This can’t be. My reading of the comments on this site have lead me to believe marijuana isn’t mind altering nor dangerous for others when potheads are smoking, eating, whatever method they choose to get high.
This site is dead wrong! Shame on them! Marijuana IS a mind altering and dangerous drug, and I hope the Feds never take it off their list of illegal drugs….this from personal experience with family members who suffer from its ill effects and addiction. Demonic!
Please see Captains response to this both of you. No one on here has said cannabis is not a mind altering drug (except if you are referring to CBD which is non psychoactive). We also never argues dangers. Anyone who uses the substance like this and drives while under the influence should get a DUI just like if someone did the same thing with alcohol. That is all (also personal experiences especially around family are not statically significant, I have had a lot of family members who were addicted to drinking but oh darn that is illegal and just like cannabis prohibition did not work)
Please compare and contrast ‘mind-altering’ and ‘impairs cognitive ability’ before providing any further comments you’ll later regret. I suspect ‘mind altering’ does differ from ‘impairs cognitive ability’.
We have often read Capt. Platitude’s responses to recent, credible, unbiased studies that dispel prior lies about the absence of ill effects of pot on the human brain, and chuckled at them.
We summarily reject any counter arguments about alcohol on the basis that it is also harmful when abused. Studies have shown the effects of alcohol abuse to be serious and long-lasting, so many of us who object to legalizing recre-pot also have confronted alcohol abuse. But, this is not the forum for that discussion.
I have been on almost every thread related to this and you always reject the alcohol comments Polar. I have also said that there are dangers to cannabis, I have never disagreed with you on that point. What I do disagree on is the issue on statistical significance. You can say you dig into the studies, but they have biases within them. They should not always be thrown away though due to the fact that they could be true if it is replicated in an actual way that excludes the bias and can be replicated which has not been done yet. I will not regret what I say about the difference between CBD and THC because from previous conversations you do not have the ability to grasp the difference between the two where one is non psychoactive. The pro cannbis crowd that normally argues with you from what I have seen on here do not argue there are no dangers to cannabis because that is not true, the issue is the differences in seen benefits compared to the dangers. Pro pot people either want it because they agree the benefits outweigh the negatives (I do believe there are healthier alternatives to using cannabis rather than smoking) or they want the states and people to decide if it should be legal rather than the federal government. You can laugh at anyone who argues against you all you want, but it does not prove your studies are applicable scientifically. You need to have a higher degree of education to really dig into it from my experience dealing with you, you are more financial and do not grasp the science behind some important changes happening in the world.
No one should be operating a vehicle impaired by anything…or without having regulated sugar controls if that driver is diabetic. If one is going to partake in MJ, he/she should not be getting behind the wheel. Stay at home, walk to the park, order some food – just don’t drive under the influence. But yes, Jack King, I didn’t see anything in the article showing any signs of evidence. I’m guessing they have their reasons to be suspicious, perhaps something was found in the vehicle. Would have been good for them to mention something along those lines.
Like these types of accidents never happen when a driver is not under the influence of marijuana.
If she was under the influence of marijuana while driving, she was breaking the law. Just as someone who smokes in a state where it is illegal. Laws do not stop behavior. People do.
It was a single vehicle accident. She made a poor choice and paid the ultimate consequence.
Honestly Craig, you would have the same argument about guns. Maybe in the end it’s Darwin’s theory and you have to weed out the idiots. Why are we wasting our money enforcing any law that is not really being followed by our citizens?! There will always be a black market for illegal goods. You making fun of other people just shows how ignorant and hateful you are.
When people make foolish comments that they don’t believe are foolish, they should stand by them. Back them up. Defend them.
To say laws do not stop behavior is hilarious to me. But if you think the purpose of laws is something other than trying to stop bad behavior, well who am I to change your mind?
(Now I’m laughing at you too. But I could be wrong. . .)
If laws stopped behavior, we have no need for criminal courts and jails/prison? Just legislate us to a utopian society.
We should only have laws protecting us from each other, not ourselves. That is the point.
For example, it is legal to consume anything you wish. However, it is illegal to harm another person, including the unborn, or their property while under the influence of a mind-altering substance.
I would think a small-government Conservative would understand this simple concept.
Right. No need for speeding laws, because everyone knows you shouldn’t go too fast. Same for laws against running red lights – not needed, because it is obvious that running a red light could cause an accident.
Motor vehicle laws are designed to protect us from other, not ourselves.
Thank you for proving my point.
September 15, 2018 at 3:30 am
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Sure sounds like a plain old car accident to me after reading the article. And apparently people quickly forget the most recent studies, including the 2015 National Highway Traffic Safety study by the feds themselves.
“However, over twenty years of studies have shown that marijuana smokers may actually be getting a bad rap. Research suggests that cannabis users may actually have fewer accidents than other drivers. There have been several studies conducted over the past twenty years and each one of them has revealed that using marijuana actually has a very minor, if any, effect on the ability of a person to operate a moving vehicle.
Top 10 Reasons Marijuana Users Are Safer Drivers
1. Drivers who had been using marijuana were found to drive slower, according to a 1983 study done by U.S. National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA). At the time, this was seen as a factor in the favor of marijuana advocacy groups, since drivers who drank alcohol usually drove faster and more aggressively, leading to more accidents.
2. Marijuana users were able to drive straight and not have any trouble staying in their own lanes when driving on the highway, according to a NHTSA study done in 1993 in the Netherlands. The study determined also that the use of marijuana had very little affect on the person’s overall driving ability.
3. Drivers who had smoked marijuana were shown to be less likely to try and pass other cars on the road. They were also more likely to drive at a consistent speed, according to a University of Adelaide study done in Australia. The study showed that marijuana posed no danger (unless the drivers had also been drinking alcohol) driving stoned.
4. Drivers high on marijuana were also shown to be less likely to drive in a reckless fashion, according to a study done in 2000 in the UK by the UK Transport Research Lab. The study was done using driving simulators and actually was originally hoping to show the dangers of marijuana, but instead it showed the exact opposite and confirmed that these drivers were actually safer than some of the other drivers on the road.
5. States that allow the legal use of marijuana for medical reasons are noticing less traffic fatalities. For example, in Colorado and Montana there has been a 9% drop in traffic fatalities and a 5% drop in beer sales. The conclusion was that marijuana use actually has helped save lives. Medical marijuana is allowed in 30 states in the U.S. as of 2018.
6. Low doses of marijuana in a person’s system was found by tests in Canada in 2002 to have little effect on a person’s ability to drive a car, and that these drivers were in much fewer car crashes than alcohol drinkers.
7. Most marijuana smokers have fewer crashes because they don’t even drive in the first place and just stay home, thus concluded more than one of these tests on pot smoking and driving.
8. Marijuana smokers are thought to be more “sober” drivers. Traffic information from 13 states where medical marijuana is legal showed that these drivers were actually safer and more careful than many other drivers on the road. These studies were confirmed by the University of Colorado and Montana State University when they compared the relationship between legal marijuana use and deaths in traffic accidents in those states. A study done by The Truth About Cars showed that traffic deaths fell nine percent in states with legal use of medical marijuana. (To view our study on Drunk Driving vs. Alcohol-Related Traffic Deaths, click here.)
9. Multiple studies show that marijuana smokers are less likely to be risk takers than those that use alcohol. The studies concluded that marijuana calmed people down and made them actually pay more attention to their abilities. These tests and research studies showed that while some people think marijuana is a major cause of traffic problems, in reality it may make marijuana users even safer when they get behind the wheel.
10. Drivers who smoke marijuana were shown to drive at the speed limit (over long distances), which made them less likely to cause or have crashes.”
What a silly post. Comparing pot to alcohol is like comparing alcohol to sleeping pills. Yes, one is worse than the other. But all of them cause traffic deaths.
The article you posted just acknowledges that THC-caused traffic deaths are harder to measure.
To say that cannabis users “may have fewer accidents than other drivers” does NOT mean that THC-impaired drivers don’t kill people. They do.
The efforts of you Pot Sellers to normalize pot is mind-blowing. (Better Google “marijuana and brain damage”.)
Good point. Why do anything about bad things. Bad things just happen. Free society.
September 18, 2018 at 1:33 pm
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Since your goal is to save everyone from harm, especially death, should we not remove anything that is designed to harm?
You guys on the right love to play the slippery slope card.
September 18, 2018 at 3:18 pm
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I am all about freedom when that freedom is informed, honest and protects the innocent. Meaning children and people who are NOT informed.
Most people have NO idea that THC can cause brain damage. (Google: “marijuana and brain damage”.) The science is now building so fast it is mind-boggling.
And yet it is estimated that 70% of African Americans smoke pot regularly. You think they know the dangers? You think that will help them reach equality in America?
Informed, knowledgeable freedom. (Let me know when Brad Pitt or Jon Stewart or any of the Hollywood Trump-haters do a single public service announcement on the dangers of THC.)
Does confused have any intellectual integrity? Here is a test: confused shows the courage to read the first 10 articles that come up when he does a google search for “marijuana and brain damage”. After reading those 10 articles, confused posts the reasons African Americans should smoke more marijuana . . .
This can’t be. My reading of the comments on this site have lead me to believe marijuana isn’t mind altering nor dangerous for others when potheads are smoking, eating, whatever method they choose to get high.
This site is dead wrong! Shame on them! Marijuana IS a mind altering and dangerous drug, and I hope the Feds never take it off their list of illegal drugs….this from personal experience with family members who suffer from its ill effects and addiction. Demonic!
Please see Captains response to this both of you. No one on here has said cannabis is not a mind altering drug (except if you are referring to CBD which is non psychoactive). We also never argues dangers. Anyone who uses the substance like this and drives while under the influence should get a DUI just like if someone did the same thing with alcohol. That is all (also personal experiences especially around family are not statically significant, I have had a lot of family members who were addicted to drinking but oh darn that is illegal and just like cannabis prohibition did not work)
Please compare and contrast ‘mind-altering’ and ‘impairs cognitive ability’ before providing any further comments you’ll later regret. I suspect ‘mind altering’ does differ from ‘impairs cognitive ability’.
We have often read Capt. Platitude’s responses to recent, credible, unbiased studies that dispel prior lies about the absence of ill effects of pot on the human brain, and chuckled at them.
We summarily reject any counter arguments about alcohol on the basis that it is also harmful when abused. Studies have shown the effects of alcohol abuse to be serious and long-lasting, so many of us who object to legalizing recre-pot also have confronted alcohol abuse. But, this is not the forum for that discussion.
I have been on almost every thread related to this and you always reject the alcohol comments Polar. I have also said that there are dangers to cannabis, I have never disagreed with you on that point. What I do disagree on is the issue on statistical significance. You can say you dig into the studies, but they have biases within them. They should not always be thrown away though due to the fact that they could be true if it is replicated in an actual way that excludes the bias and can be replicated which has not been done yet. I will not regret what I say about the difference between CBD and THC because from previous conversations you do not have the ability to grasp the difference between the two where one is non psychoactive. The pro cannbis crowd that normally argues with you from what I have seen on here do not argue there are no dangers to cannabis because that is not true, the issue is the differences in seen benefits compared to the dangers. Pro pot people either want it because they agree the benefits outweigh the negatives (I do believe there are healthier alternatives to using cannabis rather than smoking) or they want the states and people to decide if it should be legal rather than the federal government. You can laugh at anyone who argues against you all you want, but it does not prove your studies are applicable scientifically. You need to have a higher degree of education to really dig into it from my experience dealing with you, you are more financial and do not grasp the science behind some important changes happening in the world.
Craig, when did you change your name?
You may now call me Captain Black Hole. Or Captain Empty Planet.
AUGUST 8, 2018 AT 2:17 PM
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Gotta love all the deep thinkers who come up with zero facts, but lots of insults.
Very persuasive. The approach a third grader might employ. (Try “poo poo head” next time.)
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I wonder why they suspected her of being high? Nothing in the article points to pot as the cause.
Jack, perhaps they found her stash in the car and still smoldering reefers in the ash tray.
Agent,
Absolutely nobody calls it reefer anymore. Do you also have an onion on your belt? Do you get 5 bees for a quarter?
ashtray? Do cars even have ashtrays in the last 2 decades?
No one should be operating a vehicle impaired by anything…or without having regulated sugar controls if that driver is diabetic. If one is going to partake in MJ, he/she should not be getting behind the wheel. Stay at home, walk to the park, order some food – just don’t drive under the influence. But yes, Jack King, I didn’t see anything in the article showing any signs of evidence. I’m guessing they have their reasons to be suspicious, perhaps something was found in the vehicle. Would have been good for them to mention something along those lines.
Like these types of accidents never happen when a driver is not under the influence of marijuana.
If she was under the influence of marijuana while driving, she was breaking the law. Just as someone who smokes in a state where it is illegal. Laws do not stop behavior. People do.
It was a single vehicle accident. She made a poor choice and paid the ultimate consequence.
“Laws do not stop behavior. People do.”
My favorite comment of all time. Just awesome. Excellent point. Why have laws at all?
Honestly Craig, you would have the same argument about guns. Maybe in the end it’s Darwin’s theory and you have to weed out the idiots. Why are we wasting our money enforcing any law that is not really being followed by our citizens?! There will always be a black market for illegal goods. You making fun of other people just shows how ignorant and hateful you are.
When people make foolish comments that they don’t believe are foolish, they should stand by them. Back them up. Defend them.
To say laws do not stop behavior is hilarious to me. But if you think the purpose of laws is something other than trying to stop bad behavior, well who am I to change your mind?
(Now I’m laughing at you too. But I could be wrong. . .)
If laws stopped behavior, we have no need for criminal courts and jails/prison? Just legislate us to a utopian society.
We should only have laws protecting us from each other, not ourselves. That is the point.
For example, it is legal to consume anything you wish. However, it is illegal to harm another person, including the unborn, or their property while under the influence of a mind-altering substance.
I would think a small-government Conservative would understand this simple concept.
Right. No need for speeding laws, because everyone knows you shouldn’t go too fast. Same for laws against running red lights – not needed, because it is obvious that running a red light could cause an accident.
Laws do not stop behavior . . .
Motor vehicle laws are designed to protect us from other, not ourselves.
Thank you for proving my point.
Sure sounds like a plain old car accident to me after reading the article. And apparently people quickly forget the most recent studies, including the 2015 National Highway Traffic Safety study by the feds themselves.
“However, over twenty years of studies have shown that marijuana smokers may actually be getting a bad rap. Research suggests that cannabis users may actually have fewer accidents than other drivers. There have been several studies conducted over the past twenty years and each one of them has revealed that using marijuana actually has a very minor, if any, effect on the ability of a person to operate a moving vehicle.
Top 10 Reasons Marijuana Users Are Safer Drivers
1. Drivers who had been using marijuana were found to drive slower, according to a 1983 study done by U.S. National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA). At the time, this was seen as a factor in the favor of marijuana advocacy groups, since drivers who drank alcohol usually drove faster and more aggressively, leading to more accidents.
2. Marijuana users were able to drive straight and not have any trouble staying in their own lanes when driving on the highway, according to a NHTSA study done in 1993 in the Netherlands. The study determined also that the use of marijuana had very little affect on the person’s overall driving ability.
3. Drivers who had smoked marijuana were shown to be less likely to try and pass other cars on the road. They were also more likely to drive at a consistent speed, according to a University of Adelaide study done in Australia. The study showed that marijuana posed no danger (unless the drivers had also been drinking alcohol) driving stoned.
4. Drivers high on marijuana were also shown to be less likely to drive in a reckless fashion, according to a study done in 2000 in the UK by the UK Transport Research Lab. The study was done using driving simulators and actually was originally hoping to show the dangers of marijuana, but instead it showed the exact opposite and confirmed that these drivers were actually safer than some of the other drivers on the road.
5. States that allow the legal use of marijuana for medical reasons are noticing less traffic fatalities. For example, in Colorado and Montana there has been a 9% drop in traffic fatalities and a 5% drop in beer sales. The conclusion was that marijuana use actually has helped save lives. Medical marijuana is allowed in 30 states in the U.S. as of 2018.
6. Low doses of marijuana in a person’s system was found by tests in Canada in 2002 to have little effect on a person’s ability to drive a car, and that these drivers were in much fewer car crashes than alcohol drinkers.
7. Most marijuana smokers have fewer crashes because they don’t even drive in the first place and just stay home, thus concluded more than one of these tests on pot smoking and driving.
8. Marijuana smokers are thought to be more “sober” drivers. Traffic information from 13 states where medical marijuana is legal showed that these drivers were actually safer and more careful than many other drivers on the road. These studies were confirmed by the University of Colorado and Montana State University when they compared the relationship between legal marijuana use and deaths in traffic accidents in those states. A study done by The Truth About Cars showed that traffic deaths fell nine percent in states with legal use of medical marijuana. (To view our study on Drunk Driving vs. Alcohol-Related Traffic Deaths, click here.)
9. Multiple studies show that marijuana smokers are less likely to be risk takers than those that use alcohol. The studies concluded that marijuana calmed people down and made them actually pay more attention to their abilities. These tests and research studies showed that while some people think marijuana is a major cause of traffic problems, in reality it may make marijuana users even safer when they get behind the wheel.
10. Drivers who smoke marijuana were shown to drive at the speed limit (over long distances), which made them less likely to cause or have crashes.”
https://www.4autoinsurancequote.com/uncategorized/reasons-why-marijuana-users-are-safe-drivers/
https://reason.com/blog/2015/02/09/landmark-study-finds-marijuana-is-not-li
What a silly post. Comparing pot to alcohol is like comparing alcohol to sleeping pills. Yes, one is worse than the other. But all of them cause traffic deaths.
The article you posted just acknowledges that THC-caused traffic deaths are harder to measure.
To say that cannabis users “may have fewer accidents than other drivers” does NOT mean that THC-impaired drivers don’t kill people. They do.
The efforts of you Pot Sellers to normalize pot is mind-blowing. (Better Google “marijuana and brain damage”.)
“To say that cannabis users ‘may have fewer accidents than other drivers’ does NOT mean that THC-impaired drivers don’t kill people. They do.”
So do drivers who fall asleep, have medical emergencies, and experience vehicle malfunctions. How do we prevent those accidents?
You tell me.
We don’t. Car deaths, regardless of the reason or our imaginary ability to stop them, happen. It’s called reality in a free society.
Good point. Why do anything about bad things. Bad things just happen. Free society.
Since your goal is to save everyone from harm, especially death, should we not remove anything that is designed to harm?
You guys on the right love to play the slippery slope card.
I am all about freedom when that freedom is informed, honest and protects the innocent. Meaning children and people who are NOT informed.
Most people have NO idea that THC can cause brain damage. (Google: “marijuana and brain damage”.) The science is now building so fast it is mind-boggling.
And yet it is estimated that 70% of African Americans smoke pot regularly. You think they know the dangers? You think that will help them reach equality in America?
Informed, knowledgeable freedom. (Let me know when Brad Pitt or Jon Stewart or any of the Hollywood Trump-haters do a single public service announcement on the dangers of THC.)
what? no comment about pregnant women smoking pot and african american pregnant women smoking more than the average? you are slipping
Does confused have any intellectual integrity? Here is a test: confused shows the courage to read the first 10 articles that come up when he does a google search for “marijuana and brain damage”. After reading those 10 articles, confused posts the reasons African Americans should smoke more marijuana . . .
i see sarcasm escapes you
I tend not to joke about brain damage to unborn children . . .
Does Craig have any intellectual integrity? i said i was being sarcastic. sarcasm is different than a joke
sarcasm – the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
joke – a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
“the use of irony to mock or convey contempt” . . . about brain damage to unborn children . . .
Does Craig have any intellectual integrity? i was mocking & conveying contempt for you, not the unborn!