The silent protest isn’t about the flag or disrespecting the country. If any of the players wanted to show disrespect, they’d turn their back on the flag or worse, walk off the field. The narrative these players are buying into is false. One might call it a false flag? Sorry, had to throw the pun in there.
Kneel for prayer, stand for the National Anthem. The court of public opinion has spoken and the NFL is paying a steep price of declining viewership, poor sales of season tickets and stands that are missing a lot of fans. The estimate is so far at $200 million in lost revenue and will easily double by season end. Prima Donna players should not be protesting at the work place. Do it in a public park, not on the sidelines. I haven’t missed seeing one game since this started and Kaepernick should never grace the field in the NFL again. He is not that good anyway and Canada is open to him if he likes.
Great, as soon as you find out you are dead wrong, as usual, you want to cite some liberal pos media story as somehow vindicating your lame and untenable position.
Make no doubt about it, I knew exactly where you would fall on this issue and make no doubt about it, you’re so wrong that it stinks.
The players taking a knee are cowards and far too stupid to understand that that flag and ‘the system’ is what has allowed them to prosper millions of times beyond anything else most of them could ever hope to accomplish in their life times.
They have lost my interest. I used to give them a solid 10 hours on Sunday. I couldn’t even get through the first half of the Sunday Night game with out turning it off.
FFA, the good news is that your Bears have finally started winning. It seems they have discovered a defense that can score. Didn’t watch the game, but did see some highlights on NFL Channel.
College football is all that interests me anymore. Unlike the tedious NFL, you never know what will happen when two good college teams meet up.
October 23, 2017 at 2:25 pm
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Its all perception Cap. They invaded my happy place with politics. Now, they don’t get much of my time any more. I know I am not the only one. According to an article I read, networks don’t show the Anthem any more and they don’t talk about it during the games. They are getting hurt by a lack of viewers. ESPN reporting the biggest hit.
Last full game I watched, I turned the TV off for the Anthem and my Gr Son played it on the key board for me. That way, I didn’t have to watch the dis respect them cry baby athletes disrespect our flag and our Military and I got to show my respect.
Could Monday Night Football be a thing of the past?
I just find it curious, knowing the players didn’t even take the field until after the anthem up until 2008, that this is somehow about disrespecting the flag. Kaepernick himself visited with veterans to determine what action would be best if he wasn’t going to stand during the anthem. That veteran group suggested the knee.
Yes, viewership has fallen but it’s still strong. And, Lambeau was a packed house yesterday even without #12. The NBA’s numbers have fallen dramatically over the years and they aren’t canceling any games. Baseball went through the whole steroid thing and they bounced back. So, no, MNF will not be a thing of the past. I guess those who choose not to watch have freed up a good amount of time to be with family, exercise, make differences in the community, go golfing, or pick up some new hobbies!
Its all how you were brought up. Big No No for my generation. No Way. No How. When ever, where ever the National Anthem was on, you stopped what you were doing and stood at attention.
That’s how I am raising my kids. That’s how I want my kids to raise theirs.
Kapernick is a lowsey QB. He – in my opinion was a fool to opt out of his big contract. Walk away from guaranteed money like he did. Just a fool. Now, no one will give him a job in the NFL. Probably not Canada either. Maybe he is better then some of the third stringers out there. If Im the owner – Why take a chance on someone your paying league minn to carry a clip board.
I was raised similarly. I always stand with hand over heart. But, I also understand what the protest is about and respect it. Like the veterans Kaepernick talked to, we understand it isn’t about disrespecting the flag or our armed forces brothers and sisters. You’re certainly right, Colin isn’t nearly as good as he was several years ago. At one time, he was poised to take the league by storm, but that never came to fruition.
October 24, 2017 at 11:34 am
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I do understand what the protest is about. Take their civil action to the heart of the cause – the Police Stations. They are getting a significant amount of push back on it. They didn’t have to ruin a good thing to get their point across. After seeing the pics of the empty stadiums during game time, seems they are just shooting themselves in the foot. Attendance down. Networks in panic mode. All going to equal lower paychecks and less likely that the public would allow for public funding of stadium improvements.
Kap was a one season wonder boy just like RG3. Harbaugh changed the system to fit his strengths. The league adjusted and just like all the other run & shoot QBs at the pro level, washed out. I wonder if that move (benching Alex Smith and sending him out of town) was a factor in him being fired. Alex Smith doing a fine job while Kap cant even carry a clip board.
October 24, 2017 at 1:10 pm
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Miami has taken a pass on him. Pack took a pass. No word out of AZ yet if they are even looking for another QB. Bradford needs the boot out of Minn. Doubt they would look at him too.
Collusion or is he just that bad? Seems the GM’s around the league already know the answer to that question.
October 23, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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FFA, sorry your Cubs lost out to the Dodgers. However, it was great to see both teams stand at attention with their caps over their heart when the National Anthem was played. Baseball is far ahead of the NFL in respect to our soldiers and flag.
Between CTE, disrespect for the flag,the increasing perception that most of the players are semiliterate thugs who are way way overpaid & their own inability to follow the NFL bylaws, the NFL is on its way to a deep dark pit. I’d love to see most of the players crawling over each other for jobs on the docks.
Dream on MIghty. Heck, our president is a semi-literate thug who is overpaid and doesn’t follow our laws. A majority of the NFL players are more ethical than this toddler in The Oval.
Don’t overthink my comments. I meant just what I said, nothing more. Geez, Demorats can’t help playing the race card all the time. Take away the your nasty implications and you cannot dispute my comments.
Sally you just have to place the race card? That’s what the former president accomplished his 8 long years in office. He fanned the flames of race like no one has ever done in the country. What a shame.
Uh, this new President has motivated neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and straight up bigotry like no other. If David Duke is applauding my message, I think I’d change my tune.
Jack,
Not surprising this racist POS commentary comes from you. We’ve heard it from you before. It’s abhorrent and belongs at your next KKK rally. NOT HERE!
Nope, you put it out there, source required from you. And, based on the things you have said out here, AWFULLY difficult believing you are black. Easy for you to just throw that out here so people don’t find you as racist as you are. You might have black hair.
Ya see Cap, numbers are not “racist”. Truth is truth, some people just don’t want to honestly deal with the truth. It’s easier to play the you’re a racist, kkk, blah blah blah.
So tired of it, used so much it really doesn’t mean anything anymore.
October 23, 2017 at 4:56 pm
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And for the record, get on your knees for the National Anthem, it shows me who you are. It’s free speech.
JUST DON’T COME TO MY PLACE OF BUSINESS AND FORCE ME TO BAKE YOUR GAY WEDDING CAKE!!!!
Free speech is a 2 way street….unless you are from uranus.
October 24, 2017 at 1:37 pm
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Let me paint the difference for you. Refusing commerce due to someone’s sexual preference is discriminatory. That furthers discrimination. Kind of like African Americans at diners, in buses, or sipping water from a drinking fountain. Kneeling in protest is because of the discrimination African Americans face at the feet of some, not all, but some police officers who have abused their power. Got the difference now?
October 23, 2017 at 5:00 pm
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77.3% according to that study. OK – let’s ask the bigger question – why is that? What is it about socioeconomic conditions that may cause a spike like that? Answer that, solve for it, and then the number decreases. “Black millionaires being oppressed…” is a racist comment, btw. If you have turned off TVs on Sunday, what are you doing to help these single parent families out in your area? Are you trying to be a part of the solution?
How many kids does Adrian Peterson have with how many different moms? Is that a Millionaire feeling a sense of entitlement?
October 23, 2017 at 5:28 pm
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How many kids does our president have with different moms? Is that a millionaire feeling a sense of entitlement?
October 23, 2017 at 5:29 pm
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Not sure it’s “a sense of entitlement” but it’s a recipe for being bankrupt.
October 23, 2017 at 5:30 pm
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What a typical liberal reply!
“why is that”- White people don’t pay enough taxes? Tax the rich? College should be free ? Health insurance is a right ?
HOW ABOUT BLACK MEN HAVE SEX WITH BLACK WOMEN AND DON’T GET MARRIED BEFORE THEY GIVE BIRTH TO THEM. LEAVE THEM HOLDING THE BABY TO STRUGGLE THRU LIFE. IF IT WERE WHITE MEN DOING IT, YOU COULD BET EVERY LIBERAL WOULD BE YELLING FROM THE MOUNTAIN TOPS.
Again so tired of the it’s not our fault mentality. How about you add up the salaries of all the players taking a knee and then let me know of the % given to the oppressed black families in their neighborhoods before you come to mine.
Get off my lawn.
October 24, 2017 at 10:51 am
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Jack,
It doesn’t take a liberal to understand not everyone is born of the lucky sperm club. And, by design, the government has placed minorities in oppressed areas for decades. Socioeconomic conditions create inequality, which, by the way, impacts some white people, too. I’m guessing you might call them trailer trash. Though, these conditions proportionately affect minorities to a much greater extent.
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Didn’t say white trash, please read carefully. I am using a term that is specific to a socioeconomic place, in this case a trailer park, not necessarily a color. Though, white people in that place do suffer similar unequal conditions as do those in other places such as government housing and low income inner-city neighborhoods. Oh, and thanks for finally dropping the “N” word. Many of us out here have known you’ve been wanting to for a long time.
October 24, 2017 at 4:39 pm
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I respectfully request that Jack’s post using the “N word” be deleted immediately and he be banned from any future posting. There is absolutely no reason to ever use that word in an insurance industry forum (or any forum, for that matter), regardless of context.
October 25, 2017 at 2:06 pm
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Cap Planet- ” Socioeconomic conditions create inequality, which, by the way, impacts some white people, too. I’m guessing you might call them trailer trash.”
Most of us know what you were saying. good try though. We see you have your dog whistle as well.
You see using a word doesn’t make you a racist, a homophobe, etc. Your actions speak louder than words, but given the topic of the article and the lack of actions by the NFL players taking a knee to really help the oppressed black single moms in the US I can see where the you might be a little confused.
Why is it that Democrat held states and cities have the most socioeconomic conditions you refer to ? Is it because that where the democrats want them? Let’s take Ben Carson for example, how did he escape ?
October 25, 2017 at 2:46 pm
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Jax–
The N word has no place on this board, nor does anyone who uses it. If that makes me a bedwetter, fine. I respect everyone’s right to free speech whether I agree with it or not, however an insurance forum is no place for that language. Remember: freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from consequences. Case in point: the NFL Protests. I don’t agree with them one bit, however I support the players’ right to protest. THe consequence in this case is the NFL losing ratings and people’s interest (mine included).
I’m glad to see his post was deleted and hope he doesn’t use the word here again.
October 25, 2017 at 2:54 pm
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Downvoter: I agree that the word should be retired from the language, but I don’t think anyone should be banned forever for it’s use. I also find it interesting and problematic that the most prolific use of that word comes from within the black community. They can’t rap a song without its use (not to mention other vulgarities).
I upvoted your response to me as I thought it was exceptionally on point.
Best,
October 25, 2017 at 2:57 pm
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Jax–
I’ve upvoted yours as well. Thank you for the civil discussion.
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the downvoter- I’m curious as to why the trailer trash word wouldn’t be banned from use? We all know who and what class of person it refers to. Is it simply because they are white?
You see it’s people like you that claim ” i believe in free speech” when you really don’t. Again your actions speak louder than words.
October 25, 2017 at 4:33 pm
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Jack–
for you to equate the N word with “white trash” shows me you’re not black, as you claimed in a previous post. Neither of them are appropriate, however there is no comparison as to which is worse.
Rise above it.
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apologies, the word was “trailer trash”, not “white trash.” Neither of them are nice, but still don’t compare to the N word.
October 23, 2017 at 3:01 pm
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And by the way Cap Planet, I’m black.
I’d bet your captain of planet URANUS aren’t you. Come on, you can tell us.
Leftists like you have already lost this argument just like the NFL players who are still kneeling and sitting. The worst example so far is standing for God Save the Queen in England and kneeling for our NATIONAL ANTHEM.
Independent, Agent. Again, I voted for several Republicans in the last election. But, like our president, you keep peddling false narratives trying to generate truth from lies.
October 25, 2017 at 2:59 pm
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THIS veteran is offended deeply by Kaepernick and his minions, most of whom couldn’t tell you why they take a knee, they just know that it puts the spotlight on them. I am very happy to say that the vast majority of Americans feel the way that I do about this. It would truly be disheartening if that same vast majority didn’t care……but they do.
You can say they aren’t being disrespectful and I’ll say that you’re out of your mind and can’t spin this hard enough to make it anything that it isn’t – disrespectful. And if a few veterans say it’s ok, that doesn’t make it ok, that only makes it ok with them, not the vast (see: super) majority.
Black millionaires today, bankrupt tomorrow. Sadly, these players earn money early, squander it, and it doesn’t last. Not to mention most are not equipped for anything but football. I may have a narrow view here, but when I watch football I just want to see 60 minutes of play. It’s strictly entertainment and I’m not entertained if I have to view a political statement in the process. Doesn’t mean I don’t understand the cause or support it, I just want THAT information in another format or venue. No different that watching a 2 hr movie. Sometimes I want to watch a documentary, other times I want Dumb & Dumber.
Let me know when they protest the overwhelming number of blacks who are killed by blacks. (Total number of unarmed blacks killed by police in 2016: 17). And you can bet at least a few of those killed were on drugs and/or behaving in a way that would have caused anyone deep concern.
Let me know then they protest the collapse of the black family.
Let me know when they protest liberal opposition to school choice, which now has a mountain of evidence showing that poor black children do better in districts where they aren’t forced to go to the same crappy schools in their bad neighborhoods.
Let me know when Asians explain how racism has held them back, and how America has let them down.
Are there still issues of racism in American? Of course. People will always find a reason not to like someone else. Short people, ugly people, dumb people, religious people, and on and on.
But the real hurdles are elsewhere. (And before you call me a racist, consider my background.)
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Kneel for prayer, stand for the National Anthem. The court of public opinion has spoken and the NFL is paying a steep price of declining viewership, poor sales of season tickets and stands that are missing a lot of fans. The estimate is so far at $200 million in lost revenue and will easily double by season end. Prima Donna players should not be protesting at the work place. Do it in a public park, not on the sidelines. I haven’t missed seeing one game since this started and Kaepernick should never grace the field in the NFL again. He is not that good anyway and Canada is open to him if he likes.
http://www.9news.com/news/local/next/veteran-uses-us-flag-code-to-defend-nfl-players-kneeling-during-the-national-anthem/478496709
Great, as soon as you find out you are dead wrong, as usual, you want to cite some liberal pos media story as somehow vindicating your lame and untenable position.
Make no doubt about it, I knew exactly where you would fall on this issue and make no doubt about it, you’re so wrong that it stinks.
The players taking a knee are cowards and far too stupid to understand that that flag and ‘the system’ is what has allowed them to prosper millions of times beyond anything else most of them could ever hope to accomplish in their life times.
What have they accomplished?
Here are a few things:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-to-formally-endorse-criminal-justice-legislation-finance-activism-boot-camp/
They have lost my interest. I used to give them a solid 10 hours on Sunday. I couldn’t even get through the first half of the Sunday Night game with out turning it off.
FFA, the good news is that your Bears have finally started winning. It seems they have discovered a defense that can score. Didn’t watch the game, but did see some highlights on NFL Channel.
College football is all that interests me anymore. Unlike the tedious NFL, you never know what will happen when two good college teams meet up.
Its all perception Cap. They invaded my happy place with politics. Now, they don’t get much of my time any more. I know I am not the only one. According to an article I read, networks don’t show the Anthem any more and they don’t talk about it during the games. They are getting hurt by a lack of viewers. ESPN reporting the biggest hit.
Last full game I watched, I turned the TV off for the Anthem and my Gr Son played it on the key board for me. That way, I didn’t have to watch the dis respect them cry baby athletes disrespect our flag and our Military and I got to show my respect.
Could Monday Night Football be a thing of the past?
I just find it curious, knowing the players didn’t even take the field until after the anthem up until 2008, that this is somehow about disrespecting the flag. Kaepernick himself visited with veterans to determine what action would be best if he wasn’t going to stand during the anthem. That veteran group suggested the knee.
Yes, viewership has fallen but it’s still strong. And, Lambeau was a packed house yesterday even without #12. The NBA’s numbers have fallen dramatically over the years and they aren’t canceling any games. Baseball went through the whole steroid thing and they bounced back. So, no, MNF will not be a thing of the past. I guess those who choose not to watch have freed up a good amount of time to be with family, exercise, make differences in the community, go golfing, or pick up some new hobbies!
Its all how you were brought up. Big No No for my generation. No Way. No How. When ever, where ever the National Anthem was on, you stopped what you were doing and stood at attention.
That’s how I am raising my kids. That’s how I want my kids to raise theirs.
Kapernick is a lowsey QB. He – in my opinion was a fool to opt out of his big contract. Walk away from guaranteed money like he did. Just a fool. Now, no one will give him a job in the NFL. Probably not Canada either. Maybe he is better then some of the third stringers out there. If Im the owner – Why take a chance on someone your paying league minn to carry a clip board.
I was raised similarly. I always stand with hand over heart. But, I also understand what the protest is about and respect it. Like the veterans Kaepernick talked to, we understand it isn’t about disrespecting the flag or our armed forces brothers and sisters. You’re certainly right, Colin isn’t nearly as good as he was several years ago. At one time, he was poised to take the league by storm, but that never came to fruition.
I do understand what the protest is about. Take their civil action to the heart of the cause – the Police Stations. They are getting a significant amount of push back on it. They didn’t have to ruin a good thing to get their point across. After seeing the pics of the empty stadiums during game time, seems they are just shooting themselves in the foot. Attendance down. Networks in panic mode. All going to equal lower paychecks and less likely that the public would allow for public funding of stadium improvements.
Kap was a one season wonder boy just like RG3. Harbaugh changed the system to fit his strengths. The league adjusted and just like all the other run & shoot QBs at the pro level, washed out. I wonder if that move (benching Alex Smith and sending him out of town) was a factor in him being fired. Alex Smith doing a fine job while Kap cant even carry a clip board.
Miami has taken a pass on him. Pack took a pass. No word out of AZ yet if they are even looking for another QB. Bradford needs the boot out of Minn. Doubt they would look at him too.
Collusion or is he just that bad? Seems the GM’s around the league already know the answer to that question.
FFA, sorry your Cubs lost out to the Dodgers. However, it was great to see both teams stand at attention with their caps over their heart when the National Anthem was played. Baseball is far ahead of the NFL in respect to our soldiers and flag.
Between CTE, disrespect for the flag,the increasing perception that most of the players are semiliterate thugs who are way way overpaid & their own inability to follow the NFL bylaws, the NFL is on its way to a deep dark pit. I’d love to see most of the players crawling over each other for jobs on the docks.
Dream on MIghty. Heck, our president is a semi-literate thug who is overpaid and doesn’t follow our laws. A majority of the NFL players are more ethical than this toddler in The Oval.
Unfortunately, Captain, you and I both know what MightyQuinn actually meant with that statement…
Yes, the dog whistle was loud and clear.
What’s more disrespectful of our country, our flag, and our military than taking a knee? Being a draft-dodger (e.g. Trump)!
Or picking fights with Gold Star families.
are you that gullible ?? I guess so.
Don’t overthink my comments. I meant just what I said, nothing more. Geez, Demorats can’t help playing the race card all the time. Take away the your nasty implications and you cannot dispute my comments.
You’ll notice they are both white former football players.
Sally you just have to place the race card? That’s what the former president accomplished his 8 long years in office. He fanned the flames of race like no one has ever done in the country. What a shame.
Considering that the core issue at hand is race related, she was more than justified in her comment.
What has our current president done to put out those flames?
Uh, this new President has motivated neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and straight up bigotry like no other. If David Duke is applauding my message, I think I’d change my tune.
Black millionaires being oppressed all the way to the bank.
80% of black kids born to single moms, there’s your oppression! Black men keeping black women down. Nothing to see here….move along.
Given this conversation is about RACE.
Jack,
Not surprising this racist POS commentary comes from you. We’ve heard it from you before. It’s abhorrent and belongs at your next KKK rally. NOT HERE!
Cap planet- just because you can’t handle truth doesn’t mean it’s not the truth…..except maybe on your planet, which you are the captain of i take it?
What % of the NFL is black? What % of that % are millionaires?
What % of the general population is black? What % of that % are millionaires?
What % of black single moms are millionaires?
Which one of the above groups is more oppressed than the other?
Please do not use %’s from your planet, stick to ours.
Nope, you put it out there, source required from you. And, based on the things you have said out here, AWFULLY difficult believing you are black. Easy for you to just throw that out here so people don’t find you as racist as you are. You might have black hair.
Ya see Cap, numbers are not “racist”. Truth is truth, some people just don’t want to honestly deal with the truth. It’s easier to play the you’re a racist, kkk, blah blah blah.
So tired of it, used so much it really doesn’t mean anything anymore.
And for the record, get on your knees for the National Anthem, it shows me who you are. It’s free speech.
JUST DON’T COME TO MY PLACE OF BUSINESS AND FORCE ME TO BAKE YOUR GAY WEDDING CAKE!!!!
Free speech is a 2 way street….unless you are from uranus.
Let me paint the difference for you. Refusing commerce due to someone’s sexual preference is discriminatory. That furthers discrimination. Kind of like African Americans at diners, in buses, or sipping water from a drinking fountain. Kneeling in protest is because of the discrimination African Americans face at the feet of some, not all, but some police officers who have abused their power. Got the difference now?
77.3% according to that study. OK – let’s ask the bigger question – why is that? What is it about socioeconomic conditions that may cause a spike like that? Answer that, solve for it, and then the number decreases. “Black millionaires being oppressed…” is a racist comment, btw. If you have turned off TVs on Sunday, what are you doing to help these single parent families out in your area? Are you trying to be a part of the solution?
How many kids does Adrian Peterson have with how many different moms? Is that a Millionaire feeling a sense of entitlement?
How many kids does our president have with different moms? Is that a millionaire feeling a sense of entitlement?
Not sure it’s “a sense of entitlement” but it’s a recipe for being bankrupt.
What a typical liberal reply!
“why is that”- White people don’t pay enough taxes? Tax the rich? College should be free ? Health insurance is a right ?
HOW ABOUT BLACK MEN HAVE SEX WITH BLACK WOMEN AND DON’T GET MARRIED BEFORE THEY GIVE BIRTH TO THEM. LEAVE THEM HOLDING THE BABY TO STRUGGLE THRU LIFE. IF IT WERE WHITE MEN DOING IT, YOU COULD BET EVERY LIBERAL WOULD BE YELLING FROM THE MOUNTAIN TOPS.
Again so tired of the it’s not our fault mentality. How about you add up the salaries of all the players taking a knee and then let me know of the % given to the oppressed black families in their neighborhoods before you come to mine.
Get off my lawn.
Jack,
It doesn’t take a liberal to understand not everyone is born of the lucky sperm club. And, by design, the government has placed minorities in oppressed areas for decades. Socioeconomic conditions create inequality, which, by the way, impacts some white people, too. I’m guessing you might call them trailer trash. Though, these conditions proportionately affect minorities to a much greater extent.
Didn’t say white trash, please read carefully. I am using a term that is specific to a socioeconomic place, in this case a trailer park, not necessarily a color. Though, white people in that place do suffer similar unequal conditions as do those in other places such as government housing and low income inner-city neighborhoods. Oh, and thanks for finally dropping the “N” word. Many of us out here have known you’ve been wanting to for a long time.
I respectfully request that Jack’s post using the “N word” be deleted immediately and he be banned from any future posting. There is absolutely no reason to ever use that word in an insurance industry forum (or any forum, for that matter), regardless of context.
Cap Planet- ” Socioeconomic conditions create inequality, which, by the way, impacts some white people, too. I’m guessing you might call them trailer trash.”
Most of us know what you were saying. good try though. We see you have your dog whistle as well.
You see using a word doesn’t make you a racist, a homophobe, etc. Your actions speak louder than words, but given the topic of the article and the lack of actions by the NFL players taking a knee to really help the oppressed black single moms in the US I can see where the you might be a little confused.
Why is it that Democrat held states and cities have the most socioeconomic conditions you refer to ? Is it because that where the democrats want them? Let’s take Ben Carson for example, how did he escape ?
Jax–
The N word has no place on this board, nor does anyone who uses it. If that makes me a bedwetter, fine. I respect everyone’s right to free speech whether I agree with it or not, however an insurance forum is no place for that language. Remember: freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from consequences. Case in point: the NFL Protests. I don’t agree with them one bit, however I support the players’ right to protest. THe consequence in this case is the NFL losing ratings and people’s interest (mine included).
I’m glad to see his post was deleted and hope he doesn’t use the word here again.
Downvoter: I agree that the word should be retired from the language, but I don’t think anyone should be banned forever for it’s use. I also find it interesting and problematic that the most prolific use of that word comes from within the black community. They can’t rap a song without its use (not to mention other vulgarities).
I upvoted your response to me as I thought it was exceptionally on point.
Best,
Jax–
I’ve upvoted yours as well. Thank you for the civil discussion.
the downvoter- I’m curious as to why the trailer trash word wouldn’t be banned from use? We all know who and what class of person it refers to. Is it simply because they are white?
You see it’s people like you that claim ” i believe in free speech” when you really don’t. Again your actions speak louder than words.
Jack–
for you to equate the N word with “white trash” shows me you’re not black, as you claimed in a previous post. Neither of them are appropriate, however there is no comparison as to which is worse.
Rise above it.
apologies, the word was “trailer trash”, not “white trash.” Neither of them are nice, but still don’t compare to the N word.
And by the way Cap Planet, I’m black.
I’d bet your captain of planet URANUS aren’t you. Come on, you can tell us.
Ironic using Patriots and kneeling in the same sentence. Hardly.
Says you, but not this veteran:
http://www.9news.com/news/local/next/veteran-uses-us-flag-code-to-defend-nfl-players-kneeling-during-the-national-anthem/478496709
Leftists like you have already lost this argument just like the NFL players who are still kneeling and sitting. The worst example so far is standing for God Save the Queen in England and kneeling for our NATIONAL ANTHEM.
Independent, Agent. Again, I voted for several Republicans in the last election. But, like our president, you keep peddling false narratives trying to generate truth from lies.
THIS veteran is offended deeply by Kaepernick and his minions, most of whom couldn’t tell you why they take a knee, they just know that it puts the spotlight on them. I am very happy to say that the vast majority of Americans feel the way that I do about this. It would truly be disheartening if that same vast majority didn’t care……but they do.
You can say they aren’t being disrespectful and I’ll say that you’re out of your mind and can’t spin this hard enough to make it anything that it isn’t – disrespectful. And if a few veterans say it’s ok, that doesn’t make it ok, that only makes it ok with them, not the vast (see: super) majority.
Black millionaires today, bankrupt tomorrow. Sadly, these players earn money early, squander it, and it doesn’t last. Not to mention most are not equipped for anything but football. I may have a narrow view here, but when I watch football I just want to see 60 minutes of play. It’s strictly entertainment and I’m not entertained if I have to view a political statement in the process. Doesn’t mean I don’t understand the cause or support it, I just want THAT information in another format or venue. No different that watching a 2 hr movie. Sometimes I want to watch a documentary, other times I want Dumb & Dumber.
Let me know when they protest the overwhelming number of blacks who are killed by blacks. (Total number of unarmed blacks killed by police in 2016: 17). And you can bet at least a few of those killed were on drugs and/or behaving in a way that would have caused anyone deep concern.
Let me know then they protest the collapse of the black family.
Let me know when they protest liberal opposition to school choice, which now has a mountain of evidence showing that poor black children do better in districts where they aren’t forced to go to the same crappy schools in their bad neighborhoods.
Let me know when Asians explain how racism has held them back, and how America has let them down.
Are there still issues of racism in American? Of course. People will always find a reason not to like someone else. Short people, ugly people, dumb people, religious people, and on and on.
But the real hurdles are elsewhere. (And before you call me a racist, consider my background.)
According to the US Flag Code, “The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.”
So I would assume when the military holds the flag during NFL games, in the unfree and horizontal position, then they are violating the US Flag Code.