Think of the lobbying power an “industry” of this size can have.
And all this is largely if not entirely based on addressing carbon emissions. But how important a factor are they, and do they justify this level of expenditure? There are some crucial, verifiable facts – with citations – about human-generated carbon dioxide and its effect on global warming people need to know at
hseneker.blogspot.com
The discussion is too long to post here but is a quick and easy read. I recommend following the links in the citations; some of them are very educational.
The top 40 largest oil and gas companies alone made 5 trillion dollars last year, more than triple the amount of the entire climate change industry. Then there’s the refinery companies, the mining and manufacturing companies, the fossil fuel exploration and speculation firms, and the tens of thousands of lawyers and lobbyists working for them. Together, they’re orders of magnitude more powerful as a lobbying force than the climate change industry.
Any industry this size whose existance does not rely on a product or service fulfilling needs of consmers has an incredible incentive to justifuy their existance which is why I take whatever their spokespeople say or study they produce with a grain of salt.
Dave, as if the fake Climate Scientists weren’t bad enough before, a new story came out today that a William Ruddiman, Climate Scientist from the University of Virginia is now blaming man who existed 7,000 years ago for starting Global Warming. It seems that men who lived back then burned trees to clear land for agriculture and they were responsible for stopping the natural cooling process. This is about as irresponsible as it gets.
I would agree it is an “industry” just at there is the “panhandle industry” as a panhandler told a talk show host some years ago. Anytime one can take in $$$, they will make it big business as long as it will hit the emotions of some of the people wither it’s true or not. This is why fraud thrives.
You people seem to believe there is a viable debate on anthropogenic climate change; that there are two equally reasonable viewpoints. That someone’s blog posting is of comparable weight and significance as a peer reviewed publication in a scholarly scientific journal.
You apparently believe that 98% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences are conspiring to indoctrinate the public with some unsubstantiated theory whose real goal is to foster a dark left-wing agenda.
When scientific research doesn’t support your personal beliefs or agenda, only a paranoid or willfully ignorant person concludes “science is wrong (and perhaps evil)”. This is true whether your personal agenda is “conservative” (e.g. climate change) or “liberal” (e.g. GMOs or vaccines). This kind of science-denial recalls the suppression of Galileo and Darwin by orthodox religous groups.
You’re too uninformed about science to even be talking about this subject. A theory in science means far more than an unproven guess that you’re making it out to be. You can start by reading this article on what scientists mean when they use the word theory.
Of course mankind can change the climate. The greenhouse effect is a very well understood phenomenon that causes real, observable changes in the climate. And we are currently pumping billions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere every year.
Even ignoring the greenhouse effect, mankind is more than capable of changing the climate. All out nuclear war would absolutely change the Earth’s climate plunging it into a state of nuclear winter.
Also, what does evolution have to do with this topic? No one is saying nature in general can’t overcome global warming. Clearly those species that can adapt to changing climates will continue to survive. It’s just that we are changing the climate at such a rapid pace, that many species of animals that we appreciate are at risk of extinction because they have too short of a time frame to adapt.
i urge you to read the report on the so called 97% consensus. as per “their” definition i belong to the 97% consensus even though i strongly disagree that human CO2 is the main cause of global warming…. because I DO BELIEVE THAT HUMANS CONTRIBUTE TO WARMING (where do you think the heat of your smartphone goes to?)… fore more detail read below
But why do I write this and why do I care?
1. Very simple. I care about the environment and our children, I believe humans do hurt the environment in too many ways. I believe our environment is changing and I know it is getting warmer (about 1 degree since industrial revolution during the past 200 years), however, I believe future slight warming is benign and overall positive for our planet. Today we are almost 8bln people while 100 years ago we were 2bln. It takes money and human resources to fight this negative impact we have on our planet. I know and very much support that the long-term future is all renewable (but wind is not the solution). Future renewable power will be an entirely new solar based technology, and to get there we need environmentally friendly large scale battery systems (which we unfortunately are nowhere near yet but technology is improving fast).
2. The annual output of Tesla’s Gigafactory, the world’s largest battery factory, could store three minutes’ worth of annual U.S. electricity demand. It would require 1.000 years of production to make enough batteries for two days’ worth of U.S. electricity demand. Meanwhile, 50-100 pounds of materials are mined, moved, and processed for every pound of battery produced. Solar technologies have improved greatly and will continue to become cheaper and more efficient. But the era of 10-fold gains is over. The physics boundary for silicon photovoltaic (PV) cells, the Shockley-Queisser Limit, is a maximum conversion of 34% of photons into electrons; the best commercial PV technology today exceeds 26%. Wind power technology has also improved greatly, but here, too, no 10-fold gains are left. The physics boundary for a wind turbine, the Betz Limit, is a maximum capture of 60% of kinetic energy in moving air; commercial turbines today exceed 40%. We are decades away from the true “New Energy Revolution” and we need more base research to get there. Scientists have yet to discover, and entrepreneurs have yet to invent, anything as remarkable as hydrocarbons in terms of the combination of low-cost, high-energy density, stability, safety, and portability. Author and faculty fellow at Northwestern Mark Mills, The Manhattan Institute, summarized this subject very well.
3. The billions and now soon trillions of USD spent on CO2 mitigation or “decarbonization” are probably the single biggest waste of tax payers’ financial resources ever in human history. This money is urgently needed to be spent on human waste removal (inc oceans), waste management, reducing air pollution, space junk removal, health care, energy efficiency, research in renewable and sustainable energy, fighting poverty – bringing affordable energy to the poor, education, spiritual development, and much more
4. I believe focusing on reducing the CO2 content in the atmosphere does not only hurt our economy (Germany’s power prices are among the highest in the word; 2.5 to 4x above China/US, displacing industrial activity and jobs from the “West” to other nations) but it actually hurts our environment and plant life… this money is needed for impactful environmental protection that makes a positive difference… and this money is needed in the “East” to more efficiently and cleanly deal with fossils.
5. Millions of truly environmentally caring people and billions of tax payers are misinformed and their personal energy and resources is wasted. They are made believe their money is spent on something that saves the planet and human kind from a boiling future. They are made believe that sea level rises are accelerating when in fact they are not accelerating at all, and in some cases land masses also fall and rise giving appearance of changes in sea levels. Maldives (which I love my grandchildren to see one day) is a great example
6. I do not believe in a conspiracy but in a sort of self-enforcing trend of misinformation or missing information that really took off with the IPCC (a UN organization with its sole purpose to prove that human CO2 causes global warming – therefore an inherently biased organization). Today the industry and money behind decarbonization is so large that governments, banks, large organizations, etc cannot easily turn around unless tax payers object. On IPCC: Contrary to the Policy Summary written by IPCC officials interpreting scientists’ research, the IPCC Report Climate Change 2013 “The Physical Science Basis” written and documented by scientists details on page 235 (which hardly anyone reads) “There is limited evidence of changes in extremes associated with other climate variables since the mid-20th century”.
7. Global climate is complex and yet very simple…. It changes all the time, mainly influenced by the sun. but greenhouse gases such as water vapor (biggest), CO2 and others also have an influence. A little known fact is that CO2’s heat absorption capacity diminishes logarithmically so that doubling of the CO2 content in the atmosphere from 0.04% to 0.08% (which would take probably 200 years) would add about 1 degree of warming and so on… not more.
8. Anthropogenic CO2 has one very significant benefit that the public is not informed about… It greens the Earth and increases biomass which is much needed to feed our growing population and animal life. Manmade CO2 has added about 15% to global biomass alone in the past decades… so fossil power plants add far more biomass (indirectly trees) than activists are planting. Even NASA agrees. Just recently even the Davos World Economic Forum admitted the benefits of CO2, this is a big step in the right direction!
9. The 97% consensus is bogus. As per “their” definition I also belong to the 97% because I do believe that humans have contributed to warming of our planet (where do you think does all our energy we produce and consume go to?… in form of heat it ends up in the biosphere/oceans or is emitted back to space). Please read the 97% consensus reports and educate yourself.
However, today’s age of unlimited access to information is slowly changing the perception. More and more scientists are speaking out (even in the German Bundestag, see here from Nov 2018) and more and more information becomes available to the public. While some radical climate alarmists (and there are also many radical “deniers” that I don’t support) are trying to stop an honest scientific dispute, it is happening more and more. Please go to http://www.co2coalition.org to read more
Does anyone ever look at web sites like this one? http://iceagenow.info/
Or this one:- http://wattsupwiththat.com/
Guess not.
There is no ‘Global Warming’.
Yes, ther is Climate Change, change which is well within accepted climate parameters.
No surprises here. Even when the first so-called “earth day” was “celebrated” in 1970, critics pointed out that April 22, 1970 just happened to be the 100th anniversary of Lenin’s birth. It’s no coincidence. The economic controls and restrictions that are placed on a society under the deceitful guise of “saving the planet” read like something out of the communist playbook. Wake up people, and realize what this “climate change” hoax is all about. For one thing, mankind doesn’t have the power to control the weather, nor can we stop volcanic eruptions or shoo hurricanes onto a different path. For crying out loud, if we can control storms, the how come there wasn’t a bunch of these environmental zealots and gaia worshippers in the path of Katrina doing their vibes and chants routine trying to divert it? Where were they when tornadoes tore through Tuscaloosa, Moore, OK, and south-central Missouri in recent years? Give me a break!! Shut up about this doom and gloom climate change bilge and start showing concern about something that’s really harmful to our nation’s future, like the hideous slaughter of the unborn, the continued accommodation of dangerous drug usage, and the erosion of our rights and freedoms!!
Controlling storms is completely different beast. Although, for what it’s worth, humans are trying to control storms right now anyway!
Climate Change is the 2015 version of the hole in the ozone layer.
It’s 100% real, yet some people will deny its existence anyway
Maybe humans were the driving factor in it
Maybe humans were NOT the driving factor
Regardless, doing nothing will ruin the planet for our species
We must try and do SOMETHING so we don’t pass the point of no return and make this land uninhabitable for our children’s children
You are right Roger. Global Warming/Climate Change advocates are all about control of the people which is the Socialists/Communists mantra. They want to carbon tax businesses and people out of existence. Just yesterday, the President came out with yet even harsher restrictions on power plants that produce our electricity. EPA is totally out of control and even want to stop people from having a back yard BBQ. Common Man!
A Socialist has never seen a tax they don’t like. Just because we don’t have the tax yet doesn’t mean that the left does not want it and are working towards it every day of the week.
You’re right Roger! I see it now! The first Earth Day was celebrated on the 100th anniversary of Lenin’s birth. The word Lenin has five letters in it. If you subtract 1, then you get 4, which is the number of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse. So trying to protect the environment is really just going to enrage God, who wants us to pollute more. I get it now! Thank you Roger!
If God is so powerful, and he can control things, then why weren’t there hordes of religious zealots and God worshippers in the path of Katrina doing their vibes and chants trying to divert it? Where were the “holy” worshippers when tornados tore through Tuscaloosa, et. al. in recent years? If those who claim to have faith, really do have faith, then why didn’t they act like it? Give me a break!!
The things that are being said about environmental controls today are the same things that were said when controls were put into place to deal with acid rain. It was “the end of America!” Funny how the sky didn’t fall, industry survived, and our nation continued to grow. Shut up about this doom and gloom talk about restrictions, and start showing concern about something that’s really harmful to our nation’s future, like a crumbling infrastructure. Oh, that’s right; we can’t deal with our infrastructure, because we have to give more tax cuts to the rich.
Shirley, it must be a sad existence for an Atheist like you. Every rant you make is against God and believers in the Creator.
By the way, the crumbling infrastructure is the result of Progressive Socialism preached by your savior Obama. He said a large part of the “stimulus” was to go toward repairing infrastructure and “shovel ready” jobs. Whatever happened to those jobs that weren’t created and why wasn’t the infrastructure projects started and completed? The quick answer was that political donors got the proceeds from the taxpayers so they could donate more to the Democratic Party. Quite a scheme if I do say so.
Cuts both ways. 6 1/2 years in office and the man is still blaming Bush for everything and I’m certain once Iran gets and uses the Nuke they will get because of the agreement just signed he will blame whoever is in office at the time.
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I get that Dave, and I agree Obama is doing a bad job.
If Agent is going to blame Obama for having a D+ infrastructure on his watch, then Agent must also find equal blame on Bush for having the same score while he was President too.
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I ask you again Devil, where did all that nearly trillion dollars go from the bogus stimulus if infrastructure was to be targeted? Perhaps people should be asking Joe Biden when he jumps into the race since he was put in charge of the funds to dispense for projects. That would be an interesting revelation and may rival some of their other scandals.
So I’ll say it again, I agree Obama is doing a bad job.
Got that? Obama is doing a bad job.
Okay? NOW…
Obama get blame for the state of the US infrastructure today, which is rated a D+, and I agree. Obama is doing a bad job.
However, Bush ALSO must be blamed for doing a bad job of improving our infrastructure when he was President since it was also rated a D+ while he was in office.
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Another good quote:
“I believe that all forms of Socialism have been proven over time to result in a loss of both economic and civil liberties, with increasing poverty”. — John Mackey
Agent – you asked a question that nobody has answered, even though you could have just typed your question into google and got the answer yourself. Anyway, here’s the information you wanted.
Infrastructure investment
Total: $105.3 billion
Transportation
Road and highway construction is the biggest single line infrastructure item in the final bill. Projects funded by the ARRA have a sign marking them, like this one in Middletown, Rhode Island.
Sign for an ARRA funded road-widening project on State Highway 9 north of Breckenridge, Colorado.
Total: $48.1 billion,[40] some in the form of Transportation Income Generating Economic Recovery (TIGER) Grants
$27.5 billion for highway and bridge construction projects
$8 billion for intercity passenger rail projects and rail congestion grants, with priority for high-speed rail
$6.9 billion for new equipment for public transportation projects (Federal Transit Administration)
$1.5 billion for national surface transportation discretionary grants
$1.3 billion for Amtrak
$1.1 billion in grants for airport improvements
$750 million for the construction of new public rail transportation systems and other fixed guideway systems.
$750 million for the maintenance of existing public transportation systems
$200 million for FAA upgrades to air traffic control centers and towers, facilities, and equipment
$100 million in grants for improvements to domestic shipyards
Water, sewage, environment, and public lands[edit]
Total: $18 billion[41][42][43][44][45]
$4.6 billion for the Army Corps of Engineers for environmental restoration, flood protection, hydropower, and navigation infrastructure projects
$4 billion for the Clean Water State Revolving Fund wastewater treatment infrastructure improvements (EPA)
$2 billion for the Drinking Water State Revolving Fund drinking water infrastructure improvements (EPA)
$1.38 billion for rural drinking water and waste disposal projects
$1 billion to the Bureau of Reclamation for drinking water projects for rural or drought-likely areas
$750 million to the National Park Service
$650 million to the Forest Service
$600 million for hazardous waste cleanup at Superfund sites (EPA)
$515 million for wildfire prevention projects
$500 million for Bureau of Indian Affairs infrastructure projects
$340 million to the Natural Resources Conservation Service for watershed infrastructure projects
$320 million to the Bureau of Land Management
$300 million for reductions in emissions from diesel engines (EPA)
$300 million to improve Land Ports of Entry (GSA)
$280 million for National Wildlife Refuges and the National Fish Hatchery System
$220 million to the International Boundary and Water Commission to repair flood control systems along the Rio Grande
$200 million for cleanup of leaking Underground Storage Tanks (EPA)
$100 million for cleaning former industrial and commercial sites (Brownfields) (EPA)
Government buildings and facilities[edit]
Impact of the ARRA on Department of Defense facilities across the nation.
Total: $7.2 billion
$4.2 billion to repair and modernize Defense Department facilities.
$890 million to improve housing for service members
$750 million for federal buildings and U.S. Courthouses (GSA)
$250 million to improve Job Corps training facilities
$240 million for new child development centers
$240 million for the maintenance of United States Coast Guard facilities
$200 million for Department of Homeland Security headquarters
$176 million for Agriculture Research Service repairs and improvements
$150 million for the construction of state extended-care facilities
$100 million to improve facilities of the National Guard
Communications, information, and security technologies[edit]
Federal Communications Commission (FCC) map showing the availability of broadband internet access in the U.S.
Total: $10.5 billion
$7.2 billion for complete broadband and wireless Internet access
$1 billion for explosive detection systems for airports
$500 million to update the computer center at the Social Security Administration
$420 million for construction and repairs at ports of entry
$290 million to upgrade IT platforms at the State Department
$280 million to upgrade border security technologies
$210 million to build and upgrade fire stations
$200 million for IT and claims processing improvements for Veterans Benefits Administration
$150 million to upgrade port security
$150 million for the security of transit systems
$50 million for IT improvements at the Farm Service Agency
$26 million to improve security systems at the Department of Agriculture headquarters
Energy infrastructure[edit]
Total: $21.5 billion[46][47]
$6 billion for the cleanup of radioactive waste (mostly nuclear weapons production sites)[48]
$4.5 billion for the Office of Electricity and Energy Reliability to modernize the nation’s electrical grid and smart grid.
$4.5 billion to increase energy efficiency in federal buildings (GSA)
$3.25 billion for the Western Area Power Administration for power transmission system upgrades.
$3.25 billion for the Bonneville Power Administration for power transmission system upgrades.
Energy efficiency and renewable energy research and investment[edit]
Loans and investments into green energy technology are a significant part of the final bill
Total: $27.2 billion
$6 billion for renewable energy and electric transmission technologies loan guarantees
$5 billion for weatherizing modest-income homes
$3.4 billion for carbon capture and low emission coal research
$3.2 billion toward Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grants.[49]
$3.1 billion for the State Energy Program to help states invest in energy efficiency and renewable energy
$2 billion for manufacturing of advanced car battery (traction) systems and components.
$800 million for biofuel research, development, and demonstration projects.
$602 million to support the use of energy efficient technologies in building and in industry
$500 million for training of green-collar workers (by the Department of Labor)
$400 million for the Geothermal Technologies Program
$400 million for electric vehicle technologies
$300 million for energy efficient appliance rebates
$300 million for state and local governments to purchase energy efficient vehicles
$300 million to acquire electric vehicles for the federal vehicle fleet (GSA)
$250 million to increase energy efficiency in low-income housing
$204 million in funding for research and testing facilities at national laboratories
$190 million in funding for wind, hydro, and other renewable energy projects
$115 million to develop and deploy solar power technologies
$110 million for the development of high efficiency vehicles
$42 million in support of new deployments of fuel cell technologies
Housing[edit]
Total: $14.7 billion[50]
$4 billion to the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for repairing and modernizing public housing, including increasing the energy efficiency of units.
$2.25 billion in tax credits for financing low-income housing construction
$2 billion for Section 8 housing rental assistance
$2 billion for the Neighborhood Stabilization Program to purchase and repair foreclosed vacant housing
$1.5 billion for rental assistance to prevent homelessness
$1 billion in community development block grants for state and local governments
$555 million in mortgage assistance for wounded service members (Army Corps of Engineers)
$510 million for the rehabilitation of Native American housing
$250 million for energy efficient modernization of low-income housing
$200 million for helping rural Americans buy homes (Department of Agriculture)
$140 million in grants for independent living centers for elderly blind persons (Dept. of Education)
$130 million for rural community facilities (Department of Agriculture)
$100 million to help remove lead paint from public housing
$100 million emergency food and shelter for homeless (Department of Homeland Security)
Scientific research[edit]
NASA is among the government agencies receiving additional funds under the Act
Total: $7.6 billion[citation needed]
$3 billion to the National Science Foundation
$2 billion to the United States Department of Energy
$1 billion to NASA, including “$400 million for space exploration related activities. Of this amount, $50 million [was] to be used for the development of commercial crew space transportation concepts and enabling capabilities.”[51]
$600 million to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
$580 million to the National Institute of Standards and Technology, of which $68 million was spent on new major (+$1M) scientific instruments, $200M went to fund major scientific building construction at research universities, and $110M was spent on new buildings and major upgrades to existing facilities, including energy efficiency and solar panel arrays, at the Gaithersburg MD and Boulder CO campuses.
$230 million for NOAA operations, research and facilities
$140 million to the United States Geological Survey
Other[edit]
President Obama in Ohio on March 6, 2009, for the graduation of the Columbus Police Division’s 114th Class, saying that the ARRA did bring some good news
Total: $10.6 billion
$4 billion for state and local law enforcement agencies[52]
$1.1 billion in waivers on interest payments for state unemployment trust funds
$1 billion in preparation for the 2010 census
$1 billion in added funding for child support enforcement
$750 million for DTV conversion coupons and DTV transition education
$749 million in crop insurance reinstatement, and emergency loans for farmers
$730 million in SBA loans for small businesses
$500 million for the Social Security Administration to process disability and retirement backlogs
$201 million in additional funding for AmeriCorps and other community service organizations
$150 million for Urban and Rural economic recovery programs
$150 million for an increase of claims processing military staff
$150 million in loans for rural businesses
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts to support artists
$50 million for the National Cemetery Administration
I knew you would have to jump in with your long winded explanation Rosenblatt. You put Bob to shame. So, if this has all been done, how come Obama still gets a failing grade for infrastructure? He, himself said that there was no shovel ready jobs created by the Stimulus. $27.2 billion for Green Energy Loans? Gee, it is even worse than I thought on all those belly up companies like Solyndra and numerous others. Do you think there may have been some graft and corruption with a bill this size? Where were the jobs created at? All this bill created was more massive debt by the Federal Government.
I only wrote the first paragraph. Everything else was copied & pasted so you could see where all the money went. You asked where the money went and I told you exactly where it went. You could’ve googled that information yourself, but you did not. There was no need to insult me for simply answering what you had asked.
Ok, how about answering me about your position on Planned Parenthood 5 videos later with each one worse than the prior? Are you with the leftists who continue to say they are fine or are you with those of us that want them stripped of federal funding and the ringleaders of this terrible organization prosecuted?
You missed one. Obama said there was $40billion that,
“I can Not say where it went”
???? can not or will not?? hard to tell…
I remember a young man that ran a small NGO nonprofit bragged he had $250million to use to push the AGW meme back in 2010. I often wondered how he could get that kind of money when The Red Cross claimed their funds received for that year was $90million…pg
It’s worth noting that the Climate Change Industry is now comparable in size to the global oil industry, and it dwarfs the much-maligned coal industry. But Big Oil industry succeeds by meeting real needs. Big Climate is a parasitic “crony capitalist” industry, dependent on government coercion.
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The top 40 largest oil and gas companies alone made 5 trillion dollars last year, more than triple the amount of the entire climate change industry. Then there’s the refinery companies, the mining and manufacturing companies, the fossil fuel exploration and speculation firms, and the tens of thousands of lawyers and lobbyists working for them. Together, they’re orders of magnitude more powerful as a lobbying force than the climate change industry.
Is a Trillion dollar industry a significant, standalone industry?
Does a wild polar bear poop on icebergs?
Yogi, according to Al Gore, the polar caps would be gone by 2014. Where would the Polar Bear poop if there were no icebergs?
Any industry this size whose existance does not rely on a product or service fulfilling needs of consmers has an incredible incentive to justifuy their existance which is why I take whatever their spokespeople say or study they produce with a grain of salt.
Dave, the whole thing is geared toward generating carbon taxes. That is what leftists do, tax, tax and then tax some more.
There is no nationwide carbon tax levied in the United States
Not yet.
Exactly! If only the socialist leftists could learn the ‘right’ way of doing things! Another upvote for you, Agent!
I agree with Agent. it’s politics, not science, that drives that bus.
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Dave, as if the fake Climate Scientists weren’t bad enough before, a new story came out today that a William Ruddiman, Climate Scientist from the University of Virginia is now blaming man who existed 7,000 years ago for starting Global Warming. It seems that men who lived back then burned trees to clear land for agriculture and they were responsible for stopping the natural cooling process. This is about as irresponsible as it gets.
I would agree it is an “industry” just at there is the “panhandle industry” as a panhandler told a talk show host some years ago. Anytime one can take in $$$, they will make it big business as long as it will hit the emotions of some of the people wither it’s true or not. This is why fraud thrives.
You people seem to believe there is a viable debate on anthropogenic climate change; that there are two equally reasonable viewpoints. That someone’s blog posting is of comparable weight and significance as a peer reviewed publication in a scholarly scientific journal.
You apparently believe that 98% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences are conspiring to indoctrinate the public with some unsubstantiated theory whose real goal is to foster a dark left-wing agenda.
When scientific research doesn’t support your personal beliefs or agenda, only a paranoid or willfully ignorant person concludes “science is wrong (and perhaps evil)”. This is true whether your personal agenda is “conservative” (e.g. climate change) or “liberal” (e.g. GMOs or vaccines). This kind of science-denial recalls the suppression of Galileo and Darwin by orthodox religous groups.
Mr risk,
Evolutionists still haven’t found the missing link. There is a reason why the theory of evolution is still a theory.
Why is it that when science cannot substantiate obvious flaws in their theories that they simply ignore them?
Absolute truth is right 100% of the time. Truth is not relative.
You’re too uninformed about science to even be talking about this subject. A theory in science means far more than an unproven guess that you’re making it out to be. You can start by reading this article on what scientists mean when they use the word theory.
http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html
And pilots still haven’t been able to find the cloud that has the pearly gates on it.
And zoologists still haven’t been able to find a snake that can talk.
I know of two snakes that can talk. They are called Obama and Hilary.
In case you have missed it in other articles and posts, the climate changes. It always has and it always will.
Man does not have the ability to change the climate, by accident or on purpose.
If you believe in evolution, nature finds a way to survive. Yet, somehow you think nature can’t overcome global warming.
Which is it? You can’t have it both ways.
Speaking of missing links, the ironically named “integrity matters” is clearly not someone who could be persuaded by things like physics.
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i urge you to read the report on the so called 97% consensus. as per “their” definition i belong to the 97% consensus even though i strongly disagree that human CO2 is the main cause of global warming…. because I DO BELIEVE THAT HUMANS CONTRIBUTE TO WARMING (where do you think the heat of your smartphone goes to?)… fore more detail read below
But why do I write this and why do I care?
1. Very simple. I care about the environment and our children, I believe humans do hurt the environment in too many ways. I believe our environment is changing and I know it is getting warmer (about 1 degree since industrial revolution during the past 200 years), however, I believe future slight warming is benign and overall positive for our planet. Today we are almost 8bln people while 100 years ago we were 2bln. It takes money and human resources to fight this negative impact we have on our planet. I know and very much support that the long-term future is all renewable (but wind is not the solution). Future renewable power will be an entirely new solar based technology, and to get there we need environmentally friendly large scale battery systems (which we unfortunately are nowhere near yet but technology is improving fast).
2. The annual output of Tesla’s Gigafactory, the world’s largest battery factory, could store three minutes’ worth of annual U.S. electricity demand. It would require 1.000 years of production to make enough batteries for two days’ worth of U.S. electricity demand. Meanwhile, 50-100 pounds of materials are mined, moved, and processed for every pound of battery produced. Solar technologies have improved greatly and will continue to become cheaper and more efficient. But the era of 10-fold gains is over. The physics boundary for silicon photovoltaic (PV) cells, the Shockley-Queisser Limit, is a maximum conversion of 34% of photons into electrons; the best commercial PV technology today exceeds 26%. Wind power technology has also improved greatly, but here, too, no 10-fold gains are left. The physics boundary for a wind turbine, the Betz Limit, is a maximum capture of 60% of kinetic energy in moving air; commercial turbines today exceed 40%. We are decades away from the true “New Energy Revolution” and we need more base research to get there. Scientists have yet to discover, and entrepreneurs have yet to invent, anything as remarkable as hydrocarbons in terms of the combination of low-cost, high-energy density, stability, safety, and portability. Author and faculty fellow at Northwestern Mark Mills, The Manhattan Institute, summarized this subject very well.
3. The billions and now soon trillions of USD spent on CO2 mitigation or “decarbonization” are probably the single biggest waste of tax payers’ financial resources ever in human history. This money is urgently needed to be spent on human waste removal (inc oceans), waste management, reducing air pollution, space junk removal, health care, energy efficiency, research in renewable and sustainable energy, fighting poverty – bringing affordable energy to the poor, education, spiritual development, and much more
4. I believe focusing on reducing the CO2 content in the atmosphere does not only hurt our economy (Germany’s power prices are among the highest in the word; 2.5 to 4x above China/US, displacing industrial activity and jobs from the “West” to other nations) but it actually hurts our environment and plant life… this money is needed for impactful environmental protection that makes a positive difference… and this money is needed in the “East” to more efficiently and cleanly deal with fossils.
5. Millions of truly environmentally caring people and billions of tax payers are misinformed and their personal energy and resources is wasted. They are made believe their money is spent on something that saves the planet and human kind from a boiling future. They are made believe that sea level rises are accelerating when in fact they are not accelerating at all, and in some cases land masses also fall and rise giving appearance of changes in sea levels. Maldives (which I love my grandchildren to see one day) is a great example
6. I do not believe in a conspiracy but in a sort of self-enforcing trend of misinformation or missing information that really took off with the IPCC (a UN organization with its sole purpose to prove that human CO2 causes global warming – therefore an inherently biased organization). Today the industry and money behind decarbonization is so large that governments, banks, large organizations, etc cannot easily turn around unless tax payers object. On IPCC: Contrary to the Policy Summary written by IPCC officials interpreting scientists’ research, the IPCC Report Climate Change 2013 “The Physical Science Basis” written and documented by scientists details on page 235 (which hardly anyone reads) “There is limited evidence of changes in extremes associated with other climate variables since the mid-20th century”.
7. Global climate is complex and yet very simple…. It changes all the time, mainly influenced by the sun. but greenhouse gases such as water vapor (biggest), CO2 and others also have an influence. A little known fact is that CO2’s heat absorption capacity diminishes logarithmically so that doubling of the CO2 content in the atmosphere from 0.04% to 0.08% (which would take probably 200 years) would add about 1 degree of warming and so on… not more.
8. Anthropogenic CO2 has one very significant benefit that the public is not informed about… It greens the Earth and increases biomass which is much needed to feed our growing population and animal life. Manmade CO2 has added about 15% to global biomass alone in the past decades… so fossil power plants add far more biomass (indirectly trees) than activists are planting. Even NASA agrees. Just recently even the Davos World Economic Forum admitted the benefits of CO2, this is a big step in the right direction!
9. The 97% consensus is bogus. As per “their” definition I also belong to the 97% because I do believe that humans have contributed to warming of our planet (where do you think does all our energy we produce and consume go to?… in form of heat it ends up in the biosphere/oceans or is emitted back to space). Please read the 97% consensus reports and educate yourself.
However, today’s age of unlimited access to information is slowly changing the perception. More and more scientists are speaking out (even in the German Bundestag, see here from Nov 2018) and more and more information becomes available to the public. While some radical climate alarmists (and there are also many radical “deniers” that I don’t support) are trying to stop an honest scientific dispute, it is happening more and more. Please go to http://www.co2coalition.org to read more
Does anyone ever look at web sites like this one?
http://iceagenow.info/
Or this one:-
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
Guess not.
There is no ‘Global Warming’.
Yes, ther is Climate Change, change which is well within accepted climate parameters.
No surprises here. Even when the first so-called “earth day” was “celebrated” in 1970, critics pointed out that April 22, 1970 just happened to be the 100th anniversary of Lenin’s birth. It’s no coincidence. The economic controls and restrictions that are placed on a society under the deceitful guise of “saving the planet” read like something out of the communist playbook. Wake up people, and realize what this “climate change” hoax is all about. For one thing, mankind doesn’t have the power to control the weather, nor can we stop volcanic eruptions or shoo hurricanes onto a different path. For crying out loud, if we can control storms, the how come there wasn’t a bunch of these environmental zealots and gaia worshippers in the path of Katrina doing their vibes and chants routine trying to divert it? Where were they when tornadoes tore through Tuscaloosa, Moore, OK, and south-central Missouri in recent years? Give me a break!! Shut up about this doom and gloom climate change bilge and start showing concern about something that’s really harmful to our nation’s future, like the hideous slaughter of the unborn, the continued accommodation of dangerous drug usage, and the erosion of our rights and freedoms!!
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You are right Roger. Global Warming/Climate Change advocates are all about control of the people which is the Socialists/Communists mantra. They want to carbon tax businesses and people out of existence. Just yesterday, the President came out with yet even harsher restrictions on power plants that produce our electricity. EPA is totally out of control and even want to stop people from having a back yard BBQ. Common Man!
A Pigovian tax, or Pigouvian tax, which is what carbon taxing would be if we had it in the USA, which we do not, is not Socialism or Communism.
A Socialist has never seen a tax they don’t like. Just because we don’t have the tax yet doesn’t mean that the left does not want it and are working towards it every day of the week.
“The goal of Socialism is Communism” – Vladimir Lenin
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Shirley, it must be a sad existence for an Atheist like you. Every rant you make is against God and believers in the Creator.
By the way, the crumbling infrastructure is the result of Progressive Socialism preached by your savior Obama. He said a large part of the “stimulus” was to go toward repairing infrastructure and “shovel ready” jobs. Whatever happened to those jobs that weren’t created and why wasn’t the infrastructure projects started and completed? The quick answer was that political donors got the proceeds from the taxpayers so they could donate more to the Democratic Party. Quite a scheme if I do say so.
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Cuts both ways. 6 1/2 years in office and the man is still blaming Bush for everything and I’m certain once Iran gets and uses the Nuke they will get because of the agreement just signed he will blame whoever is in office at the time.
I get that Dave, and I agree Obama is doing a bad job.
If Agent is going to blame Obama for having a D+ infrastructure on his watch, then Agent must also find equal blame on Bush for having the same score while he was President too.
I ask you again Devil, where did all that nearly trillion dollars go from the bogus stimulus if infrastructure was to be targeted? Perhaps people should be asking Joe Biden when he jumps into the race since he was put in charge of the funds to dispense for projects. That would be an interesting revelation and may rival some of their other scandals.
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Another good quote:
“I believe that all forms of Socialism have been proven over time to result in a loss of both economic and civil liberties, with increasing poverty”. — John Mackey
Good one Roger. By the way, our detached, unconcerned President said he would send aid to Monroe, OK because the teleprompter told him so.
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I knew you would have to jump in with your long winded explanation Rosenblatt. You put Bob to shame. So, if this has all been done, how come Obama still gets a failing grade for infrastructure? He, himself said that there was no shovel ready jobs created by the Stimulus. $27.2 billion for Green Energy Loans? Gee, it is even worse than I thought on all those belly up companies like Solyndra and numerous others. Do you think there may have been some graft and corruption with a bill this size? Where were the jobs created at? All this bill created was more massive debt by the Federal Government.
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Ok, how about answering me about your position on Planned Parenthood 5 videos later with each one worse than the prior? Are you with the leftists who continue to say they are fine or are you with those of us that want them stripped of federal funding and the ringleaders of this terrible organization prosecuted?
Rosenblatt, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
You missed one. Obama said there was $40billion that,
“I can Not say where it went”
???? can not or will not?? hard to tell…
I remember a young man that ran a small NGO nonprofit bragged he had $250million to use to push the AGW meme back in 2010. I often wondered how he could get that kind of money when The Red Cross claimed their funds received for that year was $90million…pg
Climate Change Now Its Own Industry? Ask the lobbyists on K street.
It’s worth noting that the Climate Change Industry is now comparable in size to the global oil industry, and it dwarfs the much-maligned coal industry. But Big Oil industry succeeds by meeting real needs. Big Climate is a parasitic “crony capitalist” industry, dependent on government coercion.
I wonder if I can post a cartoon?
https://sealevel.info/1.5_Trillion_Dollar_Piggy_based_on_1885_Bengough_cartoon2_150pct_825x618.png