If her allegations are true, she is entitled to every penny of the 1 million she is seeking. No one should be mistreated on the job because of their faith.
Being fired at the beginning of a low pay job does not merit you 1 million dollars of compensation. She would not deserve 1 million dollars even if true.
Bob, if someone is fired for incompetence or not following company rules, all she should be entitled to is unemployment for so many weeks, not $1 million.
If she was fired for reason I agree. I’m mostly pointing out the extremity of those who want there to be extreme penalties for supposed racism.
A million dollars?
Where does that figure come from exactly? The trauma of being fired is worth a million dollars?
Facing any form of oppression is?
We all face some sort of racism, even white folks, and hispanic folks, and asian folks. A whole lot of people are going to be having to find money to pay these people to live free for live because someone acted racist to them.
Nice to see you know the same about the legal system as you do everything else, or in other words, nothing. In the US system you are allowed to ask for more than you would have made, or lost, for various other damages as well as to send a message to the accused for their illegal acts.
What I said above, had some key words. She had not been there long enough to have been cheated her career. 5 months.
I mentioned that. And further to the point, it was a low paying job. Being fired once does not harm her to the tune of 1 million dollars.
Also, I’m very well aware of that concept. I’ve taken insurance courses regarding employee lawsuits.
You are making a lot of assumptions, bigoted assumptions, because you are assuming due to the fact that I criticize your precious left, that I am an evil righty tighty.
You have assumed wrong, and you’re why the democrats will lose long term.
I am well aware of what you put. What you put does not in any circumstance grant her a million dollars of income. It was a low pay grade job, over the course of 20 years she might come close to that 1,000,000 and it will not harm her to that degree. She’s going to find a job soon enough. She will be fine. I don’t support free rides because someone did something supposedly racist.
Also, what do you notice about my post as opposed to Agent’s?
Did you notice that I never said she wasn’t discriminated against? My first reaction when reading this is it could actually be a form of bigotry.
Did you catch that UW?
You’re an idiot. Even people who are moderates you berate and insult because they think a ONE MILLION dollar suit is not reasonable, especially when rape claims from businesses vary between 1-3 million. So some of these people raped get just as much as this woman for being fired.
Just ponder that for a moment UW. That’s insane.
And I’m now pro rape for saying people who aren’t harmed as much as people who are raped, shouldn’t get awards close to that of people who are raped.
I love your idiotic logic. Get the hell off this site, and go look inward at your issues.
Even moderates who want a public plan for the poor and a private plan, are extremists to you.
Even moderates who are against senators and governors who call HPV vaccines immoral, are extremists to you.
Even moderates who want Obama’s mandated 401k contribution plan to go through are extremists to you.
Why? Because they criticize your GOD! That is what the left is to you UW. Your GOD! I don’t have one here. No one dictates my beliefs and no one misleads me. I do my own research, and if you want to demean that, you are just an immoral, zealous, jerk.
You constantly demean people based on petty things, and I have now been called a murderer, a rapist, a pro rape person, a hater of women, a hater of gays, that I hate my wife, and that I want to torture innocent random people.
I have said nothing that implies I am pro rape. As I side comment, not only has one of my siblings been raped, my mother molested, her sister and brother molested,
I have also been sexually assaulted, and so have others I know.
You’re not a supporter of these people. Vote D and then just stick them in the corner while I take care of them eh UW?
Freedom of religion means just that. It does not mean that the rest of the world has to change to suit my beliefs. If a job has a set break time of 15 min then I know that before I start. It does not mean I am entitled to more time or different times. Some jobs can accommodate that some can’t.
Correct. I am sick and tired of people having to cater to Muslims and change our way of doing business to accommodate them. They don’t let Christians dictate job conditions and what an employee can or cannot do.
Agent, unless that business is Hobby Lobby or anywhere Kim Davis might work.
I am sick and tired of you ignoring this question. Were you banned from this site and that’s why you had to change your name to Deplorables? If not, why did you change your name?
Bob, Planet is like a pidgeon who plays chess. Kicks over the pieces, craps all over the board and then struts off like he won.
On this forum, he upvotes himself 120 times while downvoting me 160 times. A lot of hatred in that guy. By the way, he is a Lutheran. Think his pastor would be proud of him?
October 14, 2016 at 2:59 pm
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He used to be a Catholic, or so he has said in the past.
I can see why he left, and it is the same weakness he has now. I said before my theory is he outright rejected God’s will, and instead wanted to own God. I think God took away all his reason as a result. Those who seek truth God gives it, and those who manipulate truth god hides it.
It’s like the miracles Jesus did, he specifically said that he was not there for people who didn’t believe, and they would not see him intentionally. I’ll try to find the passage since I am paraphrasing, but there are many biblical quotes in which God makes it clear if you aren’t at least trying to seek truth he removes his graces. He allows your heart to harden. Etc.
October 14, 2016 at 3:04 pm
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I want to add something to my last post, because most people don’t realize this:
Seeking truth doesn’t mean you will not be flawed. God expects you to be flawed while seeking the truth.
If you label someone’s character who is seeking truth, then you stop your own path. I think people were meant to be this way, so each person needed every other person to progress forward. The only way at that point was to humble oneself, and then seek more truth, and submit to God and each other.
I believe in bantering, and submitting when wrong. I believe in looking past supposed moral aspects of people and politicians, and instead looking at their plans. If they have a good idea I believe in taking it, and using it. Ergo my Obama 401k mandate support.
Ergo my public system combined with private.
If one starts to believe they should not submit to God and each other, (Planet didn’t like submitting to the Catholic Church’s way of life, is my theory remember, which is his way of not wanting to submit to God) then they cannot progress.
They cannot get new things they need. Information becomes impossible, growth becomes impossible.
This is similar to UW. He has labeled all those who are righty tighties as I have coined the term just today.
People who as a whole are not credible. I label ideals and concepts as wrong. There is a difference.
We need to defeat and progress ideologies, not the supposed morality of other people.
October 14, 2016 at 3:22 pm
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God isn’t real…
October 14, 2016 at 5:56 pm
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Hey, Hey Bob,
What do you hope to establish with the elimination of God? Was the overall concept of what I said just so bad, that you needed to make sure you said there was no God?
October 17, 2016 at 9:06 am
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Agent,
You have used that joke 1,000 times on IJ. And for the VERY LAST TIME, I DO NOT USE THE VOTING BUTTONS OUT HERE! I couldn’t care any less about who likes and dislikes. I will copy and paste my hidden comments though. Just because Yogi set that precedent.
Bob, I think you are confusing Planet with Ron on the Catholic issue. Planet has bragged about going to a Lutheran church in West Des Moines. It must be one of those churches of “what is happening now”. They must not be preaching the Bible or Christian principles to live by either. He is much more of an Agnostic or outright Atheist given what he says and how he acts.
October 14, 2016 at 5:30 pm
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Ecclesiastes 10:2. Read up on it Hey Bob.
October 14, 2016 at 5:57 pm
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No, I remember that about Ron. But there was a scenario about divorce in which I’m pretty sure that Planet said the priests didn’t allow people who had divorces to get communion when he was in the Church, and he was surprised to hear if that had changed.
October 17, 2016 at 10:14 am
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Agent, Ecclesiastes 10:3 is more fitting for you.
Based on your history I think you’re more of a Leviticus 25:44-46 guy though.
Crack a book
October 20, 2016 at 4:22 pm
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Such ignorance. Agent needs to now read about how he’s about slavery and somehow doesn’t know it, by association of some sort. You are delusional.
Context is needed in all things, and regarding slavery that you just quoted to more or less discredit the bible (and somehow link that to Agent being pro slavery, but somehow not Planet who constantly quotes biblical high ground?) is abhorrent and basically scummy which is par for the course for your commentary.
Slavery as it pertains in the Bible was generally referring to neighboring nations dealing with Islamic war. Prisoners of war were kept as slaves, yes, and they were mandated to treat them well, despite these slaves just having tried to kill them UW.
Context of the times is needed. Also, these slaves generally were only kept a finite period of time, were also entitled to God’s mercy, and were not treated as sub human.
Slavery as it worked when this was written saved lives if anything. The general standard back then was to kill off the city that warred with you.
When God said you may have slaves in the old testament, he was saying if you do that it’s ok and all, at least you aren’t killing them, but treat them with dignity.
October 20, 2016 at 4:49 pm
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And more context:
When neighbors were selling slaves, the origin of most these slaves were through war.
So let’s say a Jewish nation and a neighboring nation were selling each other slaves.
The origin of these slaves were not just people they decided to make into slaves.
The typical ways you became a “slave” so to speak, were:
Engaging in crime.
Being a part of a warring nation and a prisoner of war.
Becoming in massive debt.
The way you paid your debt was to become a “slave” so to speak and most people were freed.
The way they handled a warring nation prisoner of war, was the same way, and is better than we currently do.
The way they handled crimes was the fair for the same reason.
They did not just up and make people slaves, note that proceeding that, it said you may not make slaves of your brothers. This means essentially, you cannot take someone without guilt, and say they owe you anything.
And regardless, as I said, the way they treated slaves was much like our programs by the state for rehabilitation. The vast majority did not beat their slaves, though I’m sure you will say the Bible allowed it, consider again who the slaves were at the time that were being beat:
Law breakers.
Criminals.
People who criminally did not pay debts, not just your average Joe who innocently got behind.
People who went to war with you.
Yeah…Pretty sure if that is who God said you could beat, it isn’t quite how you pen it.
The Bible is not contradictory. You just have to know how to digest it.
October 20, 2016 at 5:07 pm
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Allow me to use more examples of why this would be better than current governmental law.
Let’s say you engage in crime and get a 7 year prison sentence. The government does a horrible job of integration back into society. They don’t include you with the society you harmed. They don’t mend the relationship.
Now the Jews:
You commit crimes, and are found guilty. You are assigned to a family who has you live in their household. They have you do chores, and help with the labor, and treat you much like a child. This comes with responsibility, discipline, and love. Over the same 7 years, you will learn respect, and through this person, will likely be able to rehabilitate yourself into a role with their society. Yes, even the warring nations people, prisoners of war. You
I would like to know why this is worse than our current jailing system, and why it is immoral.
October 20, 2016 at 5:12 pm
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And moreover UW:
You act like no one reads but you, if they don’t comprehend as you do the one liner cliche phrases you use without context.
Has it clicked yet that you have run into a very well spoken conservative?
Have you considered why that might be? Those who question find answers.
I’m not a follower. I wasn’t always Catholic, but when I decided to become one, I did a lot of my due diligence.
Do you really question yourself and your ideals UW? It seems more to me that you justify them quite a lot, and defend them no matter what.
I haven’t seen you call me correct, and I have seen you call me always clueless, always a liar, always wrong.
October 13, 2016 at 1:11 pm
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This type of coddling is out of control.
I don’t get $10 of birth control help per month, I’m oppressed by the religious right!
Now we need to regulate business to go against their religious stands and restrict freedoms and apply force for my provisions or I am oppressed!
Of course we do not know everything. On one side, it could be she was incompetent and she is using means to get money. On the other hand, it could be she is fired for “insulting” her boss because of the asthma, or she is being discriminated against because of her religion or culture. We will never know, probably.
The carrier will probably just settle. She gets hired with a set of rules for employment, she accepts them rules a condition of employment then dont want to follow the rules she agreed to prior to accepting the job. Maybe the employer should sue her for the waste of time it took to train her as well as the ensuing head aches.
If her allegations are true, she is entitled to every penny of the 1 million she is seeking. No one should be mistreated on the job because of their faith.
Glenda,
What if they are false? What if she was just incompetent?
Being fired at the beginning of a low pay job does not merit you 1 million dollars of compensation. She would not deserve 1 million dollars even if true.
Bob, if someone is fired for incompetence or not following company rules, all she should be entitled to is unemployment for so many weeks, not $1 million.
If she was fired for reason I agree. I’m mostly pointing out the extremity of those who want there to be extreme penalties for supposed racism.
A million dollars?
Where does that figure come from exactly? The trauma of being fired is worth a million dollars?
Facing any form of oppression is?
We all face some sort of racism, even white folks, and hispanic folks, and asian folks. A whole lot of people are going to be having to find money to pay these people to live free for live because someone acted racist to them.
It’s insane over action.
Nice to see you know the same about the legal system as you do everything else, or in other words, nothing. In the US system you are allowed to ask for more than you would have made, or lost, for various other damages as well as to send a message to the accused for their illegal acts.
UW:
What I said above, had some key words. She had not been there long enough to have been cheated her career. 5 months.
I mentioned that. And further to the point, it was a low paying job. Being fired once does not harm her to the tune of 1 million dollars.
Also, I’m very well aware of that concept. I’ve taken insurance courses regarding employee lawsuits.
You are making a lot of assumptions, bigoted assumptions, because you are assuming due to the fact that I criticize your precious left, that I am an evil righty tighty.
You have assumed wrong, and you’re why the democrats will lose long term.
I am well aware of what you put. What you put does not in any circumstance grant her a million dollars of income. It was a low pay grade job, over the course of 20 years she might come close to that 1,000,000 and it will not harm her to that degree. She’s going to find a job soon enough. She will be fine. I don’t support free rides because someone did something supposedly racist.
Also, what do you notice about my post as opposed to Agent’s?
Did you notice that I never said she wasn’t discriminated against? My first reaction when reading this is it could actually be a form of bigotry.
Did you catch that UW?
You’re an idiot. Even people who are moderates you berate and insult because they think a ONE MILLION dollar suit is not reasonable, especially when rape claims from businesses vary between 1-3 million. So some of these people raped get just as much as this woman for being fired.
Just ponder that for a moment UW. That’s insane.
And I’m now pro rape for saying people who aren’t harmed as much as people who are raped, shouldn’t get awards close to that of people who are raped.
I love your idiotic logic. Get the hell off this site, and go look inward at your issues.
Even moderates who want a public plan for the poor and a private plan, are extremists to you.
Even moderates who are against senators and governors who call HPV vaccines immoral, are extremists to you.
Even moderates who want Obama’s mandated 401k contribution plan to go through are extremists to you.
Why? Because they criticize your GOD! That is what the left is to you UW. Your GOD! I don’t have one here. No one dictates my beliefs and no one misleads me. I do my own research, and if you want to demean that, you are just an immoral, zealous, jerk.
You constantly demean people based on petty things, and I have now been called a murderer, a rapist, a pro rape person, a hater of women, a hater of gays, that I hate my wife, and that I want to torture innocent random people.
YOU Y-O-U are the extremist.
It’s the “I’m offended so I’m owed a million dollars” compensation amirite?
That is rivaling the average rape compensation.
Just let that sink in for a moment.
Pro-rape Bob.
Shut the hell up.
I have said nothing that implies I am pro rape. As I side comment, not only has one of my siblings been raped, my mother molested, her sister and brother molested,
I have also been sexually assaulted, and so have others I know.
You’re not a supporter of these people. Vote D and then just stick them in the corner while I take care of them eh UW?
And run around saying who’s to blame?
You’re just a whiny kid. Just shut up.
what a joke…. Sad what we have become.
Freedom of religion means just that. It does not mean that the rest of the world has to change to suit my beliefs. If a job has a set break time of 15 min then I know that before I start. It does not mean I am entitled to more time or different times. Some jobs can accommodate that some can’t.
Correct. I am sick and tired of people having to cater to Muslims and change our way of doing business to accommodate them. They don’t let Christians dictate job conditions and what an employee can or cannot do.
Agent, unless that business is Hobby Lobby or anywhere Kim Davis might work.
I am sick and tired of you ignoring this question. Were you banned from this site and that’s why you had to change your name to Deplorables? If not, why did you change your name?
Planet,
Hobby Lobby does not dictate lives by not PROVIDING birth control. They can still buy it themselves.
Birth control is affordable by everyone who wants it, and it is made more expensive on healthcare plans.
A business should not be forced to provide your condoms anymore than a woman’s birth control.
Bob, Planet is like a pidgeon who plays chess. Kicks over the pieces, craps all over the board and then struts off like he won.
On this forum, he upvotes himself 120 times while downvoting me 160 times. A lot of hatred in that guy. By the way, he is a Lutheran. Think his pastor would be proud of him?
He used to be a Catholic, or so he has said in the past.
I can see why he left, and it is the same weakness he has now. I said before my theory is he outright rejected God’s will, and instead wanted to own God. I think God took away all his reason as a result. Those who seek truth God gives it, and those who manipulate truth god hides it.
It’s like the miracles Jesus did, he specifically said that he was not there for people who didn’t believe, and they would not see him intentionally. I’ll try to find the passage since I am paraphrasing, but there are many biblical quotes in which God makes it clear if you aren’t at least trying to seek truth he removes his graces. He allows your heart to harden. Etc.
I want to add something to my last post, because most people don’t realize this:
Seeking truth doesn’t mean you will not be flawed. God expects you to be flawed while seeking the truth.
If you label someone’s character who is seeking truth, then you stop your own path. I think people were meant to be this way, so each person needed every other person to progress forward. The only way at that point was to humble oneself, and then seek more truth, and submit to God and each other.
I believe in bantering, and submitting when wrong. I believe in looking past supposed moral aspects of people and politicians, and instead looking at their plans. If they have a good idea I believe in taking it, and using it. Ergo my Obama 401k mandate support.
Ergo my public system combined with private.
If one starts to believe they should not submit to God and each other, (Planet didn’t like submitting to the Catholic Church’s way of life, is my theory remember, which is his way of not wanting to submit to God) then they cannot progress.
They cannot get new things they need. Information becomes impossible, growth becomes impossible.
This is similar to UW. He has labeled all those who are righty tighties as I have coined the term just today.
People who as a whole are not credible. I label ideals and concepts as wrong. There is a difference.
We need to defeat and progress ideologies, not the supposed morality of other people.
God isn’t real…
Hey, Hey Bob,
What do you hope to establish with the elimination of God? Was the overall concept of what I said just so bad, that you needed to make sure you said there was no God?
Agent,
You have used that joke 1,000 times on IJ. And for the VERY LAST TIME, I DO NOT USE THE VOTING BUTTONS OUT HERE! I couldn’t care any less about who likes and dislikes. I will copy and paste my hidden comments though. Just because Yogi set that precedent.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/9-price-months-supply-birth-control-pills-target-3-miles-georgetown-law
Not only does the left lie about this, what I said above is still true. Pay for your own birth control.
Bob, I think you are confusing Planet with Ron on the Catholic issue. Planet has bragged about going to a Lutheran church in West Des Moines. It must be one of those churches of “what is happening now”. They must not be preaching the Bible or Christian principles to live by either. He is much more of an Agnostic or outright Atheist given what he says and how he acts.
Ecclesiastes 10:2. Read up on it Hey Bob.
No, I remember that about Ron. But there was a scenario about divorce in which I’m pretty sure that Planet said the priests didn’t allow people who had divorces to get communion when he was in the Church, and he was surprised to hear if that had changed.
Agent, Ecclesiastes 10:3 is more fitting for you.
Based on your history I think you’re more of a Leviticus 25:44-46 guy though.
Crack a book
Such ignorance. Agent needs to now read about how he’s about slavery and somehow doesn’t know it, by association of some sort. You are delusional.
Context is needed in all things, and regarding slavery that you just quoted to more or less discredit the bible (and somehow link that to Agent being pro slavery, but somehow not Planet who constantly quotes biblical high ground?) is abhorrent and basically scummy which is par for the course for your commentary.
Slavery as it pertains in the Bible was generally referring to neighboring nations dealing with Islamic war. Prisoners of war were kept as slaves, yes, and they were mandated to treat them well, despite these slaves just having tried to kill them UW.
Context of the times is needed. Also, these slaves generally were only kept a finite period of time, were also entitled to God’s mercy, and were not treated as sub human.
Slavery as it worked when this was written saved lives if anything. The general standard back then was to kill off the city that warred with you.
When God said you may have slaves in the old testament, he was saying if you do that it’s ok and all, at least you aren’t killing them, but treat them with dignity.
And more context:
When neighbors were selling slaves, the origin of most these slaves were through war.
So let’s say a Jewish nation and a neighboring nation were selling each other slaves.
The origin of these slaves were not just people they decided to make into slaves.
The typical ways you became a “slave” so to speak, were:
Engaging in crime.
Being a part of a warring nation and a prisoner of war.
Becoming in massive debt.
The way you paid your debt was to become a “slave” so to speak and most people were freed.
The way they handled a warring nation prisoner of war, was the same way, and is better than we currently do.
The way they handled crimes was the fair for the same reason.
They did not just up and make people slaves, note that proceeding that, it said you may not make slaves of your brothers. This means essentially, you cannot take someone without guilt, and say they owe you anything.
And regardless, as I said, the way they treated slaves was much like our programs by the state for rehabilitation. The vast majority did not beat their slaves, though I’m sure you will say the Bible allowed it, consider again who the slaves were at the time that were being beat:
Law breakers.
Criminals.
People who criminally did not pay debts, not just your average Joe who innocently got behind.
People who went to war with you.
Yeah…Pretty sure if that is who God said you could beat, it isn’t quite how you pen it.
The Bible is not contradictory. You just have to know how to digest it.
Allow me to use more examples of why this would be better than current governmental law.
Let’s say you engage in crime and get a 7 year prison sentence. The government does a horrible job of integration back into society. They don’t include you with the society you harmed. They don’t mend the relationship.
Now the Jews:
You commit crimes, and are found guilty. You are assigned to a family who has you live in their household. They have you do chores, and help with the labor, and treat you much like a child. This comes with responsibility, discipline, and love. Over the same 7 years, you will learn respect, and through this person, will likely be able to rehabilitate yourself into a role with their society. Yes, even the warring nations people, prisoners of war. You
I would like to know why this is worse than our current jailing system, and why it is immoral.
And moreover UW:
You act like no one reads but you, if they don’t comprehend as you do the one liner cliche phrases you use without context.
Has it clicked yet that you have run into a very well spoken conservative?
Have you considered why that might be? Those who question find answers.
I’m not a follower. I wasn’t always Catholic, but when I decided to become one, I did a lot of my due diligence.
Do you really question yourself and your ideals UW? It seems more to me that you justify them quite a lot, and defend them no matter what.
I haven’t seen you call me correct, and I have seen you call me always clueless, always a liar, always wrong.
This type of coddling is out of control.
I don’t get $10 of birth control help per month, I’m oppressed by the religious right!
Now we need to regulate business to go against their religious stands and restrict freedoms and apply force for my provisions or I am oppressed!
Wah wah wah. Shut the heck up Planet.
Of course we do not know everything. On one side, it could be she was incompetent and she is using means to get money. On the other hand, it could be she is fired for “insulting” her boss because of the asthma, or she is being discriminated against because of her religion or culture. We will never know, probably.
The carrier will probably just settle. She gets hired with a set of rules for employment, she accepts them rules a condition of employment then dont want to follow the rules she agreed to prior to accepting the job. Maybe the employer should sue her for the waste of time it took to train her as well as the ensuing head aches.
This is worse than the transgenders wanting a separate bathroom.
If you think that’s bad look at the campaign to force people to refer to trangender folks by gender neutral pro nouns.
Government legislation to force you to call them by a set of pro nouns that are not even agreed upon by the dictionary just yet.
It’s insane.
All according to plan….
Who is John Galt?