No Clear Rescue Plan If Supreme Court Ends Obamacare Subsidies

By | June 18, 2015

  • June 18, 2015 at 1:18 pm
    jack says:
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    Lean forward America!

  • June 18, 2015 at 2:02 pm
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    Since this ill conceived 2,700 page document has been in place for five years there have been 51 delays and mandates e.g. 32 unilateral executive actions by Obama, 17 passed by Congress and 2 by SOTUS. The original document was never workable and is still not today. It’s time to scrap it in its entirety and start over. One can only imagine what the consequences would have been to the economy had it all been enacted on day one.

  • June 18, 2015 at 2:11 pm
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    Burn it, start from scratch, and this time do it in a bipartisan way, not the one party way as was initially done.

    • June 18, 2015 at 2:50 pm
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      • June 18, 2015 at 3:26 pm
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        Maybe its because the repubs think Govt should stay out of private business?

        • June 19, 2015 at 8:54 am
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          • June 19, 2015 at 9:46 am
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            Bill, private business didn’t fail America, government did and is presently. They didn’t have any business poking their nose into private business affairs and mandating everything under the sun or be penalized for not doing it. They could have passed tort reform, allowed companies to write across state lines to create competition, but they preferred to install a massive redistribution of wealth scheme based on lies they told to the American People and they have been exposed.

      • June 19, 2015 at 9:23 am
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        Wrong, the Republicans have offered market based solutions to rising costs. Allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines to foster more competition. Offering vouchers so consumers can price shop. And doing something about tort reform. Do you understand how these wild judgments increase the cost of healthcare for us all? First it drives up the cost of all healthcare provided and second, it drives up the use of healthcare by over-testing by those in the industry testing more than they should to avoid getting sued. And you know the Democrats response to that?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9HcWd5ifBA&index=72&list=FL9lJuRBjktDPY_TeM76IBSw

  • June 18, 2015 at 2:28 pm
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    • June 18, 2015 at 2:41 pm
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      Dear Celtica: How is SCOTUS’ decision the death of the GOP in 2016? The entire Obamacare mandate was drafted, crafted and shafted (to the US citizens) by the democrats.

      It was a BOMB entirely made by the dems and somehow you and the liberal media are going to try to pin it on the GOP.

      Take some !!??&*##!! responsibility for a change!

      I guess because we might not have a plan to fix the mess, it is entirely our fault. What a load of crap!

      • June 18, 2015 at 2:57 pm
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        • June 18, 2015 at 4:04 pm
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          Dear Celtica: Fact check…this case, King vs. Burwell, was not initiated by the GOP. But I’m sure the low information voters will believe the BS you and others will feed them.

          • June 18, 2015 at 4:52 pm
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          • June 18, 2015 at 5:11 pm
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            Celtica: you should read the premise of the case before you pass judgment on the GOP’s fingerprints being all over it.

            I am well aware that “not everything is as it seems in politics” because I have watched Obama lie through his teeth time and again. It’s too bad that you and others cannot see that Obamacare is not what it seems to be.

          • June 18, 2015 at 6:35 pm
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          • June 19, 2015 at 9:17 am
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            Celtica brings out the same old tired and worn out lies she always does. Comparing Obama’s lies to what she said was a lie about GWB’s claims of weapons of mass destruction. For the umpteenth time let me again explain to the nitwit Celtica.

            Intelligence from the USA, the Germans, the French, the British, the Israelis, and others all pointed to weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. That intelligence proved wrong, but to say GWB lied about it is an outright lie in itself.

            You want a lie Celtica? Let me give you a lie. Obama got GOOD intelligence about the Benghazi attack. He and his administration knew within hours (not days or weeks) that the attack on Benghazi was not the result of a protest from a video, but a planned terrorist attack on of all days 9/11. He and his administration knew it was a planned terrorist within hours, but went on for weeks describing it as a protest about a video. And then Obama compounded that lie with another when during the debate he said he called it a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden the next day. Candy Crawly the CNN “moderator” agreed and then quit owning up to her lie. Something pathological liar Obama will never do. Does that get through your thick skull Celitica? Bush did not lie about weapons of mass destruction, he passed along bad intelligence. Obama however lied about good intelligence. Got that? Huh?

          • June 19, 2015 at 12:56 pm
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          • June 19, 2015 at 2:02 pm
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            Celtica – Bush didn’t tell a fraction of the lies that the Traitor in Chief has told.

            Obama is the WORST President ever!!

            He has achieved nothing but divide this country and consort with the enemy. Virtually all of his decisions have had a negative effect on the well being and morale of this great country. He cannot leave office soon enough.

          • June 22, 2015 at 9:30 am
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            Again Celtica, I point out how your statement about Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction is a lie itself and what do you do? You totally ignore it and go onto something else. It’s what the left always does. When caught in a lie, change the topic and move on to something else. Are you denying that your statement about Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction is a lie itself? Are you? You are a mirror image of our President an his administration, pathological liars all!

          • June 22, 2015 at 9:40 am
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      • June 18, 2015 at 2:59 pm
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        I thought it was Bushes’ fault…

        • June 19, 2015 at 12:58 pm
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          • June 19, 2015 at 2:04 pm
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            You’re an ignorant sheep. Go back to watching MSNBC.

            Iraq and the world is better off without SH. Iraq would still be better off if Obama had an ounce of brains (or wasn’t a traitor).

    • June 18, 2015 at 3:41 pm
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      It will be interesting to see if the Republicans can win the battle over ObamaCare then end up losing the war (losing the Presidential election). If you don’t think the Democrats will use this to beat up Republicans, you are crazy. If I were a Democrat I would be pulling for the SCOTUS to overturn this. We can then rewrite a better version of the law, and we can show up every night with sick people who are being denied coverage by the evil Republicans just in time for the elections.

      • June 18, 2015 at 4:20 pm
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        Yes, Alan, that will be the spin that the democrats and media will put on it. The low information voters will believe it, too, because they are too stupid to realize that the law was destined for failure to begin with.

        Basic common sense says that you cannot add millions of people into an insurance program, who are not going to pay their portion of the premium, and expect premiums for everyone else to go down.

        Obama, Reid, Pelosi and everyone backing the law will apply their teflon so nothing sticks to them.

        • June 19, 2015 at 9:50 am
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          Hey Integrity, now that the left have another voice at MSNBC in Brian Wiliams, they can spin some more to their dwindling audience.

          • June 19, 2015 at 12:27 pm
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            Agent: That is all MSNBC does is spin crap to their sheep.

            The irony here is that Brian Williams needs to do something to boost his integrity so people can trust him again. Do the brilliant wizards at NBC think that putting him at MSNBC is really going to accomplish this?

            My personal opinion is that they were impressed with his lies and that so many people believed him. That is the perfect journalistic experience they require to be an anchor at MSNBC! He should be very successful there.

  • June 18, 2015 at 2:31 pm
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    This plan was never designed to be affordable, as it changed state and local guidelines, and I’m suddenly deemed too wealthy to participate in a local program, while forced into the exchange, without a raise in income level. How are premium payments that I could not have afforded last year, and will become mandatory going forward, “affordable”?

  • June 18, 2015 at 2:46 pm
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    I have a friend that is an actuary in a non-exchange state that works for a private healthcare provider. They will be seeking a 65% increase in their rates because the Fed subsidies to the private insurers is going away and their loss experience is atrocious.

    Once again, the devil is in the details and Obama and the rest of them made it all look and smell like roses. The fools that believed them are still trying to make lemonade out of those lemons.

    • June 18, 2015 at 3:56 pm
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      Hey Integrity, isn’t it amazing that the Democrats can screw up a law so bad that it would never work and we see one revelation after another and then they try to blame Republicans for their own mess. Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Jonathon Gruber did all this to the American people and they should all be in jail for their man lies and transgressions. Republican ideas were presented at the famous Blair House meeting before passage and they were brushed aside and Obama arrogantly said, thanks but no thanks. I liked Max Baucus statement when he decided not to run again. He said it was a train wreck. Obama still proclaims it a success and exceeding his wildest dreams. Dream on brother. You are living in another dimension.

      • June 18, 2015 at 4:14 pm
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        Agent:

        I am not amazed at how the democrats can screw things up. Nor how they continue to lie about the issues.

        I am amazed how people like Celtica can continue to believe the lies that Obama and his band of liars feed them. It’s sad that they have no common sense.

        I think Obama’s proclamations about Obamacares success are based on his dreams of it ruining this great country. I’m sure he dreamt that it would divide the country and cause economic disaster. He probably thought it wouldn’t happen until he was way out of office and it is taking place much sooner.

        All of his supporters are going to be shocked when the next round of rate increases take place.

        • June 18, 2015 at 4:33 pm
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          Well, integrity, I saw on the net that the House overwhelmingly approved repeal of the Medical Device tax that is built into this disaster with about 20 other taxes. The Medical Device manufacturers have been laying off people because the cost of their products has been going up and it is not selling. They can do little research or develop new products for the medical industry. There was a story a year or so ago that one company had plans to build another plant and hire a few hundred workers and they put that on the back burner for the foreseeable future because of the negative consequences of Obamacare. Progressives do not think of these things before they pass on new taxes.

      • June 18, 2015 at 4:29 pm
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        Agent: In Tuesday’s 6/16 WSJ there is an article confirming the IG’s study that the Obama administration has been making billions of payments to insurance companies to the tune of $2.8 billion for the period January 2014 to April 2014 without being able to confirm how much it owes each insurer. The back end part of the system that would handle these transactions for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services still has not been completed. HHS is hoping the back end part of the system will be ready at the end of 2015. If this is one example of what Obama considers a success wait until SOTUS rules the subsidies are null and void.

        • June 18, 2015 at 4:36 pm
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          Patriot, nothing surprises me anymore. After all, the companies were told they would not fail even if their losses got really bad. They know the taxpayers will bail them out just as they did for AIG and many other companies deemed too big to fail.

          • June 18, 2015 at 5:24 pm
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            Agent/Patriot: That is the money that Obama is subsidizing the private insurers with AND it is going away. That is why the private insurers are needing to raise their rates.

            Obviously, the picture is going to be painted that the big/bad insurance companies are raising rates, which is going to feed the “need” for governmental/universal healthcare.

            They will lie again and the media will swear to it.

          • June 18, 2015 at 5:59 pm
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            Integrity, do you remember the story that the Insurance Companies wanted to notify policyholders about rate increases and the reason why they were going up and our autocratic government told them they couldn’t send out the notices? I am sure they were warned by the administration that they would take action to cut off funding if they did it.

          • June 19, 2015 at 12:33 pm
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            Agent – Yes, I do. This administration will stop at nothing to hide or achieve their agenda. What I don’t understand is how that can happen because the (majority) of state DOI laws require advancesd notification when increases exceed a certain threshold?

            Unless those laws do not apply to Health, I think they would be in violation.

          • June 19, 2015 at 3:09 pm
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            Integrity matters,

            While I will not defend this administration, I believe you can say the same thing about every other administration. We will never have complete transparency, ever.

          • June 19, 2015 at 4:41 pm
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            Ron,

            I agree, there will never be complete transparency. Some of which I can understand and accept, if pertaining to national security matters.

            What bothers me about Obama is how he promised he would have the most transparent administration ever during his first campaign. I knew it was political rhetoric and expected others did, too. However, there was a large faction that actually believed him and probably voted for him because of that.

            Reality was that he has been the least transparent, in my opinion. I admittedly cannot quantify that. But judging from the blatant, bold face lies he has spewed, his “transparency” has merely been the information he has spun out to justify his positions.

    • June 26, 2015 at 8:06 am
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      As it turns out, subsidies are not going away. Question is, are they actually helping; and, at what cost to taxpayers? We’re the ones paying for this, either in higher premiums or higher taxes (or a bankrupt system in our children’s time).

  • June 18, 2015 at 4:20 pm
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    Lets find a way to punt til 2017–see if we can win the White House first then present the new market based plan with all three branches of government behind it. The wing nut branch of the Party will Fall into the trap and we get clobbered in 2016 worse President Hillary leading the way ugh!!!

    • June 19, 2015 at 9:52 am
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      If the Supremes come down on the subsidy issue, no one will be able to punt. Can we say “implosion” in Healthcare?

  • June 18, 2015 at 4:55 pm
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    Agent: The ACA provides the insurance companies with a “risk corridor” For example if an insurer’s actual claims in 2014 are at least 3% greater than the claims projected when the insurer set 2014 rates, the government must reimburse the insurer for half of the excess. If actual claims jump 8% beyond projected claims, the government covers 80% of the excess. This taxpayer funded subsidy expires at the end of 2016. The proposed 2015 rate increases will be nothing compared to those in 2017.

    • June 18, 2015 at 5:18 pm
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      Good one Patriot. I agree that rates will skyrocket far beyond any of the predictions. Let’s see, where is that statement that Obamacare would save the average family $2,500 per year on premiums? Liberals would spin that it would be even higher without Obamacare. NOT!

  • June 18, 2015 at 8:53 pm
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    • June 19, 2015 at 9:02 am
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      Typical response form the brain dead left. Won’t even comment on the topic at hand. Will not offer any valid argument, probably because there is none.

      • June 19, 2015 at 9:40 am
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        You are absolutely correct Dave. There is a good reason why “Comrade” uses that moniker. The left lost this argument a long time ago and they just can’t stand the fact that their Socialist Utopia did not pan out as they envisioned.

  • June 19, 2015 at 10:25 am
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    “Comrade” there are no conspiracy theories regarding ACA. Besides the ACA debacle our country has endured over the past 6.50 years a never ending cascade of government failures. How about the VA and its appalling treatment of our veterans, the IRS targeting of religious groups, the AG targeting the AP, the complete and utter chaos in the Middle East, Putin’s forays into sovereign countries, the persistent hacking of US military and Federal government web sites by China and Russia, the porous and unsecure southern border, an economy crawling along at the slowest rate since WW II, stagnant and declining wages, the doubling of the national debt .

    • June 19, 2015 at 12:53 pm
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      Patriot, the VA is a microcosm of governmental Universal Healthcare. Dufus Liberals like Ron think the only way to go is Universal Care. I can’t even envision healthcare for all Americans that is run by this inefficient, bloated and corrupt government, can you? The VA is a joke and no one is held accountable for their misdeeds.

      • June 19, 2015 at 1:09 pm
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        • June 19, 2015 at 3:05 pm
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          Ron,There are about 6 million Americans that got cancelled from the policies they liked in order to be forced into the mandated policies they didn’t want and paid a higher price for and will be subject to the huge spikes in premium on the near horizon. On top of that, many have had their personal information hacked either through Healthcare.org or many of the health carriers. They are not happy campers like you are.

          • June 19, 2015 at 3:31 pm
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            At no point in your response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought about the question you were asked. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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        • June 22, 2015 at 3:26 pm
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          bob, apparently you did not get the movie reference where I ‘stole’ my response from. please get a sense of humor. thank you.

          • June 22, 2015 at 4:49 pm
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          • June 23, 2015 at 8:58 am
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            You didn’t get the reference and the joke, so please shut your mouth and move on. Don’t act all high and mighty and all-knowing and try to tell me I’m a moron and what I meant when I posted my comment.

            Anyone who had seen the movie would’ve instantly known what I posted was funny and not serious.

            Calm down, stop telling people what they meant when they’ve already explained it to you, and please get a sense of humor. thank you.

          • June 23, 2015 at 12:08 pm
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          • June 23, 2015 at 1:07 pm
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            Nothing I say will sway you from your incorrect beliefs about my intent with my comment. I have no wishes to bash my head against a brick wall and try to get you to understand, like I keep saying, that I was just joking around and injecting humor into the discussion. I stand by my “please get a sense of humor” comment and feel no need to try and get you to see things from the perspective I had when I made that post.

            You want some more of that? I didn’t think so! Hey look everybody, bob peed his pants! You wanna go feed that donkey some beer? Get it all messed up?

          • June 23, 2015 at 7:19 pm
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          • June 24, 2015 at 7:51 am
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            bob definitely does not like being put into his place.

            GROW UP!!!!

          • June 24, 2015 at 8:20 am
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            you wrote ‘You can’t even figure out your own motivations so we will talk about how I peed my pants because I said your comment was totally not fit for the scenario?’

            hahahahahaha. oh bob, you just proved to me you aren’t being sincere with your replies. Your thick skull is why I am not bothering to explain my motivations to you.

            You said you got my reference the first time, which I did not believe, so I ended my last post with multiple quotes from the same movie.

            You thought I was really saying you peed your pants? Idiot. Those lines were from the same movie I quoted the first time, proving you did not really get my reference even though you said you did.

            Are you in ‘Loser Denial’? You got a misshaped head.

            No I will not make out with you. Did ya hear that everyone? bob wants to make out with me!

            I made the duck blue because I’d never seen a blue duck before and I wanted to see one.

            I stand by my original statement – please get a sense of humor. thank you.

          • June 24, 2015 at 2:33 pm
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            AYS – if it helps, I got your reference the first time. Need proof? Well then, consider me Miles Davis! :)

          • June 24, 2015 at 7:34 pm
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          • June 25, 2015 at 7:34 am
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            bob,

            Why do you try so hard to be confrontational? You are NOT nearly as smart as you think you are. I know this because you are trying too hard to appear intelligent. IT IS NOT WORKING!!

            Your only fan is Agent and that is nothing to brag about.

          • June 25, 2015 at 11:00 am
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            Bob, you are getting worked up over a stupid movie quote. Whether you realized it’s origins or not, once Are you serious? pointed out the quote was from an Adam Sandler movie, you should have just let it go. Your responses trying to justify your initial comment are just coming across as silly and kind of desperate.

            Just walk away, man.

  • June 19, 2015 at 11:11 am
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    • June 19, 2015 at 11:35 am
      Agent says:
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      Leave it to Ron to blame Republicans for this disaster. By the way, we had a little incident called 9/11 back in 2001. We had Terrorists to fight, not pass Healthcare laws. Even Democrats were not pursuing Healthcare back then. Terrorism is still out of control and your President doesn’t even know how to fight them.

      When we have a President married to an agenda and will not take input from the other side, look at what we ended up with.

      • June 19, 2015 at 11:51 am
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        Obama doesn’t know how to fight terrorists? Hmm….I wonder what all these people think about that. Oh wait. They can’t think. They are all dead and were killed during Obama’s presidency.

        Osama bin Laden, AQAP leader Anwar al-Awlaki, al Qaeda’s chief of Pakistan operations, Abu Hafs al-Shahri, deputy leader of al Qaeda‘Atiyah ‘Abd al-Rahman, Ilyas Kashmiri, AQAP senior operatives Ammar al-Wa’ili, Abu Ali al-Harithi, and Ali Saleh Farhan, Al-Qa’ida in East Africa (AQEA) senior leader Harun Fazul, Tehrik e-Taliban Pakistan leader Baitullah Mahsud, Jemayah Islamiya, operational planner Noordin Muhammad, AQEA planner Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan,al Qaeda operational commanders Saleh al-Somali and ‘Abdallah Sa’id, Taliban deputy and military commander Abdul Ghani Beradar, Haqqani network commander Muhammad Haqqani, Lashkar-e Jhangvi leader Qari Zafar, al Qaeda operative Hussein al-Yemeni, senior Jemayah Islamiya operative Dulmatin, Abu Ayyub al-Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, al Qaeda’s number three commander Sheik Saeed al-Masri, al Qaeda commander Hamza al-Jawfi.

        • June 19, 2015 at 12:49 pm
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          Rosenblatt…fortunately, we have people in the military taking care of that. Obama releasing known terrorists for them to eventually get back into the fight is not wise, no matter how you slice it. That is indefensibly!

          And please don’t use his excuse it was to get back one of our service men.

          Obama’s “wisdom” to negotiate with terrorists by allowing them to eventually get nukes is another brilliant idea.

          What an idiot! More like traitor!

          • June 19, 2015 at 1:25 pm
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            “Obama releasing known terrorists for them to eventually get back into the fight is not wise” 100% agree — I didn’t believe he should’ve negotiated with terrorists.

        • June 19, 2015 at 12:59 pm
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          I guess you aren’t paying attention as usual Ron. Just last week, Obama said he didn’t have a plan to fight Terrorists and it was still being studied. You can’t tell me the Pentagon hasn’t given him a plan. He just doesn’t like the plan so he wants to study it until all the Middle East is in ISIS hands. He would rather trade 5 of the worst terrorists for one deserter and let them go right back to the battlefield to continue their killing ways.

          • June 19, 2015 at 1:11 pm
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          • June 19, 2015 at 2:17 pm
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            Thanks, Ron. Unfortuntely, I lose my patience with people like Celtica that continue to write ridiculous drivel. She shows no intellectual thought whatsoever.

        • June 22, 2015 at 9:20 am
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          And got a lot of intelligence from all those drone stricken terrorists to help prevent others from just stepping in to take their place. NOT!

          • June 22, 2015 at 9:43 am
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            Dave,

            There was a lot of intelligence gathered from Bin Laden’s compound.

            Just sayin’

      • June 19, 2015 at 12:30 pm
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        • June 19, 2015 at 3:02 pm
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          We used to be a nation willing to die for our causes.

          “Give me liberty or give me death!”

          • June 29, 2015 at 4:44 pm
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            Hey Integrity, allow me to disagree with you slightly on the wealthy only worshipping money. That is painting with a very broad brush. I am sure you might agree that some wealthy individuals and family can be Christian, tithe, give to worthwhile organizations like the Salvation Army and others. How about the family owned Chik Fil A? I met the CEO a few years ago and is a very fine man (I met him). How about the family that owns Hobby Lobby? Also great people who do good and still make money. Now, compare them with the godless Atheists/Socialists in our society and see which group is more worthy of God’s blessings.

        • June 19, 2015 at 4:01 pm
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          Integrity, I am afraid I lost patience with Ron about 3 years ago so everytime he tells me I have 0 reading comprehension, I give it back to him in kind.

          Did you see his latest proposal? He wants the rich to fund his healthcare premiums with taxation? I also wants me to pay his federal income tax since he gets off scot free currently. Is this redistribution of wealth Socialism or not?

          • June 19, 2015 at 4:20 pm
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          • June 19, 2015 at 4:38 pm
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            You do have horrendous reading comprehension skills. You lost patience with someone telling the truth, that says a lot about your mental state.

          • June 19, 2015 at 5:01 pm
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            Agent: I understand. It is frustrating sometimes. If possible, as an extended olive branch, maybe just answer his (and other’s) questions with a solid response (and without personally directed sarcasm or insults).

            I am saying this to myself, too, because I have been known to fly off the handle. It’s gotta start somewhere.

            Ron: I ask that you try to do the same. Who knows, maybe if it works for us on this blog, it could spread elsewhere. I see a nobel peace prize in the future :).

            For the record, redistribution of wealth, by definition, is not socialism but it is a byproduct of it. It does not promote excellence, but laziness. If someone can get the same thing that the next person is working hard for, without working hard for it themself, why bother?

            I am all for the wealthy to help those that are unfortunate. However, it should be a personal choice, not a mandate. The rich will have to answer to God someday and explain how they blessed (or not blessed) others with the blessings they were given.

          • June 22, 2015 at 8:00 am
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          • June 22, 2015 at 4:40 pm
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            Ron

            If there were a flat tax, the rich would automatically be paying more in total dollars. But it would still be fair because they would not be required to pay more as a percentage.

            You said “people making ridiculous amounts of money are doing so off of the backs of very hard-working middle and lower class people”. However, you forget that many of those were the ones that took the risks to grow their businesses. They have the most to lose, too. For the CEO’s that have been hired making mega-millions, should they be penalized because they negotiated a salary/benefit package that tey thought they were worth? Blame should go to the board for hiring them. However, they are expected to perform at a certain level and provide a return for the stockholders (and employees). If they don’t, they are pushed out. Again, high risk/high reward.

            With regards to the biblical reference, I think you need to keep Jesus’ statement in context. He is referencing salvation (eternal life in heaven with God). Good works (i.e. giving your money away) does not earn a person salvation…nothing does because you cannot earn salvation. Salvation is a gift from God.

            Rich people have a tendency to make their wealth, their God (false idol). As a result, they are separated (aka…sin) from God.

            Christ-like generosity comes from within, meaning we are generous because we love Jesus and want to glorify him in the process and not from selfish motivations.

          • June 23, 2015 at 7:48 am
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          • June 23, 2015 at 9:13 am
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            Ron,

            A flat tax, by itself, will not fix everything. Spending cuts, entitlement fraud and the deportation of illegal immigrants are several areas that need immediate attention to move the deficit/debt needle in the right direction.

            You cannot definitively say a flat tax will harm the economy any more than I can say it will help the economy. It’s success or failure will depend upon multiple other factors. Many of which are the questions you raised. Again, the devil is in the details.

            I would expect that those with incomes below a certain level would pay zero and the flat tax would apply after that. The problem with an escalating tax rate is that people who are growing their income will experience a decrease in net pay when they initially breach the next income/tax level. That eventually goes away if they continue to get increases, but it can cause harm when it occurs.

            I’ve been laid off twice in my career due to management decisions and no fault of my own. The last time was strictly because the CEO wanted the stock price to rebound. The expenses saved with the reduction in force was minimal. Understandably, I was p****d off. New mortgage, two kids in college and one about to go into college. By the grace of God I was able to get another job within two months. My point is, that is life. Sure the CEO has a golden parachute to protect him/her. Good for them. If I could negotiate one for me, I would do it. There is a reason why they can and others can’t. That is life. We have to accept it or it will drive us crazy with jealousy.

            Regarding the bible verse, I never said YOU said rich people should give away money for salvation. You referenced a bible verse and used it out of context. I was merely trying to put the quote you used into the proper context.

            As I am sure you are probably aware, christianity and wealth are not mutually exclusive of each other. God blesses people (Christians and non-Christians) with wealth. Everyone blessed like that will be held accountable for how they used that blessing.

            You said and asked, “Mark 10:21 states, “Jesus looked at him and loved him. ‘One thing you lack,’ he said. ‘Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.’” How else can that be interpreted?”

            Jesus knew the rich man’s heart and that he loved his wealth more than he loved Jesus. His wealth became his idol. Even though he was a “good person” and kept all of the other rabbinical laws, he broke the first commandment and made his wealth, “God”. Jesus wasn’t telling him to give to the poor so the poor could be blessed, he was pointing out what he (the rich man) needed to do to be truly blessed.

          • June 24, 2015 at 1:46 pm
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            integrity matters,

            I agree with you that there needs to be significant cuts in spending and fraud.

            You said, “You cannot definitively say a flat tax will harm the economy any more than I can say it will help the economy. It’s success or failure will depend upon multiple other factors. Many of which are the questions you raised. Again, the devil is in the details.” While I agree with your point, at least I have laid out how exactly it could harm the economy based on practicality. Please lay out, without using “trickle down theory” since it has been proven to not work, that a flat tax will help the economy.

            You said, “I would expect that those with incomes below a certain level would pay zero and the flat tax would apply after that.” What is the income level or how do you think it should be decided? In addition, his would indicate a progressive tax code and go against the idea of a flat tax.

            Also, currently some people with very low incomes, but have deductions (children, mortgage interest, charitable contributions, etc.) may actually get a refund above their “tax bill”. Will that continue or will the government keep that money?

            You said, “The problem with an escalating tax rate is that people who are growing their income will experience a decrease in net pay when they initially breach the next income/tax level.” If someone’s income enters the next highest bracket, only the portion of their income in the new bracket is taxed at that rate. Therefore, your statement is false.

            I am still waiting for your response to the following questions regarding a flat tax:
            1. What is the rate?
            2. Are there any deductions at all?
            3. What happens when 43% of the country is taking money out of the private sector and handing it to the government?
            4. What happens when CPAs, accountants, tax attorneys, bookkeepers, and, to a lesser extent, IRS agents all enter the job market?

        • June 23, 2015 at 12:27 pm
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          “Why must you insult our men and women of the military who were and continue to actually fighting the terrorists by implying that Congress was?”

          Why do you? I believe you and Rosenblatt have both attempted to credit Obama with Bin Laden’s death, so are you implying that these people fight the terrorists and find them? He didn’t fight that, plan that, or contribute in any way, and in many ways impeded it. When he was told Osama was found he simply said “WOOOHOO!!!! POLITICAL TALKING POINT!” And then he started dancing doing that “JUST DO IT!!!” Shia Lebouf skit as a command to kill Osama.

          I may have went over the top there, but it was needed.

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          • June 23, 2015 at 7:29 pm
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            Ok, listen you moron, it would not be poor reading comprehension, you idiotic, testosterone filled, barely graduated (of which I can tell by your tone) piece of crap! It would be called, being wrong. But to you, being wrong happens to be tied to READING COMPREHENSION when I am RECOLLECTING PRIOR CONVERSATIONS of which ROSENBLATT just blatantly said what I said I believe you say yourself, or have agreed with in the past.

            Now since I’m ticked, why don’t we just take all your stupid comments from the last years while I find it, and just destroy you?

          • June 23, 2015 at 7:33 pm
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            You later said in this that we can’t know if ISIS would be less likely to be in IRAQ if we stayed.

            Yes. We can. These are the same people, though you won’t admit it. You also asked if we should stay there indefinitely, and said they don’t want our help.

            Tell that to the people begging for our help during the ISIS attacks. They do in fact want us there. So all you did was basically spit out left talking points, and stated our presence allowed for ISIS to be there. It didn’t. It is the most idiotic thing I have seen.

            Most importantly, do you note how you highly imply that George W Bush’s war with Iraq slowed down the catching of Osama, and it is very much so implied that you think Obama refocused on Al Quieda instead of Iraq? Note you didn’t comment at all that Iraq was for certain a part of what we call the axis of evil. The terrorists were in Iraq, Pakistan, etc. Taking out Saddam was about crippling their shelter, so when you say us in Iraq hindered our ability, note that when I said if anything Obama hindered our ability to catch him, he hindered our multi country search. Osama was not found in Afghanistan Ron, and that is where Osama wanted to focus.

            “Why does it matter if the enemy knows when we are going to leave? Should we remain there forever and waste tax dollars and U.S. lives to help people who do not really want the help? It takes months to withdraw that many troops, so as soon as you begin, the enemy knows your leaving.

            President Obama has ordered multiple attacks against ISIS even before Jordan. And you say I do not watch the news.

            Bottom line, if we did not invade Iraq, we would not have to deal with ISIS, saved billions of dollars and valuable American lives, and may have taken out Osama bin Laden much sooner. But that must be President Obama’s fault.”

          • June 23, 2015 at 7:36 pm
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            Link for your absurd past comments:

            http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2015/03/16/360671.htm/?comments

            You tell me to prove it or shut up? NO ONE talks to me like that. Not when they DO FOR A FACT try to compare how well Obama and Bush W did with Osama and the middle east when it fits their narrative, but then in this case acts like the (conservative) congress shouldn’t be awarded certain prestige for directing the military who won the war.

            Of course, suddenly you change that when it comes to either criticizing Bush W or implying Obama’s differences could have caught Osama sooner. In that scenario, then they deserve some degree of credit though you won’t say how little or how much.

          • June 24, 2015 at 8:11 am
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          • June 24, 2015 at 8:24 am
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            bob – please do not drag my name into your vitriolic posts when I am not even participating in the conversation. I do not say anything about you unless we’re talking, and I would respectfully ask that you show me the same courtesy. Is this acceptable to you?

          • June 24, 2015 at 7:39 pm
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            Actually BOY I showed the evidence.

            Reading comprehension.

            If you state that one would have another affect by comparison in the length of time of getting Osama, you are willing to give credit of military strategy to one versus another.

            You used military strategy to compare Bush W to Obama negatively. So you have done this, by implying that Bush W and Obama fought these wars and had differences. Do you get the point yet? You say things as passive as possible to get off the hook later for things you yourself do.

            I call us equals, you call yourself better than everyone.

            I told you that you were the same as him, and you, little boy, tried to point out how special you are, how much better than him.

            GROW UP.

            And if you want to fight, try to fight on the topics at hand rather than burger flipping.

            There’s a good chance I make more than you, so if it’s relevant, you would lose that anyway.

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            Rosenblatt,

            You are precisely relevant to the conversation at hand, actually, so rather than making a two year old comment about not getting dragged into it, why don’t you just shut up? I didn’t say anything that reflected on you, but rather that not only has Ron done it, people have agreed with him while he Ron has done it. It isn’t a reflection on you other than people wouldn’t be agreeing with Ron if he didn’t do it.

          • June 25, 2015 at 7:47 am
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          • June 25, 2015 at 8:28 am
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            Well bob, that’s too bad. I will continue to treat you the way I wish to be treated. I didn’t think it was too much to ask of you to do the same, but I guess I was wrong. Hope you enjoy your bullying!

          • June 25, 2015 at 9:14 am
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            FWIW, bob – when you said “so rather than making a two year old comment about not getting dragged into it, why don’t you just shut up?” that was the bully part of your reply I was referencing.

            Also you said “I didn’t say anything that reflected on you.” but you did previously post “I believe you and Rosenblatt have both attempted to credit Obama with Bin Laden’s death” so you did say something that reflected directly on me.

            To sum up: if you say something directly about me citing my name, and I think it’s false, instead of defending myself and politely asking you to stop saying incorrect things about me, I should just shut up instead. Bullying 101 right there.

            Also, who is the two year old? Me: “Bob, please don’t drag me into your vitriolic posts.” You: No Rosenblatt. YOU shut up! Seems pretty obvious who the child in that exchange is.

          • June 25, 2015 at 1:42 pm
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            Oh, my GOD RON!

            Come of it! Your original post was:

            “Please list all of the people in Congress who were overseas fighting terrorists instead of doing the job for which they were elected. Why must you insult our men and women of the military who were and continue to actually fighting the terrorists by implying that Congress was?”

            Not only have you implied that Obama fights wars and would have impacts differently, you have stated that certain topics have stopped progress because republicans focus on them (the debt stand off would be one, you said it stopped proactive congressional work). Agent said that congress was busy fighting a war in 2001 onward, his excuse was bad, but your reply was wrong that congress was not preoccupied with the war, and hypocrite in nature.

            So did Obama spend no time being busy with ISIS? Did it literally take up zero of his time?

            Why do you insult our service men by implying that Obama has fought with ISIS or would have had an impact on the duration of finding Bin Laden when it was our troops that did?

            Eh? Idiot?

          • June 26, 2015 at 1:29 pm
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      Ron, I agree, the republicans in office at that time should have tried to do something. Unfortunately, the actions that need to be taken require them to shoot the hands that feed them…the trial lawyers and the lobbyists.

      Honestly, I have no faith in McConnell or Boehner to get the job done. This country needs people with courage that will make the tough decisions for the good of the country. Obamacare is not the answer.

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        • June 19, 2015 at 2:29 pm
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          Ron, I think the majority of those in Congress, Repubs and Dems, are selfish and useless. They have one agenda and that is to get re-elected.

          There are a few that are trying to be fiscally responsible, but they are being branded as “right wing” nuts, by both parties. They are trying to do the right thing but are being lambasted for it.

          If the President and Congress never want to accept responsibility for their actions, it is no wonder that the people of this country don’t want to be responsible for themselves. Those elected over the past 25 years, on both sides of the aisle, are responsible for the mess we are in and tey keep perpetuating it by continuing to give govt handouts.

          • June 19, 2015 at 2:48 pm
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            I may not always agree with you, IM, but I can not agree with you any more than I do with this latest reply. Well said.

          • June 19, 2015 at 3:06 pm
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            Integrity matters,

            Agreed.

          • June 19, 2015 at 3:08 pm
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            Thanks, Rosenblatt.

          • June 19, 2015 at 4:33 pm
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            Hear, hear!

          • June 22, 2015 at 7:55 am
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            Well said, integrity matters!

          • June 22, 2015 at 12:25 pm
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            Hey Integrity, government handouts are a ploy of Progressives who have been successful at making this country an “entitlement” society. Ron thinks he is entitled. Businesses and people who have been successful have been paying the freight for some time now. The problem is with Socialism, pretty soon you run out of other peoples money. Agree or disagree?

          • June 22, 2015 at 12:52 pm
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            Agent,

            You said, “The problem is with Socialism, pretty soon you run out of other peoples money. Agree or disagree?”

            I cannot speak for integrity matters, but, I AGREE!!!!!!!!

          • June 22, 2015 at 4:43 pm
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            Agent – I agree. Greece is the perfect example.

        • June 19, 2015 at 3:10 pm
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          Ron, who is backing the Democrats? Who are all those Clinton Foundation donors? How about the Trial Lawyers Association? Do you think they might have been behind the no Tort Reform in Obamacare? I tell you what, get all the Democrats in Congress to resign for the good of the country and throw in the President, then we may be able to shape reasonable policy for the good of the country.

          • June 19, 2015 at 3:35 pm
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          • June 22, 2015 at 9:43 am
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            Hey Not Serious, I have advocated for Conservative solutions on this blog for several years now. Progressive Liberals like Ron advocate for redistribution of wealth, massive Keysian spending which has been an abject failure for the past 50 years and has run up a national debt over $18 Trillion. The resignation of all Progressives in both parties would be a good start. Since that won’t happen, we just have to keep voting them out like the last two mid terms.

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          • June 29, 2015 at 4:19 pm
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            Integrity, did you see the piece on Greece today. They closed the banks to stop a run on them. Greece is the poster child for Socialism/Keynsian spending policy that has bankrupted their country. Is Spain, Italy,Portugal France, Ireland, Great Britain not far behind?

      • June 30, 2015 at 9:47 am
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        Integrity, I am also not a fan of Boehner or McConnell, however, when you consider what we had before with Pelosi and Reid, they look like choir boys by comparison. My guess is that by the time we get to the Presidential election in 2016, there will be a lot of changes starting at the top and working down from there. New blood is essential in turning the mess around.

    • June 22, 2015 at 2:22 pm
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      Bull, F@#%@#ing @#%.

      You complain that they do nothing.

      Then you complain when they try to do too much on things that can never pass as you word it.

      They can’t win in your eyes. They tried to pass housing regulations, but failed due to a higher block percentage of democrats, and then you blame the minority republicans that blocked the bill and not the majority percentage of democrats.

      Same with spending. You blame the minority republicans who sided with democrats, and not the majority democrats.

      The problem is that a small percentage of republicans break from party, and a large percentage of democrats block. There is the issue. They tried several times to pass many changes, housing changes, health changes (a multitude of plans were offered, so I call BS), schooling vouchers for those who don’t want to use public school (which would be great, and as a parent I would want them, I am already considering a private catholic school for my kids, why should I have to pay a tax if I can’t choose a school? I get to pay for school twice for them and that’s fair eh?) social security changes, Credits to help for retirement, and many health insurance proposals that the CBO rated would lower premiums. That is not akin to no action and no proposals and just whining.

      You just haven’t been paying attention, at all.

      I am a republican for the plans presented, and the fact that they were, for a fact, blocked by democrats. The fact that you say they have no plans baffles me to no end in terms of your bias and stupidity. The retirement plans by Bush W that were blocked and the medical plans the even Libby admitted would be good if they were passed, were not just good, they were AMAZING plans. Real change. Republicans are better than they have ever been, and here you are whining.

      The only solutions democrats have had is how much to tax, and class warfare. They have had literally ZERO plans that don’t involve this.

      • June 22, 2015 at 2:46 pm
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        Bob, I think you just handed Ron and Serious their head although they won’t admit it. You, I, and several others have posted Conservative opinions for years on how to straighten out this country and it goes in one ear and out the other with Ron and his small group of followers. When our replies are met with arrogance and disdain, that means we are correct.

        Conservative = Right, Progressive Socialism = Wrong

        There are three main issues that the President has divided the country – Class, Economic and Race. I give him great credit for sticking to his agenda no matter how wrong it is. Then, you have the true believers spouting off constantly on this blog and demanding that Conservatives solve the problems that Democrats have created.

      • June 22, 2015 at 3:14 pm
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          I will say this again, my reading comprehension surpasses yours, and that is not arrogance. You have had a habit of throwing out the reading comprehension insult while I have seen you misinterpret even your own writings, as you just did, or you lied about it. I have posted below what you were talking about and why I commented. There is no hypocrisy. You label a party, and you do it to both equally using false equivalency. I just directed your comment, as you have NOT looked at votes. One party is more to blame. Percentage wise, republicans vote more for a party to reduce spending and cut taxes. It is a lie to say both parties are equally responsible. Then you compare numbers. if 10% of the party of republicans are voting for lower spending, and they can only get a 50% majority, let’s say they have 255 seats, and 25 break away. Now lets say 90% of republicans vote for lower spending, and 90% of democrats vote to block with a 50% majority. What occurs?

          Republicans can’t pass a plan for lower spending. See the issue? Have you looked at the votes? I doubt it. You look at history and draw sweeping generalizations. I realize you will say we are equal here but I have actually looked at the votes, and there is a trend to draw from them. Every time you have spoken you have said “spending was high during reagan, I can’t blame reagan, I can’t blame Obama, spending is high now”. It is the most ignorant assessment I have seen in my life. Did you look at who sponsored the bills? Reagan’s resistance in public? Obama’s complacency? Have you noticed that you said fighting too hard is wrong for republicans? Not fighting is wrong as well? If all 90% of the republicans vote for it, would it be possible with a 90% of a 45% democrat minority to pass the bill? Who would then be responsible? 90% of the 45% who blocked the bill, and then 10% of the 55%. This would be literally a numerical process that you just don’t process. You then say ALL republicans are equal and ignore the values. Do you get the point yet? Each of the plans I mentioned were supported by 90% of republicans, and blocked by 90% of democrats, and you blame them both equally. I blame the 90% of democrats and the 10% republicans.

          I heard recently you voted for Obama both times. That is not voting for republicans more often than democrats. I have heard your reasonings, and they were wrong. I have heard you say the republicans do nothing, and you’re wrong there too. I have heard you call Reagan a Keynesian, and you’re wrong there too, or outright ignored my response which clearly directed the issue.

          “This has been my issue with Republicans lately, and why I do not vote for Republican as often as I used to.

          From an Independent’s point of view, all I hear are excuses and complaining from the right. They need to start working, even if it means risking a primary challenge because they went against their backers, when they have the opportunity. Are they working for trial lawyers and lobbyists or the American people?

          The right always speaks of personal responsibility, but do not show it themselves.”

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          That should read if 10% of the party of republicans are breaking from voting to reduce spending, not voting to reduce spending.

        • June 23, 2015 at 9:26 am
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          Ron

          you said, “I just point out facts that usually expose the hypocrisy of the Republican party.”

          You say you are an independent and vote republican when it makes sense to do so (I’m paraphrasing). I’ll accept this on your word.

          However, I never see you pointing out the facts and expose the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party. Surely there are dozens of examples over the past 7 1/2 years that you could expose. When they are exposed by many on this forum, you have defended most of the Democratic positions and excuses.

          You may be independent on paper, but you certainly lean pretty far to the left.

          • June 26, 2015 at 10:05 am
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            Integrity, all you need to know about Ron is that he voted for Obama twice and has admitted it. He takes leaning to the left to a new art form. About 99% of his criticisms are against Republicans and then says he has disagreed with some of Obama’s policies although he doesn’t ever name them. I know he is the leading Independent leftist on this forum and he goes against the grain of most Independents who are either moderate or lean somewhat right. He is one lost soul to Progressive Socialism.

    • June 22, 2015 at 6:14 pm
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      Ron,

      I was also replying to this comment:

      “Republicans have been way to lazy and/or reactive on this issue for too long. Complaining fixes nothing, only action.

      They had their chance to implement their solutions for 4 years when they had control of Congress, the White House and the Supreme Court from 2003-07 and failed to do so.

      Until they put their plan to paper in the form of a bill, present the benefits, costs and savings, and the accompanying economic studies to support these, I do not want to here any more complaining.

      Talk is cheap. Morework, less complaining.”

      I couldn’t find it to include so I included one of the two. This is why I used the term “whining”.

      They already did all of “Until they put their plan to paper in the form of a bill, present the benefits, costs and savings, and the accompanying economic studies to support these”

      You just didn’t see it. There were several plans.

  • June 19, 2015 at 3:08 pm
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    Thanks, Ron.

    • June 22, 2015 at 11:12 am
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      Ron, if you remember, I said I would move to Somalia after you agree to move to Iraq. We are making progress in weeding out liberal Progressives. That is why Republicans control both houses of Congress so Pelosi & Reid cannot keep dragging the country down with their idiotic ideas and legislation. Your hero Krugman advocates an 85% marginal rate on the wealthy so you can ask that they pay for your healthcare and avoid paying any taxes. You will never own up to personal responsibility, will you? Let me know how the weather is from Baghdad.

      • June 22, 2015 at 12:05 pm
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        • June 22, 2015 at 2:55 pm
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          Ron, you wouldn’t move out of the city limits of Buffalo although we would like you to try Canada since it is close. Bye, Bye!

          If you loved this country and wanted to see it get straightened out, you wouldn’t have voted for Obama twice since he is the straw that stirs the drink for Progressive Socialism. We told you before this last mid term that Republicans would be unlikely to get a lot done since the veto pen was on top of the desk. About all they can do is get some of his Executive Actions blocked like Immigration.

          National Conservative??? How about Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Dr. Ben Carson as a start. How about naming just one national Democratic Conservative for us? It will be interesting seeing if you can find one.

          • June 22, 2015 at 3:30 pm
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          • June 22, 2015 at 4:58 pm
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            You want a simple answer Rosenblatt about Ron’s voting record? He made the biggest blunders of his adult life voting for Obama twice. So what if he voted for a few NY RINO’s along the way. There are no Conservative Republican office holders in that state or they couldn’t be elected. The state is as liberal as it gets and you know it.

          • June 22, 2015 at 5:06 pm
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            Ron/Rosenblatt:

            Do you think the govt should become more fiscally conservative and reign in the spending for entitlements?

            If so, who would you pick as a fiscal conservative (Repub or Dem)?

          • June 22, 2015 at 5:07 pm
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            oops, meant “rein”.

          • June 23, 2015 at 9:17 am
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            Agent, you seem to be missing the point. Bob might get on me for false equivalency, but here’s another way of looking at it.

            If I bought 2 Hyundai vehicles and 100 Fords, it’s wrong for someone to keep saying that I was dumb for buying the Hyundai’s while ignoring that I’ve bought more American cars in my life. That is what you’re doing. You ignore the totality of his voting record and only focus on two votes out of who knows how many. His entire voting record needs to be considered, not just who he voted for President the last two times. That is my point.

            IM asked: Do you think the govt should become more fiscally conservative and reign in the spending for entitlements?

            Answer: Yuuuup! I sure do!

            IM asked: If so, who would you pick as a fiscal conservative (Repub or Dem)?

            Answer: I honestly don’t know enough about all the Presidential candidates that will be running to answer that at this time. I know a lot of Republicans consider themselves fiscally conservative (such as Ron Paul, Ted Cruz & Jeb Bush) but I haven’t looked into the totality of their voting history to learn if I agree with their self-assessment.

          • June 23, 2015 at 9:34 am
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            Thanks, Rosenblatt for your responses.

            I am on the fence with the field myself. There are several things I like about some of the candidates, however, I have some concerns with each one.

            FYI, Jeb Bush is not a fiscal conservative. He is not even in my top five, probably ten.

  • June 19, 2015 at 5:02 pm
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    Happy Father’s Day out there to all you fathers And those that assume the role of a Dad!

    • June 22, 2015 at 11:15 am
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      Thanks integrity. Yes, I had a great Fathers Day and my two daughters both called and wished me one and sent cards. I am very proud of both of them since they are very successful, have great families and do not depend on the government for handouts.

    • June 23, 2015 at 12:53 pm
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      Rosenblatt, Ron Paul is not running. He tried the last time, got no traction and was quickly an afterthought. His son Rand has some good economic ideas, particularly scrapping the tax code and trying a more flat tax, but he is a Libertarian Republican and they have some strange ideas I don’t agree with. I agree with integrity on Jeb Bush. He is a liberal RINO and would not be good on economic issues at all. Rubio may be quite good as we get farther down the road and Dr. Carson makes a lot of sense. We will see how all this shakes out.

  • June 20, 2015 at 1:40 pm
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    The death of the Affordable Care Act is long overdue. The fact that such an important piece of legislation was rammed through Congress on a party line vote in the dead of night says it all.
    Health insurance is a very important issue in this country.
    The fact that Obama and the democrats passed this legislation illegally says everything you need to know about Barack Obama.
    He learned his lessons of greed, corruption and theft in Illinois.
    He then imposed it on the rest of us.

    • June 22, 2015 at 9:44 am
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      Good one Douglas. You are a bit late to the party, but you have the right idea.

    • June 22, 2015 at 5:02 pm
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      Douglas,

      Technically, they passed it legally because they controlled both houses. However, they passed it immorally, for the reasons you stated. (I guess if you consider all the bribes and deals they had to make to get even the Dem’s to vote for it, it was as close to illegal as you can get).

      • June 22, 2015 at 6:13 pm
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        Integrity, remember the Louisiana Purchase with Landrieu? She is no longer the Senator from Louisiana. How about the Cornhusker kick back with Ben Nelson? No longer in office. Bribes, browbeating, intimidation of the Blue Dog Democrats cost them their political career when they were shown the door.

        • June 23, 2015 at 9:37 am
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          Sure do. It was disgusting.

          I also remember the one democratic senator that was on the fence and was holding out because of the mandate for abortion to be covered. Obama and Reid promised to remove it to get his vote. We all know how that worked out.

          • June 23, 2015 at 12:55 pm
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            integrity, since Ron and Rosenblatt and others cannot name one national conservative Democrat that would be suitable to consider, do you know of any?

          • June 23, 2015 at 1:06 pm
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            Agent –

            No, I don’t. I didn’t know if any existed but thought I would give the Dems a benefit of the doubt that there might be at least one.

          • June 23, 2015 at 1:12 pm
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            I would posit any Democrat who is part of the Blue Dog Coalition should initially be considered fiscally conservative. After reviewing how those folks vote, then one could say for certain if those members are in fact what they claim to be.

          • June 23, 2015 at 3:38 pm
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            Rosenblatt – Well, I guess that would be a start.

            Unfortunately, none of the Blue Dogs left have any real prominence, especially to unseat Hillary for the Dem nomintion. I would have to look very close at their alleged fiscally conservative position. They might be able to lean far enough to the right to even reach the center.

          • June 23, 2015 at 4:27 pm
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            Hahahaha, that one clarifying word made all the difference there, IM. Their “alleged” fiscally conservative position. I hear ya! Just because a politician says they stand for something doesn’t mean their actions back up their words. I also agree there doesn’t seem to be much happening in the way of Blue Dogs putting their feet forward to run against Hillary, leaving us back to where this started: there’s not many, if any, fiscally conservative Democrats running for President.

          • June 23, 2015 at 4:28 pm
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            *leading

  • June 23, 2015 at 6:08 pm
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    Rosenblatt, do you know of any Blue Dog Democrat that survived the blood letting of the 2010 or 2012 mid terms? I think they were pretty much all cleaned out. I don’t think anyone wants to challenge Hillary on anything. After all, she is “entitled” to be President. Her record is exemplary, don’t you know? She and Bill were in shock when that community organizer beat her back in 08.

    • June 24, 2015 at 8:27 am
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      Let me google that for you, Agent. Current Blue Dog Democrats include: Brad Ashford, Cheri Bustos, Sanford Bishop, Jim Cooper, Jim Costa, Henry Cuellar, Gwen Graham, Dan Lipinski, Collin Peterson, Loretta Sanchez, Kurt Schrader, David Scott, Mike Thompson

      • June 25, 2015 at 12:09 pm
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        Rosenblatt, I am still waiting for one national Conservative Democrat to be listed as a possible candidate for President. Please tell me who stands for fiscal responsibility, lowering taxes or getting rid of the current Progressive tax code, balancing the budget, reducing entitlements. Hello, is anyone home?

        • June 25, 2015 at 12:43 pm
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          Agent – you asked me if any Blue Dog Democrats survived 2010 or 2012 and I gave you those names. If you want to ask a different question, so be it, but don’t pretend I was ignoring you and asking if anyone was home implying I did not answer your question when I clearly had done so.

        • June 25, 2015 at 12:47 pm
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          • June 26, 2015 at 10:16 am
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            Wow Ron, “Democrats prefer to win and try to help the country and do not want to be tied to an ideology that prefers to just sit around and complain”.

            So you prefer they ruin the country with massive debt, unchecked spending and promoting the Socialist ideology. No wonder you voted for him twice and his true believer followers.

            By the way, Hillary is feeling the heat from the Socialist/Communist Bernie Sanders now. She will have to run further to the left to stave him off. There are no other Democrats to replace her with so they are setting themselves up for another landslide loss.

          • June 26, 2015 at 10:44 am
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            Since Ron has already said he isn’t voting for Hillary, why would he care at all if she ends up losing?

          • June 26, 2015 at 5:35 pm
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            Well Rosenblatt, if you and Ron are not voting for Hillary because she is the Democrat’s only candidate, does that mean you and Ron will be sitting this one out because I know he will not vote Republican under almost any circumstances. Sit it out like you did on the mid terms and see what happens.

      • June 29, 2015 at 4:13 pm
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        The important thing to remember Rosenblatt is that the Blue Dog coalition has shrunk to a small fraction since the massacre of 2010 & 2012 & 2014. They have almost ceased to exist because the Democratic Party has been taken over by the far left.

    • June 24, 2015 at 8:27 am
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      FWIW, Hillary will not be getting my vote for president

      • June 24, 2015 at 1:58 pm
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        Rosenblatt – I think we are in for one helluva snowstorm…we have agreed on two things in the same blog. hahahaha.

        HilLIARy is not getting my vote either.

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          Hahahaha, I hope not – I’m all set with winter after last time! But yes, I got your point with that comment :)

          Like I’ve said before, I may not always agree with you, but I sincerely appreciate how you discuss/debate what you feel is right.

          I wish more people (not just on IJ, but in general) would be able to express their beliefs without always going on the offensive and spewing insults just because someone has a different opinion than their own.

          Okay. Enough of my “I really shouldn’t have to, but I feel the need to, thank you for being able to talk like an adult” post :)

      • June 24, 2015 at 3:40 pm
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        Count me in for not voting for Hillary Clinton.

        • June 24, 2015 at 4:09 pm
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          But…but…Obama! Twice! And you said he’s the Best President Ever! And you just blindly vote Democratic all the time! (end sarcasm)

          Agent? Bob? If you’re reading, do you care to join in? Do you agree that you won’t be voting for Hillary for President?

          It would be great if we could find some common ground. While we clearly don’t agree on most things, I’d love it if we could at least find one thing we all agree about!

          • June 24, 2015 at 4:16 pm
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            Nice job Rosenblatt.

          • June 25, 2015 at 12:12 pm
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            You bet Rosenblatt. I have known about Hillary for a very long time. I also remember her saying on the debate stage that she was a “modern progressive” and she is ever bit as bad as the guy Ron voted for twice and just as big a liar. Ron was such a numbskull, he somehow determined with all his research on candidates that Obama was the clear choice. That qualifies him for either idiot or imbecile status.

          • June 25, 2015 at 12:45 pm
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            Agent – Ron said he is not voting for Hillary. Do you still think he is an idiot or an imbecile for coming to that decision?

          • June 29, 2015 at 12:22 pm
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            Rosenblatt, why don’t you take Ron to task for voting for Obama twice? This is a man who has said he does extensive research on candidates as an “Independent” and doesn’t make his choice until the last moment before the election. The clear answer to his choices is that he agreed with Progressive Socialism, massive Keysian spending and incompetence in governing, especially on the second term. Anyone with common sense would have been reviled after the first term.

          • June 30, 2015 at 8:43 am
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            “Rosenblatt, why don’t you take Ron to task for voting for Obama twice?” That’s an easy answer, Agent. Everyone in this country is entitled to cast their vote for whomever they want.

            If he did a write-in ballot for Mickey Mouse, that is his right as an American. You don’t agree with who he voted for. I get it.

            But Ron has every right to vote for who he wants or to abstain without being bullied about his decision.

        • June 29, 2015 at 4:10 pm
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          Why are you perpetuating a lie Ron? You know you like the “Modern Progressive” since she agrees on about everything that Obama has done.

          • June 30, 2015 at 3:23 pm
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            Rosenblatt, Ron has every right to vote for whoever he pleases and in the case of the last two Presidential elections, he has every right to be stupid with his choice. I am sure you have seen his rhetoric about how diligent he was researching all the candidates before deciding who to vote for. By the way, you should Google Frank Wright. He is a noted black Marxist who was a mentor to Obama and schooled him well prior to him studying Cloward & Pivin.

      • June 26, 2015 at 10:22 am
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        Integrity, I was channel surfing last night and ran across Hannity’s show and he gave a whole hour to Carly Fiorina. I was very impressed with that lady. He fired questions at her for the whole hour and she answered quickly, concisely and had great answers. She clearly has a great command of the issues and what she would do as President to straighten out the mess in this country. I don’t know if she can muster the finances and support needed to win, but she is clearly the smartest woman in this race. If not President, she would be a heck of a VP or an important cabinet appointment.

  • June 25, 2015 at 2:36 pm
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    Rosenblatt, if Ron doesn’t vote for Hillary, does that mean he will be voting for Bernie Sanders, the Socialist/Communist since there isn’t anyone else on the left front? He has already rejected McCain & Romney and I don’t see him voting for any Republican for President in the current field.

    • June 25, 2015 at 3:45 pm
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      Sure Agent, I know exactly who Ron is going to vote for this year! That’s a totally reasonable question to ask of me and expect me to answer. (end sarcasm) I’m still waiting for you to answer my question. Hello, is anybody home?

      • June 25, 2015 at 4:28 pm
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        Rosenblatt, Ron is either an idiot or imbecile (take your pick) for many reasons and has the track record to prove it. I can’t quite figure out if he was just a low information liberal who believed in Hope & Change or he doesn’t know how to research information on candidates. I will cut him a little slack on the first election since so many low information voters blindly voted for the smooth rhetoric and wanted a first black President in history, but the second election after the monumental mess made and continued terrible policies on every front would tend to label Ron as an idiot. Bob wasn’t quite so kind when he said Ron was insane. I am still waiting for you and Ron to name one Conservative Nationally known Democrat that you could support for President. They are as scarce as hen’s teeth. It doesn’t fit their mantra of big government, big spending, high taxation, mandated Healthcare, high regulation.

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          • June 29, 2015 at 10:29 am
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            Rosenblatt, what does it say about me? It says I know left vs right and right vs wrong. Ron has no clue of right vs left or right vs wrong in picking candidates. Do you?

          • June 30, 2015 at 8:43 am
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            Yes

    • June 26, 2015 at 12:06 pm
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      • June 26, 2015 at 5:43 pm
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        The option you should take Ron, is sitting on your butt at home. Walker is puzzling me some. He just won’t throw his hat in the ring and the others are getting a big head start on him. Perhaps he has cooled to the idea of running and wants to stay in Wisconsin and let the others fight it out. He isn’t going to get the nomination by being drafted at the convention so he better get out and get started or withdraw from the competition.

        • July 13, 2015 at 4:34 pm
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          Hey Ron, I have a new candidate for you to throw your support to. It is Lincoln Chafee, former Rhode Island Governor who used to be a Republican RINO and is now an Independent running for the Democratic nomination. He is doing so well that he has raised a grand total of $30,000 in the first quarter. That may just be from a few family members.

      • June 29, 2015 at 10:33 am
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        I am a lot smarter than you are Ron. You made a very big mistake with your vote and are just too stubborn and dumb to admit it. By the way, congratulations on the NY police finally catching up with those prison escapees. It only took them almost a month to catch them, kill one and should have killed the other. Now, you will have to support the wounded one for another 50 years or so.

  • June 29, 2015 at 12:18 pm
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    • June 29, 2015 at 3:44 pm
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      Ron, the only box you were going to check on the ballot had a name starting with an O. Many people call him Ozero now because he is that worthless.

      By the way, to refresh your geographic memory, it is a lot closer to Mexico from Texas than from NY state. The story out today is that the two murderers planned to escape to Mexico, but that idiot lady that helped them escape didn’t show up with the car. That plan wouldn’t have been too bright since they would probably get caught by Tennessee or within one gas tank refill and it wouldn’t have taken almost a month to catch them.



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