Love the idea of knowing how best to teach youngsters how to drive but knowing what mistakes they are likely to make, but the loss of an older driver is just as devastating as the loss of a younger driver. We all have the rest of our lives ahead of us — until we don’t.
So, did the males and females have equal access to vehicles at all time? Or did they have the use of the family vehicle when mom and dad didn’t need it? Times of crashes can vary with the availability of vehicles. There appears to be a lot of information that was “assumed” by the study that could directly impact their results.
Somehow I missed the stats on how many accidents that were caused by texting while driving or cell use by either males or females. I wonder how much they received for this study. I would imagine too much.
…and I missed the part where they said how many accidents were part of their study. Sure, they reviewed “young drivers involved in all motor vehicle crashes in Kansas across five years.” Great. How many accidents were there which fit that criteria? 10? 100? 5,000?
According to the KDOT website, there were 350 motor vehicle fatalities in 2013. To date in July 2014 there have been 227. No further breakout. I’ve been an agent for a long time and it has long been known that boys speed and have wrong way and off road crashes and that girls have more fender benders. Data I saw when I worked at Continental showed that the dollar costs were the same for each sex. Girls have more low dollar crashes. I don’t understand why engineers are doing a study like this. Seems more “social sciencey.”
I suspect that if the gender rating variable was introduced today, instead of being an industry staple that’s widely accepted, it would be tossed out as unfair due to the insured’s inability to control or change it.
Somehow, I’m thinking the fact that young female drivers have more crashes at intersections and collisions with pedestrians is much more troubling than those that are off road or in single car crashes. I’m going to watch out for those chickmobiles at lunch time!
I hardly think one can generalize any of these “findings” considering the Study was conducted on KANSAS DEPT. OF MOTOR VEHICLES DATA !!Have any of you driven around the State of Kansas??
this will really sounds sexist, and probably is, but it looks like boys really have better driving skills than girls (at this age) but have wrecks because they are goofing off.
another point that might be made is that the girls may often be the passengers when the boys are “doing their thing” on weekends
LOL! Well, I did live in the south for a while. I have a few redneck friends, but they’re more down home country than “redneck.” They don’t have a Confederate Flag hanging off their pickup, just a gun rack. I love ’em anyway!
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I’m just going to but in here,
Libby you only commented thinking that Bob was your old nemesis me, (the Bob you debate with)
And you think you finally found your Sexist comment. Similar to how you tried to pen me a religious Zealot while I was still agnostic, before my conversion.
It’s funny to watch you just eagerly and hawkishly look for those aspects in me.
If the data supports his theory, he would not be a sexist.
There is a difference between gender norms, trends, etc, and being sexist.
Example: Women are naturally better at certain aspects of nurturing children than men, and if a full room of babies are screaming they can instinctually and biologically know which child is theirs to a degree a man cannot.
There are hardwired differences between men and women.
Yet you and your gender has troubles admitting any of your gender’s weaknesses. If our gender has one, you’re perfectly fine pointing it out though.
There are differences between genders.
My brother majored in this. His old quote was “Every time someone tells me women and men are the same, I want to punch them in the face. Everything in psychology says they are not the least bit similar, not in how they act, not in how they react, and not in the methods of treatment”
Examples of this: Are you aware the problem with most relationships is exactly the differences between the genders, which are real?
Women generally need men to pay attention, or be willing to interrupt what they are doing to pay them attention, at any point in the day.
Men, typically section things off. Work time is work time. Baseball time is baseball time. Intimate time is intimate time. TV time is TV time.
One of the biggest problems with relationships is when a male doesn’t pause from those to say hey or check into the woman, who then feels ignored, because she wants to be a part of his “many rooms” so to speak. Men operate in rooms everything in it’s section. Women don’t.
And try to call that sexist if you want. This is literally part of couples counseling. Not all couples have this issue, and some men won’t operate as much on the “many rooms” type of mentality, but more do so than women. It can be a weakness and a strength. It allows a man to sometimes be really good at focusing something through to finish. But it can also neglect the family and or woman at the same time until he’s done.
Before you run down my throat saying that I’m saying women need “more” attention, that is not what I said.
The psychologist I talked with on this was very specific to say the amount of time the two genders want is relatively the same.
But the woman wants it throughout the day, as opposed to just once after the man has done everything else all in bulk so to speak.
So 10 minutes here in the middle of his game, 10 minutes there while he’s taking care of the kid’s bike, etc.
Instead of the man watching the game to finish, taking care of the bike in it’s totality, and then going to see the girl for 20 minutes before taking off again for another couple hours.
This is a proven fact. And it’s also proven that generally speaking, the treatment that is given is NOT for the woman to go with the man’s method of waiting for his attention.
Almost all cases have the man interrupt his normal lifestyle instincts hardwired in him for the woman, and modify to her schedule on that one.
Isn’t that last part rather interesting into how society treats men vs women?
Wow! Information sufficient to make one break out in a rash !
Mike, perhaps we should apply for a grant study so we can make some money publishing something most people know already.
Love the idea of knowing how best to teach youngsters how to drive but knowing what mistakes they are likely to make, but the loss of an older driver is just as devastating as the loss of a younger driver. We all have the rest of our lives ahead of us — until we don’t.
So, did the males and females have equal access to vehicles at all time? Or did they have the use of the family vehicle when mom and dad didn’t need it? Times of crashes can vary with the availability of vehicles. There appears to be a lot of information that was “assumed” by the study that could directly impact their results.
Somehow I missed the stats on how many accidents that were caused by texting while driving or cell use by either males or females. I wonder how much they received for this study. I would imagine too much.
…and I missed the part where they said how many accidents were part of their study. Sure, they reviewed “young drivers involved in all motor vehicle crashes in Kansas across five years.” Great. How many accidents were there which fit that criteria? 10? 100? 5,000?
According to the KDOT website, there were 350 motor vehicle fatalities in 2013. To date in July 2014 there have been 227. No further breakout. I’ve been an agent for a long time and it has long been known that boys speed and have wrong way and off road crashes and that girls have more fender benders. Data I saw when I worked at Continental showed that the dollar costs were the same for each sex. Girls have more low dollar crashes. I don’t understand why engineers are doing a study like this. Seems more “social sciencey.”
Sexist article. Next thing you know they will publish a racist article on accidents.
I suspect that if the gender rating variable was introduced today, instead of being an industry staple that’s widely accepted, it would be tossed out as unfair due to the insured’s inability to control or change it.
Hey, one can change their gender – that’s what health insurance is for.
Geeeeez common guise!!! Don’t you know that we’re all the same, that there aren’t differences among race, gender, religion, etc. We’re all the same!!!
*firmly places head back in sand.
Somehow, I’m thinking the fact that young female drivers have more crashes at intersections and collisions with pedestrians is much more troubling than those that are off road or in single car crashes. I’m going to watch out for those chickmobiles at lunch time!
I hardly think one can generalize any of these “findings” considering the Study was conducted on KANSAS DEPT. OF MOTOR VEHICLES DATA !!Have any of you driven around the State of Kansas??
I have driven through Kansas several times. It is about as boring a drive as you can take.
this will really sounds sexist, and probably is, but it looks like boys really have better driving skills than girls (at this age) but have wrecks because they are goofing off.
another point that might be made is that the girls may often be the passengers when the boys are “doing their thing” on weekends
If you say things like “it looks like boys really have better driving skills than girls,” you just might be a sexist.
No way really Libby? You of all people sounding like Jeff Foxworthy? I thought you were anti-redneck!
I’m anti-ignorant. There’s a difference.
Libby is actually a closet redneck.
LOL! Well, I did live in the south for a while. I have a few redneck friends, but they’re more down home country than “redneck.” They don’t have a Confederate Flag hanging off their pickup, just a gun rack. I love ’em anyway!
I’m just going to but in here,
Libby you only commented thinking that Bob was your old nemesis me, (the Bob you debate with)
And you think you finally found your Sexist comment. Similar to how you tried to pen me a religious Zealot while I was still agnostic, before my conversion.
It’s funny to watch you just eagerly and hawkishly look for those aspects in me.
I should add on this one:
If the data supports his theory, he would not be a sexist.
There is a difference between gender norms, trends, etc, and being sexist.
Example: Women are naturally better at certain aspects of nurturing children than men, and if a full room of babies are screaming they can instinctually and biologically know which child is theirs to a degree a man cannot.
There are hardwired differences between men and women.
Yet you and your gender has troubles admitting any of your gender’s weaknesses. If our gender has one, you’re perfectly fine pointing it out though.
There are differences between genders.
My brother majored in this. His old quote was “Every time someone tells me women and men are the same, I want to punch them in the face. Everything in psychology says they are not the least bit similar, not in how they act, not in how they react, and not in the methods of treatment”
Examples of this: Are you aware the problem with most relationships is exactly the differences between the genders, which are real?
Women generally need men to pay attention, or be willing to interrupt what they are doing to pay them attention, at any point in the day.
Men, typically section things off. Work time is work time. Baseball time is baseball time. Intimate time is intimate time. TV time is TV time.
One of the biggest problems with relationships is when a male doesn’t pause from those to say hey or check into the woman, who then feels ignored, because she wants to be a part of his “many rooms” so to speak. Men operate in rooms everything in it’s section. Women don’t.
And try to call that sexist if you want. This is literally part of couples counseling. Not all couples have this issue, and some men won’t operate as much on the “many rooms” type of mentality, but more do so than women. It can be a weakness and a strength. It allows a man to sometimes be really good at focusing something through to finish. But it can also neglect the family and or woman at the same time until he’s done.
I’ve now pointed out two weaknesses of men.
I’m totally sexist.
Before you run down my throat saying that I’m saying women need “more” attention, that is not what I said.
The psychologist I talked with on this was very specific to say the amount of time the two genders want is relatively the same.
But the woman wants it throughout the day, as opposed to just once after the man has done everything else all in bulk so to speak.
So 10 minutes here in the middle of his game, 10 minutes there while he’s taking care of the kid’s bike, etc.
Instead of the man watching the game to finish, taking care of the bike in it’s totality, and then going to see the girl for 20 minutes before taking off again for another couple hours.
This is a proven fact. And it’s also proven that generally speaking, the treatment that is given is NOT for the woman to go with the man’s method of waiting for his attention.
Almost all cases have the man interrupt his normal lifestyle instincts hardwired in him for the woman, and modify to her schedule on that one.
Isn’t that last part rather interesting into how society treats men vs women?
Your brother is a real jack-of-all-trades, isn’t he? He majored in everything.
I don’t care who wrote that comment, it is sexist. Boys don’t have better driving skills. They have DIFFERENT driving skills.
Just because it’s sexist doesn’t mean it’s wrong…
Now that’s some f’d up logic.
Well I guess “goofing off” sort of cancels out the “better driving skills”.