House Passes Obamacare Repeal, 217-213; Senate Support in Doubt

By , and | May 4, 2017

  • May 4, 2017 at 3:04 pm
    Boonedoggle says:
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    This bill provides an enormous opportunity for the private insurance market to claim the $8 billion, and agree to provide suitable coverage for all Americans with pre-existing conditions.
    Problem solved!

    • May 4, 2017 at 6:37 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      If it were only that easy.

      It doesn’t meet the HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS criteria, so it will die in the Senate.

      Today’s vote was symbolic of changes to come, and not the specific changes that will be enacted to fix the hyuuuge mess made by the Dems in 2010.

      Here come the lies from the Libitterals about millions and millions losing health care and HI…. in only a matter of … oh, they’ve already started a few hours ago.

  • May 4, 2017 at 4:09 pm
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    I am looking forward to reading the CBO’s analyzation of the financial impact of this bill, which is required before the Senate is even able to review the House’s AHCA plan.

    • May 4, 2017 at 6:37 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      First read the CBO’s assessment of ACA.

      Oh, wait! Never mind.

      • May 4, 2017 at 8:22 pm
        Conserving the Truth says:
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        Polar,

        Keep on high fiving yourself while the Senate refuses to vote on this abomination. They are putting together their own proposal with a 12 member working group. Another day, another joke. You do realize this whole thing was a power play, right? It so they can tell people like you, “SEE, we are making a difference! We are getting rid of OBAMACARE HARHAR” while in all reality nothing of substance has actually been done. You are the fakest, most backwards Republican I have ever known. Open your eyes.

      • May 5, 2017 at 8:42 am
        Rosenblatt says:
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        I did 7 years ago, so now I will wait for their analysis of the AHCA. What’s your problem with that?

        • May 5, 2017 at 9:08 am
          Captain Planet says:
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          The problem is obey, okay? Submit and obey. Oh, and be afraid. Obey, submit, and be afraid. Didn’t you see “They Live”?

          • May 5, 2017 at 2:36 pm
            FFA says:
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            Hey Cap, Obama is gone.

          • May 5, 2017 at 3:05 pm
            Ron says:
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            Agent,

            Really? If that is what you and the Republicans call obey and submit, I would say the anti-Trump people are obeying and submitting now.

        • May 5, 2017 at 3:31 pm
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          I once more ask, and expect another dodge of the question; what did the CBO project for ACA? How did that estimate turn out? I already heard about their ‘accuracy’ wrt ACA. Who will own up to reporting the CBO estimate of ACA?

          • May 5, 2017 at 4:40 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            PolarBear – if you’d like to discuss a specific projection you believe the CBO got totally wrong with the ACA, I’d be happy to do discuss that with you!

            Can you please identify AN ACTUAL ITEM you’d like to discuss in more detail so we can stay focused on whichever projection(s) you think the CBO was way off the mark about on the ACA, instead of a vague general ‘poo-pooing’ of their entire analysis?

            I promise not to post a “I’m not going down your rabbit hole” reply if you do bring up some specific item(s) of the CBO’s analysis of the ACA to discuss in more detail.

          • May 6, 2017 at 6:50 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @Rosenblatt; the CBO is an organization that says it is impartial. That is debatable. The request I made was for someone to post the CBO’s review summary of ACA and we can see how valuable it was after having seen the death spiral.

            I am NOT going to specify one error because there are many errors. I am NOT going to follow you down your rabbit hole debating TRIVIAL, MEANINGLESS DETAILS on the CBO. I have duties and obligations to do MEANINGFUL WORK.

            So, I once and finally ask, very clearly and specifically;

            Did the CBO project the death spiral? Yes or No?

          • May 9, 2017 at 6:03 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            No reply on CBO assessment of ACA, Rosie?

            No comment on why the CBO missed projecting the DEATH SPIRAL that is currently accelerating?

      • May 5, 2017 at 9:09 am
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Yes, it will fail in the Senate. The Senate may improve it to the point it satisfies the HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS criteria I suggested months ago. All of my digits on all of my paws are crossed, hoping for the ideal outcome. But Phase I has been achieved; i.e. repeal of ACA is a certainty now.

        • May 5, 2017 at 9:31 am
          Rosenblatt says:
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          PBR – Putting aside the CBO and the implications of their analysis regarding House votes & approval, as I’m sure you know if the Senate changes ANYTHING in the bill it has to go back to the House for another vote.

          Aren’t you concerned the Senate’s changes will not be accepted by House Republicans (who had such a hard time reaching an agreement these past few months) and then we’re back to square one again where the ACA repeal isn’t progressing?

          • May 5, 2017 at 10:10 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            No; the death spiral will soon take out ACA, and repeal will likely be a separate bill, as it should be. Then, politicians will realize their political lives depend on allowing and enabling insurance organizations (not only companies) to fix the mess left by Obama and the Dems. such fixes the politicians can enable and support are legislative reforms to regulations of commerce across state lines, tort laws that currentl depress the supply of medical care providers, and punitive tax laws (state, federal) that cause economic inefficiencies and disturb competitive market equilibrium.

          • May 5, 2017 at 10:15 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Each of the 3 major issues I listed above sh/would be treated with separate legislation. This is something I previously discussed, a few months ago, and it is likely to occur in the next few months.

            Eventually, an asymptotic progression of the language and terms in the separate chamber bills will yield convergence in Congress to the best solution; e.g. HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS.

          • May 5, 2017 at 3:00 pm
            Agent says:
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            I hate to tell you this Rosenblatt, but that is how the legislative process works to go back and forth. At least it won’t be behind closed doors in the middle of the night and then have an announcement that we had to pass it to see what was in it or have votes where no one read it because they were just lemmings following their leader into the abyss.

          • May 5, 2017 at 3:11 pm
            Ron says:
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            Agent,

            Anytime you want to start paying attention, please feel free.

            At least 3 GOP reps stated they voted yes without reading the entire bill. Who knows how many just would not admit to doing the same thing.

            This whole process has been behind closed doors. They did not even let the bipartisan CBO score it before a vote.

            Name one non-political organization that has come out to say they support this bill?

          • May 5, 2017 at 3:33 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @Ron: please pay attention: “…ENTIRE bill…”

            CAPS added for emphasis.

          • May 5, 2017 at 3:34 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @Ron; please cite the CBO estimate of ACA and then consider the ‘accuracy’ of their estimate over time, from 2010 to 2017.

            I’ll bet you can’t or won’t.

          • May 5, 2017 at 3:40 pm
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            PolarBeaRepeal,

            Why does that matter since, as you have said, the PPACA is dead? If that is dodging the question, I am guilty as charged. At least I will admit to it and not run and hide like you do when challenged.

            Can we focus on what is important now?

            You want us to accept President Trump, yet you are the one who keeps bringing up the past.

            My point is, the way the Republicans are trying to get this bill through is earily similar to the PPACA. And we all know how well that worked out.

          • May 5, 2017 at 3:51 pm
            Ron says:
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            Agent,

            If there things you hate to tell us, please stop telling us. It will save all of us a lot of time.

          • May 6, 2017 at 6:54 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @Ron, Confused, etc….. TELL EVERYONE READING IJ WHEREIN the CBO’s assessment of ACA it projected the eventual demise of ACA and the approximate time of the start of the death spiral. Ready, Steady,… GO!

        • May 5, 2017 at 3:27 pm
          Rosenblatt says:
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          You “hate to tell me” something I already said I knew, Agent?

          Nice trolling.

          Please stop commenting on my posts if you don’t have anything productive to add and just wish to needle me in your replies.

          • May 5, 2017 at 4:31 pm
            Agent says:
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            I use hate to tell you because you and Ron don’t seem to get “anything” as evidenced by your posts for at least the last 7 years. Perhaps I will start by saying “I love to tell you”. Will that be satisfactory? Your were both Obamacare advocates before you weren’t. Polar and I were against from March , 2010 for good reason. Both of you want to tear down a bill before it is actually in force. Where were you the last 7 years except Ron advocating for Single Payer, Socialism on steroids.

          • May 5, 2017 at 4:39 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            How about you don’t regurgitate what I wrote and try to pass it off as me being uninformed about that topic?

            I hate to tell you the ACA is a super-duper failure. I hate to tell you driving while texting is dangerous. I hate to tell you that being high on weed and driving is dangerous.

            You already knew all that, so why did I have to tell you like you didn’t already knew? I hate to tell you, but it’s absurd to say “I hate to tell you” or “I love to tell you” about something the person JUST acknowledged they knew. Anyway….

            What was the topic of this thread?
            Right.
            The AHCA vote.
            Unfortunately I don’t see that as part of your comment, so you’ve given me nothing on-topic to which I could reply.
            Hope you have a great weekend!

          • May 5, 2017 at 4:44 pm
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            I apologize Agent, you did make an on-topic statement.

            My first comment here was I am looking forward to reading the CBO’s analyzation of the financial impact…

            I am not looking to toss the bill out right now – I want to know its projected cost!

          • May 5, 2017 at 5:41 pm
            Agent says:
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            Rosenblatt, how about you do your own research instead of asking Polar to do it for you? You are whining like the typical Progressives and don’t even know how to use Google, much like the now infamous Confused asking Bob question after question ad nauseum. We aren’t here to carry your water. If you saw the CBO on the ACA, let us know what it said. Was it really as terrible as people believed?

          • May 5, 2017 at 6:47 pm
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            I will be glad to share my thoughts once I know which projection PBR was referencing with his original comment of the CBO’s analysis.

            I’m not bidding against myself

          • May 6, 2017 at 6:58 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            I hate to discuss matters with Rosenrabbithole because it often leads to ‘rabbit holes’ which I will not enter, knowing that such discussions are a waste of time and a diversion tactic of Liberals who know they cannot successfully debate the main topic.

      • May 5, 2017 at 9:10 am
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Psst; the 12 member group is larger than your count. Get inside info and report back to show you know what exactly is occurring. I doubt you will get beyond ’12 member group’.

  • May 5, 2017 at 10:48 am
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    I am not the only who foresees Single-Payer in our future.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/526a68e6-481a-30f2-82a7-01b7d9bc0b95/ss_on-fox-news%2C-charles.html

    • May 5, 2017 at 11:59 am
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      I am not the only one who doesn’t see SP in the future…

      • May 5, 2017 at 12:08 pm
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        What a devistating rebuttal with no links. You really showed him Yogi! (end sarcasm)

        • May 6, 2017 at 7:02 am
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          Links are needed to state an opinion?

          Please cite POLLS of OPINIONS of credible political pundits on the S-P issue mentioned by Krauthammer. There are plenty of credible people who have different opinions of the future of HI.

    • May 5, 2017 at 2:30 pm
      Captain Planet says:
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      That day can’t arrive soon enough, Ron.

      • May 5, 2017 at 2:42 pm
        FFA says:
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        And give the incompetent govt that is incapable of keeping their house in order control over my health?

        Im currently screwed waiting my Federal Hearing because no one in the system understands that 9 days late on a premium payment (they took my subsidy away and then gave it back the next month which is why they say I was late)is within the 960 day grace period mandated by a law that they themselves don’t have to follow. All due to some glitch in the system.

        Is that who you want in charge of your health care? Be care full what you wish for.

        • May 5, 2017 at 3:03 pm
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          FFA, we didn’t wish for the disaster we got either. It was foisted upon us by the Progressive element because they thought they were the smartest people in the room and then they said the American People were too dumb to understand. What terrible people they are!

        • May 5, 2017 at 3:17 pm
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          FFA,

          Single payer DOES NOT EQUAL Socialized medicine.

          It would actually lead to the government having less influence because it would eliminate Medicare, Medicaid and the VA health system. You know, all of the thing you guys constantly complain about.

          Single Payer only means that the government collects premiums, in the form of taxes, then pays the private companies who administer the care.

          It would solve your current issue. Do you think a for profit private company would be so sympathetic, especially if you have a pre-existing condition?

          Private companies have glitches, human and/or technological, all of the time. Why hold the government to a higher standard?

          • May 5, 2017 at 3:39 pm
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            Ron – You clearly state my concern.
            “Single Payer only means that the government collects premiums, in the form of taxes, then pays the private companies who administer the care.”

            They cant be trusted with money. The have proven that. I see no reason to believe it will change.

            Paul Ryan is just as bad as OBama with his lies – “we have a replacement plan ready” for years.

            I don’t think you hear me complain about Medicare (other then the govt robbed the system and my concerns that after I paid into the system for all these years, it may not be there for me when its my time), the VA (except for the poor lever of care our vets get – they deserve the absolute best). The choices of Docs in the Medicaid system is a complaint I hear often. I dont get it so I don’t know much about it.

          • May 5, 2017 at 3:47 pm
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            FFA,

            Considering the number of fraud, corruption, and improper handling of money private companies have been charged and fined for through the years, why should we trust them with our money either?

            Let’s agree that nothing will be perfect, but we need to find a solution that addresses the most of the problems in health care/insurance.

            Single Payer would solve everything you stated.

            I truly do understand and share your distrust of government as a whole. However, we have tried nearly every other approach with extremely poor results.

          • May 5, 2017 at 4:48 pm
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            Ron, Health Care was not this bad prior to PPACA. I had premiums I could afford. Didn’t have a third party web site to screw me. Didn’t have hours and hours of hold time for a simple question. Had people that understand English. Didn’t get piles and piles of paper in the mail. I had my flat $5000 ded then the carrier paid the rest. To be Continued.

          • May 7, 2017 at 8:19 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @Ron; Single Payer = Part of definition of Socialism.

            Simplistically denying it doesn’t make it so. Reality eventually will set in, and you’ll be forced to accept it.

          • May 8, 2017 at 8:00 am
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            FFA,

            I know that you know that I am, and have always been, against the PPACA. While health care may have been better for many people prior to the PPACA, to say it was good enough is misleading at best.

            Even the Republicans know this. Otherwise they would just repeal and go back. Unfortunately, they are more concerned with keeping promises and their jobs than doing what is best for this great country and her citizens.

          • May 8, 2017 at 8:05 am
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            PolarBeaRepeal,

            You said, “Single Payer = Part of definition of Socialism.”

            First, thank you for finally admitting that Single Payer is NOT Socialism.

            Second, which part of the definition of Socialism does Single Payer meet the criteria? Please include the definition of Socialism you are using and the source.

      • May 5, 2017 at 3:38 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Keep dreaming, just like you dreamed of POTUS Hillary.

        Only 3 years and 258 days until TrumPresident’s First term ends.

    • May 8, 2017 at 10:47 am
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      Look, a successful Republican businessman also agrees with me.

      https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/charlie-munger-says-single-payer-healthcare-solution-225404021.html

  • May 5, 2017 at 2:42 pm
    FFA says:
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    should have been 90 day grace – not 960. Fat Fingers today.

  • May 5, 2017 at 3:02 pm
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    Tort reform is not needed in this country. Malpractice suits and payments are at 20 year lows. Severity creeps up a point or two per year. It’s also a Constitutional issue.

    • May 5, 2017 at 3:39 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      Tell Congress to roll back WC and Auto NF laws. OK, thanks!

  • May 5, 2017 at 4:11 pm
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    PolarBear – if you’d like to discuss a specific projection you believe the CBO got totally wrong with the ACA, I’d be happy to do discuss that with you.

    Can you please identify AN ACTUAL ITEM you’d like to discuss in more detail so we can stay focused on whichever projection(s) you think the CBO was way off the mark about on the ACA, instead of a vague general ‘poo-pooing’ of their entire analysis?

    I promise not to post a “I’m not going down your rabbit hole” reply if you do bring up some specific item(s) of the CBO’s analysis of the ACA to discuss in more detail.

    • May 5, 2017 at 5:43 pm
      Agent says:
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      Rosenblatt, how about you provide your concerns about the CBO and we will reply to them.

      • May 5, 2017 at 6:44 pm
        Rosenblatt says:
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        Because PBR raised the issue in the first place.

      • May 5, 2017 at 6:48 pm
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        I’m not bidding against myself

      • May 9, 2017 at 9:43 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        The CBO is a JOKE! they completely missed the death spiral.
        Fire all of them, ASAP!

        • May 10, 2017 at 9:01 am
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          Heard this from a colleague: CBO = Cohorts of Barack Obama.

          Quite fitting, given that they gave good grades to ACA.

          But, what about the DEATH SPIRAL?

          Ooops!



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