So the Little Sisters of the Poor have to have Birth Control and Abortion coverage in their plan. Another reason why Obamacare needs to go bye bye at the earliest date possible.
Seriously Alan, I don’t understand anyone’s issue here.
The government is not forcing anyone to go against their religious beliefs with this decision. All they have to do is “notify their group health plan or the government of their opt-out.”
If a group doesn’t want to provide birth control, what’s so hard about opting-out? It will literally take only 5 minutes to write an email to the group health plan advising of their opt-out decision.
Our country is under a full attack by the liberal courts and appointed judges who have a visceral distaste for the Constitution . The First Amendment clearly states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or of the right of the people peacefully to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Your statement implies the government can dictate to the Little Sisters a 175 year old order of Catholic nuns how they should practice their religious faith.
This will end up with SCOTUS. IF they are consistent, they will overrule the lower court.
They just upheld the subsidy language to apply to the non-exchange states because of the “burden” it would place on the masses. Likewise, it doesn’t make sense that “for profit” organizations can have an exception and religious non-profits cannot.
Question…did they actually amend the law to correct what SCOTUS struck down last year? I know the Obama Administration came up with a “solution” that the Employer has to send a form to their insurer or a “formal notice” to the government to declare they object to the law. However, that doesn’t change the actual law.
I agree with the RIGHT of the nuns and other Catholic/religious groups to take exception with contraceptive care.
But what I find interesting is that it is nuns and priests, who, for the most part, don’t have families and aren’t directly affected by this legislation, yet choose to implement it on others.
Most people working for Catholic/religious groups are usually religious themselves, yet don’t follow the “Be fruitful and multiply” Biblical commandment to the letter. Most families DO utilize some form of birth control at some point.
So, while it IS their right to opt out, they should look at the bigger picture and see who is affected by their insistence. Do they want to let their staff go over this?
I have never heard of a Jewish group fighting contraception coverage.
Maybe the non-Jewish groups need to determine the correct Biblical definition of “fruitful;” and re-think how much else of the Bible they actually observe to demand this level of devotion to a single commandment.
That said, I’m against the Afordabull Care Act. The tax credit doesn’t matter one iota – the premium is way out of reach for my family.
GoldC – It has nothing to do with being fruitful. It has everything to do with preventing or eliminating a pregnancy.
Generally speaking, the Catholic church believes that birth control medicine prevents one from getting pregnant, akin to a pre-abortion. I think most “accept” that their parishners use the pill and are generally okay with it.
Obamacare takes it a step further by mandating health coverage to pay for abortions and morning after pill. That crosses the line because it is murdering a child, regardless of the development stage it is in.
Mandated federal dollars go to hog farming and I don’t hear the Muslim community spilling outrage over their taxes going against their religious ideology. That crosses the line because it allows people to eat bacon, pork chops, and baby backs. You can’t force your religious beliefs on the people at large. You can, however, worship how you like. No one is forcing you to get an abortion. No one is forcing anyone to eat pork. And, THE LAW is abortion is legal. I would personally never choose to abort, but that doesn’t mean someone else shouldn’t have that legal right to choose. And if they choose to, there ought to be safe options for them to practice so they aren’t butchering themselves in a back alley somewhere.
So the Little Sisters of the Poor have to have Birth Control and Abortion coverage in their plan. Another reason why Obamacare needs to go bye bye at the earliest date possible.
Why not just formally opt out? If you can choose to formally opt out, opt out. Unless you are looking for a legal fight.
Seriously Alan, I don’t understand anyone’s issue here.
The government is not forcing anyone to go against their religious beliefs with this decision. All they have to do is “notify their group health plan or the government of their opt-out.”
If a group doesn’t want to provide birth control, what’s so hard about opting-out? It will literally take only 5 minutes to write an email to the group health plan advising of their opt-out decision.
I don’t get the outrage here.
Our country is under a full attack by the liberal courts and appointed judges who have a visceral distaste for the Constitution . The First Amendment clearly states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or of the right of the people peacefully to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Your statement implies the government can dictate to the Little Sisters a 175 year old order of Catholic nuns how they should practice their religious faith.
This will end up with SCOTUS. IF they are consistent, they will overrule the lower court.
They just upheld the subsidy language to apply to the non-exchange states because of the “burden” it would place on the masses. Likewise, it doesn’t make sense that “for profit” organizations can have an exception and religious non-profits cannot.
Question…did they actually amend the law to correct what SCOTUS struck down last year? I know the Obama Administration came up with a “solution” that the Employer has to send a form to their insurer or a “formal notice” to the government to declare they object to the law. However, that doesn’t change the actual law.
Just another mess to clean up.
Integrity, there are plenty of messes to clean up on the law that keeps on giving – bad things.
I agree with the RIGHT of the nuns and other Catholic/religious groups to take exception with contraceptive care.
But what I find interesting is that it is nuns and priests, who, for the most part, don’t have families and aren’t directly affected by this legislation, yet choose to implement it on others.
Most people working for Catholic/religious groups are usually religious themselves, yet don’t follow the “Be fruitful and multiply” Biblical commandment to the letter. Most families DO utilize some form of birth control at some point.
So, while it IS their right to opt out, they should look at the bigger picture and see who is affected by their insistence. Do they want to let their staff go over this?
I have never heard of a Jewish group fighting contraception coverage.
Maybe the non-Jewish groups need to determine the correct Biblical definition of “fruitful;” and re-think how much else of the Bible they actually observe to demand this level of devotion to a single commandment.
That said, I’m against the Afordabull Care Act. The tax credit doesn’t matter one iota – the premium is way out of reach for my family.
GoldC – It has nothing to do with being fruitful. It has everything to do with preventing or eliminating a pregnancy.
Generally speaking, the Catholic church believes that birth control medicine prevents one from getting pregnant, akin to a pre-abortion. I think most “accept” that their parishners use the pill and are generally okay with it.
Obamacare takes it a step further by mandating health coverage to pay for abortions and morning after pill. That crosses the line because it is murdering a child, regardless of the development stage it is in.
Mandated federal dollars go to hog farming and I don’t hear the Muslim community spilling outrage over their taxes going against their religious ideology. That crosses the line because it allows people to eat bacon, pork chops, and baby backs. You can’t force your religious beliefs on the people at large. You can, however, worship how you like. No one is forcing you to get an abortion. No one is forcing anyone to eat pork. And, THE LAW is abortion is legal. I would personally never choose to abort, but that doesn’t mean someone else shouldn’t have that legal right to choose. And if they choose to, there ought to be safe options for them to practice so they aren’t butchering themselves in a back alley somewhere.