For those that liked this comment, do you realize that DR just “slammed” you?
Personally, I think the majority of the IJ comment board are far more intelligent than to believe the earth is flat. Some of their other opinions, however..???
Integrity, Libby has stated many times that Obama has been honest and forthright with the country. Events of the past 6 years seem to refute that, don’t you think?
December 4, 2014 at 9:01 am
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ABSOLUTELY!!
December 4, 2014 at 9:34 am
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I think I stated it once 3 years ago…
December 2, 2014 at 4:12 pm
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A poll (and a challenge!) for IJ posters:
Reply to this comment with “Yes” if you believe the climate is changing
Reply to this comment with “No” if you don’t believe the climate is changing
Do not reply to this post with any other comments (such as “Is it man-influenced climate change? Can the scientists be trusted? Boo to the Republicans. Boo to the Democrats. Boo to the other posters and now let’s insult each other.”) Start a new comment for any of that stuff, please.
Just wondering what the ratio is for IJ posters who do and do not believe the climate is changing.
Man, we can’t even get two comments before the challenge fails (replying with a simple yes or no, without adding additional comments or insults). That’s sad.
That’s “funny” Agent – by commenting and calling Stan a troll, you too can’t follow instructions :P
December 3, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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Rosenblatt, weren’t you the one complaining about Stan’s insult to me? I don’t let him get away with insulting me, sorry.
December 3, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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“I don’t let him get away with insulting me, sorry.” That’s your prerogative, Agent – but it’s also something I find disturbing about the majority of people who comment on this site — very few will try to take the high road, let an insult slide by, and try to continue to discuss rather than argue.
I’m not saying either of you is right or wrong (who fired first? does it matter? who fired last? does it matter who posted the most inappropriate insult of them all?) just that it took 2 posts (one of them mine) to see the first person throw out an insult in a “yes/no” only question and 2 more posts for the next person to throw back a retaliatory insult.
3 people besides me answered so far – two of them couldn’t even give a “yes” or “no” to a simple non-partisan and non-inflammatory question. I find it unlikely that any useful dialogue will actually happen here if we can’t even get 3 people to write either just a “yes” or a “no” without insults being hurled around.
December 3, 2014 at 4:02 pm
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Rosenblatt, if you had been insulted as many times as I have on this forum, had your moniker stolen to post trash, been a victim of ID theft, you would get tired of it as well. I was prepared to give my one word response to you without further comment. How about calling out Stan instead of criticizing me for a change? All you had to do was tell him to knock it off.
December 3, 2014 at 4:18 pm
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Agent – Quit whining. You give as good as you get on IJ. You are incapable of a one word response and always have to get your snide comments in at the end of any post. I’ve told you that’s the reason you don’t get many thumbs up from me. I’ll start out agreeing with you and then you get nasty at the end and I have to thumb you down. Childish behavior.
December 3, 2014 at 4:32 pm
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Agent, unfortunately, they do not get it. It’s like hockey, the first one to throw the punch doesn’t get the penalty. The second one in does.
Rosenblatt..I’ll try another simple question/poll to see if anyone can answer yes or no.
Should the protests about the Ferguson situation continue even though there was undisputable evidence that the cop was justified to shoot the victim? My response…NO.
December 3, 2014 at 4:32 pm
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“How about calling out Stan instead of criticizing me for a change?”
But – I already did what you’re asking me to do!
Directly underneath his post I wrote “Man, we can’t even get two comments before the challenge fails (replying with a simple yes or no, without adding additional comments or insults). That’s sad.”
I have been insulted here many times Agent, don’t you worry! Although you’re right – I have no idea what I’d do if someone on this site stole my identity. Okay, that’s not true. I’d do the exact same thing to them that I’d do to whomever stole my identity, but I’m now thinking “ID Theft” was your reference to someone posting with your name and not that someone here has illegally committed actual ID Theft against you.
Either way, I called out the person who posted the first insult and I called out the second person who insulted the first guy back. I don’t think I can be any more fair.
December 3, 2014 at 4:34 pm
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@integrity matters
yes
December 3, 2014 at 4:53 pm
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Yes.
December 3, 2014 at 4:55 pm
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Agent thinks because someone figured out his true identity that constitutes identity theft. He’s a little slow on the uptake. There’s no theft going on here, Agent. You have been “identified.” That’s all.
December 3, 2014 at 5:22 pm
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Agent, Rosenblatt is right. I accept your apology. I am glad that you learned your lesson.
December 4, 2014 at 9:36 am
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I meant to say “no”.
December 3, 2014 at 6:02 pm
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Call him out by name Rosenblatt. He is disgraceful.
Agent, I now withdraw my apology because of your silliness. I don’t care how sorry you are, youre still an idiot to me.
December 4, 2014 at 8:11 am
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Seriously, Agent? First you get upset that I didn’t call him out – which I clearly did – and now (instead of you actually acknowledging that I had called him out) you say I need to call him out BY NAME. Geez. When I wrote “that’s sad” and only 1 person besides me had replied, I’m pretty sure everyone knew I wasn’t referencing myself. So I didn’t use his actual name. Big deal. I clearly called him out. Your “call him out by his name” post is pretty petty IMO.
December 4, 2014 at 9:35 am
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That’s Agent’s middle name.
December 4, 2014 at 11:20 am
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Agent, have you given any thought towards moving to Utah? That’s the reddest state in the Union. Plus, there is plenty of space, so you can run your mouth without worrying about facts or rationality or really even intelligence.
Stop ruining Texas.
December 3, 2014 at 10:27 am
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Yes. This is not a liberal vs conservative debate until we have separate planets available for both.
BTW, Rosenblatt–your posts are extremely well-written, thought- provoking, and respectful, regardless of whether I agree with all of them. It’s obvious to me that you have done your homework on the issues. We need more posters on here to follow your example and make their points while keeping things civil. Take care and God bless.
Rosenblatt, I guess you weren’t around when the ID theft was perpetrated by the notorious boogereater and broadcast all over the forum and added to by Libby and Ins102, threatening, bullying to their hearts content. I am not a good enough geek to steal the identity of someone. I will leave that to the leftist trolls, but it has no place on an anonymous forum. These people should all announce their names, emails etc so we can see who they are and see how they like it to have their identity stolen and broadcast and made fun of.
Agent – so your identity was revealed, not stolen. I was there for that and got confused now since you wrote that someone actually stole your identity.
There’s a huge difference between the two. Please try to use the words that accurately describe the situation rather than phrases which don’t.
Identity theft = crime. Revealing someone’s identity on an anonymous commenting system = legal.
I’m not saying what was done to you was right or wrong, just that it’s not identity theft like you think.
Rosenblatt, If you don’t know the difference between right and wrong, what does that say about you? We already know that Libby, Boogereater, Stan and Ins102 do not know right from wrong based on their comments. I thought you might be a little different. This is supposed to be an anonymous forum and insulting, mocking my name and reputation should be completely off limits.
December 4, 2014 at 11:06 am
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If insulting is off limits Agent, then you are definitely banned for life. And nobody was mocking your name or reputation. Just your drivel.
December 4, 2014 at 11:10 am
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Agent – that’s a big reading comprehension failure you just made, and that’s not the first time I’ve had to re-explain to you what I actually wrote as you read way more into the comment than what was actually written.
I decided NOT to say if I think it was right or wrong, which is totally different than me saying I don’t actually know if it was right or wrong.
Just like when you said I needed to call out Stan (and subsequently call him out by name when I said I already called him out), I’m getting very tired of re-posting what I already wrote and having to explain to you that my words are being selected carefully to express myself clearly, rather than me selecting words with a hidden meaning for people to try and figure out.
Please take my words at face value and READ THEM – please do NOT take my words and try to READ INTO them for a deeper meaning. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.
December 4, 2014 at 11:24 am
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Agent, I take offense. You dont have a good name to insult. I am 100% insulting your bad name.
Be worse, I dont think you can.
December 4, 2014 at 9:38 am
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Are you ashamed to have your identity revealed, Agent? I would be if I were you.
Libby, you are the one who should be ashamed at participating with Booger. How about giving us your real name, location, email address so we can see how you like it?
December 4, 2014 at 11:07 am
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I’m not dumb enough to post on every quack website with my picture so that others can identify me, Agent. Only you are. You got caught. Big deal. Put on your big boy pants and get over it. Nobody on here really cares about you in the least.
December 4, 2014 at 11:36 am
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Agent, no kidding, I would be way more worried about the outside world reading the things that YOU wrote, not the things we wrote about you.
This might shock you, but slack-jawed ignorant yokels like you are literally the laughing stock of the entire nation. Keep talking, buddy. You’re your own worst enemy, bro.
December 4, 2014 at 12:55 pm
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Libby, you and your running mate Stan that you are trying to get a job for are morally deficient and dishonest. Trying to get him a job at your old employer in Denver that cut you loose? He wouldn’t last a month in insurance sales. The owner would quickly realize he made a big mistake and put him on the unemployment line.
December 4, 2014 at 1:06 pm
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Agent, I have decided to move to Texas. You have convinced me.
Any state that harbors as many dumb people like you must be rife with opportunity for fleecing. I cannot wait to get rich off the backs of Redblooded morons like yourself. I think ill start a company, call it “Freedom, Inc.” and ill sell american flags and Obama voodoo dolls.
Want to buy one? Do your part.
December 4, 2014 at 1:31 pm
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There’s nothing dishonest or morally deficient about me. Quit your sniveling or I’ll re-post all of your “secret” information.
December 3, 2014 at 1:36 pm
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Sure the climate is changing- it always has since the beginning of time. And guess what: it always will, regardless of what the human race does or doesn’t do.
Hi Libby–I am not saying that climate change doesn’t exist. I just don’t believe that although mankind may be contributing slightly to it, there are other reasons for it to be happening. There are volcanos around the entire planet that emit gasses every day, etc. I just don’t believe that we create so much emissions that that is what is causing the climate to change. It is and will always be a never ending process of the earth and our atmosphere.
In the US, the science of climate change is subject to “belief”? And this feeds into policy? Should we run similar polls to see how many people believe the Earth is flat?
Yes, the climate is changing and man is to blame. The Earth is going through it’s cycles too though.
Here is a very interesting link as to why elephants can save the forests in Africa and how the people there are briging the grasslands back into existence.
Libby, I hope you’re able to open this. I think you have the same passion for elephants as I do. It’s such a tragedy that 40K elephants lost their lives over a theory that was completely wrong. My heart breaks when I think of all the culling that was done in the 80s. Horrible, just horrible.
Thanks for weighing in, Jenny, the climate-change denier. Like I really care about your opinion. Better back up a few paces. You might fall off the edge of the earth. Moron.
You are right Jenny. She usually reserves her venom to me and any other Conservative blogger. She likes the other hateful, misinformed Progressives and never calls them down for their ugly rants.
Nope. They’re not ugly rants to me. Unlike you, they make a whole lot of sense.
December 4, 2014 at 12:24 pm
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Now now Agent, I thought that you Texans were tough? All I hear you do now is complain about tone! Those big bad ugly progressives are just so mean! Hurting you conservatives feelings all day long with facts and data!
Boo hoo, you big pansy. Be a man just one time.
December 4, 2014 at 3:36 pm
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Stan, I really hope that you and Bob get together up there in Washington State and do a little arm wrestling. He could tear your arm right off wimp.
December 4, 2014 at 3:40 pm
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How do you know, Agent? Have you seen a picture of Bob or do you just take everything he spouts as gospel? You sure are gullible. And there’s nothing wimpier than a grown man snivelling because someone insulted him on a blog. You’ve got NO room to call anyone else a wimp.
December 4, 2014 at 3:45 pm
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Agent, Bob is a simpleton who deserves less credibility than even you since he’s off spouting about weight lifting on an anonymous internet forum. Grow up, bro.
That being said, Bob, if you’re listening, I would trounce you since youre lazy and dont know your ass from your elbow despite a two-point mind. Tool.
December 4, 2014 at 5:18 pm
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@Libby – You are calling Agent gullible??!!?? You who blindly follow the Liar in Chief? Do you even know what it means??
Anyone who could have believed that Obamacare was going to be a good thing/believed that premiums were going to go down after adding millions of previously uninsured people who were going to get subsidized…needs a reality check because they are the ones who were gullible.
Just like poor Mr. Brown, the “teenager” that was bigger than an NFL linebacker, who resisted arrest after robbing a store. You idiots still think it wasn’t his fault that he was killed. You idiots need to learn a little about accepting responsibility for your actions. Something your leader Obama has not learned yet because he dodges every scandal and throws others under the bus. Take off your rose colored glasses.
December 5, 2014 at 9:22 am
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Oh, I’m not worried about it, there’s a hater everywhere you go. Thanks Agent.
December 5, 2014 at 3:30 pm
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I’m sure there’s a hater everywhere YOU go. For me? Not so much.
December 9, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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I suppose by these logics we shouldn’t trust half the things Libby says correct?
As for you Stan, you’re a funny guy. Why don’t you stop by the gym I go to, if you really live in WA? You shoot off your mouth quite a bit. I defended my physique after you called me lazy physically and mentally. I am not lazy, and I do more than you in every way. This isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact. Most days after I get home, I have no time to do practically anything, while you play your xbox. I’m not one to run my mouth if I don’t have the full ability to take someone out, if you live in WA let’s go workout together some time. I’ll give you a challenge: Lift half the weight total that I do on all the lifts, and I’ll post something of your choice on here to humiliate myself.
Dumb bell curls: 60’s for 3 65 for 1
Straight bar Curls: 110 for 6 2 for 125.
Deadlift: 495
Squat: 455
Over head Dumb bell military: 100’s
Incline dumb bells: 120 for 4, there are no 125’s just 130 which I can’t lift yet.
Dumb bell flat: 120 for 4
Skull Crushers: 165 for my 1 rep max. Yes. That is 2 45 plates and a 25 on each side with a 25lb bar going over my head. I would be shocked if you could even do 90lbs given what I see in the gym.
Over head dumb bell tricep: Not even sure what my max is here. 80’s for 6 isn’t hard. I’ve also done 100 for about 5.
Leg Press laid back on the ground: Not sure what my max is here. I’ve had 9 plates on each side, actually going down to my chest. That is 810 lbs. This isn’t a muscle building lift though, it’s just for variance. The squat is a better builder, as well as deadlift. I rarely use machines to gain strength.
Shoulder shrugs: 455 for 5. I would be shocked if you could do 2 and a half plates, which is 275.
Calling me lazy when you have never met me is a mistake. Do my numbers and my routine stick out in my lifts yet, to show I have quite the workout routine? You are such a child.
Agent is correct Libby. I could tear his arm off, and proceed to beat him with it.
December 9, 2014 at 12:39 pm
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And something you should know:
These are my numbers as I have started to age.
My old squat was nearly 600 lbs. I wish we could have met 6 years ago.
December 9, 2014 at 5:30 pm
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Bob, you’re a lazy liar. No way can you do half of what you post. Go pound methadology sand, weakling. Youre just an internet tough guy making up lifts online. “SkullCrusher” lol.
December 11, 2014 at 5:52 pm
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I can do every weight I just listed.
Meet me at the gym.
I am not lazy and you have no reason to believe that I am.
This is old kid. Very old.
There is a reason I said you can’t do half my lifts, I know what “normal” lifters are in the gym, and they lift half what I do.
Just the other day I took a 45lbs wheel (that’s what us old guys call a 45lbs weight you put on the barbells in the gym) and did a negative shoulder routine. In other words, 10 reps, then held the weight straight out from my body, with my shoulders holding it up for upwards of 20 seconds.
A guy basically was so flabbergasted by it, because most people would consider no one can just hold that weight up, he proceeded to ask me for tips.
Every number I just listed I can do. They aren’t just made up, you will find they all fall in line with a power lifter of my weight. I’m an ex power lifter turned body builder, so I don’t kill myself from the weights.
By the by: The secondary squat machine in the gym which is not a leg press I put 1000 lbs on the machine to train up my squat to 600 lbs in the past. I probably can still do almost 900 on that machine.
You’re just a brat who doesn’t know how to lift first off, and second off, how to actually use your brain.
If you did graduate, it’s no wonder an indoctrinated mind like yours can’t find a job. You can’t think for yourself.
December 11, 2014 at 5:56 pm
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I would really love to see the look on your face with both of us at the gym.
It’s an all too familiar look. Something worth noting:
The weights I put are even more unbelievable due to my weight.
No one lifts what I do and I’m proud of it, other than the body building team at my gym. They already once made the mistake of thinking I was irrelevant.
I then proceeded to change my routine to match theirs, and now every single chest day and deadlift day I make a point of showing the guy who was rude that I out lift him for my weight class in every single lift except the squat. I’m careful on that one now so I don’t get a serious injury, whereas he still lifts 600 which is quite impressive.
I’m guessing you are a troll. I don’t make up routines.
I have a five day split to maximize my potential.
It is bad to do an extension twice in a row, it limits gains, same with pulls. Legs need to be as far apart as possible to ensure the maximum strength and size gains.
So my days are:
Mon – Off
Tues – Just Chest movements. Flat barbell, incline barbell, decline barbell, and machine fly, This day is short intentionally for a few reasons. It’s to build more muscle for the chest, rather than breaking down muscle with a lengthy workout. It also ensures I can still do a mass movement in a workout and due to the rest of the workout placement with extensions and pulls, it has to be this way to ensure I have a 5th day that still gains muscle and does not impede muscle development for the next day. It also ensures that every day starts with a mass movement. Curls don’t build much strength alone for example. You need to start with a mass movement. For this day, each of the chest routines are all mass builders, and it’s a short day. Which makes it enhanced.
Wednesday: Deadlift (mass movement), back, abs routine. Dumb bell rows, bent over barbell rows, wide arm and narrow grip pull ups, followed by machine pulls of the same for variance. All these are pulls. I throw in lower ab raises because the dead lift actually uses those abs for stabilization, and this increases the gains in the abs. This may sound like a short workout but again, I am emphasizing mass gains.
Thursday: Off.
Friday: Chest dumb bell and biceps. Chest Incline dumb bell, chest flat dumb bell, chest incline fly, and chest flat fly, super set with a bicep routine for each. So for example: I super set chest incline with hammer curls, then I super set chest flat with twists, I intentionally do dumb bells for both chest and bicep this day. Remember my other chest day with just barbell? Barbells build more mass. I don’t want to inhibit my progress by putting barbell and dumb bell together, and furthermore, doing this ensures I have a building day, and then a day which is more oriented to shaping. I also put forearms in here. I do dumb bell for this too, one is leaning over a bench with my hands just over, and pulling my hand up toward my body, the other is standing with my hands to the sides pulling the weight upward with just my forearms, not biceps. I throw in negative dumb bell movements. In this case, I bend down, and stand up to get the weight up, and then I release it slowly with a weight I cannot pull up with my biceps to build the negative muscle, I do this for 4 reps. That’s all I need. It will likely get my bicep curls to 70 soon. I then throw in a dumb bell between my legs at 60lbs, and do weighted dips for decline chest shaping movements. It widens my chest where it connects to the sides by my back. It gives a more full look to the bottom of the chest.
Saturday: Squats. For this I need to make sure I don’t overdo the legs so growth goes well, this also keeps it far away from the dead lift. But it also separates the previous extension and pulls from the next day’s extension and pulls. I do a standard squat, up to 455 pyramid style and super set abs (used in the squat, much like the deadlift it is the negative muscle used for the squat) and calf raises. I use 3 45lbs plates, and a 25lbs to make sure I hit more in tune with 8 reps. Then I go to the leg press, super set with lunges. I used to do 80lbs, but right now I’m hitting 60lbs each arm to hit more reps. I then go to leg extensions, and hamstring curl machine.
Sunday: Tricep / Bicep / Shoulder day. I start with the shoulder shrug (mass movement) super set with a military press barbell, 45lbs and a 10 on each side. Then I super set skull crushers, 145lbs up to my max, with a barbell straight bar curl. I use the “easy bar” (nick name for the curved bars) for a bicep forearm curl, kind of like a jerk and I super set this with a dumb bell shoulder routine of 60 lbs. I alternate days here. One week I will use the straight bar on lower weight, one day the dumb bell. In other words, 100lb dumb bell shoulder press on days where it takes lead, 60 lbs when I do it after the barbell military press. The forearm has two purposes, one the forearm, but it also works the inner section of the bicep as well to shape it, rather than the negative dumb bell which shapes the alternate side. I super set forward and rear laterals. This I do 40 and 25lbs respectively. I throw in a secondary tricep, either bent over and extending my tricep with 40lbs behind my back, or with an overhead dumb bell, 80lbs for 6 up to 100 lbs for 5. I then throw in the shoulder raises with the 45 lbs wheel. So I’m doing 3 sets at any time. I hit cables for the negative form on biceps, and do slow twitch high rep slow movement curls. You have probably seen this movement. It is where the two cables you pull look like you are just showing off your biceps, but it’s a good negative routine.
The chest bicep and the shoulder days are the most intensive on the body building. The dead lift, squat, and only chest days are for mass / strength building.
But I bet you don’t know the difference.
All this with an hour of HIIT cardio each day.
I could kick your @$$ and am not lazy. This is an extremely good routine. It makes me outperform all my peers. You should probably take it. Heck, I’ll coach you if you want. This isn’t including all my variations. I could show you a lot.
I’m not all mean, just when I debate politics with people like you.
December 11, 2014 at 6:36 pm
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The best part in that routine I put is that the shoulder day, actually has multiple mass movements to burn more calories. If you make a workout with mass movements short, you will build muscle. If you make them long, you will burn fat, with a mass movement.
The shoulder shrug and the military barbell press are both mass movements. So is the military shoulder dumb bell, but as I said, I make one of the two lighter, in consideration of that.
Do the routine I just put up.
In fact I’ll even give you the variations. Do 3 sets warming up to a weight you cannot handle more than 6 reps, and then do 4 sets of that weight.
Take my routine. See what it does for you at the end of 3 months. I guarantee, if you are working out like I think you are, that you will make huge gains. If you haven’t had a good routine the starting section is always the most effective. I bet you would lose about 20 lbs in 3 months, and would increase all your lifts by about 20-30%.
I know my crap. Boy.
December 11, 2014 at 6:49 pm
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I was seeing sound before,
Now you’re seeing methadology.
Could you please explain what methadology is?
I get to mock you about this and call you stupid right?
And when I see your routine and how horrible it is,
I get to call you lazy and stupid when it comes to the workout right?
It’s all about power and knowledge eh?
Us republican / libertarians don’t make insults just because someone makes a typo, or doesn’t have a good workout routine.
I’m only mocking you because you mocked me for it. And in the hierarchy world of men, (which you should know by now) if you speak ill of another male’s abilities, you best be able to back up yours.
December 11, 2014 at 7:07 pm
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Sorry to post so much Stan,
But another thing:
If you don’t know what a skullcrusher is, and you legitimately have not done them,
There is no way you can be any bit good in the gym. This might be part of why you think I can’t do what I do.
You probably don’t do the primary mass building movements.
I would bet you do mostly what are considered secondary movements, for shaping, but they don’t work on their own.
For example:
Bicep curls, shoulder laterals, dips, crunches, etc.
These are good secondary movements for shaping. But they do next to nothing alone. They add the little slight differences to a good body. They don’t do the primary sculpting.
December 3, 2014 at 11:06 am
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Who cares what the public thinks? They are not scientists. Oh, wait, the coal and oil company elected Congress does not think so, and they are not scientists either.
So Stan, what do you know about being a man? You can’t even take care of yourself and find a job. Your mental maturity is about 8 years old. Aren’t you the one who has been bawling for the past two years that you couldn’t get a job and blaming Conservatives & Republicans for it? Despite about 10 posters on this site giving you helpful hints, you came back to your same bitter theme and obviously didn’t take any of their advice including Libby.
Agent, I have not blamed conservative politicians, I have blamed conservative voters like you. Especially older ones that have taken advantage of cheap housing, education, and healthcare, ruined the environment, and then passed the mess onto us.
Face it, you and your ilk ruined the greatest country on earth and youre too much of a pansy to face up and pay the bill, instead bitching about “liberals” and “lazy millennials” despite the fact that we havent been voting long enough to make a difference nor made any money with which to effect change.
Shut your mouth old man, before someone figures out who you are and stops buying your insurance.
I am certainly not educated enough to know what is or is not causing climate change. I do however feel that if there is even the smallest chance that we are contributing to this then shouldn’t we do all we can to limit our influence on climate changes? Just throwing out my concern and wondering when it becomes about the future and our children and not who is right or wrong on the cause.
Wayne, I am not a scientist either but I do know that the nightly temperatures in inland cities is warmer than the surrounding rural areas. This leads me to think that population, auto emissions, and concrete create & retain more heat. Seems like if this can happen to one geographical area, it could happen to the entire planet over time.
SW, I think the least of our worries is whether it is warmer in cities than in the country. The overall temperatures of the globe have been cooling for the past 15 years despite all the dire warnings of the leftist crowd and their group of disgraced climatologists. We also have 6 billion humans on the planet now and they all take in oxygen and give off carbon dioxide, pollute etc.
Joe, the first big lie was by Al Gore promoting his Global Warming theory. When the earth stopped getting warmer, the new theme is man made climate change. Guess what, we have had Climate Change as long as earth has been here. We had Glaciers growing, receding when man was not even on earth. It is all just cyclical change and man has little to do with it. I wonder why our President went to China and agreed to reduce emissions 25% and China had to do nothing until 2030 and they and India are the biggest polluters on earth. Does that make sense?
I concur with Joe Alto. The climate is changing and always will change. The real question is “why?”. Is it a natural reoccurrence as it has done through time or is it because humans are the cause? while there is alleged science to support both positions, my opinion is that it is a natural occurrence. Anyone remember when the “scientists” said that we were about to enter another ice age?
The problem is that politics will find “evidence” to support their agendas.
We should all be good stewards of the earth’s resources.
What if the climate is changing naturally, the natural cycles are 400 years, and the changes to our rainfall, bodies of water, & waterfront cities will cause us harm. Do we ignore it because the solutions are “political” and the changes are “natural”? I just wonder what other kinds of solutions there would be?
SWFL: Obviously. if there is something we could do about it (limit increased construction, enhanced building codes, etc), we should. If the “political” solution is merely to advance an arbitrary agenda, then “no”. If the climate change is naturally occurring, there is nothing “manmade” that we can do about it.
Think about a hurricane, why don’t we try to explode a bomb in the eye while it is over water and away from the population to try to break it up? Our human solutions cannot alter nature.
integrity, if man made Climate Change had any merit, it should be ongoing all the time instead of cyclical. How do we explain that there were almost no hurricane activity on the East Coast this year or Gulf of Mexico? Those boys at Colorado State were really scratching their heads on that. When they say the Arctic Ice Cap is melting, they don’t pay any attention that it actually increased in size. A better explanation might be that the earth may have shifted on its axis some. Also not man’s fault.
Agent is right. I mean hell, how can we even be sure that summer exists since its cold out now?! Or maybe, just maybe, this is a greater phenomenon than one 365 day rotation around the sun.
Integrity, the idea of exploding bombs into the eye of a hurricane was floated several years ago to try to break them up. The government was afraid it would make them worse so they didn’t try it. Besides, it would probably take a nuke to make any impact on the winds and I don’t think we want to irradiate the planet to get rid of a hurricane.
Hi integrity. There was a great movie made years ago starring Paul Newman by the name of Cool Hand Luke, you may have seen it. One of the greatest lines in it was by the warden of the prison Newman was in. He had just been caught trying to escape and the warden said was “What we have here is a failure to communicate”. He then put Newman in solitary for a long time to get his mind right.
We seem to have the same problem on this forum. I speak for the Conservative position and they speak for Progressivism and we obviously don’t see eye to eye on much on any subject on this forum. They seem to be especially negative and insulting since they lost the mid terms so badly and have made every excuse they can think of on why the Obama minions lost so badly. One of the favorite excuses was that their side didn’t get out and vote. They didn’t consider that the country as a whole is tired of Progressive politics and Obama in particular so why vote? They say that they will be back in 16 so we should beware when Hillary shows up. Not so much! In Georgetown a few days ago before an auditorium that was less than half full, she made yet another blunder. She said we should be more respectful of our enemies and empathize with their position???? I kept seeing those black hooded ISIS guys cutting the head of Americans. We should make nice with guys that are trying to kill us? I hope the Republican candidate plays that tape over and over along with her recent statement that businesses don’t create jobs. I think that mini stroke has impaired her brain.
Hi Agent. Cool Hand Luke was a classic and I’ve used that line many times (sometimes on my kids!).
I agree with your statements above. If you recall, Obama said similar crap prior to ’08 about negotiating with Iran’s “I’manutjob”.
Honestly, it perplexes me to how blind the progressives are to Obama and company’s lawlessness. I’ve run out of fingers and toes to count the scandals. He is an example of how not to accept responsibility for one’s own actions. This is playing itself out on the streets of Feguson, NY and elsewhere around the country. It is always someone else’s fault. Very sad.
I hope and pray we can get some real leaders for this country. Boehner and McConnell are not real leaders and need to be removed from their positions. We need someone that will stand for the Constitution first and their personal agenda second.
Merry Christmas and/or Happy Hannukah to all. Whichever may apply. If you are a non-believer, enjoy your December and time off. Be safe everyone.
Stan, I only received one degree, but I am a lot smarter than you are. You got three and can’t even find a job even though you tout Obama as creating millions of them.
The scientific hypothesis of the 1990’s was that man-made global warming was being caused by the use of fossil fuels generating significant CO2, a known greenhouse gas, resulting in the warming of the planet.
Over the past 20 years, CO2 levels have continued to increase and contrary to what, according to science, should have happened, the climate stopped warming; disproving the hypothesis.
Is the climate changing? Probably, but it always has and there is no scientific study that can determine what exactly is the best climate for the Earth. For the continued survival of the human species on the other hand, there is only a rather small window of acceptable climate. Can human activity have an effect on climate? I don’t know, probably not.
In the 4 billion plus year history of the Earth, man has been on it for an incredibly short time, even the dinosaurs had more than 4 times the history we have had thus far and a small rock wiped them out. With that small window of climate where we survive and the probability that the climate is changing, I hope we can have some say in planetary climate…before another rock comes along and ends our time here.
“Is the climate changing? Probably, but it always has” Exactly, Wayne! That’s why I tried to take a poll of IJ posters who do and do not believe the climate is changing (for whatever reason(s).)
If we are all being honest, how could anyone say the climate is NOT changing? We can get into why/how and all the other important questions after…but those are pointless if folks here sincerely believe that the earth’s climate is and will continue to stay the same.
Wayne, man cannot prevent another asteroid or comet from hitting the earth and wiping out most life on it. Our leftist friends say man is causing climate change and some say we need to buy carbon credits on the exchange so Gore can get richer. What a hoax they are trying to put over on the people. It ranks right up there with Obamacare lies.
The most telling comment is: “… but it when it comes to the question ‘What is a concern to you?’ climate change ranks in a lower place,” Rauch said. In other words, BIG YAWN, especially when you consider the overall Earth temperature hasn’t warmed in 15 years.
This is taken from the climate.gov website. When the climate stopped changing on a yearly basis 15-20 years ago, Global Warming was changed to mean the overall average climate over a period of a century or longer. I think this is some of the issue people don’t understand when debating. Our own Govt. agrees the climate has not increased in nearly two decades, but it did rise suddenly in the 60’s & 70’s. Why? Why did it start and why did it stop?
I am no scientist, but considering the other planets in our little galaxy are warming as well (you can find this on NASA’s website), it seems to be a natural cycle of some kind, that or the Martians are all using solar energy. :)
The other thing people don’t seem to understand is the history of glabal warming. From reviewing the link above, there is no doubt the average global temps have increased since the early 1900’s. That being said, why were they increasing before gasoline fueled engines? Why were the ice caps retreating before the industrial revoloution? We do know this has happened before, it’s the “why” we don’t know or understand. Everything to date has been speculation and there are just as many non-believers in global warming as their are believers. 8 in 10 may agree the global temps are increasing, but it doesn’t mean that 8 in 10 believe it is a man-made issue.
I think it’s quite possible the people living in the middle of the earth may have just turned up their furnace, or maybe they are burning more wood for some reason. We’ll find out why they went underground when the Rover on Mars finds the direct link between our two worlds, provided it doesn’t fall off the edge of the planet first. :)
That’s exactly the point Rosenblatt was trying to make, UCT. There is no doublt the climate is changing. He never said (and neither did I) that it was caused by man. Only that it is happening. The people that refuse to accept that fact are just plain ignorant.
It’s important we find out why, so that if there is anything we can do to have an effect on it we can do so. I don’t understand why everyone is so up in arms about this.
uct, have you considered that solar flares may have something to do with weather on this planet? They seem to be erupting more frequently than in the past and the radiation does make it to earth. The thing that upsets me the most is that the wacko environmentalists who keep saying it is “man’s” fault that the weather is changing without any proof. Gore was and is the biggest charlatan of the past century foisting his hoax on the nation.
It could be a factor Agent. Just how much, we don’t know.
“NOAA scientists have determined that four factors determine our worldwide temperatures. They are carbon dioxide levels, volcanic eruptions, Pacific El Niño pattern, and the Sun’s activity. Global climate change including long-term periods of global cold, rainfall, drought, and other weather shifts may also be influenced by solar cycle activity, based on historical evidence.”
Good Libby. See, I agreed with you. Too bad your incorrigible friend is so closed minded to any possible explanation. I have seen the videos on the solar flares and heard the commentary that it could be very detrimental to earth, particularly if it continues. Those astronauts in the space station are concerned as well.
Even more reason to figure out what’s causing this change. It may be outside of our control, but maybe there are some things we could do to improve the outcome.
December 5, 2014 at 1:34 pm
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Agent, I never get tired of your stupid attacks on Al Gore. It makes me laugh every time. Keep campaigning against him. It’s such a great strategy.
insurance, I wasn’t a fan of Nixon, particularly when he got in trouble and tried to cover it up. Of course, the Watergate mess did not result in the death of 4 Americans. How about the impeached, but not removed Clinton? Wasn’t he a sweetheart? Now, we have a President with numerous impeachable offenses, but he is likely to stay in because opponents would be called racists if they impeached him.
Sources? Do you think imposing carbon taxes on the American People will help anything? How about making gas out of algae or cow dung? Electric cars have not caught on. Obama promised 1 million electric cars would be on the highways by 2015. He is only 826,000 short on that goal and Volts are gathering dust in GM’s lot. No one wants them. Fisker is already bankrupt after receiving loans from the government. We have seen the other schemes about green energy and they don’t pan out and are another huge waste of taxpayer money.
Why are you arguing with me about this? I’ve never said I was a proponent of algae or cow dung. As far as electric cars and emissions, I remember when the whole of Denver was covered with a cloud of smog that hung over the city constantly because of the inversion caused by the mountains. Denver skyline is now as beautiful a view as the front range due to controlling carbon emissions. So, for that simple fact I’m all for clean air.
Libby, most of the cities in the country have better air than they did 20 years ago. All I did was ask you some simple questions on policies your President has been doing? A simple yes or no would suffice. You have to argue about everything. Stan can’t say yes or no to a simple survey.
It is time for another survey. This one is on Narcissistic Personality Disorder. A simple yes or no will be all that is required. Do you think President Obama displays any of the classic traits of NPD?
1. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love.
2.Believes that he is “special” and unique and can only be understood by or should associate with other special or high status people
3. Requires excessive admiration.
4. Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g. unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his expectations.
5. Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends.
6. Lacks empathy, is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
7. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
8. Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.
Agent, this is a meaningless quiz, dumbass. It’s reminiscent of the kind of quiz like they give in Seventeen magazine to see if you’re “totes going to get an adorbs boyfriend over the winter holiday lolz!”
I’m just saying let’s all try to be professional here. We can disagree without name calling. Insurance has enough image problems without resorting to that.
Well Jenny, you have made only a few comments and already ran afoul of Libby & Stan and been insulted for your trouble. There is nothing professional about either one of them. They are merely leftist ideologues who scream, rant and insult and they are Obama Messiah worshippers who think he can do no wrong and exhibit many of the same traits he does on the Narcissistic Personality Disorder which is a mental disease.
December 5, 2014 at 1:10 pm
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This is who you’re defending Jenny, the man who believes that the president of the united states has a mental disease because he disagrees with his policies.
Agent, do you have to stop walking when you talk in order to avoid getting a headache?
December 5, 2014 at 3:36 pm
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I agree with you Jenny. I wish we could keep this place professional while not resorting to childish name calling and insults. I wish you the best of luck – I’ve found that to be extremely difficult.
December 5, 2014 at 12:03 pm
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Jenny, you are probably a very reasonable and intelligent woman. And I have no reason not to respect both your opinion and you as a person. But this board is a cesspool of insults, and Agent is the worst offender. To greet him with polity is to do reason a great disservice.
Stan, stop being a hypocrite before you start preaching.
December 5, 2014 at 4:02 pm
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I am not a hypocrite; I am all for the insults. Which is why I am comfortable calling you and Agent both foolish and very likely ugly. Let me guess, you’re a Texan too?
December 5, 2014 at 4:30 pm
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Wrong on all three guesses, Sparky!
Wise, handsome and a Pennsylvanian! Former Marylander, but got out of that liberal hell hole a long time ago. (My humbleness astounds me…just kidding haha!)
I think you should be careful at thinking who is foolish. You are the one that keeps believing in Obama and his lies.
December 5, 2014 at 4:39 pm
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Obama = liar. Rock-solid analysis there, Integrity. You realize that PA went for Obama last time around, right? Maybe you guys arent as dumb as you look. Def better than Texas.
December 9, 2014 at 10:32 am
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Stan…So you are admitting that Obama is a liar. And, you obviously follow and agree with him (probably worship him, too). Who’s the fool??
Maybe stupid is more appropriate that you WANT a liar to be your leader.
I know I don’t!!
December 9, 2014 at 5:26 pm
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No, I was making fun of your reasoning. Go hang with Agent.
December 11, 2014 at 3:34 pm
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You’re response smells like a lie, Stan-nyboy.
So, now you don’t think Obama has lied at all, about anything?
Either you are a liar or really stupid!! Which one is it, Staaaan?
integrity, these Progressive Liberals don’t understand what Narcissim is since most of them fit the same behavior. They can’t take any criticism and it is well known Obama is about as thin skinned as they come. If we criticize his policies, we are racists. Gruber thought the American people to be “stupid” and couldn’t make choices about Healthcare. Progressives think they are smarter than everyone else and throw in the elitist mentality and you have a very bad situation. It is good that the mid terms stopped them in their tracks. Now, they can complain about Conservatives for the next two years after Obama vetos everything put in front of him. They will say Congress is dysfunctional and stymies Obama’s best efforts of using the pen to implement his Executive Orders.
Agent, you are in fact too stupid. Maybe he was right. And the mid-terms didnt stop anything, Obama is moving forward with his executive order. Bummer, bro. I guess you have to listen to the liberals after all. Thanks goodness, since were all so much smarter than you.
integrity, Libby said not so long ago that she thinks Obama has been honest and forthright with the American People with what he has done or tried to do. There are 2,920 days in an 8 year term. That is a lot of lies since there is usually a daily one from this President.
It isn’t a quiz, bright eyes, but a simple survey. Still can’t follow instructions I see. How much time did you spend in 3rd grade in the time out corner with a dunce cap on your head because of interrupting the teacher or talking back to her?
Rosenblatt had no better luck than I did and I wasn’t surprised at all on your nasty comment. Go take a long walk on a short pier.
Agent – you really need to stop posting fiction here. “Rosenblatt had no better luck than I did” — actually, I had WAY better luck than you. Numerous people have just posted a simple “yes” or “no” since my poll and only a couple (yourself included) have written insults with their reply.
In addition to your false statement that you had the same amount of luck as I with getting people to reply “yes” or “no”, your poll is absurd. My poll was based off this article, your poll was based off some random questions you pulled out of your a$$.
I am having a tough time taking you seriously — you got upset when I supposedly didn’t call out Stan, but you didn’t acknowledge I did it when I replied to you. You then got upset because I didn’t use his actual name, when anyone with basic reading comprehension skills can see it’s obvious I was talking to him — again, you didn’t acknowledge this. You get upset when I supposedly don’t know right from wrong, when I’m just deciding not to comment if something is right or wrong, and again you don’t respond to that. Now you lump me into your poll saying you didn’t have any better luck than I with this poll, and you’re just flat out wrong again.
I can’t tell if you’re a troll, someone who doesn’t have basic reading comprehension skills or someone who intentionally twists facts to suit your narrative. All I know is each time I respond to your absurd claims, you seem to ignore my posts and instead go on insulting people.
Rosenblatt, you really need to review the posts before commenting. The very first response to your survey was incorrigible Stan insulting me. You didn’t call him out by name, but just expressed frustration. Stan is the one who should be called out by name every time he goes into his serial insulting mode. In fact, about 98% of his posts are insults since he has nothing to contribute. My post about not having any better luck than you was strictly about Stan since he was the first to post and insult and not follow instructions. By the way, the survey I posted are the classic traits of NPD which is quite evident with POTUS. It is a mental disease. Stay classy and try to read more carefully next time.
Agent – once again, you’re wrong and I guess I need to point it out to you again.
I bet you’ll either (1) not reply to this or (2) post a reply that says something different than what you just wrote with a line similar to, “what I wrote is not what I meant” and basically telling me that I can’t take your posts at face value and I need to read into what you meant to write but didn’t.
Stan was NOT the first person to post a reply to my poll. See the first post under my poll with the word “yes” in it? See the name? Yeah, that’s my name right there next to the first reply to my poll. After my “yes” is when Stan posted his reply, thereby making his reply the second response to the poll.
You can easily see that in the thread. Your claim that he posted the first reply is blatantly false and the evidence is right above you. His post was not the “very first response to your survey” as you falsely claim.
Also, I have already told you multiple times that while I didn’t call Stan out by name, anyone with basic reading comprehension skills can see he was the only one besides me who posted something so I must have been talking about him. Do you disagree it’s obvious I was referencing Stan’s reply? It should be obvious to anyone that since I wasn’t calling myself out for posting an insult (which I didn’t do), I was calling out the only other person who did reply at that time.
How is “Man, we can’t even get two comments before the challenge fails (replying with a simple yes or no, without adding additional comments or insults). That’s sad.” any different than “Man, we can’t even get two comments before the challenge fails (replying with a simple yes or no, without adding additional comments or insults). That’s sad, Stan.”?
What’s the big deal there kiddo? One freaking word got added. It doesn’t change anything. Anyone who reads the comments in order would’ve already known I was talking about Stan before I wrote his name at the end.
This is getting absurd. We can’t even agree if Stan made the first or second post to my poll yet the evidence is right there for anyone to see. Let’s try to stick to that point and see if we can actually agree that I posted the poll, then I posted the FIRST reply, which means Stan then posted the SECOND reply. Do you agree with me on that order? It’s worthless talking about anything else if I can’t even get you to agree about that.
I told you, Rosenblatt, Agent is a first class dipshit of the highest order. It’s like trying to reason with someone who doesn’t believe in gravity. The idea that you can have substantive, fact-filled debate with that kind of animal is a fantasy unfortunately. I suggest using him for what he’s good for: a caricature of the foolish republican right (he doesnt do much for the state of Texas either).
Agent, also, youre ugly.
December 5, 2014 at 11:21 am
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Rosenblatt, you shouldn’t count yourself as the first comment since you put out the survey. I don’t know anyone who responds to their own survey. If you want to parse words, give poor Stan a break by not calling him out and to knock it off, that is your business. Let’s agree that he was the first other person to respond and did it with an insult and you didn’t call him out on it. A simple admonition by name is all that is called for. Stan didn’t get the message, obviously as he doesn’t at any time. He is merely an uninformed insulting troll of the highest magnitude.
December 5, 2014 at 11:29 am
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Agent, thanks for the kind words. Glad to know that you’re a fan. But I still don’t accept your apology, no matter how much you beg.
December 5, 2014 at 11:51 am
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“You shouldn’t count yourself as the first comment since you put out the survey”
Disagree. It’s still counts as a comment even if it’s done by the person who wrote the initial post.
“I don’t know anyone who responds to their own survey”
I did it to ensure my belief is taken into consideration when determining who on this site agrees the climate is changing. While I asked the question, that does not bar me from participating in the poll and having my vote count.
“Let’s agree that he was the first other person to respond”
Agreed as it’s the same freaking thing I asked you to agree to – he was the second person, right behind me, to reply to the poll. So, thank you for finally agreeing with me that I posted the first reply and Stan posted the second reply.
“and did it with an insult”
Agreed
“and you didn’t call him out on it.”
Disagree
“A simple admonition by name is all that is called for”
Says you. I say me posting the subsequent comment of “we couldn’t get 2 comments before an insult, that’s sad” clearly implies I’m referencing the only person who wrote an insult at that time.
This back and forth is going nowhere fast. Even when you agree with me, you can’t be an adult and just admit it – you have to tweak the words and ask if I agree with your statement instead. I’m done unless something new is brought up.
December 5, 2014 at 2:07 pm
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Agent, just because you lay down “instructions” does not mean other readers must follow them. That is, unless you are the ruler of the internet anywhere other than in your own mind.
Hey insurance! Just because Rosenblatt lays down instructions does not mean other readers must follow them either. Obviously, he had some issues with Stan not following his instructions without ranting. I am not the ruler of the internet and neither is he or you. I admit to not knowing how to hack someone’s identity either.
First, you don’t give the full story — you could’ve admitted it was Stan AND you that both threw out insults in my poll, not just referencing Stan’s comment — you only reference what may help your current argument and leave the rest out (which is necessary to provide accurate context of what I’ve said).
Worse than that – you have already failed numerous times to understand what I’ve written (see the prior “reading comprehension fail” responses just in this thread). Telling others what I “obviously” had issues with when, on multiple occasions just in this thread, you yourself haven’t understood my intent or meaning numerous times.
I wanted to stay out of this thread, but you pulled me right back in when you decided you were going to speak for me and tell others what I meant or what I took offense to, knowing full well that you have not understood what I wrote multiple times in this comment section yourself. That’s disingenuous, to say the least.
Do you want me to apologize to you that I reacted to Stan’s insult instead of just giving you a yes or no answer to your survey? I am just supposed to take it and give him a pass?? You said you didn’t know whether it was right or wrong to have my identity hacked and broadcast over the forum. Who is being disingenuous here and being dishonest? Being hacked is about as big an insult on this site as you can get. You should have said it was an outrage and reported booger to IJ like many others have done. Instead, you continue to express outrage that I don’t go along and be meek about Stan. I have seen your true color and it is blue, just like the losers you voted for in the mid terms.
December 5, 2014 at 2:57 pm
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More insults from Agent, and yet hes the one complaining about tone. Agent, stop being such a baby. My goodness, it’s no wonder Texas loses every war it’s ever started, what with all the cowards and whiners within its borders.
You also dont know anything about computers if you think what happened was getting “hacked.”
Try getting on twitter or facebooks for once, bro. You might learn a thing or two.
December 5, 2014 at 3:27 pm
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Oh my god Agent, I can’t believe you’re actually as dense as you come across in these posts. I sincerely hope you’re just being a really “good” troll.
“You said you didn’t know whether it was right or wrong to have my identity hacked and broadcast over the forum.”
Seriously – you’re bringing this up again? I DID NOT SAY THAT AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS. Here, let me post this again and hopefully it’ll sink in this time:
I decided NOT to say if I think it was right or wrong, which is totally different than me saying I don’t actually know if it was right or wrong.
Stop twisting my words around!! No, I don’t want you to apologize. No, I don’t want you to just “take it and give him a pass.” You know what I want from you? Two things, that’s all. (1) Admit I never said that I didn’t know if having your identity revealed was right or wrong, just that I abstained from commenting on it, which are 2 totally different things. (2) Stop calling it “identity theft” when nobody stole your identity (illegal), they just revealed it (legal). These are 2 totally different things, too.
“Who is being disingenuous here and being dishonest?” Dude, that’s you 100%. You keep claiming I said something different than what I actually said, and you keep calling it “identity theft” when nobody stole your identity. I’ve been patient, I’ve responded to every concern you’ve raised, some points multiple times, and you keep misquoting what I’ve said to suit whatever your current post is all about. Everything I’ve written has been true and honest, which clearly is a foreign concept to you.
PS – Didn’t I just get done telling you that I can speak for myself? “…just like the losers you voted for in the mid terms.” That’s absurdly wrong on so many levels, but I’ll just make one point to prove your wrong again – I didn’t even vote in the mid-terms!
December 5, 2014 at 3:39 pm
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December 5, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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Agent, no one hacked your identity you twit. The posted your identity so you can be identified. Not that it matters since no one cares who you are (youre a nobody, Agent. Welcome to the club).
Really, youre only remarkable trait is your ability to be a dick, then complain when other people are mean to you. Quite the pariah.
Rosenblatt, you could have saved yourself a lot of blog time defending your statements if you had just admitted that what was done to me is abominable and condemn it. Booger, Libby, Stan are the worst of the trolls on this site and should be held accountable. Instead, you just continue to parse words. Don’t worry, they have been reported to IJ by me and several others who find this behavior on a blog terrible. How about another survey? Question – Is it appropriate to hack someone’s ID on the IJ forums and broadcast it to the whole forum and then mock and threaten someone? A simple yes or no answer please.
Wait a second, Agent – sooooooooooo, (1) do you now agree that I never said I didn’t know if the identity reveal was right or wrong, only that I said I was not commenting on it? Do you now agree that you were wrong when you said twice that (basically) shame on me for not knowing right from wrong? (2) Do you also agree that your identity was revealed and not stolen? I’m waiting for your responses on that, then I’ll reply to your survey question.
FYI – I think it’s “hilarious” you keep saying I’m parsing words and implying that’s a bad thing. That’s EXACTLY what must be done when someone (you) doesn’t understand what another person is actually saying and misconstruing intent and meaning.
December 5, 2014 at 4:23 pm
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Agent, just so YOU know I have reported you to IJ several times for your trolling as well. Your dumbassery is making us all more foolish. I wont rest until youre called to account for your actions.
Ban Agent!
December 5, 2014 at 4:49 pm
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Rosenblatt, I think I am through with you on the comments. If you are not going to condemn Booger, Libby and Stan on what they have done and perpetrated, just say so and we are done. A simple yes or no will suffice.
December 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm
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Agent – like I already told you, I’ll be happy to answer your question about hacking/broadcasting your info in these comments as soon as you answer the two outstanding questions I asked you first:
1) Do you agree I previously said I was abstaining from saying what they did to you was right or wrong, which is different than your claims that I didn’t know if it was right or wrong?
2) Do you agree that identity theft did not occur, rather they revealed your identity, and these two phrases mean two different things?
December 5, 2014 at 5:30 pm
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Agent, do you agree that Texas sucks and that youre an idiot? I thought so.
December 5, 2014 at 3:57 pm
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I think 3rd grade was the hardest 5 years of his life!
integrity, do they still give kids time out in school and make them face a corner if they act up? Maybe a trip to the principal or vice principal with a call to the parent? My kids are all grown now, so I don’t know.
What a complete load of garbage. Of course the climate is changing, it’s not a question of belief, it’s a natural occurrence. Violent and apocalyptic change is what made the earth what it is today. It’s a fact that as the population increases, a natural strain on the ecosystem and resources occurs. How arrogant are some people to think that we can control this.
b) “Of course the climate is changing” — apparently that’s not obvious to 2 out of the 10 in the survey referenced in the article and the informal poll taken in this comment section.
There are still people who believe the climate is not changing — regardless of the reason(s) why, such as man-made climate change or natural/cyclical climate changed — they just don’t believe any of the evidence which proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the climate is changing (as it has for 4+ billion years and will continue to do so well past the time the planet is habitable for humans).
When an actual scientist and a Fox News scientist get together in a one-on-one debate, it makes it look like the topic is a 50/50 tossup…when actually, the real scientist has 97% (or so) of science in his/her corner, and the Fox News scientist has only 1 or 2% backing him up. It’s not a fair fight.
The real problem is that people assume what climate change means. So the survey could be erroneous because it was not specifically defined.
Taken literally, of course the climate changes, all the time.
People assume what is meant by climate change (i.e. man-made vs. natural occurrence) and make their responses accordingly. Once again, it is usually the agenda that sets the tone of the survey.
Remember the adage…figures lie and liars figure. Obama is the master of this.
integrity, Progressives and Obama are the masters of lies and deception. It is nice Grubergate came out to reveal all those lies and deception to get Obamacare passed since the stupid voters had to be deceived to get it passed. Lies have a way of catching up to the perpetrators. They have painted themselves into a corner and all they can do is snarl and hurl insults and deny what has happened to them.
No Stan, I wouldn’t live in Austin since it is purple with all those liberal students and professors. Thank goodness the rest of the state is red and we beat Wendy Davis by nearly a million votes. Where did you get the idea I am liberal? Surely not from my posts. I have no reason to be like you. By the way, I drive a very large, powerful SUV with all the bells and whistles. Do you have to take the subway or bus. I am sure you couldn’t maintain and drive anything or even afford the Auto Insurance on it.
December 5, 2014 at 6:00 pm
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lol yeah, you would hate to be all those people with educations and good jobs and innovative companies. You would def. stick out.
And im so thrilled you told us about your big old SUV. Sounds like youre compensating for something, Agent. Are you insecure about something other than your looks, personality, and general intelligence?
December 8, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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Hey integrity, do you remember Obama back in 08 campaigning on rising gas prices? His favorite statement was that you can’t simply drill your way to lower prices. Guess what, I think you can and we have. Technology in drilling has led to lower prices and coupled with OPEC having a big feud, there is more oil now and prices have plummeted. I don’t know what you are paying at the pump now, but in our area, some stations have regular unleaded at $1.99 per gallon and it isn’t from algae or cow dung produced fuel.
Agent – I remember. Just about everything Obama says turns out to be a lie and the decisions he makes turns out to be bad or wrong.
December 8, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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Yes integrity, This President is on quite a streak now. The lies and deception about his policies, his out of control government doing the wrong thing for America. The last two years will be him vetoing Republican legislation, suits on about every subject including immigration and investigations of every department and agency. Republicans should keep piling that legislation on his desk every week and see how much of an obstructionist he wants to be.
December 5, 2014 at 6:11 pm
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Yes, I like to win if I am in a wreck. If I ever hit one of your favorite liberal Priuses, I would squash it. Of course I am accident free for 10 years. The last one I had, one of your low information voters with no license, no insurance and a record a mile long t-boned me after he ran a red light from a block away.
That was an expensive U/M claim. Good thing I had excellent coverage and paid everything except for the $250PD deductible.
I have news for you Stan. Democrats are already in real trouble. The results of the election show that. The latest loss is Mary Landrieu in La who lost by 12 points Saturday. The voters there provided her with a cardboard box to start packing up and vacating the office. She can send her boxes over to her $1.5 million mansion in DC since she won’t be returning to La anytime soon.
Hey Agent – I think we should create a sign for the next protest. Something like – “Please do not try to arrest me after I break the law. I might die resisting arrest and it will be your fault.”
I think we can make millions so the Dems can tax have and give it back to the illegal immigrants and takers of society. What do you think?
Well, the lame duck short timers don’t have much time to load up some pork and do as much damage as possible. Come January, it is all coming to a screeching halt. We want responsible government and legislation that does not favor special interests. The economy is the most important issue to most Americans.
integrity, I get sick of these pro athletes mimicking Hands Up and wearing tee shirts saying – I can’t breathe. I saw an interview on Hannity with a Sheriff and he said if people don’t want to be harmed by Police, they should start obeying an officer when he says to get down on the ground and put their hands behind their back. Not one case of Police brutality has been made when people obey the officer. They can file a grievance in court if they have a problem. These people think they can resist arrest and charge an officer and nothing bad will happen to them.
“Not one case of Police brutality has been made when people obey the officer.” I understand your point, but do you just feel that is true or has that actually been investigated and there is evidence to prove the police have NEVER beaten anyone who complied with their requests in the history of this country?
Rosenblatt, you are sounding more like Ron every day. How about you proving that Police brutality exists when the offender follows the orders of Police and gets down on the ground face down. I have not seen a single story in the newspapers, TV or internet where this has ever happened. I have seen numerous stories where they have taken a suspect into custody and hauled him off in cuffs after he followed orders. Hands up, hands behind your head, get on the ground are not difficult to understand. Cops would rather that things go peacefully and they don’t have to injure or kill someone, unlike the stories we see demonizing Police.
You made a statement — police have never beaten anyone who complied with their requests — and I politely asked you if this was something you felt to be true or if there was some evidence to support your statement.
I also acknowledged that I understood the point you were trying to make.
I couldn’t have been any nicer — relax guy.
FWIW – if person 1 makes a statement and person 2 asks if they have any evidence to support their statement, it is NOT person’s 2 responsibility to prove person 1 was wrong.
After all…I NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED THAT YOU WERE WRONG!! I just wanted to know if you FELT your statement was true or if you had something to support it.
We’re not even debating anything right now – I just asked you a freaking question which, as usual for you, you didn’t actually answer in your response.
December 10, 2014 at 5:27 pm
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“Not one case of Police brutality has been made when people obey the officer. They can file a grievance in court if they have a problem”
I beg to differ. I definitely don’t think all police officers are bad people out to hurt citizens. But to say that they don’t exist, and that there aren’t bad cops who abuse their positions and brutalize people who aren’t resisting is just not true.
For example. This was in the Washington Post a couple of days ago:
“Knox County cop fired immediately after photos show brutal choking of student
Usually, after charges of police brutality, police officials take their time reacting while they follow procedure to determine who did what. But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately.
Frank Phillips, a Knox County Sheriff’s officer, was fired Sunday night after a series of pictures taken by photographer John Messner were published in the Daily Mail in Britain. They showed an officer identified by the Sheriff’s Office as Phillips grabbing 21-year-old college student Jarod Dotson around the neck and squeezing him until he fell to his knees…”
BS, I believe you are a little too politically correct. You conveniently left off that the guy was told repeatedly to go back inside, resisted arrest and grabbed at an officers leg. The video does not show a choke hold. Yes, the officer pushed him to the ground. This is nothing like what happened in NY. If they want to fire the cop for this, that is their business.
I wasn’t being politically correct. I was showing that your statement that police brutality never happens when a subject is obeying was incorrect.
Whether he had refused to go inside or had grabbed at an officer’s leg previously, is irrelevant. That was not the case at that moment, in that video. At that moment, he simply was standing with his arms behind his back while another officer switched out the cuffs they had on him. Phillips then went up, put his hands around his neck, and strangled him until he collapsed. That wasn’t a restraining move, or a choke hold, that was battery.
Like I said above, I definitely don’t think all cops are bad. But, that doesn’t mean that NO cops are bad, and I think this incident illustrates that.
December 11, 2014 at 2:08 pm
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Are you blind Agent? You said the video does not show a choke hold, but the first picture shows the officer choking the suspect and the second image is an animated *.gif which I feel clearly shows 2 other cops were handcuffing the suspect when the third cop came around and started to choke the suspect.
I would like to discuss this single discrepancy with you, so please try to stay on point when replying.
Are you looking at the same link/images that I am, which came from BS’s link?
If so, do the two images I mentioned appear on your monitor, with the second image being an animated *.gif?
If so, can you please explain why you think those two images do not actually show the officer choking the suspect?
I’m very interested to read your response.
December 11, 2014 at 2:13 pm
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PS: A choke hold is defined as “a general term for grappling hold that critically reduces or prevents either air (choking) or blood (strangling) from passing through the neck of an opponent.”
A person who restricts restricts air/blood flow using a grappling maneuver is executing a choke hold, regardless of what position the people may be in (choking from the rear and choking from the front are both choke holds – it doesn’t matter if the officer was in front of or behind the person when they restricted their air/blood flow).
December 11, 2014 at 2:21 pm
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BS & Rosenblatt, the video was at best inconclusive. I saw no discomfort on the perps face and he didn’t collapse, but was pushed down to the ground. Do you agree that he disobeyed prior orders to leave and go inside? I don’t think that is obeying officers orders. That has to be the lightest “choke” hold I have ever seen. It was more like the officer resting his hands on the side of the face. I choke hold is much more violent and I think the other officers would have stepped in and stopped it if it became violent.
December 11, 2014 at 2:54 pm
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Here Agent. This is a single picture of the officer and the offender. Please note the officer’s hands. Where they are quite obviously around the man’s throat. And with what appears to be some force, based on the officer’s face and the skin rolls on the offender’s neck.
And once again, it does not matter if he refused to go back inside earlier. And it does not matter if he had tried to grab an officer’s leg earlier. At that moment, he was docile. He was standing compliantly with his hands behind his back, while the other two officers to switched out his handcuffs. There was absolutely no need to strangle him until he went to his knees.
“Do you agree that he disobeyed prior orders to leave and go inside?” I did not bring this up, so I’ll let BS answer the question you asked him.
I have to say Agent – you’re something else, man. Now you state it looks more like “the officer was resting his hands on the side of the face.”
Really dude? It’s time for a new pair of glasses.
Click the first image to get a zoomed-in look of that static image. Go ahead, click the pic…I’ll wait….
Can you now see that the officer CLEARLY has BOTH hands around the guy’s NECK, below the suspect’s ears? I have no idea what the h3ll you’re looking at to claim otherwise.
“I saw no discomfort on the perps face” Are you implying it’s only a choke hold if the other person makes a facial expression showing discomfort? Pretty sure you can choke someone even if they’re not giving you a sad face – those who like that kind of rough stuff in their personal time wouldn’t be giving a sad face while being choked, but they’re still being choked!
Listen – if we can’t even agree that the picture here clearly shows the cop’s hands are around the guy’s neck, I don’t know how we will ever see eye to eye (pun intended).
Don’t know if you saying otherwise because you like to argue, because you’re daft, or because you really can’t tell if those cop hands are around the guy’s neck or his cheeks.
Either way, it wouldn’t kill you to admit you were wrong and say that you actually do see what we can all see in that picture – cop hands around a suspect’s neck.
That’s been my only point in this discussion: you claimed there is no evidence of a choke hold in that article, but that is clearly and blatantly false as there’s a picture of cop hands around that guy’s neck.
Do you still believe the cop was NOT using his hands to apply some kind of pressure to the neck of the suspect?
December 11, 2014 at 3:57 pm
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I want to state up front that I did not see the video. The pictures indicate the bald officer is potentially choking the perp.
That said, the fact remains that the perp ORIGINALLY resisted arrest and displayed aggression to the cops. The videography does not state when he started filming, so he may not have seen him initially resisting.
It is so easy for bystanders and Monday morning QB’s to say what the cop should have done. If I am a cop and deal with scumbags trying to hurt me, I am not going to give them a 2nd chance to hurt me. If the perp was again told to get on the ground and did not comply, he is still resisting, regardless of whether his physical actions make him appear that he is resisting.
One final comment, where is Rev’s Jackson and Sharpton with the police brutality allegations? I guess white-on-white is alright with them. I didn’t notice anyone burning down the town either.
December 11, 2014 at 4:08 pm
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Integrity – I completely agree with all your non-Reverend points.
By no means am I saying what SHOULD have happened, nor am I second-guessing the officer’s decision in the heat of the moment, nor am I stating what might have occurred before or after the image in discussion right now.
The recent item I’ve been talking about was an issue I had with Agent’s statement that he felt the cop wasn’t choking the suspect and that his beliefs were supported by the video and image which, to him, showed a cop resting his hands on the cheeks of the suspect.
I just don’t see how anyone could look at that image — especially the zoomed-in one BS posted recently — and come to any conclusion which differs from “yup – I see the hands of that one officer are wrapped around the neck/throat of the suspect while there are two other cops behind the suspect handcuffing him.”
That’s my only point right now.
December 11, 2014 at 4:54 pm
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See, here’s my issue with the “he’d been resisting” argument…
I think saying that it’s OK for an officer to use/continue to use unnecessary force after an offender has been subdued if the offender had initially resisted is very dangerous. That’s allowing for police to be punitive and even retaliatory if someone doesn’t do what they want, when they want. And, that could be just as dangerous for the officers as any offender. If a criminal gets into a struggle with a police officer, I’d bet even money that he’ll fight harder and more desperately if he knows that the officer will be allowed to continue to beat/strangle/hurt him if he surrenders. If a criminal knows that he’s likely to be hurt, even if he surrenders, what’s the incentive for giving up? That puts officers at an even greater risk than they already face daily.
Once someone is down and no longer resisting, that should be it. Cuff them and get them in the car. That’s it. I understand that police officers are human, and that sometimes it’s hard to reign the adrenaline in. But as police officers, they need to stay above the fray, and be able to take a step back and not take one last shot at someone who’s given up.
I’m not saying this kid didn’t deserve to be arrested. He definitely did. But he didn’t deserve to be strangled. Not when he had his hands behind his back and was complying with the officers.
December 10, 2014 at 4:11 pm
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Hey integrity, did you see the story that the Columbia Law School students were so traumatized by Ferguson and Staten Island incidents that they requested the school delay their final exams. Translation: They needed to go out and block some bridges and streets and scream at the Police and they didn’t have time to study.
BS, did you happen to notice the officers right hand with almost all fingers showing behind the perps neck. Doesn’t it take two hands to strangle someone? Yes, he was being restrained. Yes, he was drunk. Yes, he disobeyed officers orders to leave. Why do you think three officers were handling one man who is standing there compliantly? Perhaps he had caused some trouble prior to the video being taped and resisted arrest. Ever think of that?
The officer was squeezing his neck, Agent. How can you argue what’s in the picture? You can clearly see the fingers on both hands squeezing guy’s neck. The only reason why the fingers on the right hand are sticking up higher is because he was also holding his baton in that hand.
Three men weren’t handling him. He had been walked back to the police van, already in handcuffs, and two officers were swapping the deputy’s cuffs out for ones from the van. He wasn’t resisting, but Phillips still came up and strangled him until he passed out.
Should he have been arrested? Yes. Especially if they were throwing bottles at the police. But strangling someone who is not resisting being handcuffed, is just unnecessary police brutality.
“According to photographer John Messner, some college students began to throw beer bottles at police, who called for backup from the Knox County Sheriff’s office
Dotson was arrested and handcuffed, then walked a block to a waiting police van at the University of Tennessee.
He went willingly and did not resist arrest, said Messner.
When they got to the police van, the arresting deputy’s handcuffs were removed from the young man’s wrists and replaced with cuffs from the vehicle.
During the brief moment his wrists were uncuffed, Dotson let his arms fall by his sides.
As two officers twist his arms behind his back, another deputy walks in front of the young man and wraps his hands around his neck.”
Is it ok for young punks to disregard Police who were called to the scene, disregard instructions to leave the scene several times, throw bottles at the Police and resist arrest?
A simple yes or no will suffice!
December 12, 2014 at 11:00 am
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December 12, 2014 at 11:04 am
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But once they stop resisting, it doesn’t entitle the arresting officers to take one last shot at them. Once the ‘punk’ surrenders, it needs to be over. The officer doesn’t get to give him one last punch, kick or strangle for good measure.
December 12, 2014 at 11:16 am
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Agent – once you show me some courtesy and answer EVEN JUST ONE of the 5 things I’ve asked you in this thread, I’ll be happy to answer another one of your questions.
I’m not playing your game until you start playing fair.
I’ve answered at least 5 of your questions and besides the first “No” to my original survey, you haven’t bothered to take the time to answer anything else I’ve asked you.
Here are some of the questions you’ve ignored in this thread in case you want to answer one to get me to reply to your survey:
1) Do you agree your identity was revealed, not stolen?
2) Do you agree I never said I wasn’t sure if your identity being revealed was right or wrong, only that I said I wasn’t going to comment on if it was right or wrong?
3) Do you just feel that no suspect has ever been beaten by police when they’ve complied with the cop’s request, or has that actually been investigated and there is evidence to support your statement?
4) Did you mean to imply that it’s only a choke hold if the other person makes a facial expression showing discomfort?
5) Do you still believe the cop was NOT using his hands to apply some kind of pressure to the neck of the suspect even when seeing that zoomed-in image and knowing that you can choke someone with only 2 fingers, so it’s not necessary to use both hands to choke someone?
You answer one of my outstanding questions and I’ll answer your most recent one. Fair and square. Can’t wait to see what you decide to do.
December 11, 2014 at 3:59 pm
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Agent: poor, poor students. Once again, no one wants to be held responsible for their own actions.
Rosenblatt, I only asked you one question and obviously didn’t get my answer which was simply yes or no. I will ask you again. Do you believe that what was done to me by Booger, Libby & Ins102 was right or wrong? Quit parsing words and writing long diatribes. I do agree that you don’t seem to know whether it was right or wrong. I do agree that I have yet to see a case where officers commands were followed and brutality was exhibited including this case. This punk obviously didn’t follow them and suffered the consequences. How do you presume to know what happened before the taping began? Selective taping gives a wrong picture many times. Yes, he was apprehended and yes he was taken down. What did he say to the cop prior to then? Got any answers at all or are you still trusting the video for your opinion? By the way, I can’t wait to see if you will admit that the blatant disregard of privacy by three trolls on this blog were right or wrong.
“Quit parsing words and writing long diatribes.” Oh. Okay. Because you told me what to do, I’ll make sure I do everything to please you. (end sarcasm)
I HAVE TO PARSE WORDS WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE H3LL I’M SAYING OR ASKING.
I HAVE TO WRITE LONG DIATRIBES TO POINT OUT YOUR LACK OF READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS AS I RESPOND TO YOUR POINTS WHILE TRYING TO GET YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I’M ACTUALLY ASKING.
Even when I lay out the questions for you, you still can’t comprehend what I’m saying. Example:
1) Do you agree your identity was revealed, not stolen?
NO ANSWER
2) Do you agree I never said I wasn’t sure if your identity being revealed was right or wrong, only that I said I wasn’t going to comment on if it was right or wrong?
“I do agree that you don’t seem to know whether it was right or wrong.”
NOT A VALID ANSWER. We’ve already talked about this 3 times in this thread. I never said I didn’t know right from wrong, only that you misinterpreted me when I said I was **abstaining from answering** if it was right or wrong. Big difference.
3) Do you just feel that no suspect has ever been beaten by police when they’ve complied with the cop’s request, or has that actually been investigated and there is evidence to support your statement?
“I do agree that I have yet to see a case where officers commands were followed and brutality was exhibited including this case”
NOT A VALID ANSWER. I asked if you just believed there’s no case where a cop has hurt a suspect who complied or if you have evidence. You saying you haven’t seen the opposite of what I was asking doesn’t answer my question.
4) Did you mean to imply that it’s only a choke hold if the other person makes a facial expression showing discomfort?
NO ANSWER
5) Do you still believe the cop was NOT using his hands to apply some kind of pressure to the neck of the suspect even when seeing that zoomed-in image and knowing that you can choke someone with only 2 fingers, so it’s not necessary to use both hands to choke someone?
NO ANSWER
As a show of good faith, I will answer your questions when, once again, you haven’t bothered to answer the ones I asked you first. Do not expect me to answer future questions from you if you continue to fail to answer questions I asked you first.
“Do you believe that what was done to me by Booger, Libby & Ins102 was right or wrong?”
Wrong
“How do you presume to know what happened before the taping began?”
Now you’re just being a presumptuous idiot. Yes. I’m resulting to name calling. I don’t know how I could have been any clearer than when I previously wrote:
By no means am I saying what SHOULD have happened, nor am I second-guessing the officer’s decision in the heat of the moment, nor am I stating what might have occurred before or after the image in discussion right now.
“What did he say to the cop prior to then?”
I don’t know – see my previous answer
There. I answered your questions and you didn’t have to answer mine and admit you were wrong and that you misinterpreted many things I’ve written and explained to you ad-nauseam numerous times. You happy now?
December 8, 2014 at 3:03 pm
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The numbers don’t feel right. Most polls show that its more like 60/35/5 that there is no man made effect on the climate so where this is coming from is interesting to say the least.
nuff, the liberals and their lap dog media has been pushing man made Global Warming/Climate Change for several years now. Many of the so called scientists pushing the agenda admitted to cooking the books on the figures and some resigned in disgrace. This mantra is not going so well these days. It also is not helpful that the 24/7 news cycle reports on every storm anywhere and intimates it is man made climate change causing the problem. What is really amazing to me is that they think man can do something about a hurricane or tornado or even a record snowfall. Mother nature will be what mother nature will be.
Rosenblatt, congratulations, you set a new record for post lengths in your latest diatribe/book. I thought Bob was long winded, but he can’t hold a candle to you. So it took 8 or 10 posts for you to finally say that Booger, Libby & Ins102 were wrong to broadcast my identity all over this blog and mock me continually. As the warden said,”What we have here is a failure to communicate”. You don’t need drone on ad nauseum. Just answer the question and we are done.
Take your own stinking advice Agent. I asked you the same 2 “yes or no” questions at least like 5 times and you still haven’t answered them.
EACH TIME YOU ASKED ME ABOUT YOUR IDENTITY THEFT I MENTIONED YOU NEEDED TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS FIRST. YOU NEVER DID AND I STILL ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
You are a major hypocrite, but I’ll give you one more chance to take your own advice and “just answer the questions and we are done.”
1) Do you agree your identity was revealed and those who did, did not technically perpetrate identity theft?
2) Do you agree I **abstained** from saying if what they did was right or wrong, instead of what you claim which was that I said I didn’t know if it was right or wrong?
Two simple yes/no questions I’ve been asking you since we started this. I’m still waiting for your answers…..
1. Do you agree that Identity Theft can take more than one form? No, they didn’t steal any money from me or get my credit card info, but they did reveal my identity on an anonymous forum and then mocked me and threatened me.
2. I agree that you abstained from comment because you apparently didn’t think they did anything wrong and wouldn’t condemn their behavior like several others did.
Now, we are done. I will refrain from commenting on anything you say in the future.
Unbelievable Agent. All you had to do was to answer yes or no. Not only didn’t you do that, but you still are saying I didn’t know if your identity being revealed was right or wrong yet I JUST WROTE IT WAS WRONG IN MY LAST POST. Your reading comprehension skills are horrifyingly pathetic.
I don’t give a crap about your personal life or your favorite football team. I don’t care how many pounds you can lift, whether you roid up, or how far you can pee.
I read IJ because I am interested (or not) in your opinion on an insurance-related issue. While I love the challenge of finding the logic behind a ditto-head’s position on impeachable offenses or anything scientific, I grow tired of it.
Quit flexing, bullying, and insulting, and write something semi-intelligent for a change.
It’s hard to do that when some people can’t understand what’s being said, insult you for things you didn’t actually say, then act like a hypocrite because they’re upset you did or didn’t do something that they aren’t or are willing to do themselves.
I got insulted for not knowing the difference between right and wrong when I only said I was abstaining from answering, yet no matter how many times that was pointed out or even after I admitted it was wrong, that person still gives me grief because they still think I don’t know right from wrong.
How can we have intelligent conversations if people don’t have basic reading comprehension skills?
What is this, about 20 posts where you are upset about me questioning your ability to tell right from wrong? Here is a hint for you. When someone asks you about a moral issue of right or wrong, don’t abstain or vote present or parse words. Just answer one way or the other and you will fare much better.
It’s 20 posts about you not insulting me for what you THOUGHT I wrote rather than what I ACTUALLY said, never acknowledging you read the posts incorrectly, and being a hypocrite by not taking your own advice.
Here is a hint for you, Agent – when someone asks you a yes/no question, just answer one way or another and you will fare much better. Don’t insult the person and get upset when they don’t answer your question after you failed to answer theirs.
Phew. It only took 2 weeks of me copying & pasting the same sentence to get you to finally acknowledge what I initially wrote was different than what you believed I wrote.
And even AFTER I said what they did to you was wrong, you replied with “…you apparently didn’t think they did anything wrong and wouldn’t condemn their behavior like several others did.” Derp.
Finally – I suggest you learn the meaning of the word “parse” before you use it negatively again. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
It would appear that this runs counter to the IJ forum in which only 2 posters in 10 believe that there is climate change.
IJ comment board = a meeting of the flat earth society.
For those that liked this comment, do you realize that DR just “slammed” you?
Personally, I think the majority of the IJ comment board are far more intelligent than to believe the earth is flat. Some of their other opinions, however..???
I took it to mean those that deny climate change still think the earth is flat. To that, I agreed.
Those of the flat earth society can’t grasp the obvious truth..like those who still believe Obama is a good and honest president.
Integrity, Libby has stated many times that Obama has been honest and forthright with the country. Events of the past 6 years seem to refute that, don’t you think?
ABSOLUTELY!!
I think I stated it once 3 years ago…
A poll (and a challenge!) for IJ posters:
Reply to this comment with “Yes” if you believe the climate is changing
Reply to this comment with “No” if you don’t believe the climate is changing
Do not reply to this post with any other comments (such as “Is it man-influenced climate change? Can the scientists be trusted? Boo to the Republicans. Boo to the Democrats. Boo to the other posters and now let’s insult each other.”) Start a new comment for any of that stuff, please.
Just wondering what the ratio is for IJ posters who do and do not believe the climate is changing.
I’ll start…..
Yes
Yes, the climate is changing, just like Agent is dumb.
Man, we can’t even get two comments before the challenge fails (replying with a simple yes or no, without adding additional comments or insults). That’s sad.
Yes.
Good try Rosenblatt. Unfortunately, we have troll Stan that can’t read or follow instructions.
NO!
That’s “funny” Agent – by commenting and calling Stan a troll, you too can’t follow instructions :P
Rosenblatt, weren’t you the one complaining about Stan’s insult to me? I don’t let him get away with insulting me, sorry.
“I don’t let him get away with insulting me, sorry.” That’s your prerogative, Agent – but it’s also something I find disturbing about the majority of people who comment on this site — very few will try to take the high road, let an insult slide by, and try to continue to discuss rather than argue.
I’m not saying either of you is right or wrong (who fired first? does it matter? who fired last? does it matter who posted the most inappropriate insult of them all?) just that it took 2 posts (one of them mine) to see the first person throw out an insult in a “yes/no” only question and 2 more posts for the next person to throw back a retaliatory insult.
3 people besides me answered so far – two of them couldn’t even give a “yes” or “no” to a simple non-partisan and non-inflammatory question. I find it unlikely that any useful dialogue will actually happen here if we can’t even get 3 people to write either just a “yes” or a “no” without insults being hurled around.
Rosenblatt, if you had been insulted as many times as I have on this forum, had your moniker stolen to post trash, been a victim of ID theft, you would get tired of it as well. I was prepared to give my one word response to you without further comment. How about calling out Stan instead of criticizing me for a change? All you had to do was tell him to knock it off.
Agent – Quit whining. You give as good as you get on IJ. You are incapable of a one word response and always have to get your snide comments in at the end of any post. I’ve told you that’s the reason you don’t get many thumbs up from me. I’ll start out agreeing with you and then you get nasty at the end and I have to thumb you down. Childish behavior.
Agent, unfortunately, they do not get it. It’s like hockey, the first one to throw the punch doesn’t get the penalty. The second one in does.
Rosenblatt..I’ll try another simple question/poll to see if anyone can answer yes or no.
Should the protests about the Ferguson situation continue even though there was undisputable evidence that the cop was justified to shoot the victim? My response…NO.
“How about calling out Stan instead of criticizing me for a change?”
But – I already did what you’re asking me to do!
Directly underneath his post I wrote “Man, we can’t even get two comments before the challenge fails (replying with a simple yes or no, without adding additional comments or insults). That’s sad.”
I have been insulted here many times Agent, don’t you worry! Although you’re right – I have no idea what I’d do if someone on this site stole my identity. Okay, that’s not true. I’d do the exact same thing to them that I’d do to whomever stole my identity, but I’m now thinking “ID Theft” was your reference to someone posting with your name and not that someone here has illegally committed actual ID Theft against you.
Either way, I called out the person who posted the first insult and I called out the second person who insulted the first guy back. I don’t think I can be any more fair.
@integrity matters
yes
Yes.
Agent thinks because someone figured out his true identity that constitutes identity theft. He’s a little slow on the uptake. There’s no theft going on here, Agent. You have been “identified.” That’s all.
Agent, Rosenblatt is right. I accept your apology. I am glad that you learned your lesson.
I meant to say “no”.
Call him out by name Rosenblatt. He is disgraceful.
Agent, I now withdraw my apology because of your silliness. I don’t care how sorry you are, youre still an idiot to me.
Seriously, Agent? First you get upset that I didn’t call him out – which I clearly did – and now (instead of you actually acknowledging that I had called him out) you say I need to call him out BY NAME. Geez. When I wrote “that’s sad” and only 1 person besides me had replied, I’m pretty sure everyone knew I wasn’t referencing myself. So I didn’t use his actual name. Big deal. I clearly called him out. Your “call him out by his name” post is pretty petty IMO.
That’s Agent’s middle name.
Agent, have you given any thought towards moving to Utah? That’s the reddest state in the Union. Plus, there is plenty of space, so you can run your mouth without worrying about facts or rationality or really even intelligence.
Stop ruining Texas.
Yes. This is not a liberal vs conservative debate until we have separate planets available for both.
BTW, Rosenblatt–your posts are extremely well-written, thought- provoking, and respectful, regardless of whether I agree with all of them. It’s obvious to me that you have done your homework on the issues. We need more posters on here to follow your example and make their points while keeping things civil. Take care and God bless.
Integrity – No!
Yes
Rosenblatt, I guess you weren’t around when the ID theft was perpetrated by the notorious boogereater and broadcast all over the forum and added to by Libby and Ins102, threatening, bullying to their hearts content. I am not a good enough geek to steal the identity of someone. I will leave that to the leftist trolls, but it has no place on an anonymous forum. These people should all announce their names, emails etc so we can see who they are and see how they like it to have their identity stolen and broadcast and made fun of.
Agent – so your identity was revealed, not stolen. I was there for that and got confused now since you wrote that someone actually stole your identity.
There’s a huge difference between the two. Please try to use the words that accurately describe the situation rather than phrases which don’t.
Identity theft = crime. Revealing someone’s identity on an anonymous commenting system = legal.
I’m not saying what was done to you was right or wrong, just that it’s not identity theft like you think.
Rosenblatt, If you don’t know the difference between right and wrong, what does that say about you? We already know that Libby, Boogereater, Stan and Ins102 do not know right from wrong based on their comments. I thought you might be a little different. This is supposed to be an anonymous forum and insulting, mocking my name and reputation should be completely off limits.
If insulting is off limits Agent, then you are definitely banned for life. And nobody was mocking your name or reputation. Just your drivel.
Agent – that’s a big reading comprehension failure you just made, and that’s not the first time I’ve had to re-explain to you what I actually wrote as you read way more into the comment than what was actually written.
I decided NOT to say if I think it was right or wrong, which is totally different than me saying I don’t actually know if it was right or wrong.
Just like when you said I needed to call out Stan (and subsequently call him out by name when I said I already called him out), I’m getting very tired of re-posting what I already wrote and having to explain to you that my words are being selected carefully to express myself clearly, rather than me selecting words with a hidden meaning for people to try and figure out.
Please take my words at face value and READ THEM – please do NOT take my words and try to READ INTO them for a deeper meaning. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.
Agent, I take offense. You dont have a good name to insult. I am 100% insulting your bad name.
Be worse, I dont think you can.
Are you ashamed to have your identity revealed, Agent? I would be if I were you.
Libby, you are the one who should be ashamed at participating with Booger. How about giving us your real name, location, email address so we can see how you like it?
I’m not dumb enough to post on every quack website with my picture so that others can identify me, Agent. Only you are. You got caught. Big deal. Put on your big boy pants and get over it. Nobody on here really cares about you in the least.
Agent, no kidding, I would be way more worried about the outside world reading the things that YOU wrote, not the things we wrote about you.
This might shock you, but slack-jawed ignorant yokels like you are literally the laughing stock of the entire nation. Keep talking, buddy. You’re your own worst enemy, bro.
Libby, you and your running mate Stan that you are trying to get a job for are morally deficient and dishonest. Trying to get him a job at your old employer in Denver that cut you loose? He wouldn’t last a month in insurance sales. The owner would quickly realize he made a big mistake and put him on the unemployment line.
Agent, I have decided to move to Texas. You have convinced me.
Any state that harbors as many dumb people like you must be rife with opportunity for fleecing. I cannot wait to get rich off the backs of Redblooded morons like yourself. I think ill start a company, call it “Freedom, Inc.” and ill sell american flags and Obama voodoo dolls.
Want to buy one? Do your part.
There’s nothing dishonest or morally deficient about me. Quit your sniveling or I’ll re-post all of your “secret” information.
Sure the climate is changing- it always has since the beginning of time. And guess what: it always will, regardless of what the human race does or doesn’t do.
yes
YES
Not much.
Nope.
Really? You’re honestly going to say the climate isn’t changing rapidly? Have you seen the weather?
Hi Libby–I am not saying that climate change doesn’t exist. I just don’t believe that although mankind may be contributing slightly to it, there are other reasons for it to be happening. There are volcanos around the entire planet that emit gasses every day, etc. I just don’t believe that we create so much emissions that that is what is causing the climate to change. It is and will always be a never ending process of the earth and our atmosphere.
Yes
Yes.
In the US, the science of climate change is subject to “belief”? And this feeds into policy? Should we run similar polls to see how many people believe the Earth is flat?
Yes, the climate is changing and man is to blame. The Earth is going through it’s cycles too though.
Here is a very interesting link as to why elephants can save the forests in Africa and how the people there are briging the grasslands back into existence.
http://www.fastcoexist.com/1681518/this-man-shot-40000-elephants-before-he-figured-out-that-herds-of-cows-can-save-the-planet
Libby, I hope you’re able to open this. I think you have the same passion for elephants as I do. It’s such a tragedy that 40K elephants lost their lives over a theory that was completely wrong. My heart breaks when I think of all the culling that was done in the 80s. Horrible, just horrible.
You are right, Always. I’m truly an animal lover. More than people, actually.
Thank God for that, since you seem like a people hater.
Thanks for weighing in, Jenny, the climate-change denier. Like I really care about your opinion. Better back up a few paces. You might fall off the edge of the earth. Moron.
screw off
You are right Jenny. She usually reserves her venom to me and any other Conservative blogger. She likes the other hateful, misinformed Progressives and never calls them down for their ugly rants.
Nope. They’re not ugly rants to me. Unlike you, they make a whole lot of sense.
Now now Agent, I thought that you Texans were tough? All I hear you do now is complain about tone! Those big bad ugly progressives are just so mean! Hurting you conservatives feelings all day long with facts and data!
Boo hoo, you big pansy. Be a man just one time.
Stan, I really hope that you and Bob get together up there in Washington State and do a little arm wrestling. He could tear your arm right off wimp.
How do you know, Agent? Have you seen a picture of Bob or do you just take everything he spouts as gospel? You sure are gullible. And there’s nothing wimpier than a grown man snivelling because someone insulted him on a blog. You’ve got NO room to call anyone else a wimp.
Agent, Bob is a simpleton who deserves less credibility than even you since he’s off spouting about weight lifting on an anonymous internet forum. Grow up, bro.
That being said, Bob, if you’re listening, I would trounce you since youre lazy and dont know your ass from your elbow despite a two-point mind. Tool.
@Libby – You are calling Agent gullible??!!?? You who blindly follow the Liar in Chief? Do you even know what it means??
Anyone who could have believed that Obamacare was going to be a good thing/believed that premiums were going to go down after adding millions of previously uninsured people who were going to get subsidized…needs a reality check because they are the ones who were gullible.
Just like poor Mr. Brown, the “teenager” that was bigger than an NFL linebacker, who resisted arrest after robbing a store. You idiots still think it wasn’t his fault that he was killed. You idiots need to learn a little about accepting responsibility for your actions. Something your leader Obama has not learned yet because he dodges every scandal and throws others under the bus. Take off your rose colored glasses.
Oh, I’m not worried about it, there’s a hater everywhere you go. Thanks Agent.
I’m sure there’s a hater everywhere YOU go. For me? Not so much.
I suppose by these logics we shouldn’t trust half the things Libby says correct?
As for you Stan, you’re a funny guy. Why don’t you stop by the gym I go to, if you really live in WA? You shoot off your mouth quite a bit. I defended my physique after you called me lazy physically and mentally. I am not lazy, and I do more than you in every way. This isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact. Most days after I get home, I have no time to do practically anything, while you play your xbox. I’m not one to run my mouth if I don’t have the full ability to take someone out, if you live in WA let’s go workout together some time. I’ll give you a challenge: Lift half the weight total that I do on all the lifts, and I’ll post something of your choice on here to humiliate myself.
Dumb bell curls: 60’s for 3 65 for 1
Straight bar Curls: 110 for 6 2 for 125.
Deadlift: 495
Squat: 455
Over head Dumb bell military: 100’s
Incline dumb bells: 120 for 4, there are no 125’s just 130 which I can’t lift yet.
Dumb bell flat: 120 for 4
Skull Crushers: 165 for my 1 rep max. Yes. That is 2 45 plates and a 25 on each side with a 25lb bar going over my head. I would be shocked if you could even do 90lbs given what I see in the gym.
Over head dumb bell tricep: Not even sure what my max is here. 80’s for 6 isn’t hard. I’ve also done 100 for about 5.
Leg Press laid back on the ground: Not sure what my max is here. I’ve had 9 plates on each side, actually going down to my chest. That is 810 lbs. This isn’t a muscle building lift though, it’s just for variance. The squat is a better builder, as well as deadlift. I rarely use machines to gain strength.
Shoulder shrugs: 455 for 5. I would be shocked if you could do 2 and a half plates, which is 275.
Calling me lazy when you have never met me is a mistake. Do my numbers and my routine stick out in my lifts yet, to show I have quite the workout routine? You are such a child.
Agent is correct Libby. I could tear his arm off, and proceed to beat him with it.
And something you should know:
These are my numbers as I have started to age.
My old squat was nearly 600 lbs. I wish we could have met 6 years ago.
Bob, you’re a lazy liar. No way can you do half of what you post. Go pound methadology sand, weakling. Youre just an internet tough guy making up lifts online. “SkullCrusher” lol.
I can do every weight I just listed.
Meet me at the gym.
I am not lazy and you have no reason to believe that I am.
This is old kid. Very old.
There is a reason I said you can’t do half my lifts, I know what “normal” lifters are in the gym, and they lift half what I do.
Just the other day I took a 45lbs wheel (that’s what us old guys call a 45lbs weight you put on the barbells in the gym) and did a negative shoulder routine. In other words, 10 reps, then held the weight straight out from my body, with my shoulders holding it up for upwards of 20 seconds.
A guy basically was so flabbergasted by it, because most people would consider no one can just hold that weight up, he proceeded to ask me for tips.
Every number I just listed I can do. They aren’t just made up, you will find they all fall in line with a power lifter of my weight. I’m an ex power lifter turned body builder, so I don’t kill myself from the weights.
By the by: The secondary squat machine in the gym which is not a leg press I put 1000 lbs on the machine to train up my squat to 600 lbs in the past. I probably can still do almost 900 on that machine.
You’re just a brat who doesn’t know how to lift first off, and second off, how to actually use your brain.
If you did graduate, it’s no wonder an indoctrinated mind like yours can’t find a job. You can’t think for yourself.
I would really love to see the look on your face with both of us at the gym.
It’s an all too familiar look. Something worth noting:
The weights I put are even more unbelievable due to my weight.
No one lifts what I do and I’m proud of it, other than the body building team at my gym. They already once made the mistake of thinking I was irrelevant.
I then proceeded to change my routine to match theirs, and now every single chest day and deadlift day I make a point of showing the guy who was rude that I out lift him for my weight class in every single lift except the squat. I’m careful on that one now so I don’t get a serious injury, whereas he still lifts 600 which is quite impressive.
Also Stan,
You don’t know what a skullcrusher is?
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/BBLyingTriExtSC.html
I’m guessing you are a troll. I don’t make up routines.
I have a five day split to maximize my potential.
It is bad to do an extension twice in a row, it limits gains, same with pulls. Legs need to be as far apart as possible to ensure the maximum strength and size gains.
So my days are:
Mon – Off
Tues – Just Chest movements. Flat barbell, incline barbell, decline barbell, and machine fly, This day is short intentionally for a few reasons. It’s to build more muscle for the chest, rather than breaking down muscle with a lengthy workout. It also ensures I can still do a mass movement in a workout and due to the rest of the workout placement with extensions and pulls, it has to be this way to ensure I have a 5th day that still gains muscle and does not impede muscle development for the next day. It also ensures that every day starts with a mass movement. Curls don’t build much strength alone for example. You need to start with a mass movement. For this day, each of the chest routines are all mass builders, and it’s a short day. Which makes it enhanced.
Wednesday: Deadlift (mass movement), back, abs routine. Dumb bell rows, bent over barbell rows, wide arm and narrow grip pull ups, followed by machine pulls of the same for variance. All these are pulls. I throw in lower ab raises because the dead lift actually uses those abs for stabilization, and this increases the gains in the abs. This may sound like a short workout but again, I am emphasizing mass gains.
Thursday: Off.
Friday: Chest dumb bell and biceps. Chest Incline dumb bell, chest flat dumb bell, chest incline fly, and chest flat fly, super set with a bicep routine for each. So for example: I super set chest incline with hammer curls, then I super set chest flat with twists, I intentionally do dumb bells for both chest and bicep this day. Remember my other chest day with just barbell? Barbells build more mass. I don’t want to inhibit my progress by putting barbell and dumb bell together, and furthermore, doing this ensures I have a building day, and then a day which is more oriented to shaping. I also put forearms in here. I do dumb bell for this too, one is leaning over a bench with my hands just over, and pulling my hand up toward my body, the other is standing with my hands to the sides pulling the weight upward with just my forearms, not biceps. I throw in negative dumb bell movements. In this case, I bend down, and stand up to get the weight up, and then I release it slowly with a weight I cannot pull up with my biceps to build the negative muscle, I do this for 4 reps. That’s all I need. It will likely get my bicep curls to 70 soon. I then throw in a dumb bell between my legs at 60lbs, and do weighted dips for decline chest shaping movements. It widens my chest where it connects to the sides by my back. It gives a more full look to the bottom of the chest.
Saturday: Squats. For this I need to make sure I don’t overdo the legs so growth goes well, this also keeps it far away from the dead lift. But it also separates the previous extension and pulls from the next day’s extension and pulls. I do a standard squat, up to 455 pyramid style and super set abs (used in the squat, much like the deadlift it is the negative muscle used for the squat) and calf raises. I use 3 45lbs plates, and a 25lbs to make sure I hit more in tune with 8 reps. Then I go to the leg press, super set with lunges. I used to do 80lbs, but right now I’m hitting 60lbs each arm to hit more reps. I then go to leg extensions, and hamstring curl machine.
Sunday: Tricep / Bicep / Shoulder day. I start with the shoulder shrug (mass movement) super set with a military press barbell, 45lbs and a 10 on each side. Then I super set skull crushers, 145lbs up to my max, with a barbell straight bar curl. I use the “easy bar” (nick name for the curved bars) for a bicep forearm curl, kind of like a jerk and I super set this with a dumb bell shoulder routine of 60 lbs. I alternate days here. One week I will use the straight bar on lower weight, one day the dumb bell. In other words, 100lb dumb bell shoulder press on days where it takes lead, 60 lbs when I do it after the barbell military press. The forearm has two purposes, one the forearm, but it also works the inner section of the bicep as well to shape it, rather than the negative dumb bell which shapes the alternate side. I super set forward and rear laterals. This I do 40 and 25lbs respectively. I throw in a secondary tricep, either bent over and extending my tricep with 40lbs behind my back, or with an overhead dumb bell, 80lbs for 6 up to 100 lbs for 5. I then throw in the shoulder raises with the 45 lbs wheel. So I’m doing 3 sets at any time. I hit cables for the negative form on biceps, and do slow twitch high rep slow movement curls. You have probably seen this movement. It is where the two cables you pull look like you are just showing off your biceps, but it’s a good negative routine.
The chest bicep and the shoulder days are the most intensive on the body building. The dead lift, squat, and only chest days are for mass / strength building.
But I bet you don’t know the difference.
All this with an hour of HIIT cardio each day.
I could kick your @$$ and am not lazy. This is an extremely good routine. It makes me outperform all my peers. You should probably take it. Heck, I’ll coach you if you want. This isn’t including all my variations. I could show you a lot.
I’m not all mean, just when I debate politics with people like you.
The best part in that routine I put is that the shoulder day, actually has multiple mass movements to burn more calories. If you make a workout with mass movements short, you will build muscle. If you make them long, you will burn fat, with a mass movement.
The shoulder shrug and the military barbell press are both mass movements. So is the military shoulder dumb bell, but as I said, I make one of the two lighter, in consideration of that.
Do the routine I just put up.
In fact I’ll even give you the variations. Do 3 sets warming up to a weight you cannot handle more than 6 reps, and then do 4 sets of that weight.
Take my routine. See what it does for you at the end of 3 months. I guarantee, if you are working out like I think you are, that you will make huge gains. If you haven’t had a good routine the starting section is always the most effective. I bet you would lose about 20 lbs in 3 months, and would increase all your lifts by about 20-30%.
I know my crap. Boy.
I was seeing sound before,
Now you’re seeing methadology.
Could you please explain what methadology is?
I get to mock you about this and call you stupid right?
And when I see your routine and how horrible it is,
I get to call you lazy and stupid when it comes to the workout right?
It’s all about power and knowledge eh?
Us republican / libertarians don’t make insults just because someone makes a typo, or doesn’t have a good workout routine.
I’m only mocking you because you mocked me for it. And in the hierarchy world of men, (which you should know by now) if you speak ill of another male’s abilities, you best be able to back up yours.
Sorry to post so much Stan,
But another thing:
If you don’t know what a skullcrusher is, and you legitimately have not done them,
There is no way you can be any bit good in the gym. This might be part of why you think I can’t do what I do.
You probably don’t do the primary mass building movements.
I would bet you do mostly what are considered secondary movements, for shaping, but they don’t work on their own.
For example:
Bicep curls, shoulder laterals, dips, crunches, etc.
These are good secondary movements for shaping. But they do next to nothing alone. They add the little slight differences to a good body. They don’t do the primary sculpting.
Who cares what the public thinks? They are not scientists. Oh, wait, the coal and oil company elected Congress does not think so, and they are not scientists either.
Guess the no voters’ sarcasm detectors are on the fritz. Or, maybe it’s just the Friends of Rick Perry working the blogs.
So Stan, what do you know about being a man? You can’t even take care of yourself and find a job. Your mental maturity is about 8 years old. Aren’t you the one who has been bawling for the past two years that you couldn’t get a job and blaming Conservatives & Republicans for it? Despite about 10 posters on this site giving you helpful hints, you came back to your same bitter theme and obviously didn’t take any of their advice including Libby.
Agent, I have not blamed conservative politicians, I have blamed conservative voters like you. Especially older ones that have taken advantage of cheap housing, education, and healthcare, ruined the environment, and then passed the mess onto us.
Face it, you and your ilk ruined the greatest country on earth and youre too much of a pansy to face up and pay the bill, instead bitching about “liberals” and “lazy millennials” despite the fact that we havent been voting long enough to make a difference nor made any money with which to effect change.
Shut your mouth old man, before someone figures out who you are and stops buying your insurance.
The old people didn’t ruin the country.
Ageism. I love it. Your insanity is quite humorous to watch.
Yes, the did. Dont let the ‘roids ruin your lazy brain, Bob-O.
Such arrogance in this one.
I don’t take ‘roids. Kiddo.
The old people built this country. The politicians broke it. Go pay your respects to your father’s grave if he is dead, or to his face if he is alive.
Or go tell him he ruined it. You can’t honestly say you believe that crap.
I love your mental equations.
I’m lazy and don’t go to the gym.
But if I go as much as I say then I am neglecting my wife and kids and am vain.
But if I don’t go I’m a lazy piece of crap,
But if I do go I’m a vain piece of crap,
It’s like a hamster in a wheel.
You need to lay off the narcotic drugs, boy.
Interesting to find out who was really behind the cap and trade scheme. https://cei.org/op-eds-and-articles/wall-street-extorts-kyoto-protocol-lehman-enron-and-other-cap-and-trade-coincide
Yes, but “believe in”?
I “believe in” a higher power, but I KNOW the climate is changing based on, yes, science.
I am certainly not educated enough to know what is or is not causing climate change. I do however feel that if there is even the smallest chance that we are contributing to this then shouldn’t we do all we can to limit our influence on climate changes? Just throwing out my concern and wondering when it becomes about the future and our children and not who is right or wrong on the cause.
Wayne, I am not a scientist either but I do know that the nightly temperatures in inland cities is warmer than the surrounding rural areas. This leads me to think that population, auto emissions, and concrete create & retain more heat. Seems like if this can happen to one geographical area, it could happen to the entire planet over time.
SW, I think the least of our worries is whether it is warmer in cities than in the country. The overall temperatures of the globe have been cooling for the past 15 years despite all the dire warnings of the leftist crowd and their group of disgraced climatologists. We also have 6 billion humans on the planet now and they all take in oxygen and give off carbon dioxide, pollute etc.
Wayne, you mean like spending trillions with no measurable result?
Yeah: 6 years ago 8 in 10 believed in the Big Lie that was Obama. Point being the American people are not all that smart…..
Joe, the first big lie was by Al Gore promoting his Global Warming theory. When the earth stopped getting warmer, the new theme is man made climate change. Guess what, we have had Climate Change as long as earth has been here. We had Glaciers growing, receding when man was not even on earth. It is all just cyclical change and man has little to do with it. I wonder why our President went to China and agreed to reduce emissions 25% and China had to do nothing until 2030 and they and India are the biggest polluters on earth. Does that make sense?
I concur with Joe Alto. The climate is changing and always will change. The real question is “why?”. Is it a natural reoccurrence as it has done through time or is it because humans are the cause? while there is alleged science to support both positions, my opinion is that it is a natural occurrence. Anyone remember when the “scientists” said that we were about to enter another ice age?
The problem is that politics will find “evidence” to support their agendas.
We should all be good stewards of the earth’s resources.
What if the climate is changing naturally, the natural cycles are 400 years, and the changes to our rainfall, bodies of water, & waterfront cities will cause us harm. Do we ignore it because the solutions are “political” and the changes are “natural”? I just wonder what other kinds of solutions there would be?
SWFL: Obviously. if there is something we could do about it (limit increased construction, enhanced building codes, etc), we should. If the “political” solution is merely to advance an arbitrary agenda, then “no”. If the climate change is naturally occurring, there is nothing “manmade” that we can do about it.
Think about a hurricane, why don’t we try to explode a bomb in the eye while it is over water and away from the population to try to break it up? Our human solutions cannot alter nature.
integrity, if man made Climate Change had any merit, it should be ongoing all the time instead of cyclical. How do we explain that there were almost no hurricane activity on the East Coast this year or Gulf of Mexico? Those boys at Colorado State were really scratching their heads on that. When they say the Arctic Ice Cap is melting, they don’t pay any attention that it actually increased in size. A better explanation might be that the earth may have shifted on its axis some. Also not man’s fault.
Agent is right. I mean hell, how can we even be sure that summer exists since its cold out now?! Or maybe, just maybe, this is a greater phenomenon than one 365 day rotation around the sun.
Nah, that would be dumb. Just like Agent.
Integrity, the idea of exploding bombs into the eye of a hurricane was floated several years ago to try to break them up. The government was afraid it would make them worse so they didn’t try it. Besides, it would probably take a nuke to make any impact on the winds and I don’t think we want to irradiate the planet to get rid of a hurricane.
Agent – Agreed, which is my point. Man’s capabilities against nature is very limited in the scheme of things.
Agreed, Integrity. Merry Christmas.
Thank you and Merry Christmas!
Well said.
Hi integrity. There was a great movie made years ago starring Paul Newman by the name of Cool Hand Luke, you may have seen it. One of the greatest lines in it was by the warden of the prison Newman was in. He had just been caught trying to escape and the warden said was “What we have here is a failure to communicate”. He then put Newman in solitary for a long time to get his mind right.
We seem to have the same problem on this forum. I speak for the Conservative position and they speak for Progressivism and we obviously don’t see eye to eye on much on any subject on this forum. They seem to be especially negative and insulting since they lost the mid terms so badly and have made every excuse they can think of on why the Obama minions lost so badly. One of the favorite excuses was that their side didn’t get out and vote. They didn’t consider that the country as a whole is tired of Progressive politics and Obama in particular so why vote? They say that they will be back in 16 so we should beware when Hillary shows up. Not so much! In Georgetown a few days ago before an auditorium that was less than half full, she made yet another blunder. She said we should be more respectful of our enemies and empathize with their position???? I kept seeing those black hooded ISIS guys cutting the head of Americans. We should make nice with guys that are trying to kill us? I hope the Republican candidate plays that tape over and over along with her recent statement that businesses don’t create jobs. I think that mini stroke has impaired her brain.
Hi Agent. Cool Hand Luke was a classic and I’ve used that line many times (sometimes on my kids!).
I agree with your statements above. If you recall, Obama said similar crap prior to ’08 about negotiating with Iran’s “I’manutjob”.
Honestly, it perplexes me to how blind the progressives are to Obama and company’s lawlessness. I’ve run out of fingers and toes to count the scandals. He is an example of how not to accept responsibility for one’s own actions. This is playing itself out on the streets of Feguson, NY and elsewhere around the country. It is always someone else’s fault. Very sad.
I hope and pray we can get some real leaders for this country. Boehner and McConnell are not real leaders and need to be removed from their positions. We need someone that will stand for the Constitution first and their personal agenda second.
Merry Christmas and/or Happy Hannukah to all. Whichever may apply. If you are a non-believer, enjoy your December and time off. Be safe everyone.
lol Agent, I can only hope that you speak for the conservatives because youre doing more for liberals than anything else. Youre just that dumb.
Stan, I only received one degree, but I am a lot smarter than you are. You got three and can’t even find a job even though you tout Obama as creating millions of them.
The scientific hypothesis of the 1990’s was that man-made global warming was being caused by the use of fossil fuels generating significant CO2, a known greenhouse gas, resulting in the warming of the planet.
Over the past 20 years, CO2 levels have continued to increase and contrary to what, according to science, should have happened, the climate stopped warming; disproving the hypothesis.
Is the climate changing? Probably, but it always has and there is no scientific study that can determine what exactly is the best climate for the Earth. For the continued survival of the human species on the other hand, there is only a rather small window of acceptable climate. Can human activity have an effect on climate? I don’t know, probably not.
In the 4 billion plus year history of the Earth, man has been on it for an incredibly short time, even the dinosaurs had more than 4 times the history we have had thus far and a small rock wiped them out. With that small window of climate where we survive and the probability that the climate is changing, I hope we can have some say in planetary climate…before another rock comes along and ends our time here.
“Is the climate changing? Probably, but it always has” Exactly, Wayne! That’s why I tried to take a poll of IJ posters who do and do not believe the climate is changing (for whatever reason(s).)
If we are all being honest, how could anyone say the climate is NOT changing? We can get into why/how and all the other important questions after…but those are pointless if folks here sincerely believe that the earth’s climate is and will continue to stay the same.
Wayne, man cannot prevent another asteroid or comet from hitting the earth and wiping out most life on it. Our leftist friends say man is causing climate change and some say we need to buy carbon credits on the exchange so Gore can get richer. What a hoax they are trying to put over on the people. It ranks right up there with Obamacare lies.
The most telling comment is: “… but it when it comes to the question ‘What is a concern to you?’ climate change ranks in a lower place,” Rauch said. In other words, BIG YAWN, especially when you consider the overall Earth temperature hasn’t warmed in 15 years.
Please cite a source for that last ridiculous comment.
http://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth%E2%80%99s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade
This is taken from the climate.gov website. When the climate stopped changing on a yearly basis 15-20 years ago, Global Warming was changed to mean the overall average climate over a period of a century or longer. I think this is some of the issue people don’t understand when debating. Our own Govt. agrees the climate has not increased in nearly two decades, but it did rise suddenly in the 60’s & 70’s. Why? Why did it start and why did it stop?
I am no scientist, but considering the other planets in our little galaxy are warming as well (you can find this on NASA’s website), it seems to be a natural cycle of some kind, that or the Martians are all using solar energy. :)
The other thing people don’t seem to understand is the history of glabal warming. From reviewing the link above, there is no doubt the average global temps have increased since the early 1900’s. That being said, why were they increasing before gasoline fueled engines? Why were the ice caps retreating before the industrial revoloution? We do know this has happened before, it’s the “why” we don’t know or understand. Everything to date has been speculation and there are just as many non-believers in global warming as their are believers. 8 in 10 may agree the global temps are increasing, but it doesn’t mean that 8 in 10 believe it is a man-made issue.
I think it’s quite possible the people living in the middle of the earth may have just turned up their furnace, or maybe they are burning more wood for some reason. We’ll find out why they went underground when the Rover on Mars finds the direct link between our two worlds, provided it doesn’t fall off the edge of the planet first. :)
That’s exactly the point Rosenblatt was trying to make, UCT. There is no doublt the climate is changing. He never said (and neither did I) that it was caused by man. Only that it is happening. The people that refuse to accept that fact are just plain ignorant.
It’s important we find out why, so that if there is anything we can do to have an effect on it we can do so. I don’t understand why everyone is so up in arms about this.
uct, have you considered that solar flares may have something to do with weather on this planet? They seem to be erupting more frequently than in the past and the radiation does make it to earth. The thing that upsets me the most is that the wacko environmentalists who keep saying it is “man’s” fault that the weather is changing without any proof. Gore was and is the biggest charlatan of the past century foisting his hoax on the nation.
Solar flares?!?!?!?! Agent, surely youre mocking yourself now??!!
You are an adult human being!!! LOL how dumb can you possibly be?!?!?!
It could be a factor Agent. Just how much, we don’t know.
“NOAA scientists have determined that four factors determine our worldwide temperatures. They are carbon dioxide levels, volcanic eruptions, Pacific El Niño pattern, and the Sun’s activity. Global climate change including long-term periods of global cold, rainfall, drought, and other weather shifts may also be influenced by solar cycle activity, based on historical evidence.”
Good Libby. See, I agreed with you. Too bad your incorrigible friend is so closed minded to any possible explanation. I have seen the videos on the solar flares and heard the commentary that it could be very detrimental to earth, particularly if it continues. Those astronauts in the space station are concerned as well.
Even more reason to figure out what’s causing this change. It may be outside of our control, but maybe there are some things we could do to improve the outcome.
Agent, I never get tired of your stupid attacks on Al Gore. It makes me laugh every time. Keep campaigning against him. It’s such a great strategy.
How ’bout that Nixon guy? What a f-up…huh?
insurance, I wasn’t a fan of Nixon, particularly when he got in trouble and tried to cover it up. Of course, the Watergate mess did not result in the death of 4 Americans. How about the impeached, but not removed Clinton? Wasn’t he a sweetheart? Now, we have a President with numerous impeachable offenses, but he is likely to stay in because opponents would be called racists if they impeached him.
Sources? Do you think imposing carbon taxes on the American People will help anything? How about making gas out of algae or cow dung? Electric cars have not caught on. Obama promised 1 million electric cars would be on the highways by 2015. He is only 826,000 short on that goal and Volts are gathering dust in GM’s lot. No one wants them. Fisker is already bankrupt after receiving loans from the government. We have seen the other schemes about green energy and they don’t pan out and are another huge waste of taxpayer money.
Why are you arguing with me about this? I’ve never said I was a proponent of algae or cow dung. As far as electric cars and emissions, I remember when the whole of Denver was covered with a cloud of smog that hung over the city constantly because of the inversion caused by the mountains. Denver skyline is now as beautiful a view as the front range due to controlling carbon emissions. So, for that simple fact I’m all for clean air.
Libby, most of the cities in the country have better air than they did 20 years ago. All I did was ask you some simple questions on policies your President has been doing? A simple yes or no would suffice. You have to argue about everything. Stan can’t say yes or no to a simple survey.
Just because I voted for the man doesn’t mean I agree with every one of his policies or positions. I have a mind of my own and I use it.
It is time for another survey. This one is on Narcissistic Personality Disorder. A simple yes or no will be all that is required. Do you think President Obama displays any of the classic traits of NPD?
1. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love.
2.Believes that he is “special” and unique and can only be understood by or should associate with other special or high status people
3. Requires excessive admiration.
4. Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g. unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his expectations.
5. Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends.
6. Lacks empathy, is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
7. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
8. Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.
Agent, this is a meaningless quiz, dumbass. It’s reminiscent of the kind of quiz like they give in Seventeen magazine to see if you’re “totes going to get an adorbs boyfriend over the winter holiday lolz!”
Answer: you’re not.
Dumbass? You should be banned from the site.
Bc of the word dumbass? Grow up Jenny. Adults are hard on each other. This isnt kindergarten.
I’m just saying let’s all try to be professional here. We can disagree without name calling. Insurance has enough image problems without resorting to that.
Well Jenny, you have made only a few comments and already ran afoul of Libby & Stan and been insulted for your trouble. There is nothing professional about either one of them. They are merely leftist ideologues who scream, rant and insult and they are Obama Messiah worshippers who think he can do no wrong and exhibit many of the same traits he does on the Narcissistic Personality Disorder which is a mental disease.
This is who you’re defending Jenny, the man who believes that the president of the united states has a mental disease because he disagrees with his policies.
Agent, do you have to stop walking when you talk in order to avoid getting a headache?
I agree with you Jenny. I wish we could keep this place professional while not resorting to childish name calling and insults. I wish you the best of luck – I’ve found that to be extremely difficult.
Jenny, you are probably a very reasonable and intelligent woman. And I have no reason not to respect both your opinion and you as a person. But this board is a cesspool of insults, and Agent is the worst offender. To greet him with polity is to do reason a great disservice.
Said the pot to the kettle.
Stan, stop being a hypocrite before you start preaching.
I am not a hypocrite; I am all for the insults. Which is why I am comfortable calling you and Agent both foolish and very likely ugly. Let me guess, you’re a Texan too?
Wrong on all three guesses, Sparky!
Wise, handsome and a Pennsylvanian! Former Marylander, but got out of that liberal hell hole a long time ago. (My humbleness astounds me…just kidding haha!)
I think you should be careful at thinking who is foolish. You are the one that keeps believing in Obama and his lies.
Obama = liar. Rock-solid analysis there, Integrity. You realize that PA went for Obama last time around, right? Maybe you guys arent as dumb as you look. Def better than Texas.
Stan…So you are admitting that Obama is a liar. And, you obviously follow and agree with him (probably worship him, too). Who’s the fool??
Maybe stupid is more appropriate that you WANT a liar to be your leader.
I know I don’t!!
No, I was making fun of your reasoning. Go hang with Agent.
You’re response smells like a lie, Stan-nyboy.
So, now you don’t think Obama has lied at all, about anything?
Either you are a liar or really stupid!! Which one is it, Staaaan?
I’m guessing liar because your leader is a liar.
Yes. To virtually the entire list!
integrity, these Progressive Liberals don’t understand what Narcissim is since most of them fit the same behavior. They can’t take any criticism and it is well known Obama is about as thin skinned as they come. If we criticize his policies, we are racists. Gruber thought the American people to be “stupid” and couldn’t make choices about Healthcare. Progressives think they are smarter than everyone else and throw in the elitist mentality and you have a very bad situation. It is good that the mid terms stopped them in their tracks. Now, they can complain about Conservatives for the next two years after Obama vetos everything put in front of him. They will say Congress is dysfunctional and stymies Obama’s best efforts of using the pen to implement his Executive Orders.
Agent, you are in fact too stupid. Maybe he was right. And the mid-terms didnt stop anything, Obama is moving forward with his executive order. Bummer, bro. I guess you have to listen to the liberals after all. Thanks goodness, since were all so much smarter than you.
integrity, Libby said not so long ago that she thinks Obama has been honest and forthright with the American People with what he has done or tried to do. There are 2,920 days in an 8 year term. That is a lot of lies since there is usually a daily one from this President.
It isn’t a quiz, bright eyes, but a simple survey. Still can’t follow instructions I see. How much time did you spend in 3rd grade in the time out corner with a dunce cap on your head because of interrupting the teacher or talking back to her?
Rosenblatt had no better luck than I did and I wasn’t surprised at all on your nasty comment. Go take a long walk on a short pier.
A dunce hat?! How old are you Agent? 130?
Go fry ice, Old Man.
Agent – you really need to stop posting fiction here. “Rosenblatt had no better luck than I did” — actually, I had WAY better luck than you. Numerous people have just posted a simple “yes” or “no” since my poll and only a couple (yourself included) have written insults with their reply.
In addition to your false statement that you had the same amount of luck as I with getting people to reply “yes” or “no”, your poll is absurd. My poll was based off this article, your poll was based off some random questions you pulled out of your a$$.
I am having a tough time taking you seriously — you got upset when I supposedly didn’t call out Stan, but you didn’t acknowledge I did it when I replied to you. You then got upset because I didn’t use his actual name, when anyone with basic reading comprehension skills can see it’s obvious I was talking to him — again, you didn’t acknowledge this. You get upset when I supposedly don’t know right from wrong, when I’m just deciding not to comment if something is right or wrong, and again you don’t respond to that. Now you lump me into your poll saying you didn’t have any better luck than I with this poll, and you’re just flat out wrong again.
I can’t tell if you’re a troll, someone who doesn’t have basic reading comprehension skills or someone who intentionally twists facts to suit your narrative. All I know is each time I respond to your absurd claims, you seem to ignore my posts and instead go on insulting people.
Stay classy, Agent (yup – this line is sarcasm)
Rosenblatt, you really need to review the posts before commenting. The very first response to your survey was incorrigible Stan insulting me. You didn’t call him out by name, but just expressed frustration. Stan is the one who should be called out by name every time he goes into his serial insulting mode. In fact, about 98% of his posts are insults since he has nothing to contribute. My post about not having any better luck than you was strictly about Stan since he was the first to post and insult and not follow instructions. By the way, the survey I posted are the classic traits of NPD which is quite evident with POTUS. It is a mental disease. Stay classy and try to read more carefully next time.
Agent – once again, you’re wrong and I guess I need to point it out to you again.
I bet you’ll either (1) not reply to this or (2) post a reply that says something different than what you just wrote with a line similar to, “what I wrote is not what I meant” and basically telling me that I can’t take your posts at face value and I need to read into what you meant to write but didn’t.
Stan was NOT the first person to post a reply to my poll. See the first post under my poll with the word “yes” in it? See the name? Yeah, that’s my name right there next to the first reply to my poll. After my “yes” is when Stan posted his reply, thereby making his reply the second response to the poll.
You can easily see that in the thread. Your claim that he posted the first reply is blatantly false and the evidence is right above you. His post was not the “very first response to your survey” as you falsely claim.
Also, I have already told you multiple times that while I didn’t call Stan out by name, anyone with basic reading comprehension skills can see he was the only one besides me who posted something so I must have been talking about him. Do you disagree it’s obvious I was referencing Stan’s reply? It should be obvious to anyone that since I wasn’t calling myself out for posting an insult (which I didn’t do), I was calling out the only other person who did reply at that time.
How is “Man, we can’t even get two comments before the challenge fails (replying with a simple yes or no, without adding additional comments or insults). That’s sad.” any different than “Man, we can’t even get two comments before the challenge fails (replying with a simple yes or no, without adding additional comments or insults). That’s sad, Stan.”?
What’s the big deal there kiddo? One freaking word got added. It doesn’t change anything. Anyone who reads the comments in order would’ve already known I was talking about Stan before I wrote his name at the end.
This is getting absurd. We can’t even agree if Stan made the first or second post to my poll yet the evidence is right there for anyone to see. Let’s try to stick to that point and see if we can actually agree that I posted the poll, then I posted the FIRST reply, which means Stan then posted the SECOND reply. Do you agree with me on that order? It’s worthless talking about anything else if I can’t even get you to agree about that.
I told you, Rosenblatt, Agent is a first class dipshit of the highest order. It’s like trying to reason with someone who doesn’t believe in gravity. The idea that you can have substantive, fact-filled debate with that kind of animal is a fantasy unfortunately. I suggest using him for what he’s good for: a caricature of the foolish republican right (he doesnt do much for the state of Texas either).
Agent, also, youre ugly.
Rosenblatt, you shouldn’t count yourself as the first comment since you put out the survey. I don’t know anyone who responds to their own survey. If you want to parse words, give poor Stan a break by not calling him out and to knock it off, that is your business. Let’s agree that he was the first other person to respond and did it with an insult and you didn’t call him out on it. A simple admonition by name is all that is called for. Stan didn’t get the message, obviously as he doesn’t at any time. He is merely an uninformed insulting troll of the highest magnitude.
Agent, thanks for the kind words. Glad to know that you’re a fan. But I still don’t accept your apology, no matter how much you beg.
“You shouldn’t count yourself as the first comment since you put out the survey”
Disagree. It’s still counts as a comment even if it’s done by the person who wrote the initial post.
“I don’t know anyone who responds to their own survey”
I did it to ensure my belief is taken into consideration when determining who on this site agrees the climate is changing. While I asked the question, that does not bar me from participating in the poll and having my vote count.
“Let’s agree that he was the first other person to respond”
Agreed as it’s the same freaking thing I asked you to agree to – he was the second person, right behind me, to reply to the poll. So, thank you for finally agreeing with me that I posted the first reply and Stan posted the second reply.
“and did it with an insult”
Agreed
“and you didn’t call him out on it.”
Disagree
“A simple admonition by name is all that is called for”
Says you. I say me posting the subsequent comment of “we couldn’t get 2 comments before an insult, that’s sad” clearly implies I’m referencing the only person who wrote an insult at that time.
This back and forth is going nowhere fast. Even when you agree with me, you can’t be an adult and just admit it – you have to tweak the words and ask if I agree with your statement instead. I’m done unless something new is brought up.
Agent, just because you lay down “instructions” does not mean other readers must follow them. That is, unless you are the ruler of the internet anywhere other than in your own mind.
Your arrogance is astounding.
Hey insurance! Just because Rosenblatt lays down instructions does not mean other readers must follow them either. Obviously, he had some issues with Stan not following his instructions without ranting. I am not the ruler of the internet and neither is he or you. I admit to not knowing how to hack someone’s identity either.
Hey Agent – I’m an adult, I can speak for myself.
First, you don’t give the full story — you could’ve admitted it was Stan AND you that both threw out insults in my poll, not just referencing Stan’s comment — you only reference what may help your current argument and leave the rest out (which is necessary to provide accurate context of what I’ve said).
Worse than that – you have already failed numerous times to understand what I’ve written (see the prior “reading comprehension fail” responses just in this thread). Telling others what I “obviously” had issues with when, on multiple occasions just in this thread, you yourself haven’t understood my intent or meaning numerous times.
I wanted to stay out of this thread, but you pulled me right back in when you decided you were going to speak for me and tell others what I meant or what I took offense to, knowing full well that you have not understood what I wrote multiple times in this comment section yourself. That’s disingenuous, to say the least.
Do you want me to apologize to you that I reacted to Stan’s insult instead of just giving you a yes or no answer to your survey? I am just supposed to take it and give him a pass?? You said you didn’t know whether it was right or wrong to have my identity hacked and broadcast over the forum. Who is being disingenuous here and being dishonest? Being hacked is about as big an insult on this site as you can get. You should have said it was an outrage and reported booger to IJ like many others have done. Instead, you continue to express outrage that I don’t go along and be meek about Stan. I have seen your true color and it is blue, just like the losers you voted for in the mid terms.
More insults from Agent, and yet hes the one complaining about tone. Agent, stop being such a baby. My goodness, it’s no wonder Texas loses every war it’s ever started, what with all the cowards and whiners within its borders.
You also dont know anything about computers if you think what happened was getting “hacked.”
Try getting on twitter or facebooks for once, bro. You might learn a thing or two.
Oh my god Agent, I can’t believe you’re actually as dense as you come across in these posts. I sincerely hope you’re just being a really “good” troll.
“You said you didn’t know whether it was right or wrong to have my identity hacked and broadcast over the forum.”
Seriously – you’re bringing this up again? I DID NOT SAY THAT AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS. Here, let me post this again and hopefully it’ll sink in this time:
I decided NOT to say if I think it was right or wrong, which is totally different than me saying I don’t actually know if it was right or wrong.
Stop twisting my words around!! No, I don’t want you to apologize. No, I don’t want you to just “take it and give him a pass.” You know what I want from you? Two things, that’s all. (1) Admit I never said that I didn’t know if having your identity revealed was right or wrong, just that I abstained from commenting on it, which are 2 totally different things. (2) Stop calling it “identity theft” when nobody stole your identity (illegal), they just revealed it (legal). These are 2 totally different things, too.
“Who is being disingenuous here and being dishonest?” Dude, that’s you 100%. You keep claiming I said something different than what I actually said, and you keep calling it “identity theft” when nobody stole your identity. I’ve been patient, I’ve responded to every concern you’ve raised, some points multiple times, and you keep misquoting what I’ve said to suit whatever your current post is all about. Everything I’ve written has been true and honest, which clearly is a foreign concept to you.
PS – Didn’t I just get done telling you that I can speak for myself? “…just like the losers you voted for in the mid terms.” That’s absurdly wrong on so many levels, but I’ll just make one point to prove your wrong again – I didn’t even vote in the mid-terms!
*you’re wrong, not your
Agent, no one hacked your identity you twit. The posted your identity so you can be identified. Not that it matters since no one cares who you are (youre a nobody, Agent. Welcome to the club).
Really, youre only remarkable trait is your ability to be a dick, then complain when other people are mean to you. Quite the pariah.
Rosenblatt, you could have saved yourself a lot of blog time defending your statements if you had just admitted that what was done to me is abominable and condemn it. Booger, Libby, Stan are the worst of the trolls on this site and should be held accountable. Instead, you just continue to parse words. Don’t worry, they have been reported to IJ by me and several others who find this behavior on a blog terrible. How about another survey? Question – Is it appropriate to hack someone’s ID on the IJ forums and broadcast it to the whole forum and then mock and threaten someone? A simple yes or no answer please.
Wait a second, Agent – sooooooooooo, (1) do you now agree that I never said I didn’t know if the identity reveal was right or wrong, only that I said I was not commenting on it? Do you now agree that you were wrong when you said twice that (basically) shame on me for not knowing right from wrong? (2) Do you also agree that your identity was revealed and not stolen? I’m waiting for your responses on that, then I’ll reply to your survey question.
FYI – I think it’s “hilarious” you keep saying I’m parsing words and implying that’s a bad thing. That’s EXACTLY what must be done when someone (you) doesn’t understand what another person is actually saying and misconstruing intent and meaning.
Agent, just so YOU know I have reported you to IJ several times for your trolling as well. Your dumbassery is making us all more foolish. I wont rest until youre called to account for your actions.
Ban Agent!
Rosenblatt, I think I am through with you on the comments. If you are not going to condemn Booger, Libby and Stan on what they have done and perpetrated, just say so and we are done. A simple yes or no will suffice.
Agent – like I already told you, I’ll be happy to answer your question about hacking/broadcasting your info in these comments as soon as you answer the two outstanding questions I asked you first:
1) Do you agree I previously said I was abstaining from saying what they did to you was right or wrong, which is different than your claims that I didn’t know if it was right or wrong?
2) Do you agree that identity theft did not occur, rather they revealed your identity, and these two phrases mean two different things?
Agent, do you agree that Texas sucks and that youre an idiot? I thought so.
I think 3rd grade was the hardest 5 years of his life!
Man…that went far down on the list. This was in reference to Agent’s comment about Stan’s dunce cap in 3rd grade.
LOL Nailed it!
Moron.
integrity, do they still give kids time out in school and make them face a corner if they act up? Maybe a trip to the principal or vice principal with a call to the parent? My kids are all grown now, so I don’t know.
Oh, so you mean youre out of touch with whats actually happening today, Agent?
Shocker.
What a complete load of garbage. Of course the climate is changing, it’s not a question of belief, it’s a natural occurrence. Violent and apocalyptic change is what made the earth what it is today. It’s a fact that as the population increases, a natural strain on the ecosystem and resources occurs. How arrogant are some people to think that we can control this.
a) GREAT avatar/user name reference!
b) “Of course the climate is changing” — apparently that’s not obvious to 2 out of the 10 in the survey referenced in the article and the informal poll taken in this comment section.
There are still people who believe the climate is not changing — regardless of the reason(s) why, such as man-made climate change or natural/cyclical climate changed — they just don’t believe any of the evidence which proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the climate is changing (as it has for 4+ billion years and will continue to do so well past the time the planet is habitable for humans).
When an actual scientist and a Fox News scientist get together in a one-on-one debate, it makes it look like the topic is a 50/50 tossup…when actually, the real scientist has 97% (or so) of science in his/her corner, and the Fox News scientist has only 1 or 2% backing him up. It’s not a fair fight.
The real problem is that people assume what climate change means. So the survey could be erroneous because it was not specifically defined.
Taken literally, of course the climate changes, all the time.
People assume what is meant by climate change (i.e. man-made vs. natural occurrence) and make their responses accordingly. Once again, it is usually the agenda that sets the tone of the survey.
Remember the adage…figures lie and liars figure. Obama is the master of this.
integrity, Progressives and Obama are the masters of lies and deception. It is nice Grubergate came out to reveal all those lies and deception to get Obamacare passed since the stupid voters had to be deceived to get it passed. Lies have a way of catching up to the perpetrators. They have painted themselves into a corner and all they can do is snarl and hurl insults and deny what has happened to them.
Agent, do you live in Austin? You seem like a closet hippie Austin liberal. I bet you drive a Prius.
No Stan, I wouldn’t live in Austin since it is purple with all those liberal students and professors. Thank goodness the rest of the state is red and we beat Wendy Davis by nearly a million votes. Where did you get the idea I am liberal? Surely not from my posts. I have no reason to be like you. By the way, I drive a very large, powerful SUV with all the bells and whistles. Do you have to take the subway or bus. I am sure you couldn’t maintain and drive anything or even afford the Auto Insurance on it.
lol yeah, you would hate to be all those people with educations and good jobs and innovative companies. You would def. stick out.
And im so thrilled you told us about your big old SUV. Sounds like youre compensating for something, Agent. Are you insecure about something other than your looks, personality, and general intelligence?
Hey integrity, do you remember Obama back in 08 campaigning on rising gas prices? His favorite statement was that you can’t simply drill your way to lower prices. Guess what, I think you can and we have. Technology in drilling has led to lower prices and coupled with OPEC having a big feud, there is more oil now and prices have plummeted. I don’t know what you are paying at the pump now, but in our area, some stations have regular unleaded at $1.99 per gallon and it isn’t from algae or cow dung produced fuel.
Agent – I remember. Just about everything Obama says turns out to be a lie and the decisions he makes turns out to be bad or wrong.
Yes integrity, This President is on quite a streak now. The lies and deception about his policies, his out of control government doing the wrong thing for America. The last two years will be him vetoing Republican legislation, suits on about every subject including immigration and investigations of every department and agency. Republicans should keep piling that legislation on his desk every week and see how much of an obstructionist he wants to be.
Yes, I like to win if I am in a wreck. If I ever hit one of your favorite liberal Priuses, I would squash it. Of course I am accident free for 10 years. The last one I had, one of your low information voters with no license, no insurance and a record a mile long t-boned me after he ran a red light from a block away.
That was an expensive U/M claim. Good thing I had excellent coverage and paid everything except for the $250PD deductible.
Glad to see that youre ok, the Democrats would be in real trouble if we lost you.
I have news for you Stan. Democrats are already in real trouble. The results of the election show that. The latest loss is Mary Landrieu in La who lost by 12 points Saturday. The voters there provided her with a cardboard box to start packing up and vacating the office. She can send her boxes over to her $1.5 million mansion in DC since she won’t be returning to La anytime soon.
Hey Agent – I think we should create a sign for the next protest. Something like – “Please do not try to arrest me after I break the law. I might die resisting arrest and it will be your fault.”
I think we can make millions so the Dems can tax have and give it back to the illegal immigrants and takers of society. What do you think?
Well, the lame duck short timers don’t have much time to load up some pork and do as much damage as possible. Come January, it is all coming to a screeching halt. We want responsible government and legislation that does not favor special interests. The economy is the most important issue to most Americans.
integrity, I get sick of these pro athletes mimicking Hands Up and wearing tee shirts saying – I can’t breathe. I saw an interview on Hannity with a Sheriff and he said if people don’t want to be harmed by Police, they should start obeying an officer when he says to get down on the ground and put their hands behind their back. Not one case of Police brutality has been made when people obey the officer. They can file a grievance in court if they have a problem. These people think they can resist arrest and charge an officer and nothing bad will happen to them.
“Not one case of Police brutality has been made when people obey the officer.” I understand your point, but do you just feel that is true or has that actually been investigated and there is evidence to prove the police have NEVER beaten anyone who complied with their requests in the history of this country?
Rosenblatt, you are sounding more like Ron every day. How about you proving that Police brutality exists when the offender follows the orders of Police and gets down on the ground face down. I have not seen a single story in the newspapers, TV or internet where this has ever happened. I have seen numerous stories where they have taken a suspect into custody and hauled him off in cuffs after he followed orders. Hands up, hands behind your head, get on the ground are not difficult to understand. Cops would rather that things go peacefully and they don’t have to injure or kill someone, unlike the stories we see demonizing Police.
Agent, why so angry?
You made a statement — police have never beaten anyone who complied with their requests — and I politely asked you if this was something you felt to be true or if there was some evidence to support your statement.
I also acknowledged that I understood the point you were trying to make.
I couldn’t have been any nicer — relax guy.
FWIW – if person 1 makes a statement and person 2 asks if they have any evidence to support their statement, it is NOT person’s 2 responsibility to prove person 1 was wrong.
After all…I NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED THAT YOU WERE WRONG!! I just wanted to know if you FELT your statement was true or if you had something to support it.
We’re not even debating anything right now – I just asked you a freaking question which, as usual for you, you didn’t actually answer in your response.
“Not one case of Police brutality has been made when people obey the officer. They can file a grievance in court if they have a problem”
I beg to differ. I definitely don’t think all police officers are bad people out to hurt citizens. But to say that they don’t exist, and that there aren’t bad cops who abuse their positions and brutalize people who aren’t resisting is just not true.
For example. This was in the Washington Post a couple of days ago:
“Knox County cop fired immediately after photos show brutal choking of student
Usually, after charges of police brutality, police officials take their time reacting while they follow procedure to determine who did what. But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately.
Frank Phillips, a Knox County Sheriff’s officer, was fired Sunday night after a series of pictures taken by photographer John Messner were published in the Daily Mail in Britain. They showed an officer identified by the Sheriff’s Office as Phillips grabbing 21-year-old college student Jarod Dotson around the neck and squeezing him until he fell to his knees…”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/04/28/knoxville-cop-fired-immediately-after-photos-show-brutal-choking-of-student/
BS, I believe you are a little too politically correct. You conveniently left off that the guy was told repeatedly to go back inside, resisted arrest and grabbed at an officers leg. The video does not show a choke hold. Yes, the officer pushed him to the ground. This is nothing like what happened in NY. If they want to fire the cop for this, that is their business.
I wasn’t being politically correct. I was showing that your statement that police brutality never happens when a subject is obeying was incorrect.
Whether he had refused to go inside or had grabbed at an officer’s leg previously, is irrelevant. That was not the case at that moment, in that video. At that moment, he simply was standing with his arms behind his back while another officer switched out the cuffs they had on him. Phillips then went up, put his hands around his neck, and strangled him until he collapsed. That wasn’t a restraining move, or a choke hold, that was battery.
Like I said above, I definitely don’t think all cops are bad. But, that doesn’t mean that NO cops are bad, and I think this incident illustrates that.
Are you blind Agent? You said the video does not show a choke hold, but the first picture shows the officer choking the suspect and the second image is an animated *.gif which I feel clearly shows 2 other cops were handcuffing the suspect when the third cop came around and started to choke the suspect.
I would like to discuss this single discrepancy with you, so please try to stay on point when replying.
Are you looking at the same link/images that I am, which came from BS’s link?
If so, do the two images I mentioned appear on your monitor, with the second image being an animated *.gif?
If so, can you please explain why you think those two images do not actually show the officer choking the suspect?
I’m very interested to read your response.
PS: A choke hold is defined as “a general term for grappling hold that critically reduces or prevents either air (choking) or blood (strangling) from passing through the neck of an opponent.”
A person who restricts restricts air/blood flow using a grappling maneuver is executing a choke hold, regardless of what position the people may be in (choking from the rear and choking from the front are both choke holds – it doesn’t matter if the officer was in front of or behind the person when they restricted their air/blood flow).
BS & Rosenblatt, the video was at best inconclusive. I saw no discomfort on the perps face and he didn’t collapse, but was pushed down to the ground. Do you agree that he disobeyed prior orders to leave and go inside? I don’t think that is obeying officers orders. That has to be the lightest “choke” hold I have ever seen. It was more like the officer resting his hands on the side of the face. I choke hold is much more violent and I think the other officers would have stepped in and stopped it if it became violent.
Here Agent. This is a single picture of the officer and the offender. Please note the officer’s hands. Where they are quite obviously around the man’s throat. And with what appears to be some force, based on the officer’s face and the skin rolls on the offender’s neck.
And once again, it does not matter if he refused to go back inside earlier. And it does not matter if he had tried to grab an officer’s leg earlier. At that moment, he was docile. He was standing compliantly with his hands behind his back, while the other two officers to switched out his handcuffs. There was absolutely no need to strangle him until he went to his knees.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=http://img.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2014/04/UT-Disturbance-300.jpg&w=1484
“Do you agree that he disobeyed prior orders to leave and go inside?” I did not bring this up, so I’ll let BS answer the question you asked him.
I have to say Agent – you’re something else, man. Now you state it looks more like “the officer was resting his hands on the side of the face.”
Really dude? It’s time for a new pair of glasses.
Click the first image to get a zoomed-in look of that static image. Go ahead, click the pic…I’ll wait….
Can you now see that the officer CLEARLY has BOTH hands around the guy’s NECK, below the suspect’s ears? I have no idea what the h3ll you’re looking at to claim otherwise.
“I saw no discomfort on the perps face” Are you implying it’s only a choke hold if the other person makes a facial expression showing discomfort? Pretty sure you can choke someone even if they’re not giving you a sad face – those who like that kind of rough stuff in their personal time wouldn’t be giving a sad face while being choked, but they’re still being choked!
Listen – if we can’t even agree that the picture here clearly shows the cop’s hands are around the guy’s neck, I don’t know how we will ever see eye to eye (pun intended).
Don’t know if you saying otherwise because you like to argue, because you’re daft, or because you really can’t tell if those cop hands are around the guy’s neck or his cheeks.
Either way, it wouldn’t kill you to admit you were wrong and say that you actually do see what we can all see in that picture – cop hands around a suspect’s neck.
That’s been my only point in this discussion: you claimed there is no evidence of a choke hold in that article, but that is clearly and blatantly false as there’s a picture of cop hands around that guy’s neck.
Do you still believe the cop was NOT using his hands to apply some kind of pressure to the neck of the suspect?
I want to state up front that I did not see the video. The pictures indicate the bald officer is potentially choking the perp.
That said, the fact remains that the perp ORIGINALLY resisted arrest and displayed aggression to the cops. The videography does not state when he started filming, so he may not have seen him initially resisting.
It is so easy for bystanders and Monday morning QB’s to say what the cop should have done. If I am a cop and deal with scumbags trying to hurt me, I am not going to give them a 2nd chance to hurt me. If the perp was again told to get on the ground and did not comply, he is still resisting, regardless of whether his physical actions make him appear that he is resisting.
One final comment, where is Rev’s Jackson and Sharpton with the police brutality allegations? I guess white-on-white is alright with them. I didn’t notice anyone burning down the town either.
Integrity – I completely agree with all your non-Reverend points.
By no means am I saying what SHOULD have happened, nor am I second-guessing the officer’s decision in the heat of the moment, nor am I stating what might have occurred before or after the image in discussion right now.
The recent item I’ve been talking about was an issue I had with Agent’s statement that he felt the cop wasn’t choking the suspect and that his beliefs were supported by the video and image which, to him, showed a cop resting his hands on the cheeks of the suspect.
I just don’t see how anyone could look at that image — especially the zoomed-in one BS posted recently — and come to any conclusion which differs from “yup – I see the hands of that one officer are wrapped around the neck/throat of the suspect while there are two other cops behind the suspect handcuffing him.”
That’s my only point right now.
See, here’s my issue with the “he’d been resisting” argument…
I think saying that it’s OK for an officer to use/continue to use unnecessary force after an offender has been subdued if the offender had initially resisted is very dangerous. That’s allowing for police to be punitive and even retaliatory if someone doesn’t do what they want, when they want. And, that could be just as dangerous for the officers as any offender. If a criminal gets into a struggle with a police officer, I’d bet even money that he’ll fight harder and more desperately if he knows that the officer will be allowed to continue to beat/strangle/hurt him if he surrenders. If a criminal knows that he’s likely to be hurt, even if he surrenders, what’s the incentive for giving up? That puts officers at an even greater risk than they already face daily.
Once someone is down and no longer resisting, that should be it. Cuff them and get them in the car. That’s it. I understand that police officers are human, and that sometimes it’s hard to reign the adrenaline in. But as police officers, they need to stay above the fray, and be able to take a step back and not take one last shot at someone who’s given up.
I’m not saying this kid didn’t deserve to be arrested. He definitely did. But he didn’t deserve to be strangled. Not when he had his hands behind his back and was complying with the officers.
Hey integrity, did you see the story that the Columbia Law School students were so traumatized by Ferguson and Staten Island incidents that they requested the school delay their final exams. Translation: They needed to go out and block some bridges and streets and scream at the Police and they didn’t have time to study.
BS, did you happen to notice the officers right hand with almost all fingers showing behind the perps neck. Doesn’t it take two hands to strangle someone? Yes, he was being restrained. Yes, he was drunk. Yes, he disobeyed officers orders to leave. Why do you think three officers were handling one man who is standing there compliantly? Perhaps he had caused some trouble prior to the video being taped and resisted arrest. Ever think of that?
The officer was squeezing his neck, Agent. How can you argue what’s in the picture? You can clearly see the fingers on both hands squeezing guy’s neck. The only reason why the fingers on the right hand are sticking up higher is because he was also holding his baton in that hand.
Three men weren’t handling him. He had been walked back to the police van, already in handcuffs, and two officers were swapping the deputy’s cuffs out for ones from the van. He wasn’t resisting, but Phillips still came up and strangled him until he passed out.
Should he have been arrested? Yes. Especially if they were throwing bottles at the police. But strangling someone who is not resisting being handcuffed, is just unnecessary police brutality.
“According to photographer John Messner, some college students began to throw beer bottles at police, who called for backup from the Knox County Sheriff’s office
Dotson was arrested and handcuffed, then walked a block to a waiting police van at the University of Tennessee.
He went willingly and did not resist arrest, said Messner.
When they got to the police van, the arresting deputy’s handcuffs were removed from the young man’s wrists and replaced with cuffs from the vehicle.
During the brief moment his wrists were uncuffed, Dotson let his arms fall by his sides.
As two officers twist his arms behind his back, another deputy walks in front of the young man and wraps his hands around his neck.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614386/Tennessee-police-photographed-choking-unresisting-college-student-passes-out.html#ixzz3Lco2V34h
“Doesn’t it take two hands to strangle someone?”
Hahahaha, that’s hilarious. No – you don’t need 2 hands. H3ll, you don’t even need 1 hand. All you need is one finger and a thumb.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080502203523AA78a02
Time for another survey Rosenblatt.
Is it ok for young punks to disregard Police who were called to the scene, disregard instructions to leave the scene several times, throw bottles at the Police and resist arrest?
A simple yes or no will suffice!
No
But once they stop resisting, it doesn’t entitle the arresting officers to take one last shot at them. Once the ‘punk’ surrenders, it needs to be over. The officer doesn’t get to give him one last punch, kick or strangle for good measure.
Agent – once you show me some courtesy and answer EVEN JUST ONE of the 5 things I’ve asked you in this thread, I’ll be happy to answer another one of your questions.
I’m not playing your game until you start playing fair.
I’ve answered at least 5 of your questions and besides the first “No” to my original survey, you haven’t bothered to take the time to answer anything else I’ve asked you.
Here are some of the questions you’ve ignored in this thread in case you want to answer one to get me to reply to your survey:
1) Do you agree your identity was revealed, not stolen?
2) Do you agree I never said I wasn’t sure if your identity being revealed was right or wrong, only that I said I wasn’t going to comment on if it was right or wrong?
3) Do you just feel that no suspect has ever been beaten by police when they’ve complied with the cop’s request, or has that actually been investigated and there is evidence to support your statement?
4) Did you mean to imply that it’s only a choke hold if the other person makes a facial expression showing discomfort?
5) Do you still believe the cop was NOT using his hands to apply some kind of pressure to the neck of the suspect even when seeing that zoomed-in image and knowing that you can choke someone with only 2 fingers, so it’s not necessary to use both hands to choke someone?
You answer one of my outstanding questions and I’ll answer your most recent one. Fair and square. Can’t wait to see what you decide to do.
Agent: poor, poor students. Once again, no one wants to be held responsible for their own actions.
integrity, are these the students we hear about that can’t find a job after graduating and wonder why employers won’t take a chance on them?
Rosenblatt, I only asked you one question and obviously didn’t get my answer which was simply yes or no. I will ask you again. Do you believe that what was done to me by Booger, Libby & Ins102 was right or wrong? Quit parsing words and writing long diatribes. I do agree that you don’t seem to know whether it was right or wrong. I do agree that I have yet to see a case where officers commands were followed and brutality was exhibited including this case. This punk obviously didn’t follow them and suffered the consequences. How do you presume to know what happened before the taping began? Selective taping gives a wrong picture many times. Yes, he was apprehended and yes he was taken down. What did he say to the cop prior to then? Got any answers at all or are you still trusting the video for your opinion? By the way, I can’t wait to see if you will admit that the blatant disregard of privacy by three trolls on this blog were right or wrong.
“Quit parsing words and writing long diatribes.” Oh. Okay. Because you told me what to do, I’ll make sure I do everything to please you. (end sarcasm)
I HAVE TO PARSE WORDS WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE H3LL I’M SAYING OR ASKING.
I HAVE TO WRITE LONG DIATRIBES TO POINT OUT YOUR LACK OF READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS AS I RESPOND TO YOUR POINTS WHILE TRYING TO GET YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I’M ACTUALLY ASKING.
Even when I lay out the questions for you, you still can’t comprehend what I’m saying. Example:
1) Do you agree your identity was revealed, not stolen?
NO ANSWER
2) Do you agree I never said I wasn’t sure if your identity being revealed was right or wrong, only that I said I wasn’t going to comment on if it was right or wrong?
“I do agree that you don’t seem to know whether it was right or wrong.”
NOT A VALID ANSWER. We’ve already talked about this 3 times in this thread. I never said I didn’t know right from wrong, only that you misinterpreted me when I said I was **abstaining from answering** if it was right or wrong. Big difference.
3) Do you just feel that no suspect has ever been beaten by police when they’ve complied with the cop’s request, or has that actually been investigated and there is evidence to support your statement?
“I do agree that I have yet to see a case where officers commands were followed and brutality was exhibited including this case”
NOT A VALID ANSWER. I asked if you just believed there’s no case where a cop has hurt a suspect who complied or if you have evidence. You saying you haven’t seen the opposite of what I was asking doesn’t answer my question.
4) Did you mean to imply that it’s only a choke hold if the other person makes a facial expression showing discomfort?
NO ANSWER
5) Do you still believe the cop was NOT using his hands to apply some kind of pressure to the neck of the suspect even when seeing that zoomed-in image and knowing that you can choke someone with only 2 fingers, so it’s not necessary to use both hands to choke someone?
NO ANSWER
As a show of good faith, I will answer your questions when, once again, you haven’t bothered to answer the ones I asked you first. Do not expect me to answer future questions from you if you continue to fail to answer questions I asked you first.
“Do you believe that what was done to me by Booger, Libby & Ins102 was right or wrong?”
Wrong
“How do you presume to know what happened before the taping began?”
Now you’re just being a presumptuous idiot. Yes. I’m resulting to name calling. I don’t know how I could have been any clearer than when I previously wrote:
By no means am I saying what SHOULD have happened, nor am I second-guessing the officer’s decision in the heat of the moment, nor am I stating what might have occurred before or after the image in discussion right now.
“What did he say to the cop prior to then?”
I don’t know – see my previous answer
There. I answered your questions and you didn’t have to answer mine and admit you were wrong and that you misinterpreted many things I’ve written and explained to you ad-nauseam numerous times. You happy now?
The numbers don’t feel right. Most polls show that its more like 60/35/5 that there is no man made effect on the climate so where this is coming from is interesting to say the least.
nuff, the liberals and their lap dog media has been pushing man made Global Warming/Climate Change for several years now. Many of the so called scientists pushing the agenda admitted to cooking the books on the figures and some resigned in disgrace. This mantra is not going so well these days. It also is not helpful that the 24/7 news cycle reports on every storm anywhere and intimates it is man made climate change causing the problem. What is really amazing to me is that they think man can do something about a hurricane or tornado or even a record snowfall. Mother nature will be what mother nature will be.
Rosenblatt, congratulations, you set a new record for post lengths in your latest diatribe/book. I thought Bob was long winded, but he can’t hold a candle to you. So it took 8 or 10 posts for you to finally say that Booger, Libby & Ins102 were wrong to broadcast my identity all over this blog and mock me continually. As the warden said,”What we have here is a failure to communicate”. You don’t need drone on ad nauseum. Just answer the question and we are done.
Take your own stinking advice Agent. I asked you the same 2 “yes or no” questions at least like 5 times and you still haven’t answered them.
EACH TIME YOU ASKED ME ABOUT YOUR IDENTITY THEFT I MENTIONED YOU NEEDED TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS FIRST. YOU NEVER DID AND I STILL ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
You are a major hypocrite, but I’ll give you one more chance to take your own advice and “just answer the questions and we are done.”
1) Do you agree your identity was revealed and those who did, did not technically perpetrate identity theft?
2) Do you agree I **abstained** from saying if what they did was right or wrong, instead of what you claim which was that I said I didn’t know if it was right or wrong?
Two simple yes/no questions I’ve been asking you since we started this. I’m still waiting for your answers…..
1. Do you agree that Identity Theft can take more than one form? No, they didn’t steal any money from me or get my credit card info, but they did reveal my identity on an anonymous forum and then mocked me and threatened me.
2. I agree that you abstained from comment because you apparently didn’t think they did anything wrong and wouldn’t condemn their behavior like several others did.
Now, we are done. I will refrain from commenting on anything you say in the future.
Unbelievable Agent. All you had to do was to answer yes or no. Not only didn’t you do that, but you still are saying I didn’t know if your identity being revealed was right or wrong yet I JUST WROTE IT WAS WRONG IN MY LAST POST. Your reading comprehension skills are horrifyingly pathetic.
*2 posts ago (when I answered your question) not the last post
Guys, guys, guys……..
I don’t give a crap about your personal life or your favorite football team. I don’t care how many pounds you can lift, whether you roid up, or how far you can pee.
I read IJ because I am interested (or not) in your opinion on an insurance-related issue. While I love the challenge of finding the logic behind a ditto-head’s position on impeachable offenses or anything scientific, I grow tired of it.
Quit flexing, bullying, and insulting, and write something semi-intelligent for a change.
…and if Ol’ Agent says his identity was stolen, then nothing anyone says is going to change his position.
Who gives a s*#t? Move on…..
It’s hard to do that when some people can’t understand what’s being said, insult you for things you didn’t actually say, then act like a hypocrite because they’re upset you did or didn’t do something that they aren’t or are willing to do themselves.
I got insulted for not knowing the difference between right and wrong when I only said I was abstaining from answering, yet no matter how many times that was pointed out or even after I admitted it was wrong, that person still gives me grief because they still think I don’t know right from wrong.
How can we have intelligent conversations if people don’t have basic reading comprehension skills?
What is this, about 20 posts where you are upset about me questioning your ability to tell right from wrong? Here is a hint for you. When someone asks you about a moral issue of right or wrong, don’t abstain or vote present or parse words. Just answer one way or the other and you will fare much better.
It’s 20 posts about you not insulting me for what you THOUGHT I wrote rather than what I ACTUALLY said, never acknowledging you read the posts incorrectly, and being a hypocrite by not taking your own advice.
Here is a hint for you, Agent – when someone asks you a yes/no question, just answer one way or another and you will fare much better. Don’t insult the person and get upset when they don’t answer your question after you failed to answer theirs.
Phew. It only took 2 weeks of me copying & pasting the same sentence to get you to finally acknowledge what I initially wrote was different than what you believed I wrote.
And even AFTER I said what they did to you was wrong, you replied with “…you apparently didn’t think they did anything wrong and wouldn’t condemn their behavior like several others did.” Derp.
Finally – I suggest you learn the meaning of the word “parse” before you use it negatively again. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
**It’s 20 posts about you insulting me, not “you not insulting me”