When a truck of this autoclaved waste spills and a week later some firemen get ebola, you will see some serious reaction.
Meanwhile, because africa:
Famine, plague, war, or birth control. Choose. I guess you have.
-Malthus.
Too late. Game over.
The West will begin mining the harbors and cratering the airports so
nothing can leave. They will landmine the jungle. Anything that leaves
is sunk or shot. Snipers sans Frontieres. Quarantine with extreme
prejudice.
Civilization is a choice. Make it. Soon.
Or don’t, and the population goes back to the under-billion level
before the West started feeding everyone…
Once materials are autoclaved appropriately for the time, pressure and temperature parameters, the virus will be destroyed and non-infectious. A spill at that point, of treated wastes, will not present a hazard to first responders. Spills of any Regulated Medical Waste (individually regulated at the state and local level, not federally regulated in most cases) require the transporter have a response, spill plan in place.
We are so very underprepared, as with everything with the current regime. (who recently admitted it ‘miscalculated’ the effectiveness of ISIS-really? ). I remember reading “Hot Zone”- I was terrified of the potential of this disease. Right now I’m reading it actually happening. It’s not a matter of “IF” but “WHEN”….open borders, TB in several states, unidentified retro-virus spread throughout the mid-west – just gets better & better. All it takes is one person on the right flight….
I admit this is scary and we are underprepared, but how is that the government’s fault? What about the medical community? Shouldn’t they be the ones raising the flag about this? It appears NO-ONE thought about the issue of disposing of this waste. I get tired of everyone blaming everything on the government. There’s too much government. There’s not enough government. We don’t want them regulating us. But where are they when something like this happens? If everyone truly wants smaller government then quit whining when they don’t “take care of us.”
I think it just points to the fact that there is more risk with EBOLA than the Government/CDC/etc want to admit. So, even though they say it can be contained, they have not taken into account all that needs to be done.
So why bring Ebola patients to the US, to then find out the disposal of “waste” wasn’t factored in?
Plus we keep getting told it’s containable, but in the same breathe they don’t know how someone got it.
Treat it at the source until we know more. If doctors, who are trained in all the techniques, etc to prevent it, are getting it, well, that says a lot.
This isn’t the first outbreak of Ebola. Another happened in 1976, but was more closely contained. From what I’ve read Ebola is spread through contact with bodily fluids (blood, vomit, sweat.) If you are protected with mask, goggles, gown, and gloves you have an excellent chance of not contracting it. The problem in Africa has been that not all healthcare workers have access to this level of protection. The problem in the U.S. is safely disposing of the protective gear. I think we’re smart enough to figure it out.
there have been repeated outbreaks in Africa, in very specific locations. the problems associated with containing patient wastes can be dealt with in the USA, with autoclave treatment, appropriate disinfectants, and other measures not readily accessible in Africa, sadly
September 29, 2014 at 4:26 pm
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why don’t they for the time being restrict it to let 1 hospital care for these people, and let them perfect the treatment and side affects. yikes its only going to be a matter of time before it gets out into the population–if infections can be so easily gotten in a hospital, anything else is next. and once ebola gets out, we are all SOL.
We should be prepared for undiagnosed incidents, but recent patients have been brought back for treatment after they have been diagnosed as being infected. My question is why take that risk and not treat them there?
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If you had ebola over there, wouldn’t you want to come home for treatment? I’m sure your family would want to you here. They did and there was no breakout here.
October 1, 2014 at 11:21 am
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Yes, I would rather come home and be with my family. However, I would also know the risk and wouldn’t want to bring it back to potentially infect my family. In this day and age, delivering the necessary equipment for treatment to pretty much anywhere is entirely possible and communicating via video chat would have to suffice to connect with those back home.
September 30, 2014 at 8:32 pm
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That was a pointless risk to take, they knew the dangers when they volunteer that’s why they are hero’s they know the danger and go anyway same token that means you shoulder the risk not everyone else ( I would have refused to come home wouldn’t be fair to put my family at risk for my actions)
Really? You’d refuse to come home? I highly doubt it but I guess we’ll never know.
September 29, 2014 at 2:26 pm
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Every rule needs to be broken, every once in a while, when the situation dictates.
Seems like we need to reactivate the old incinerators way down in the basement. Cook them little critters just like Grandpa used to do.
Why isn’t this waste treated the same as the rest of the hazardous waste created by hospitals? This isn’t the only communicable disease handled by hospitals. There are already procedures in place to deal with AIDS and Hep C contaminated materials.
AIDS and Hep C are not communicable like Ebola is. Those two are blood borne, ebola is not. Ebola has so many vectors of contraction they can’t even be compared to HIV or Hep C. I do believe the Department of Transportation has it correct in a few ways due to the nature of Ebola. I would add a few more steps though. Armed escorts for the trucks transporting the waste. One end destination with immediate destruction at very high temperatures of the waste. Then take the wheels off the truck and expose it to high levels of heat as well. From hospital to destruction no one should take their eyes off the stuff as it is a huge threat biologically and to allow it to be spread further via a biological attack using the stuff would be catastrophic. The CDC is only thinking about their little corner of the situation you have to think about the bigger picture. Forget pressure cooker bombs, a widespread biological distribution of this stuff across things people use every day would decimate our country and we wouldn’t even know it for over a week. We wouldn’t even be having this conversation because there would not be enough hospital beds nor enough doctors, nurses, and medical supplies to stem the tide.
AIDS is communicable just like Ebola — both are blood borne neither is air borne. Ebola does have a very high mortality rate, just as AIDS had a very high mortality rate when it was first discovered. There was very similar panic back in the 80s. This isn’t anthrax and there is no need to over-hype the danger to the public. The Americans who have contracted this disease weren’t casually exposed. People are dying by the hundreds in Africa, because of a lack of medical care and good hygiene. Thousands died of AIDS before the medical community got a handle on it. Even more die each year from malaria. The sky is not falling.
It’s interesting that you got 10 thumbs-down for the sky is not falling. I would have thought that would be good news! Seems some people actually WANT the sky to fall. Sad.
Daisy, as Concerned said above, it’s true that HIV and Ebola are blood borne, but Ebola can be transmitted in many more ways than just blood. Contact with any bodily fluid can transmit it. This means urine, vomit, saliva, sweat, and possibly a sneeze. The infected man in Dallas helped carry an ill woman by her legs and contracted the virus. Maybe she had fluids on her, maybe just sweat, we don’t know. I’m not saying that the sky is falling, just that Ebola appears to be much more easily transmitted than HIV; and if it’s mutating rapidly that could change the picture too.
What a bunch of stupid people some are…….no common sense at all. Mankind would’ve perished from this earth if the past gene pool was as shallow as it is now.
Libby, you’re stuck on stupid with your double standards. Too dumb to discuss anything with your preconceived notions and callous regard for the truth.
You’re a broken record going ’round and ’round…….
You are downright scary.
When a truck of this autoclaved waste spills and a week later some firemen get ebola, you will see some serious reaction.
Meanwhile, because africa:
Famine, plague, war, or birth control. Choose. I guess you have.
-Malthus.
Too late. Game over.
The West will begin mining the harbors and cratering the airports so
nothing can leave. They will landmine the jungle. Anything that leaves
is sunk or shot. Snipers sans Frontieres. Quarantine with extreme
prejudice.
Civilization is a choice. Make it. Soon.
Or don’t, and the population goes back to the under-billion level
before the West started feeding everyone…
Huh? Think you could string a coherent sentence together Major?
Once materials are autoclaved appropriately for the time, pressure and temperature parameters, the virus will be destroyed and non-infectious. A spill at that point, of treated wastes, will not present a hazard to first responders. Spills of any Regulated Medical Waste (individually regulated at the state and local level, not federally regulated in most cases) require the transporter have a response, spill plan in place.
40 bags/day for what? 2 people? That Dr. & Nurse, or were there more?
And, Wow…plastic trash cans from Home Depot? Well, if that’s sufficient, what’s all the fuss about?
If they were made in China, well, you know the rest…
We are so very underprepared, as with everything with the current regime. (who recently admitted it ‘miscalculated’ the effectiveness of ISIS-really? ). I remember reading “Hot Zone”- I was terrified of the potential of this disease. Right now I’m reading it actually happening. It’s not a matter of “IF” but “WHEN”….open borders, TB in several states, unidentified retro-virus spread throughout the mid-west – just gets better & better. All it takes is one person on the right flight….
I admit this is scary and we are underprepared, but how is that the government’s fault? What about the medical community? Shouldn’t they be the ones raising the flag about this? It appears NO-ONE thought about the issue of disposing of this waste. I get tired of everyone blaming everything on the government. There’s too much government. There’s not enough government. We don’t want them regulating us. But where are they when something like this happens? If everyone truly wants smaller government then quit whining when they don’t “take care of us.”
I think it just points to the fact that there is more risk with EBOLA than the Government/CDC/etc want to admit. So, even though they say it can be contained, they have not taken into account all that needs to be done.
So why bring Ebola patients to the US, to then find out the disposal of “waste” wasn’t factored in?
Plus we keep getting told it’s containable, but in the same breathe they don’t know how someone got it.
Treat it at the source until we know more. If doctors, who are trained in all the techniques, etc to prevent it, are getting it, well, that says a lot.
This isn’t the first outbreak of Ebola. Another happened in 1976, but was more closely contained. From what I’ve read Ebola is spread through contact with bodily fluids (blood, vomit, sweat.) If you are protected with mask, goggles, gown, and gloves you have an excellent chance of not contracting it. The problem in Africa has been that not all healthcare workers have access to this level of protection. The problem in the U.S. is safely disposing of the protective gear. I think we’re smart enough to figure it out.
there have been repeated outbreaks in Africa, in very specific locations. the problems associated with containing patient wastes can be dealt with in the USA, with autoclave treatment, appropriate disinfectants, and other measures not readily accessible in Africa, sadly
why don’t they for the time being restrict it to let 1 hospital care for these people, and let them perfect the treatment and side affects. yikes its only going to be a matter of time before it gets out into the population–if infections can be so easily gotten in a hospital, anything else is next. and once ebola gets out, we are all SOL.
Why don’t they just set up a proper medical facility on the source continent rather than risk a release here?
They have, but you may not develop symptoms until you’re already back home 2 weeks later. We should be prepared should an outbreak occur here.
http://popularmilitary.com/airmen-deliver-ebola-treatment-facility-west-africa/
We should be prepared for undiagnosed incidents, but recent patients have been brought back for treatment after they have been diagnosed as being infected. My question is why take that risk and not treat them there?
If you had ebola over there, wouldn’t you want to come home for treatment? I’m sure your family would want to you here. They did and there was no breakout here.
Yes, I would rather come home and be with my family. However, I would also know the risk and wouldn’t want to bring it back to potentially infect my family. In this day and age, delivering the necessary equipment for treatment to pretty much anywhere is entirely possible and communicating via video chat would have to suffice to connect with those back home.
That was a pointless risk to take, they knew the dangers when they volunteer that’s why they are hero’s they know the danger and go anyway same token that means you shoulder the risk not everyone else ( I would have refused to come home wouldn’t be fair to put my family at risk for my actions)
Really? You’d refuse to come home? I highly doubt it but I guess we’ll never know.
Every rule needs to be broken, every once in a while, when the situation dictates.
Seems like we need to reactivate the old incinerators way down in the basement. Cook them little critters just like Grandpa used to do.
Why isn’t this waste treated the same as the rest of the hazardous waste created by hospitals? This isn’t the only communicable disease handled by hospitals. There are already procedures in place to deal with AIDS and Hep C contaminated materials.
AIDS and Hep C are not communicable like Ebola is. Those two are blood borne, ebola is not. Ebola has so many vectors of contraction they can’t even be compared to HIV or Hep C. I do believe the Department of Transportation has it correct in a few ways due to the nature of Ebola. I would add a few more steps though. Armed escorts for the trucks transporting the waste. One end destination with immediate destruction at very high temperatures of the waste. Then take the wheels off the truck and expose it to high levels of heat as well. From hospital to destruction no one should take their eyes off the stuff as it is a huge threat biologically and to allow it to be spread further via a biological attack using the stuff would be catastrophic. The CDC is only thinking about their little corner of the situation you have to think about the bigger picture. Forget pressure cooker bombs, a widespread biological distribution of this stuff across things people use every day would decimate our country and we wouldn’t even know it for over a week. We wouldn’t even be having this conversation because there would not be enough hospital beds nor enough doctors, nurses, and medical supplies to stem the tide.
AIDS is communicable just like Ebola — both are blood borne neither is air borne. Ebola does have a very high mortality rate, just as AIDS had a very high mortality rate when it was first discovered. There was very similar panic back in the 80s. This isn’t anthrax and there is no need to over-hype the danger to the public. The Americans who have contracted this disease weren’t casually exposed. People are dying by the hundreds in Africa, because of a lack of medical care and good hygiene. Thousands died of AIDS before the medical community got a handle on it. Even more die each year from malaria. The sky is not falling.
It’s interesting that you got 10 thumbs-down for the sky is not falling. I would have thought that would be good news! Seems some people actually WANT the sky to fall. Sad.
Daisy, as Concerned said above, it’s true that HIV and Ebola are blood borne, but Ebola can be transmitted in many more ways than just blood. Contact with any bodily fluid can transmit it. This means urine, vomit, saliva, sweat, and possibly a sneeze. The infected man in Dallas helped carry an ill woman by her legs and contracted the virus. Maybe she had fluids on her, maybe just sweat, we don’t know. I’m not saying that the sky is falling, just that Ebola appears to be much more easily transmitted than HIV; and if it’s mutating rapidly that could change the picture too.
Democrats and Republicans are promoting ISIS across MSNBC, CNN, and FOX.
Don’t Fall for the Mainstream Media Fear Campaign. Wake Up!
Why is the media trying to frighten us?
They have nothing else to do other than sensationalize everything. What ever happened to just reporting facts? I know, too boring.
I know. I miss Walter Cronkite.
Wow. Lots of Cronkite haters out there.
Who gets to pay for the hospital bill?
WTF? That’s all your concerned about? Get a life!
What a bunch of stupid people some are…….no common sense at all. Mankind would’ve perished from this earth if the past gene pool was as shallow as it is now.
Libby, you’re stuck on stupid with your double standards. Too dumb to discuss anything with your preconceived notions and callous regard for the truth.
You’re a broken record going ’round and ’round…….
You are downright scary.
Realist – you’re a fear-mongering ignoramus who researches nothing before opening your piehole. Read a book for God’s sake!