student that should have known not to try to move it in a manner that would make it fall.
This is another example that our tort system needs fixing. Defendents are always measured against what the prudent (a.k.a. perfect) person “should have” done. I think the same standard should apply to the people who get injured for doing something stupid (a.k.a. low information people). We need to stop being a nanny state and society.
Well, I totally agree that our tort system needs fixing and that, at a minimum, the “reasonable and prudent” standard should be applied to everyone.
September 17, 2015 at 9:58 am
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integrity, you thoroughly dispatched both Rosenblatt and Mark on this issue. It is interesting what their take is on this incredibly stupid incident.
By the way, what did you think of the debate last night? The Clinton News Network predictably tried to stir up trouble and make Republicans look bad. They should enjoy themselves more when they do the Democratic debate when they get to do softball questions to Hilliary & Bernie. I thought Fiorina and Rubio did very well and Trump will not lose ground. Walker is just about through. I had hopes for him before, but now, he is just not resonating. We will see what the polls say.
September 17, 2015 at 10:05 am
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While Integrity and I have disagreed on a few points on this matter, I do not think “thoroughly dispatched” means what you think it means, Agent.
September 17, 2015 at 10:19 am
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Rosenblatt, I counted 5 posts of integrity and yes, he did thoroughly dispatch you in about every way even though you refuse to acknowledge it.
September 17, 2015 at 10:34 am
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who can not admit what, agent?
1) is progressive’s flo a real person?
2) have there been more than zero named storms in the atlantic this hurricane season?
3) if a university does not have a written policy banning the use of drones, is it illegal for someone to fly a drone on that campus?
September 17, 2015 at 2:15 pm
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Agent,
I missed the debate because of another obligation and did not DVR it. From what I’ve heard, Carly and Rubio did well. Trump was attacked from all sides and he held his own. Carson did not stand out but that might be because of the majority of the questions about what Trump has said or done.
It sounds like CNN was trying to employ an “attack Trump” strategy and it doesn’t sound like it worked.
September 17, 2015 at 5:39 pm
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This is shocking Rosenblatt.
Your issue is your perception of people. It’s ok, liberals look down on the ability of people to think quite a bit. I get that you’re used to doing it.
However, having the common sense not to lift a 270lb meteor, is the responsibility of the student. He did know better.
How should they have designated the sign?
“Touch but do not try to lift, kick, jerk, or otherwise disturb the meteor. If you slide the tripod it will fall. If you lift the tripod it will fall. If you try to deadlift the tripod, it will fall.”. Etc, etc, etc?
When a sign says go ahead and touch the meteor, it is not free reign to do stupid crap. And let’s face it, this university kid had to have acted juvenile. You mess around, you get hurt.
Here you are defending a college student here who does have the know how to know better for taking a sign too far. This is sheer insanity Rosenblatt.
I’ll post this here since I didn’t see you make multiple comments to me in different locations about the same topic.
Put quite simply, bob:
I agree the individual should have had the where-with-all to think “hmm. this is a really heavy object. I should be careful when I’m near it and messing around with it” yet I feel both the individual and the location should bear some responsibility for the incident.
Let me ask you – do you think the location should have had a fail-safe to their tripod stand knowing they encouraged people to interact with the object?
You know, some thought along the lines of “if we’re going to tell people it’s okay to interact with this item, let’s make 100% sure it’s properly secured so it can’t topple over and possibly hurt someone”
September 16, 2015 at 5:39 pm
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Maybe we should put Rosenblatt in a tripod & interact with him. Let the comments begin…..
If I knew people were going to be interacting with the Rosenexhibit, I would definitely make sure I was properly secured before opening it to the public!
i asked you three simple questions and your reply was just some insults. care to act like an adult or do you prefer to keep trying the old “hey, what’s that? look over there right now! i’m serious! you’re going to miss something amazing!” distraction technique and just insult me instead?
integrity, the debate was far too long (3 hours) and yes, CNN did their utmost with loaded questions designed to bring Trump down, but I have to hand it to him, he is pretty good on his feet, needed no teleprompter to tell him how to answer. He is politically incorrect and will insult when he has been attacked. I think they said he got almost twice the airtime as the others because every question seemed to be quoting him or another candidate about what he said or they said and then he would have to respond. Kaschik is nothing but talking points no matter what is asked and that is why people are tired of political doublespeak. Rubio is very strong on Foreign Affairs and it showed. Fiorina is a very strong lady and she has to be rising now because she is very smart and answered questions directly and forcefully without any babble or sidestepping.
Confused, was it you or your nasty mouth buddy UW that was arguing about the merits of Marijuana use, particularly in dysfunctional Colorado.
There is a new report out published by The Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area. This is their third report released Monday. How about the following stat?
1. 32% jump in marijuana related traffic fatalities, big increases in emergency room visits and hospitalizations, and greater pot usage by youths age 12 to 17.
2. The report also showed 40% more school expulsions, most of them marijuana related since 2008, greater exposure of young children to the drug, a 2,000 percent increase in the number of Colorado mail parcels intercepted destined for other states, and 32 Marijuana extraction lab explosions in 2014.
3. Some people say look at the tax revenue generated. $63.4 million. That breaks down to $22 million to law enforcement, healthcare and other agencies, $29.9 million to schools and $6.6 million to local government. I would argue that the costs of legalization of pot is far greater than the revenue generated.
that was not me who said that, so your post is not relevant to our discussion. care to answer any one of my questions? how about this simple one — have there been more than zero named storms in the atlantic this hurricane season?
The point is to get Agent to admit that he was wrong and/or misspoke. He will never take personal responsibility for himself, but is more than happy to hold others accountable.
Your motive here is purely discrediting Agent. If you’re going to do something like that, be honest about what you’re doing.
Whether or not he admits he is wrong doesn’t discredit his future arguments.
This page is getting awfully absurd again.
September 18, 2015 at 8:28 am
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bob,
Agent discredits himself regularly. I am just here to hold him accountable and point it out.
You said, “Whether or not he admits he is wrong doesn’t discredit his future arguments.”. You are correct, but it would be nice if he would be a man and admit when he is wrong. Do you disagree?
September 18, 2015 at 2:17 pm
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An irrelevant point again, and then you said he discredits himself enough. The point was not blame, you being childish took it as such. It is what it is and it is what you’re doing.
If your motives are to discredit, be honest about it.
Regarding whether it would be nice if he took the action:
No need whatsoever for him to do so. I am man enough to either debate his future comments and move on, or not worry about it and move on.
You’re clearly not.
September 18, 2015 at 2:54 pm
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bob,
Once again, you have totally missed the point.
I clearly stated my motive.
Agent is acting childish by trying to detract from the fact that he was either wrong or misspoke.
You bring a fair amount of absurdity yourself, child.
September 17, 2015 at 3:57 pm
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Ron, we know how smart you are. You picked Obama twice after researching all the candidates running. By the way, which of the Republican cast are you leaning to this time? My leanings are Fiorina, Rubio and Trump. The others can gracefully withdraw as far as I am concerned.
My bet is that Ron’s answer will be this republican turn out is a laughing stock and grab one person he thinks is the epitome of the republican extreme, and call of them extreme for it (like he did with Palin).
So most likely he will comment regarding Trump being a comedy show, and then say he’s supporting none.
How close am I Ron?
We all know you were never a conservative.
September 18, 2015 at 8:35 am
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Agent,
At this time, I like, in this order; Dr.Carson, Gov Kasich, and Gov Christie. Unless someone else throws their hat into the Democratic ring, I will be voting Republican, regardless of the nominee. I do not like any of the current Democratic candidates, at all.
September 18, 2015 at 8:38 am
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bob,
Wrong again. You may be smart, but not terribly bright. In addition, your comprehension skills are substandard.
I never said I was a Conservative, nor Liberal or Moderate. I started as a Democrat, switched to Republican and am now an Independent.
September 18, 2015 at 11:14 am
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Bob, Ron’s political beliefs are pretty amazing. Think about this for a second. He started out as a Democrat which he still is because he voted for Obama twice. He claims he switched to Republican after voting for a few of them in state and local elections, but couldn’t stomach voting for a Republican businessman for President over a Community Organizer Socialist so now he calls himself an Independent fence sitter. I think the telling thing about him is what his father in law thinks of him. He had Ron pegged right from the start.
September 18, 2015 at 11:28 am
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Ron, here is where you are wrong on the candidates you like. 1. Kasich is part of the problem, not the solution. All he knows how to do is rattle off talking points which he does boringly at every opportunity. He is also the Governor of a blue leaning state and he couldn’t deliver Ohio to the Republicans last time despite his apparent popularity. 2. Christie is governor of a decidedly blue state and a RINO and I will never forgive him for giving Obama a big hug. How did that work out for Charley Cris in Florida? 3. Dr. Carson is fine, but probably makes too much sense to appeal to the lower information voters out there. One thing I would agree on. All 11 on the big stage the other night would be a serious upgrade to what we have had for the past 7 years. This has been one long nightmare.
September 18, 2015 at 11:35 am
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agent, do you ever think before you post? ron voted for a democrat president in 2008 & 2012. after 2012, ron has voted republican and said he will vote for a republican president in 2016.
you say ron is a democrat based on 2008 & 2012 votes, yet somehow the votes ron made after 2012 for republicans and him saying he’ll vote for a republican president next election is totally ignored. what kind of logic is going on here?
September 18, 2015 at 11:52 am
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Agent,
The only reason you think my political beliefs are pretty amazing is that, in your mind, one should pick a political belief/affiliation and stick with it until death, regardless of facts. How is that thinking for yourself?
If want me to continue to post without insults, you must also comply.
Who do you think you are to question my, or any other American’s vote or opinion? The fact that you have narrowed down the field to just 3 this early in the process is very short-sighted. Let’s give them more time to discuss policy positions and the issues in greater detail.
I am more interested in have a Re[publican become President than finding the candidate who appeals most to the far right Conservatives.
September 18, 2015 at 12:47 pm
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Bob, Ron said unless someone else throws their hat in the ring on the Democratic side, he will vote for a Republican. That must mean he hopes Biden will jump in. Wouldn’t that be great? A serial gaff meister pervert who likes all of Obama’s policies and famously said about Obamacare, this is a big f——- deal and caught on the mic. That is Joe being Joe, right?
September 18, 2015 at 1:05 pm
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Agent,
Biden is not someone for whom I would vote.
Try again. Hint: There is no one who has been mentioned as a possible candidate.
September 22, 2015 at 1:17 pm
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Ron isn’t old enough to have voted another republican Agent.
I just thought about it the other day, and:
There is no way Ron is older than I am. There is no way he was old enough to vote for Bob Dole in the 1996 election, and there is also no way he would have voted for Dole if I am somehow wrong. If he were 18, he would be 37, this is simply the absolute stretch for age for someone with his argument style, much older men don’t argue like that. Out of the two Rosenblatt is probably older than Ron, but not by much. I would give Rosenblatt this 37 age, but with Ron if we take this a step further if he were 18 in 1992 he would be 41, also a year that there is no way he voted republican and a complete impossibility for his age. I have only seen one person heated enough by 41 to still argue like a young kid, was Catholic, and was somewhat like Ron back then, and that was my father.
There is no way he voted for Bush W. And let’s face it, anyone who voted in these time frames, the president they voted for was the most important reflection of their political beliefs.
He never switched.
September 17, 2015 at 4:07 pm
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agent said rosenblatt refused to acknowledge that someone put him in his place, and that is a hypocritical statement coming from him since agent has NEVER acknowledged he has made any incorrect statements of fact.
agent said there has not even been one named storm this hurricane season. obviously that’s false, yet when I confronted him with facts to explain his error, he refuses to acknowledge his lie and reverted to insulting me instead.
if you are going to say someone isn’t acknowledging their errors, you must be willing to acknowledge your own. that is the point as ron explained more succinctly than I just did.
There have been 0 named storms to make landfall in the US this year. If you dispute this, name the storm, where it hit and how much damage it caused. Inquiring minds want to know.
Agent says: Hey Dave, did you see the article in today’s Town Hall that we just went through the peak Hurricane season without “one” named storm, thanks to Global Warming.
you said nothing about landfall when you posted in the other article. you were given many chances in that article to explain your comment further or advise if we misunderstood what you said, and you said nothing.
Where is the storm that wreaked devastation on the East Coast or the Gulf this year? I don’t care about the so called storms in the middle of the Atlantic that don’t pan out or even get close to the US.
September 17, 2015 at 4:58 pm
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so, should I stop responding to what you write and reply to what I think you really meant to say next time? basically don’t take your posts at face value?
or maybe you can try using the right words in your post to accurately convey what you are talking about next time.
stop arguing like my wife by saying things you don’t mean and then get on my case because I did not read your mind and respond to what you were thinking but never said.
September 17, 2015 at 5:15 pm
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Confused, no one is asking you to troll my posts. Leave that to your other leftist buddies.
September 18, 2015 at 9:15 am
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pointing out what you said and how you are wrong is not trolling. here’s a great example of trolling:
agent – who dropped a meteorite on your head? You are the typical cockroach conservative who crawls out of the woodwork on many of these blogs.
that is a deliberate, inflammatory and insulting post meant to detract from what someone actually posted.
September 17, 2015 at 4:01 pm
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integrity, isn’t that what liberal Socialists do? Obama has been using distraction techniques on the American people for 7 years now. Hilliary is in full practice of the techniques currently. They figure if they lie enough, people will believe them. Unfortunately, they paint themselves into a corner.
Yes, distract and divert. A gameplan mastered by the left.
Agent: wasn’t the article in Town Hall that Confused is trying to hang you about no named storms hitting land? If so, I see no need for you to reiterate “specifically” that no named storms hit land. It was in the article that you were referencing.
It’s amazing that they want to hang us on every single word spoken or not spoken, when the leaders they worship flat out lie about what they say. But that’s okay because “it’s not what they meant to say”.
i have never once defended obama or any other democrat for that matter. obama has lied many many many times. how is Gitmo doing? he closed that, right? yes, that was sarcastic.
all i want is agent to realize if he posts something, it will be taken verbatim. if he wanted to say ‘there were no named storms that made landfall’ then THAT is what he should write instead of ‘there were no named storms this season’
one comment is true, one is blatantly false, and they are two completely different statements.
we’re all adults here, right? let’s see if we can use our big boy words and post what we are actually trying to say
September 18, 2015 at 4:23 pm
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Confused,
I cannot remember your position on Obamacare, immigration, Benghazi, fast and furious or any of the other areas that Obama has royally screwed up. (seriously, I can’t remember).
How do you feel about these topics?
September 18, 2015 at 10:01 am
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Integrity, it is correct on the article. These word parsers pick one word and then hammer away. They don’t bother to go to the article at all. Anything that doesn’t fit their mantra is automatic attack time.
Here is an “Inconvenient Truth”. Al Gore, supposedly bolstered by his fake scientists predicted the North Pole would be completely melted by 2014, the seas would rise and flood all our coastal cities. For this, he was awarded a Nobel which he deserved as much as Obama did.
these word parsers expect people to use the correct words to properly express what they are trying to say and do not make assumptions about what someone meant but never actually wrote
September 18, 2015 at 10:44 am
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Agent,
I do not totally agree with Al Gore, but the warning was to inspire changes to avoid the catastrophes. Many of the changes were implemented, which is why we have not seen the results.
September 18, 2015 at 11:32 am
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Ron, really??????????? Please elaborate what changes that were implemented to keep the Arctic & Antarctic ice caps from melting? Has Gore reduced his carbon footprint to help the situation? His footprint is about like some small towns.
September 18, 2015 at 11:59 am
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Agent,
Even you pointed some of them out. Increasing wind, solar, geo-thermal, bio-fuels, hydro, etc and reducing coal, oil and gas. In addition, increasing recycling, environmentally friendly construction, improved city planning for pedestrians and cyclists, etc.
Open your eyes. there are some very smart people making positive changes for God’s Earth.
September 18, 2015 at 12:51 pm
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Ron, again, really????? You are sounding more like a Global Warming freak with every post. Why didn’t you throw in Algae and Cow dung as a way to generate energy? By the way, Solyndra and many others went belly up on that solar power fiasco. I wonder how Solar Panels will fare when you have 4 feet of snow on your roof next winter.
September 18, 2015 at 1:35 pm
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Agent,
Because algae and cow dung are not legitimate alternative sources,in my opinion.
Simple yes/no question: Have ALL alternative energy companies that received government loans failed?
You are right integrity. Obamacare is the best example I can think of in parsing words. You know, the famous statement about the Exchanges. Then, when challenged, they said the plain language did not matter, everyone knew what the intent was.
Another one was when Obama got his shellacking in the mid terms of 2010. He came out and said that “they just didn’t communicate their ideas right” and that is why they lost. I am afraid we understood exactly what they meant and that is why they lost. Lost again in 14 and they said it was because their voters stayed home. We lost in 12 because our voters stayed home. Now, the political process is so tiring, most voters have had it up to their eyeballs with politicians. That is why Trump is doing so well and Fiorina is making big strides. We have had it with lying, thieving politicians in both parties.
I did a little digging, but couldn’t find much on this case. However, according to this article, it looks like he might have actually been working there when it happened. If so, couldn’t he have been asked to do something that made him think he should/could move it? (ie. being told to clean the floor, and trying to move the tripod to clean underneath it)
I’m not saying that this is the case, but bashing the kid based on the miniscule amount of information presented in the IJ article is a bit harsh.
If he was working there, it would be a work comp case and not a personal injury case. It is unlikely that he would give up his right to sue if it were a WC case.
The article doesn’t say in what capacity he was working there. I got the impression that it was more of a volunteer rather than an employee, but that’s just a guess.
The article is not real clear, but it did say “Community Service work”. That is generally done when someone commits a crime and gets so many hours of “Community Service” that they have to do. I don’t think that fits the definition of Volunteer work. Volunteer work is a bit of a gray area, but if they are working at the direction of an employer, they could be considered for WC coverage in some places.
Low information students should not be trying to move 270 lb meteorites. What a dufus he is.
“waiver?”
Please note “the exhibit encouraged visitors to interact with the meteorite”
“Interact” does not mean “pick up” or “lift”. People are encouraged to interact at a baseball game. However, if they go on the field or touch the ball why it is in play, they will be escorted out of the stadium, thrown in jail or both.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he actually broke the thing and the university might have sought compensation from him. Or, he could just be trying to get his college tuition paid in full. The Obama free college education hasn’t kicked in yet and it only applies to community colleges.
A) He tried to move the object, not pick it up or lift it. Big difference.
B) Who puts a 270 pound object on display, tells people to interact with it, but only “secures” it on a tripod and doesn’t anchor it to the ground?!?!?
C) How can you “interact” with an object and NOT try to move it? By looking at it? Breathing on it? Smelling it?
If I saw a sign that encouraged interaction with a meteorite, I would definitely use my hands!!
A) How do you move an object without picking it up or lifting it? Did he try to roll it out of the tripod?
B) Who is stupid enough to try to move a heavy meteor that is in a tripod?
C)Touching, feeling and smelling come to mind.
I am sure there were hundreds, if not thousands, of people that touched the meteor and did not have any problems.
I’m curious what the university actually “said” to encourage “interaction”.
A) I just moved a pot filled with water by pushing it across the counter with my hand. I never picked it up. You can totally move something without picking it up. Are we really debating that aspect?
B) Someone who read a sign that said please interact with this object and presumed “well, I’m sure it’s secured properly if they’re telling people it’s okay to interact with it.”
C) Touching & feeling – exactly. Say he touched the object and it toppled over because it wasn’t properly secured. That’s not his fault, correct?
The location was stupid for not securing it properly and the guy was stupid for not handling the item with care. All I’m trying to say is this is not 100% negligence on the kid. He could’ve lifted it up or pushed it or kicked it and no harm would have been done had it been secured properly.
A) Yes, we are debating it in relation to the object and what could have reasonably been expected based upon the action chosen. A reasonable person would not have tried to pick up or push (like your flower pot) a large heavy object in a tripod. They would have had enough comon sense to know it could fall. Again, if it was not secured with enough reasonable care, why didn’t it fall sooner for the hundreds of other people that touched it?
B) By your analysis, I guess it should have been okay to climb on, too? Maybe he should have licked it or tried to have sex with it? There are many other ways to “interact” with it, but again, the reasonable person would do what is prudent.
C) If he simply touched it and it fell on him, I would be the first to say it wasn’t properly secured. But, I don’t get the impression that is exactly what happened.
I’ll agree that 100% of the negligence might not be on the college student (not a kid). Who was more negligent remains the question?
For example:
If this were a conservative voter, who had a concealed weapon, and was riding the meteor like a horse saying “Yee haw!” would you or would you not consider that the fault of the person riding the meteor?
It takes the same level of stupid to try to lift a 270lb meteor.
bob – I would not blame the conservative voter for their actions if it turns out the item was not secured properly. I really don’t understand all the issues people have with what I am trying to say about this matter.
Fact: the location encouraged users to “interact” with the item
Fact: the term “interact” was not defined (normally you’d see a “please do not touch the object” sign if they didn’t want someone to touch the item)
Fact: the meteor was not secured properly, causing a peril that injured someone who was interacting with the exhibit.
Fact: had the location properly secured the item, there would have been no injury to someone who was interacting with the object
I agree the individual should have had the where-with-all to think “hmm. this is a really heavy object. I should be careful when I’m near it and messing around with it” yet I feel both the individual and the location should bear some responsibility for the incident.
No, rosenblatt, you would not share the opinion.
It was a stupid action, a different sign would have had no affect.
The kid made a grave mistake, and in no way should the university pay the COLLEGE EDUCATED student anything.
When you’re dealing with someone who is going to college they do know better.
Rosenblatt –
To help you understand the issues we have with this, is simple. We are sick and tired of people not taking responsibility for their own actions.
Our tort system has set a precedent that every single danger must be spelled out for the stupid people of society. Common sense is no longer expected. Stupidity is expected. If a person or business does not point out all the stupid hazards, they are left with a lawsuit.
Lawyers and people like yourself try to bring in the contributory or comparative aspect of the situation. Sometimes it applies and sometimes it does not.
You can say it was not secured properly because it fell after it was interacted with. I can say it was secured properly because it did not fall after hundreds of people interacted with it.
Really bob? That’s your reply? Come on. I just told you I would have the same stance regardless of the person’s political affiliation yet you tell me I would not. You previously denied ever telling someone what they mean when they say something, which is what you just did.
Guess what? NOBODY HERE HAS ANY IDEA if Grant Black is registered as a Repub, Dem., Ind. or the Green Party.
YOU assumed he is a Democrat. I have not assumed anything about who that person has voted for or which party he likes best. I don’t know and I don’t care. It doesn’t matter to me, just like I told you.
You might as well have a conversation with yourself if you want to deny the sincerity of my responses.
SHUT THE HELL UP.
I am holding you accountable for what you’re doing right now.
I have previously said that when someone says something, they generally mean it. When someone told me that my argument was about religion when it wasn’t, and I told them do not make my argument for me, it was relevant because at no point was it religion. That is what you are harkening back to.
ALSO: FALSE EQUIVALENCY. You are not intelligent enough to apply my logic, so don’t try.
I have seen your logics, I know you well enough to know that this is the abstract for you.
So if it is abstract, what I said above is true and you’re simply a little kid who is mouthing off.
I’m really done with you fake moderates here.
Okay bob – forget about the “don’t tell me what I really mean” part of the reply for a second. Let’s get back to the point you were trying to make – that I’d feel differently if the guy was a conservative.
I say again….
NOBODY HERE HAS ANY IDEA if Grant Black is registered as a Repub, Dem., Ind. or the Green Party.
YOU assumed he is a Democrat.
I have not assumed anything about who that person has voted for or which party he likes best.
I don’t know and I don’t care. It doesn’t matter to me, just like I told you.
You might as well have a conversation with yourself if you want to deny the sincerity of my responses.
bob,
GO AWAY!!!!
You are just not smart enough to hang with the “fake moderates”
Every time someone points out your hypocrisy, you insult them and throw out “false equivalency”. Your debating style is immature and childish. Please go back to your 3rd grade class and sit in the corner with the dunce cap on.
When you grow up and are ready for a civil debate, please let us know.
You are losing this argument Rosenblatt. Touch, but don’t try to move it. They should have put it in a glass case since low information people don’t have any sense.
Exactly – they should have secured the item better. That’s the whole point here. It’s not the fault of the student for touching the object when they told people to interact with it yet didn’t secure it properly. You made my point for me, Agent; therefore, I win.
But agent has another agenda: to criticize “low information” students and call them dufuses. That is the real point.
Hey Mark,
If you stick your hand in a running blender, is it your fault or the mfgrs fault? Do you really need to be told that might be dangerous?
If so, then you might be one of those “low information people” Agent is explaining that exists.
No, Rosenblatt, you do not win. This was not a child where you have to guard them from the “attractive nuisance”. This was a college student that should have known not to try to move it in a manner that would make it fall.
This is another example that our tort system needs fixing. Defendents are always measured against what the prudent (a.k.a. perfect) person “should have” done. I think the same standard should apply to the people who get injured for doing something stupid (a.k.a. low information people). We need to stop being a nanny state and society.
Well, I totally agree that our tort system needs fixing and that, at a minimum, the “reasonable and prudent” standard should be applied to everyone.
integrity, you thoroughly dispatched both Rosenblatt and Mark on this issue. It is interesting what their take is on this incredibly stupid incident.
By the way, what did you think of the debate last night? The Clinton News Network predictably tried to stir up trouble and make Republicans look bad. They should enjoy themselves more when they do the Democratic debate when they get to do softball questions to Hilliary & Bernie. I thought Fiorina and Rubio did very well and Trump will not lose ground. Walker is just about through. I had hopes for him before, but now, he is just not resonating. We will see what the polls say.
While Integrity and I have disagreed on a few points on this matter, I do not think “thoroughly dispatched” means what you think it means, Agent.
Rosenblatt, I counted 5 posts of integrity and yes, he did thoroughly dispatch you in about every way even though you refuse to acknowledge it.
who can not admit what, agent?
1) is progressive’s flo a real person?
2) have there been more than zero named storms in the atlantic this hurricane season?
3) if a university does not have a written policy banning the use of drones, is it illegal for someone to fly a drone on that campus?
Agent,
I missed the debate because of another obligation and did not DVR it. From what I’ve heard, Carly and Rubio did well. Trump was attacked from all sides and he held his own. Carson did not stand out but that might be because of the majority of the questions about what Trump has said or done.
It sounds like CNN was trying to employ an “attack Trump” strategy and it doesn’t sound like it worked.
This is shocking Rosenblatt.
Your issue is your perception of people. It’s ok, liberals look down on the ability of people to think quite a bit. I get that you’re used to doing it.
However, having the common sense not to lift a 270lb meteor, is the responsibility of the student. He did know better.
How should they have designated the sign?
“Touch but do not try to lift, kick, jerk, or otherwise disturb the meteor. If you slide the tripod it will fall. If you lift the tripod it will fall. If you try to deadlift the tripod, it will fall.”. Etc, etc, etc?
When a sign says go ahead and touch the meteor, it is not free reign to do stupid crap. And let’s face it, this university kid had to have acted juvenile. You mess around, you get hurt.
Here you are defending a college student here who does have the know how to know better for taking a sign too far. This is sheer insanity Rosenblatt.
I’ll post this here since I didn’t see you make multiple comments to me in different locations about the same topic.
Put quite simply, bob:
I agree the individual should have had the where-with-all to think “hmm. this is a really heavy object. I should be careful when I’m near it and messing around with it” yet I feel both the individual and the location should bear some responsibility for the incident.
Let me ask you – do you think the location should have had a fail-safe to their tripod stand knowing they encouraged people to interact with the object?
You know, some thought along the lines of “if we’re going to tell people it’s okay to interact with this item, let’s make 100% sure it’s properly secured so it can’t topple over and possibly hurt someone”
Maybe we should put Rosenblatt in a tripod & interact with him. Let the comments begin…..
If I knew people were going to be interacting with the Rosenexhibit, I would definitely make sure I was properly secured before opening it to the public!
So Confused, who dropped a meteorite on your head? You are the typical cockroach leftist who crawls out of the woodwork on many of these blogs.
i asked you three simple questions and your reply was just some insults. care to act like an adult or do you prefer to keep trying the old “hey, what’s that? look over there right now! i’m serious! you’re going to miss something amazing!” distraction technique and just insult me instead?
integrity, the debate was far too long (3 hours) and yes, CNN did their utmost with loaded questions designed to bring Trump down, but I have to hand it to him, he is pretty good on his feet, needed no teleprompter to tell him how to answer. He is politically incorrect and will insult when he has been attacked. I think they said he got almost twice the airtime as the others because every question seemed to be quoting him or another candidate about what he said or they said and then he would have to respond. Kaschik is nothing but talking points no matter what is asked and that is why people are tired of political doublespeak. Rubio is very strong on Foreign Affairs and it showed. Fiorina is a very strong lady and she has to be rising now because she is very smart and answered questions directly and forcefully without any babble or sidestepping.
Confused, was it you or your nasty mouth buddy UW that was arguing about the merits of Marijuana use, particularly in dysfunctional Colorado.
There is a new report out published by The Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area. This is their third report released Monday. How about the following stat?
1. 32% jump in marijuana related traffic fatalities, big increases in emergency room visits and hospitalizations, and greater pot usage by youths age 12 to 17.
2. The report also showed 40% more school expulsions, most of them marijuana related since 2008, greater exposure of young children to the drug, a 2,000 percent increase in the number of Colorado mail parcels intercepted destined for other states, and 32 Marijuana extraction lab explosions in 2014.
3. Some people say look at the tax revenue generated. $63.4 million. That breaks down to $22 million to law enforcement, healthcare and other agencies, $29.9 million to schools and $6.6 million to local government. I would argue that the costs of legalization of pot is far greater than the revenue generated.
that was not me who said that, so your post is not relevant to our discussion. care to answer any one of my questions? how about this simple one — have there been more than zero named storms in the atlantic this hurricane season?
Ooh, ooh, pick me!!! I know this answer….YES.
My turn for a question for you, Confused. What’s your point? Especially as it relates to this article.
Your simple three questions are the epitomy of a distraction technique.
integrity matters,
The point is to get Agent to admit that he was wrong and/or misspoke. He will never take personal responsibility for himself, but is more than happy to hold others accountable.
Pointless drivel.
Your motive here is purely discrediting Agent. If you’re going to do something like that, be honest about what you’re doing.
Whether or not he admits he is wrong doesn’t discredit his future arguments.
This page is getting awfully absurd again.
bob,
Agent discredits himself regularly. I am just here to hold him accountable and point it out.
You said, “Whether or not he admits he is wrong doesn’t discredit his future arguments.”. You are correct, but it would be nice if he would be a man and admit when he is wrong. Do you disagree?
An irrelevant point again, and then you said he discredits himself enough. The point was not blame, you being childish took it as such. It is what it is and it is what you’re doing.
If your motives are to discredit, be honest about it.
Regarding whether it would be nice if he took the action:
No need whatsoever for him to do so. I am man enough to either debate his future comments and move on, or not worry about it and move on.
You’re clearly not.
bob,
Once again, you have totally missed the point.
I clearly stated my motive.
Agent is acting childish by trying to detract from the fact that he was either wrong or misspoke.
You bring a fair amount of absurdity yourself, child.
Ron, we know how smart you are. You picked Obama twice after researching all the candidates running. By the way, which of the Republican cast are you leaning to this time? My leanings are Fiorina, Rubio and Trump. The others can gracefully withdraw as far as I am concerned.
My bet is that Ron’s answer will be this republican turn out is a laughing stock and grab one person he thinks is the epitome of the republican extreme, and call of them extreme for it (like he did with Palin).
So most likely he will comment regarding Trump being a comedy show, and then say he’s supporting none.
How close am I Ron?
We all know you were never a conservative.
Agent,
At this time, I like, in this order; Dr.Carson, Gov Kasich, and Gov Christie. Unless someone else throws their hat into the Democratic ring, I will be voting Republican, regardless of the nominee. I do not like any of the current Democratic candidates, at all.
bob,
Wrong again. You may be smart, but not terribly bright. In addition, your comprehension skills are substandard.
I never said I was a Conservative, nor Liberal or Moderate. I started as a Democrat, switched to Republican and am now an Independent.
Bob, Ron’s political beliefs are pretty amazing. Think about this for a second. He started out as a Democrat which he still is because he voted for Obama twice. He claims he switched to Republican after voting for a few of them in state and local elections, but couldn’t stomach voting for a Republican businessman for President over a Community Organizer Socialist so now he calls himself an Independent fence sitter. I think the telling thing about him is what his father in law thinks of him. He had Ron pegged right from the start.
Ron, here is where you are wrong on the candidates you like. 1. Kasich is part of the problem, not the solution. All he knows how to do is rattle off talking points which he does boringly at every opportunity. He is also the Governor of a blue leaning state and he couldn’t deliver Ohio to the Republicans last time despite his apparent popularity. 2. Christie is governor of a decidedly blue state and a RINO and I will never forgive him for giving Obama a big hug. How did that work out for Charley Cris in Florida? 3. Dr. Carson is fine, but probably makes too much sense to appeal to the lower information voters out there. One thing I would agree on. All 11 on the big stage the other night would be a serious upgrade to what we have had for the past 7 years. This has been one long nightmare.
agent, do you ever think before you post? ron voted for a democrat president in 2008 & 2012. after 2012, ron has voted republican and said he will vote for a republican president in 2016.
you say ron is a democrat based on 2008 & 2012 votes, yet somehow the votes ron made after 2012 for republicans and him saying he’ll vote for a republican president next election is totally ignored. what kind of logic is going on here?
Agent,
The only reason you think my political beliefs are pretty amazing is that, in your mind, one should pick a political belief/affiliation and stick with it until death, regardless of facts. How is that thinking for yourself?
If want me to continue to post without insults, you must also comply.
Who do you think you are to question my, or any other American’s vote or opinion? The fact that you have narrowed down the field to just 3 this early in the process is very short-sighted. Let’s give them more time to discuss policy positions and the issues in greater detail.
I am more interested in have a Re[publican become President than finding the candidate who appeals most to the far right Conservatives.
Bob, Ron said unless someone else throws their hat in the ring on the Democratic side, he will vote for a Republican. That must mean he hopes Biden will jump in. Wouldn’t that be great? A serial gaff meister pervert who likes all of Obama’s policies and famously said about Obamacare, this is a big f——- deal and caught on the mic. That is Joe being Joe, right?
Agent,
Biden is not someone for whom I would vote.
Try again. Hint: There is no one who has been mentioned as a possible candidate.
Ron isn’t old enough to have voted another republican Agent.
I just thought about it the other day, and:
There is no way Ron is older than I am. There is no way he was old enough to vote for Bob Dole in the 1996 election, and there is also no way he would have voted for Dole if I am somehow wrong. If he were 18, he would be 37, this is simply the absolute stretch for age for someone with his argument style, much older men don’t argue like that. Out of the two Rosenblatt is probably older than Ron, but not by much. I would give Rosenblatt this 37 age, but with Ron if we take this a step further if he were 18 in 1992 he would be 41, also a year that there is no way he voted republican and a complete impossibility for his age. I have only seen one person heated enough by 41 to still argue like a young kid, was Catholic, and was somewhat like Ron back then, and that was my father.
There is no way he voted for Bush W. And let’s face it, anyone who voted in these time frames, the president they voted for was the most important reflection of their political beliefs.
He never switched.
agent said rosenblatt refused to acknowledge that someone put him in his place, and that is a hypocritical statement coming from him since agent has NEVER acknowledged he has made any incorrect statements of fact.
agent said there has not even been one named storm this hurricane season. obviously that’s false, yet when I confronted him with facts to explain his error, he refuses to acknowledge his lie and reverted to insulting me instead.
if you are going to say someone isn’t acknowledging their errors, you must be willing to acknowledge your own. that is the point as ron explained more succinctly than I just did.
There have been 0 named storms to make landfall in the US this year. If you dispute this, name the storm, where it hit and how much damage it caused. Inquiring minds want to know.
stop moving the goalposts agent.
Agent says: Hey Dave, did you see the article in today’s Town Hall that we just went through the peak Hurricane season without “one” named storm, thanks to Global Warming.
you said nothing about landfall when you posted in the other article. you were given many chances in that article to explain your comment further or advise if we misunderstood what you said, and you said nothing.
Where is the storm that wreaked devastation on the East Coast or the Gulf this year? I don’t care about the so called storms in the middle of the Atlantic that don’t pan out or even get close to the US.
so, should I stop responding to what you write and reply to what I think you really meant to say next time? basically don’t take your posts at face value?
or maybe you can try using the right words in your post to accurately convey what you are talking about next time.
stop arguing like my wife by saying things you don’t mean and then get on my case because I did not read your mind and respond to what you were thinking but never said.
Confused, no one is asking you to troll my posts. Leave that to your other leftist buddies.
pointing out what you said and how you are wrong is not trolling. here’s a great example of trolling:
agent – who dropped a meteorite on your head? You are the typical cockroach conservative who crawls out of the woodwork on many of these blogs.
that is a deliberate, inflammatory and insulting post meant to detract from what someone actually posted.
integrity, isn’t that what liberal Socialists do? Obama has been using distraction techniques on the American people for 7 years now. Hilliary is in full practice of the techniques currently. They figure if they lie enough, people will believe them. Unfortunately, they paint themselves into a corner.
Yes, distract and divert. A gameplan mastered by the left.
Agent: wasn’t the article in Town Hall that Confused is trying to hang you about no named storms hitting land? If so, I see no need for you to reiterate “specifically” that no named storms hit land. It was in the article that you were referencing.
It’s amazing that they want to hang us on every single word spoken or not spoken, when the leaders they worship flat out lie about what they say. But that’s okay because “it’s not what they meant to say”.
i have never once defended obama or any other democrat for that matter. obama has lied many many many times. how is Gitmo doing? he closed that, right? yes, that was sarcastic.
all i want is agent to realize if he posts something, it will be taken verbatim. if he wanted to say ‘there were no named storms that made landfall’ then THAT is what he should write instead of ‘there were no named storms this season’
one comment is true, one is blatantly false, and they are two completely different statements.
we’re all adults here, right? let’s see if we can use our big boy words and post what we are actually trying to say
Confused,
I cannot remember your position on Obamacare, immigration, Benghazi, fast and furious or any of the other areas that Obama has royally screwed up. (seriously, I can’t remember).
How do you feel about these topics?
Integrity, it is correct on the article. These word parsers pick one word and then hammer away. They don’t bother to go to the article at all. Anything that doesn’t fit their mantra is automatic attack time.
Here is an “Inconvenient Truth”. Al Gore, supposedly bolstered by his fake scientists predicted the North Pole would be completely melted by 2014, the seas would rise and flood all our coastal cities. For this, he was awarded a Nobel which he deserved as much as Obama did.
these word parsers expect people to use the correct words to properly express what they are trying to say and do not make assumptions about what someone meant but never actually wrote
Agent,
I do not totally agree with Al Gore, but the warning was to inspire changes to avoid the catastrophes. Many of the changes were implemented, which is why we have not seen the results.
Ron, really??????????? Please elaborate what changes that were implemented to keep the Arctic & Antarctic ice caps from melting? Has Gore reduced his carbon footprint to help the situation? His footprint is about like some small towns.
Agent,
Even you pointed some of them out. Increasing wind, solar, geo-thermal, bio-fuels, hydro, etc and reducing coal, oil and gas. In addition, increasing recycling, environmentally friendly construction, improved city planning for pedestrians and cyclists, etc.
Open your eyes. there are some very smart people making positive changes for God’s Earth.
Ron, again, really????? You are sounding more like a Global Warming freak with every post. Why didn’t you throw in Algae and Cow dung as a way to generate energy? By the way, Solyndra and many others went belly up on that solar power fiasco. I wonder how Solar Panels will fare when you have 4 feet of snow on your roof next winter.
Agent,
Because algae and cow dung are not legitimate alternative sources,in my opinion.
Simple yes/no question: Have ALL alternative energy companies that received government loans failed?
Answer: NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/13/us-doe-loans-idUSKCN0IX0A120141113
You were WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
Just be a man and admit it.
You are right integrity. Obamacare is the best example I can think of in parsing words. You know, the famous statement about the Exchanges. Then, when challenged, they said the plain language did not matter, everyone knew what the intent was.
Another one was when Obama got his shellacking in the mid terms of 2010. He came out and said that “they just didn’t communicate their ideas right” and that is why they lost. I am afraid we understood exactly what they meant and that is why they lost. Lost again in 14 and they said it was because their voters stayed home. We lost in 12 because our voters stayed home. Now, the political process is so tiring, most voters have had it up to their eyeballs with politicians. That is why Trump is doing so well and Fiorina is making big strides. We have had it with lying, thieving politicians in both parties.
I did a little digging, but couldn’t find much on this case. However, according to this article, it looks like he might have actually been working there when it happened. If so, couldn’t he have been asked to do something that made him think he should/could move it? (ie. being told to clean the floor, and trying to move the tripod to clean underneath it)
I’m not saying that this is the case, but bashing the kid based on the miniscule amount of information presented in the IJ article is a bit harsh.
http://college.usatoday.com/2015/09/14/ua-student-sues-school-after-270-lb-meteorite-crushes-hand/
BS,
If he was working there, it would be a work comp case and not a personal injury case. It is unlikely that he would give up his right to sue if it were a WC case.
The article doesn’t say in what capacity he was working there. I got the impression that it was more of a volunteer rather than an employee, but that’s just a guess.
I don’t handle WC. Does WC cover volunteers?
The article is not real clear, but it did say “Community Service work”. That is generally done when someone commits a crime and gets so many hours of “Community Service” that they have to do. I don’t think that fits the definition of Volunteer work. Volunteer work is a bit of a gray area, but if they are working at the direction of an employer, they could be considered for WC coverage in some places.