Can you imagine if Dave Jones was worried about other industries?
“California approves first low-cost insurance policy for manufacturers . . .”
“Dave Jones to hold Climate Change stress test for Silicon Valley companies . . .”
“Dave Jones to go back to being the actual insurance commissioner full time . . .”
Although I still question what article of the constitution give the power to regulate drugs of any kind to the fed that is beside the point as Cannabis is still a Schedule I drug per the DEA.
Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:
heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana Cannabis), ,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote
Do I disagree with this classification for marijuana, most definitely, but until such time as the law is change at the federal level it is what it is and Mr. Jones you are wrong sir it is legalized under California law only and where a state law is in conflict with a federal law we all know who wins.
It’s also safer than heroin. But not safer than aspirin.
Or bananas.
Hey, this game is fun! Making silly comparisons that fail to prove that MJ is safe at all!
Because it isn’t. It doubles your chances of mental illness, damages IQ for young people, causes car crashes that kill innocent people, and results in addiction.
According to the Federal Highway Traffic Administration, 38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on . . . pot.
So, to answer your question, A LOT of people died from MJ, and not even when the overdosed!
Also, check the statistics on the suicide rates of marijuana users.
In a country where suicide is sky roccketing, pot users are WAY ahead of the average.
But otherwise, you seem like a smart guy.
June 11, 2018 at 10:41 am
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“According to the Federal Highway Traffic Administration, 38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on . . . pot.”
Yeah … umm, I’m going to have to see the report on that please, Craig.
If someone tests positive for marijuana, there’s no way of knowing WHEN they last smoked or IF they were even high when the loss occurred.
That’s a significant limitation on weed tests … just because you test positive, there’s no way to prove when you smoked. I HIGHLY doubt the study says they were high on pot – more likely just that they had it in their system (which again, doesn’t prove they were high when the crash happened).
Got a link to support your statement?
June 11, 2018 at 2:50 pm
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Is an overdose the only measure of safety these days?
June 11, 2018 at 3:31 pm
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Absolutely not Wayne, but it is one very important aspect to consider when determining how safe (or unsafe) a substance really is especially when comparing it to other dangerous substances.
The majority of people here against marijuana seem to be sidestepping me on this argument, so I’ll ask you …
I can say with 100% confidence that if your BAL is over the limit minutes or even hours after a crash, that you were definitely DUI. Can you say with extreme confidence that if someone tests positive for marijuana 3 minutes after an accident, that actually proves they were high when the accident happened?
June 11, 2018 at 9:05 am
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Hey Craig,
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They are your words, Craig. Just reminding you to practice what you preach.
June 8, 2018 at 2:36 pm
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@mrbob: Trump just announced he will likely support ending the federal ban on MJ.
“A lifting of the federal prohibition would bolster efforts to create uniform testing and regulatory standards for marijuana, and potentially free scientists to pursue research into the medical uses of marijuana.” Evan Halper, L.A. Times.
CCC if the feds ever move in the right direction on this I will certainly support insurance for the industry, until then would you bet your company on being involved in the chain of commerce for what is currently an illegal drug?
Why can’t anyone do their own research? I gave you the source. Look it up. Try to prove me wrong even.
Here’s another fun fact. In a country where suicide has risen 30% since 2000, in a country where 45,000. people killed themselves in 2016, the rates of suicide for regular marijuana users is 7 times the average. (Must be guns, right lefties? BAN GUNS!)
(For lazy people, just Google “marijuana and suicide rates”. Pick your source; there are lots of them.)
My request for your source is there are many reports from the FHTA, and none of them match the numbers you posted. How am I supposed to know WHICH report to look at when I google your text and it doesn’t come up with any results to match what you said? For example, I found:
One that says nothing about marijuana: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4037460/ = Drugged drivers who were tested for drug use accounted for 11.4% of all drivers involved in fatal motor vehicle crashes in 2010. Drugged drivers are increasingly likely to be older drivers, and the percentage using multiple drugs increased from 32.6% in 1993 to 45.8% in 2010. About half (52.4%) of all drugged drivers used alcohol, but nearly three-quarters of drivers testing positive for cocaine also used alcohol. Prescription drugs accounted for the highest fraction of drugs used by drugged drivers in fatal crashes in 2010 (46.5%), with much of the increase in prevalence occurring since the mid-2000s.
And so on and so on. So I again respectfully ask you to source your argument … exactly which FHTA study from what year are you referencing when you said “38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on pot?”
Maybe my reply w/ links will end up posting here, but just in case: Craig … there are many reports from the FHTA that cover drug use, yet NONE of them actually match the number you reported – this is why I asked you for your source. Once again, can you provide a link to the actual report you were referencing that confirms the numbers you posted?
The Insurance Journal published those statistics just a few weeks ago.
Man, this is boring. If you think spreading marijuana all over the country will make people better or happier or more successful, there is no use in talking to you.
There is a mountain of evidence it is harming people, especially young people.
This is about freedom and liberty. Also, saving billions of taxpayer dollars. Some of which could be used for educating the people on the dangers of marijuana use.
At what point did I say harming others while under the influence should be legal and not be punished?
If you decide to just go through the stop sign and harm someone, you should be punished. That is my position for your ridiculous example.
June 12, 2018 at 8:04 am
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“If you think spreading marijuana all over the country will make people better or happier or more successful, there is no use in talking to you.”
Never argued that. In fact, I’ve said marijuana is NOT harmless and IS harmful to some people, but it definitely helps some others.
“There is a mountain of evidence it is harming people, especially young people.”
Again. I’ve acknowledged the harmful effects of marijuana many times. Not sure why you keep saying the opposite.
Now … again … WHICH FHTA report were you talking about that said “38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on pot”? Please source this since all the FHTA studies I found do not support this statement. Thank you.
Oh my, Craig. Alright … you know how many IJ articles came up when googling those exact words? ONE article over the course of 3 pages of google results. https: //www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/mag-features/2018/04/16/486026.htm
You know what that article DOESN’T talk about? Your “38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on pot” stat.
You post a stat – I tell you the data can’t be verified with the source you cited and ask you to cite your source. You tell me to google something, which once again doesn’t support your argument.
Are you simply making up stats or do you actually have a source that can support your argument?
You posted the data, now support your argument. Even though it’s your responsibility to prove what you said is true, I’ve tried to help you by attempting to verify the accuracy of what you said and nothing comes up.
Saying “well, you google it” or “it’s not my fault you can’t find it” is a total cop-out. The onus is on you to prove what you said is true.
Can you post a link that brings us to a report showing “38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on pot.” Can you do it? Let’s see what you got.
Here is the 2nd paragraph of that article, “The study lacks evidence on whether pot was involved in any of the April 20 crashes, but marijuana can impair driving ability. Previous studies have shown that many pot-using motorists drive after partaking and think it’s safe to do so.”
What else you got?
June 12, 2018 at 4:21 pm
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Typical liberal: arguing over how many specs. of pepper are on the floor as if that is an argument that the pepper didn’t spill . . .
Thanks for admitting you made up that statistic and can’t prove it’s real. That’s a very intelligent way of arguing (end sarcasm) “People can come up with statistics to prove anything — forty percent of all people know that!!”
The statistic is real; there are plenty of them.
This is a silly game. Arguing the number of angels on the head of a pin with people who put their heads in the sand no matter how large the mountain of evidence.
Legalizing pot is proving to be hugely damaging, especially to young people and minorities. Surveys show (look it up yourself) that more young people think pot is harmless than at any time before, right when the research continues to build that it is quite dangerous. Now why is that, my lefty friends? Is it because you all are talking honestly about the truth about pot?
(I’ll help you: Los Angeles County Department of Health Statistics, 10 year summary on marijuana).
It’s quite simple Craig … if you post a statistic, you better be able to back it up with source data to prove you didn’t just pull it out of thin air. Not sure why this concept is so difficult for you to understand.
Can you imagine if Dave Jones was worried about other industries?
“California approves first low-cost insurance policy for manufacturers . . .”
“Dave Jones to hold Climate Change stress test for Silicon Valley companies . . .”
“Dave Jones to go back to being the actual insurance commissioner full time . . .”
Although I still question what article of the constitution give the power to regulate drugs of any kind to the fed that is beside the point as Cannabis is still a Schedule I drug per the DEA.
Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:
heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana Cannabis), ,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote
Do I disagree with this classification for marijuana, most definitely, but until such time as the law is change at the federal level it is what it is and Mr. Jones you are wrong sir it is legalized under California law only and where a state law is in conflict with a federal law we all know who wins.
get over yourself. Its a damn plant and safer than those opiods you dope up on.
It’s also safer than heroin. But not safer than aspirin.
Or bananas.
Hey, this game is fun! Making silly comparisons that fail to prove that MJ is safe at all!
Because it isn’t. It doubles your chances of mental illness, damages IQ for young people, causes car crashes that kill innocent people, and results in addiction.
Just like bananas!
@Craig: Thousands of people died last year from aspirin overdose. How many died from MJ overdose — ever?
Pretty sure you can’t die from eating too many bananas, but watch out for those peels…
This is fun!
According to the Federal Highway Traffic Administration, 38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on . . . pot.
So, to answer your question, A LOT of people died from MJ, and not even when the overdosed!
Also, check the statistics on the suicide rates of marijuana users.
In a country where suicide is sky roccketing, pot users are WAY ahead of the average.
But otherwise, you seem like a smart guy.
“According to the Federal Highway Traffic Administration, 38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on . . . pot.”
Yeah … umm, I’m going to have to see the report on that please, Craig.
If someone tests positive for marijuana, there’s no way of knowing WHEN they last smoked or IF they were even high when the loss occurred.
That’s a significant limitation on weed tests … just because you test positive, there’s no way to prove when you smoked. I HIGHLY doubt the study says they were high on pot – more likely just that they had it in their system (which again, doesn’t prove they were high when the crash happened).
Got a link to support your statement?
Is an overdose the only measure of safety these days?
Absolutely not Wayne, but it is one very important aspect to consider when determining how safe (or unsafe) a substance really is especially when comparing it to other dangerous substances.
The majority of people here against marijuana seem to be sidestepping me on this argument, so I’ll ask you …
I can say with 100% confidence that if your BAL is over the limit minutes or even hours after a crash, that you were definitely DUI. Can you say with extreme confidence that if someone tests positive for marijuana 3 minutes after an accident, that actually proves they were high when the accident happened?
Hey Craig,
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Try not embarrassing yourself in writing.
“Christian”.
They are your words, Craig. Just reminding you to practice what you preach.
@mrbob: Trump just announced he will likely support ending the federal ban on MJ.
“A lifting of the federal prohibition would bolster efforts to create uniform testing and regulatory standards for marijuana, and potentially free scientists to pursue research into the medical uses of marijuana.” Evan Halper, L.A. Times.
If Tramp actually does, I will applaud him on those efforts. “We’ll see what happens.”
CCC if the feds ever move in the right direction on this I will certainly support insurance for the industry, until then would you bet your company on being involved in the chain of commerce for what is currently an illegal drug?
Why can’t anyone do their own research? I gave you the source. Look it up. Try to prove me wrong even.
Here’s another fun fact. In a country where suicide has risen 30% since 2000, in a country where 45,000. people killed themselves in 2016, the rates of suicide for regular marijuana users is 7 times the average. (Must be guns, right lefties? BAN GUNS!)
(For lazy people, just Google “marijuana and suicide rates”. Pick your source; there are lots of them.)
My request for your source is there are many reports from the FHTA, and none of them match the numbers you posted. How am I supposed to know WHICH report to look at when I google your text and it doesn’t come up with any results to match what you said? For example, I found:
One that says nothing about marijuana:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4037460/ = Drugged drivers who were tested for drug use accounted for 11.4% of all drivers involved in fatal motor vehicle crashes in 2010. Drugged drivers are increasingly likely to be older drivers, and the percentage using multiple drugs increased from 32.6% in 1993 to 45.8% in 2010. About half (52.4%) of all drugged drivers used alcohol, but nearly three-quarters of drivers testing positive for cocaine also used alcohol. Prescription drugs accounted for the highest fraction of drugs used by drugged drivers in fatal crashes in 2010 (46.5%), with much of the increase in prevalence occurring since the mid-2000s.
One that doesn’t put numbers on marijuana use = http://www.iihs.org/iihs/sr/statusreport/article/50/4/3
And so on and so on. So I again respectfully ask you to source your argument … exactly which FHTA study from what year are you referencing when you said “38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on pot?”
Maybe my reply w/ links will end up posting here, but just in case: Craig … there are many reports from the FHTA that cover drug use, yet NONE of them actually match the number you reported – this is why I asked you for your source. Once again, can you provide a link to the actual report you were referencing that confirms the numbers you posted?
The Insurance Journal published those statistics just a few weeks ago.
Man, this is boring. If you think spreading marijuana all over the country will make people better or happier or more successful, there is no use in talking to you.
There is a mountain of evidence it is harming people, especially young people.
Who is responsible for the results?
Craig,
This is about freedom and liberty. Also, saving billions of taxpayer dollars. Some of which could be used for educating the people on the dangers of marijuana use.
Sounds great, Mr. Libertarian.
Let’s get rid of some stupid traffic laws, in the interest of efficiency.
Why should I stop at every stupid stop sign? I can tell when it is safe to go and not safe? Why should the government interfere in my life?
After all, if other people get hurt as a result, that’s there fault, not mine.
Way to totally misunderstand my position.
At what point did I say harming others while under the influence should be legal and not be punished?
If you decide to just go through the stop sign and harm someone, you should be punished. That is my position for your ridiculous example.
“If you think spreading marijuana all over the country will make people better or happier or more successful, there is no use in talking to you.”
Never argued that. In fact, I’ve said marijuana is NOT harmless and IS harmful to some people, but it definitely helps some others.
“There is a mountain of evidence it is harming people, especially young people.”
Again. I’ve acknowledged the harmful effects of marijuana many times. Not sure why you keep saying the opposite.
Now … again … WHICH FHTA report were you talking about that said “38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on pot”? Please source this since all the FHTA studies I found do not support this statement. Thank you.
Google “Insurance Journal, marijuana and fatal traffic accidents”.
Oh my, Craig. Alright … you know how many IJ articles came up when googling those exact words? ONE article over the course of 3 pages of google results. https: //www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/mag-features/2018/04/16/486026.htm
You know what that article DOESN’T talk about? Your “38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on pot” stat.
You post a stat – I tell you the data can’t be verified with the source you cited and ask you to cite your source. You tell me to google something, which once again doesn’t support your argument.
Are you simply making up stats or do you actually have a source that can support your argument?
You posted the data, now support your argument. Even though it’s your responsibility to prove what you said is true, I’ve tried to help you by attempting to verify the accuracy of what you said and nothing comes up.
Saying “well, you google it” or “it’s not my fault you can’t find it” is a total cop-out. The onus is on you to prove what you said is true.
Can you post a link that brings us to a report showing “38% of all fatal accidents in the US involved a driver high on pot.” Can you do it? Let’s see what you got.
I Googled that and the IJ article is, https://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/mag-features/2018/04/16/486026.htm
Here is the 2nd paragraph of that article, “The study lacks evidence on whether pot was involved in any of the April 20 crashes, but marijuana can impair driving ability. Previous studies have shown that many pot-using motorists drive after partaking and think it’s safe to do so.”
What else you got?
Typical liberal: arguing over how many specs. of pepper are on the floor as if that is an argument that the pepper didn’t spill . . .
Thanks for admitting you made up that statistic and can’t prove it’s real. That’s a very intelligent way of arguing (end sarcasm) “People can come up with statistics to prove anything — forty percent of all people know that!!”
The statistic is real; there are plenty of them.
This is a silly game. Arguing the number of angels on the head of a pin with people who put their heads in the sand no matter how large the mountain of evidence.
Legalizing pot is proving to be hugely damaging, especially to young people and minorities. Surveys show (look it up yourself) that more young people think pot is harmless than at any time before, right when the research continues to build that it is quite dangerous. Now why is that, my lefty friends? Is it because you all are talking honestly about the truth about pot?
(I’ll help you: Los Angeles County Department of Health Statistics, 10 year summary on marijuana).
It’s quite simple Craig … if you post a statistic, you better be able to back it up with source data to prove you didn’t just pull it out of thin air. Not sure why this concept is so difficult for you to understand.