““Our findings suggest that as more states move toward legalizing marijuana for recreational use, we also need to think about investing in substance use prevention and treatment to prevent unintended harms—particularly among adolescents,” added Cerdá.”
I absolutely echo this, because we are certainly moving toward legalizing MJ for rec use federally within a decade or less. So, let’s get these programs going immediately so they are in place once MJ is legal in all 50.
But that is what was promised by the states legalizing: they would use the tax dollars to inform the public.
And yet you and others on IJ, presumably college graduates, had to be educated by me and others. That THC causes psychosis. IQ loss. Emotional and PHYSICAL addiction. Damage to the unborn. Permanent mental illness. Stunting of emotions.
And you denied much of that for a long time. Others denied – and STILL deny – much of it.
So where is the education you Pot Fans promised? If IJ readers can’t be educated . . . and if addiction is going up with both kids and adults in states that legalized, as the article says, where are the promised “education” dollars?
The failure of of your logic is not flattering. Your lack of compassion and honesty about the consequences of legalization is typical of you. “It’s not working so let’s do more of it until it works!” As if MORE adverse results won’t follow.
Yes, Perplexed, it is. Because of its solubility, there are no signs of physical addiction or dependence, no physical withdrawal symptoms. There are those who have addictive personalities, and so a psychological dependence is what they point to. Though, anymore, clinicians don’t really draw a difference between the 2, because the result for an individual may be the same which is, some type of dependence on a substance.
Captain your last sentence seems to “undo” your first 2 sentences. In the end those who think it should be legal will not acknowledge that it’s as addictive as alcohol and causes damage to young people quickly. Teens that used a lot are clearly addicted and find it very hard to stop using. That’s no different than being addicted to the highs, numbing, whatever people get from over imbibing in alcohol, drugs, etc. My 20 year old grandson will also tell you it permanently dulls the brain and sadly, he would be an expert. He’s never used cocaine or heroin, he did all that damage with marijuana and he’s not the only one in his old crowd.
November 13, 2019 at 2:20 pm
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No, it is an “and” and not a “but”. It is hard to acknowledge it is addictive because some are still hung on the physical vs psychological. I noted the reasons above. And, I do agree, it doesn’t really matter because it is addictive to some people. Anyone who partakes in substances should proceed with caution, use responsibly, and understand the ramifications of abusing the substance.
I, too, know many who smoked multiple times a day, every day, all 4 years in college and then some. A few have kept with it and use it responsibly as well as moderately. They are highly successful people and leaders in their communities. The rest of them just grew out of it as they started families. They didn’t even miss it. More or less just decided they’d didn’t want illegal substances in their homes so opted for glasses of wine instead. No permanent dulling of the brain. Is your grandson certain the illegal product he was purchasing wasn’t laced with other substances? The black market likes to lace weed with PCP, for example.
November 14, 2019 at 2:34 pm
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“There are those who have addictive personalities, and so a psychological dependence is what they point to”
Incorrect, you do not have to have the addictive personality for this psychological dependence, also, this is the stronger addiction to have.
You keep acting as if this is a lesser form of addiction. Marijuana, is highly, addictive. Repeat after me.
November 14, 2019 at 2:40 pm
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Cite your evidence for this contradiction, because just stating someone is “incorrect” with zero data to back you up does nothing to the conversation except pointlessly troll someone’s well thought out point. You are wrong, BTW.
November 19, 2019 at 2:06 pm
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alcohol is addictive, cigarettes are addictive, chocolate is addictive, running is addictive, sex is addictive, gambling is addictive, caffeine is… You get the picture. Experts generally agree that addiction is a brain disorder and not a personality trait. So, if it wasn’t pot, a person might very well be addicted to something else. Let’s face it, pot is natural, been around for “thousands of years” (yes, Craig, I said thousands. Over 5,000 years to be precise) and you could certainly be addicted to worse things. Get off the Reefer Madness train and calm down. Smoke a joint. You’ll feel better.
November 13, 2019 at 1:40 pm
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I am sick of your misinformation, Craig. You didn’t educate me on anything, especially when it comes to MJ. And,here you are peddling your misinformation yet again.
Okay Pot Pusher. Learn nothing, pretend you know it all.
THC is PHYSICALLY addictive and I linked to the reputable science that backs it up. People can be addictive to the point they feel bad physically if they don’t have THC.
Everything I have stated about THC is proving to be true. Use and addiction rates are UP for young people, something many IJ posters (you?) denied. And still deny.
Is THC physically addictive? I will link to the science again after you answer.
For you, “reputable science” seems to mean science you agree with. I felt bad when I have had a bad hair day. Am I physically addicted to hair or can I go without it once I lose it all? Am I going to have hair withdrawal? Face it, no one is getting the DTs from lack of MJ. It’s solubility doesn’t allow for it, unlike that of alcohol which is water soluble.
So I am a pot pusher, huh? You know very little about me if that’s what you are suggesting. It seems to me you are just a freedom denier to the majority of American adults who want this substance legalized.
November 13, 2019 at 5:50 pm
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You didn’t answer the question. Hmmmmm.
November 13, 2019 at 6:30 pm
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Guess where the following came from:
Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30 percent of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.18 People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults.19
Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.20,21 Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.22,23
I read the same thing before, figuring it would be a matter of time before you tried to spring this. But, like you and climate science, it’s a hoax. Same symptoms as PMS. Same symptoms as when I don’t get enough sleep, work out too late at night, or have a bad day at work. Hardly settled science here, Craig. Too many uncertains in the studies, so let’s break it down even further:
“…which takes the form of addiction in severe cases.” (not every case like other physically addictive substances?)
“Recent data suggest” (hmm, interesting word – why didn’t they choose ‘prove’ or ‘evidence’?)
“often associated” (again interesting word choice here, ‘often’. If it’s so dang physically addictive, it would always happen – you know, like all other physically addictive substances – unavoidable because the body actually DEPENDS on it)
“often report” – same as above
Lasts 1-2 weeks. Even if it was true, hardly a lifetime of dependence such as alcohol.
“Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug…”
Thanks for making my point – adults should be allowed to choose to use this responsibly and moderately and have very low expectations of becoming addicted.
November 14, 2019 at 10:21 am
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I did a little study of my own this morning. I have 3 daughters, so I asked them what happens when they don’t get enough sleep. I asked:
1. Do you get irritable and more inclined to be in a bad mood? All 3 answered yes.
2. Does it throw off your sleep schedule and cause sleep difficulties for perhaps the next few nights? All 3 answered yes.
3. Does it affect your appetite, make you crave foods like sugary foods you may not have craved otherwise? All 3 answered yes.
4. Does it cause restlessness or a sense of being uneasy? All 3 answered yes.
5. Are your muscles sometime sore or do you experience body pains? All 3 answered yes.
6. (I added this one) Is it difficult to phrase simple sentences and answer questions you might if you had a good night’s rest? All 3 answered yes.
Seems to me, these MJ users are just tired. Their bodies don’t depend on the drug, they aren’t vomiting and getting the sweats, their bodies just need some rest. Their psychological state may depend on the drug. I have never argued against that. I would agree those users who answer this way have allowed their minds to trick their bodies into thinking they need the MJ. But, they don’t.
November 14, 2019 at 11:07 am
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Interesting…I attempted to do a study with my 12 year-old daughter this morning. It went more like this:
me: Good morning….Hey, can I ask you a…
my daughter: DADDY! LEAVE ME ALONE! YOU KNOW NOT TO TALK TO ME IN THE MORNING! I HATE SCHOOL! WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS ON MY CASE??? DON’T TALK TO ME ANYMORE!
November 14, 2019 at 11:54 am
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Captain Planet: “low expectations of becoming addicted”. Uh, did you read the article? 30% of users show dependence. Did you read the numbers on addiction?
And your dumb comment on “2 weeks” of physical withdrawal applies to alcohol too, smart guy. That’s how long it takes most addicts of any sort to shed the physical illness.
Talk to rehabilitation experts: most will tell you relapse rates for alcoholics who quit are lower than relapse rates for THC addicts. (But Captain Planet said booze is worse and CP is an expert and CP wants more people to smoke more pot. “Responsibly” is the hilarious get-out-of-jail card.)
November 14, 2019 at 12:44 pm
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Thurgood:
I’m here today because I’m addicted..to marijuana.
Rehab patient:
You in here ‘cuz of marijuana?! Man, this is some *$%!$%!
Bob Saget/Cocaine addict:
Marijuana is not a drug. I used to ****** for coke.
Rehab patient:
I seen him [do it]!
Bob Saget/Cocaine addict:
Now that’s an addiction, man. You ever ***** for marijuana?
Thurgood:
No, I can’t say I have.
Bob Saget/Cocaine addict:
I didn’t think so.
Rehab patient:
Boo this man!
November 14, 2019 at 1:01 pm
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I have waned to reference that conversation so many times with Craig, but I know he’s too much of a fuddy duddy to have ever seen that movie. So good.
November 14, 2019 at 1:09 pm
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Totally with you confused!
Hey Craig,
Do you know anyone turning tricks for some MJ? That’s the sign of physical dependence. Ever seen “Requiem for A Dream”? Those are the signs of physical dependence. Ever watch an alcoholic drink? Those are the signs of physical dependence. Most people who smoke take a few hits and are done with it. Set it down, walk away, and go about their way. The pipe isn’t calling them back. You peddle so much misinformation out here, it’s hardly worth talking to you about it any longer. Your big THC Scary Monster! Just like Loch Ness – doesn’t exist!
November 14, 2019 at 1:20 pm
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Craig wrote, ” Uh, did you read the article? 30% of users show dependence. Did you read the numbers on addiction?”
Let’s play the Craig science card – fake news, hoax, studies are too new because MJ use goes back thousands of years.
Also, be careful what you are saying about the word ADDICTION. The article you are sourcing clearly states, “…some degree of MJ use disorder.” Not the same as addiction, is it Craig? Let alone, physical dependency.
Checkmate.
November 14, 2019 at 3:08 pm
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Truth must be getting to you, CP. Your comments are getting nastier and nastier and further from truthful.
For people who know something about pot, “dependence” is often used by researchers in lieu of “addiction”.
And no, nobody turns tricks for vodka, so I guess there is no such thing as an alcoholic either, right Smart Guy?
Truly. Tell your kids all the nonsense you spew on IJ. Let’s see what happens. Probably the same thing as in this article: higher likelihood of dependence (but don’t worry, that’s not addiction so who gives a crap).
November 14, 2019 at 3:41 pm
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Nah, not getting to me at all. I just like feeding you your own medicine. You don’t like how it tastes, after all.
I tried agreeing with you on SOME of the things, but then you started suggesting I agreed with the misinformation you peddle, putting words in my mouth, which isn’t cool. I do believe there are far more harmful substances for adults to choose than MJ, though. And, the history of ingesting the plant supports that. Hard to believe this is the hill you are choosing to die on. But, to each their own. Like I have said before, your passion no matter how off base it is, is admirable.
As far as your alcohol comment and turning tricks – yes, some do actually. Ever heard of lot lizards preying on truck drivers? Turn a trick or 3, purchase a couple bottles, stay warm for the night. Rinse and repeat. They get busted at the nearby truck stops here all the time. The sgt across the street has tons of stories about busting them. What was that comment about Smart Guy?
November 14, 2019 at 7:50 pm
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Oh, wait! CP says NO ONE ever turns tricks for marijuana. He did a study. Went to all the high schools and colleges in the country.
Even though alcohol is MORE available than pot. It is cheap and at every liquor store on every corner in every city in America.
You make a fool out of yourself now with every added comment. Keep it up. I’m laughing. You are turning into Jon.
November 15, 2019 at 7:53 am
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Reading comprehension 101:
I wrote, “Do you know anyone turning tricks for some MJ?” (Honest question as you claim to go to all these rehab centers and talk to hundreds of doctors…)
Craig wrote, “CP says NO ONE ever turns tricks for marijuana. He did a study. Went to all the high schools and colleges in the country.”
Stay in school, kids!
PS – I clearly noted that I actually do know of people who turn tricks (and have been arrested) in truck stop parking lots in order to earn money so they can purchase alcohol. Thanks for trying out, Craig!
November 13, 2019 at 1:14 pm
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Someone paid for this to be researched. Seriously ?
I did extensive pot research in college. All they had to do was ask the pot heads that don’t smoke it any longer.
You suckers keep smoking it and legalizing it, see what you get.
Do you own a Doritos dispensary or something? Hand out free pizza? Besides, who is taking your AR15 away? I thought Obama was supposed to do that years ago and he didn’t.
Cap planet- No I don’t, I write a lot of auto insurance. I see the stupidity of legalizing pot benefiting several major players. I just name a few here. 1. Lawyers that handle wrecks. 2. Insurance companies that get to raise premiums because of the wrecks. 3. Insurance agents that get to write the higher premiums for higher commissions, but then get to hear the bitching from people like you that are too stupid to see the forest for the trees. There are others, but no need to go on.
Democrats don’t have the backbone or intelligence to take my AR15’s so I’ll be keeping them.
So you are keeping your AR15s for the lawyers that handle recs, the insurance companies raising premiums, or the agents who get higher premiums? Which one is “this reason alone”? Are they coming to take your guns? Are you going to shoot at them? Are they shooting at you?
Jack, are you getting ready to shoot a bunch of stoners? Seems like poor sportsmanship to me. Sort of like shooting fish in a barrel. All they want is some good tunes and a bundt cake.
Let’s see how long we can stay on-topic and not devolve the debate into insults, attacks, off-topic rants and the like…
Martins stated, “legalization efforts should coincide with prevention and treatment. The general public should be informed about both benefits and potential harms of marijuana products to make informed decisions,””
Can we all agree with this statement, and can we all agree with it without getting political, attacking others, or responding to arguments that have not been posted in this thread?
Who wouldn’t agree with that? Seriously. It is the one thing I have stated over and over. If everyone knew the dangers, I would be in favor of legalization. But they don’t, obviously, as I have stated over and over.
The point is that prevention and informing the public about potential harms is NOT happening, and kids and adults are getting hurt as a result.
I thank you for your on-topic reply which did not include insults, personal attacks, or other argument fallacies. I appreciate your successful attempt to keep this part of the thread relevant to the article and mature in nature. Thank you for playing.
You do that on a daily basis, yet you have the audacity to continuously call others out even though frequently they answer your question (just not to your liking). Seriously Craig, cut it out and debate like an adult. Again take the advice from Smooth.
November 13, 2019 at 5:53 pm
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1. Rosenblatt asked for a civil answer. I gave it to him.
2. I asked Rosenblatt for a civil answer. He ignored it.
3. helpingout attacks me.
Ho hum. Another day, more nonsense. P.S. The article was about addiction rates going up in States that legalized pot. Now, who would have guessed that was the truth?
November 13, 2019 at 7:14 pm
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Craig – if you read my response to SAK below, you’d see I already answered your question. Do i really need to post the same thing multiple times?
November 13, 2019 at 7:37 pm
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Hey Rosenblatt: I am not SAK. FYI. (Next time I will answer helpingout when you ask a question. Or maybe someone else. In the interest of civility.)
And no, you didn’t answer the question: I asked if you agree. You didn’t say yes or no.
November 13, 2019 at 9:41 pm
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Sigh. I know you’re not him, but I also know you read this entire comment section. It’s clear my answer is – no, I do not agree “prevention and informing the public about potential harms is NOT happening” evidenced by D.A.R.E and the ad’s I’ve seen in my legal recreational state.
PS – You’re getting a little attitude-y right now. Calm down or stop posting replies to me here.
November 14, 2019 at 9:10 am
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I also would disagreed I attacked you. You haven’t been debating really on this site anymore. You attack a lot, post a lot of false information (some of it is relatively okay), and you shift goal posts. If you stopped doing this, and following up endlessly without answering questions, maybe people will take you more seriously.
November 13, 2019 at 2:31 pm
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The difference is, your idea of “Potential harms” include things that aren’t actually potential harms. You KEEP insisting that marijuana causes psychosis and schizophrenia, that it’s addictive and this horrible drug. There are issues, but not the blatantly false issues that you keep spouting and being proven wrong about on here over and over.
I do disagree, there are programs in place for prevention and treatment in a lot of areas, however, I do feel a lot of them are ineffective because they are the same old same old and both kids and adults get bored hearing the same message over and over and really don’t pay attention. The powers that be that put these things together need to start becoming more imaginative and think outside the box and really engage kids and adults to get them talking and actually listening to the message being presented.
I do agree that we need to educate everyone regarding positive and negative/good and bad with regards to this issue so adults can make informed decisions and kids and parents can have ongoing discussions with one another.
Was it really necessary to get snarky with Rosenblatt? (S)He (sorry not sure on gender) was being polite and appreciative in your response to the comment. Also agreement on on needing better education for eveyrone was discussed, maybe not directly to your comment but an answer/position was stated.
Rosenblatt, I do agree that we do need to have prevention and treatment programs put into place and that the public does need to be educated on all aspects of use. I also do agree with Craig in the respect that in states with legalization now these things should be done and if they are not working then changed so they are more successful. In states where it is not yet legal we should see these programs being put into place because well it just makes sense. I do agree with Captain that we will eventually see all 50 states legalize as well as federal legalization. It would see that the powers that be should get their acts together NOW and put these programs into place so they are heard and have an effect.
I agree with you 100% SAK. At first I wasn’t sure if you were implying from your comments of “put these programs into place” and “these things should be done” that you were saying no such education programs exist, but you did add the qualifier of “if they are not working then changed” which I agree with in full.
As someone who was forced to attend D.A.R.E. courses and lives in a state where recreational marijuana is legal and who sees signs and warnings posted about SOME of its dangers, I definitely fall into the camp of “significantly better education is necessary” as opposed to needing to “put the programs in place” in the first place.
And I thank you for keeping with the intent of this part of the comment section I started. If only this type of back and forth could be the norm rather than the exception around here. Oh well … dreamers can dream :D
I did the DARE program as well and remember not really paying much attention as it seemed boring and just another stupid lecture (in my middle school mind). When my son was in middle school and high school and listening to the lectures he was the same way……just another stupid lecture from adults telling me NOT to do something. I am not expert but it would seem that the message is not being delivered effectively because it is being done in an outdated manner…….
And I completely agree, I wish there could be more back and forth of opinions in a civil manner that doesn’t get all gunked up by politics and name calling. I will say I have noticed your efforts to be more on topic and I for one have appreciated it.
The DARE program was actually really harmful to the younger generations. There have been studies how it actually increased psychedelic drug use compared to those who were not exposed to the program.
I can believe that! I have always been a firm believer that when you tell a child/young adult No because I say so, it never is taken seriously. Honestly I really feel like we do not give teens the credit for their ability to respond to being talked to in a more adult manner. Tell them all the positive and negatives AND the reasons why it is harmful to them when they are not fully developed and grown. I think kids would listen and maybe even take to heart what they are being told. But again I am no expert!
November 13, 2019 at 5:25 pm
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I am with you! I was apart of the DARE program, but I learned a lot more from my parents talking to me about these things rather than that program.
I also think people need to stop spreading false information. There have been a lot of bad campaigns over the years, and if people continue to push false narratives, they could be telling their kids bad information that could contribute to future issues they could face with drugs.
Wishing you the best!
November 13, 2019 at 7:26 pm
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Completely agree with you two – current education is insufficient and most definitely needs to be bolstered. (And in case you’re confused Craig – this is not the post I referenced when I said I already answered you. I was talking about my prior response to SAK)
November 14, 2019 at 11:29 am
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Look for my response to this post in a response to someone else . . .
November 13, 2019 at 1:22 pm
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More and more use on the job site as well, how will that be dealt with in the future? Is it legal with a 215 card (Cali medical use)? We are seeing problems since legalization, one big one that was posed by the industry reps last night, how can we (the city) work to lower their costs (taxes and fees) since the black market has actually increased and is taking sales away from the legit dispensaries. We knew it would happen this way, but our city council knew better and after spending 875K on a Lincoln Lawyer to set things up we are now stuck with an ordinance that is not working.
We are aware that some sort of reliable system for detecting marijuana, as with alcohol and breathalyzers, is being developed. That will hopefully help with the job site problems. Right now in CA it’s medical and recreationally legal. The issues with the black market aren’t super apparent in California. Most marijuana users have gone the legal route for ease of business and high quality. The problem is that because regulations are so difficult in California, a lot of growers are selling to other states. Once legalization is everywhere and the regulations have been relaxed on distribution, we’re going to see the black market go away just as we did with prohibition. Unfortunately, if you grow a large amount in CA but can only get half of it regulated for sale in CA, it’s easier to sell the other half illegally in another state. That goes away with federally legal marijuana.
There is absolutely no doubt now that the majority of Americans want to completely legalize marijuana nationwide. Our numbers grow on a daily basis.
The prohibitionist view on marijuana is the viewpoint of a minority and rapidly shrinking percentage of Americans. It is based upon decades of lies and propaganda.
Each and every tired old lie they have propagated has been thoroughly proven false by both science and society.
Their tired old rhetoric no longer holds any validity. The vast majority of Americans have seen through the sham of marijuana prohibition in this day and age. The number of prohibitionists left shrinks on a daily basis.
With their credibility shattered, and their not so hidden agendas visible to a much wiser public, what’s left for a marijuana prohibitionist to do?
Maybe, just come to terms with the fact that Marijuana Legalization Nationwide is an inevitable reality that’s approaching much sooner than prohibitionists think, and there is nothing they can do to stop it!
Legalize Nationwide!…and Support All Marijuana Legalization Efforts!
Regarding “The Children”,
Let’s not use “The Children” as an excuse to prohibit and criminalize adult use of a natural plant far less dangerous than perfectly legal alcohol because nobody condones child use, and this is about allowing adults only to choose marijuana.
It’s our responsibility as parents by to educate our children on drug use. It’s not the government’s job to force Draconian Marijuana Laws upon every adult citizen under the guise of protecting “The Children”.
What message are we sending our children when it is easier for them to obtain marijuana now with it being illegal than it is for them to buy alcohol?
It doesn’t take the intellect of a genius to understand that stores card kids for I.D. Thugs and gang members do not. They also push the real hard drugs on children. Stores do not.
Marijuana legalization will make it harder for children to obtain it.
What message does it send our children when serveral the Presidents of The United States themselves alongside a long list of successful people openly admit regular pot use at one time or another in their lives?
While we tell our kids how it will ruin their futures, and then ensure so, by allowing our government to to jail our children and give them permanent criminal records when they get caught with a little Marijuana. Especially, if they are the wrong skin color or from the “wrong neighborhood”. Which in turn, ruins their chances of employment for life.
The Prohibition of Marijuana is the wrong message to send our children while we glorify, advertise and promote the much more dangerous use of alcohol like it’s an all American pastime.
The worst thing about marijuana and our children is what happens to them when they get caught up in the criminal justice system due to it’s prohibition.
Protect “The Children” and Our Neighborhoods Through The Legalization and Regulation of Marijuana Nationwide!
Children are obtaining it anyway, because there are people on the street not regulated who sell it to them. It’s harder for children to get alcohol, since there aren’t just dudes on the corner selling whiskey. If you eliminate the prohibition, common sense dictates it will become harder to purchase as the only ways to purchase will be legal avenues. Use your head for once you GD hypocritical jackass. You up above chided Rosen for not answering your question, why don’t you ever answer mine? Coward.
Dumb comment of the day: “prohibition” WAS eliminated in states that legalized and that was the focus of the study where dependence by children rates went UP.
As if you were to be taken seriously, here goes again:
Please link to the science that says THC is not addictive, does not cause loss of IQ, does not cause psychosis, does not cause brain damage and emotional problems for children in the womb, can not lead to permanent mental illness, does not cause deaths in car accidents, is not connected to higher rates of suicide, and doesn’t lead to loss of verbal acuity and memory loss.
Real credible science, dude. Check out this paragraph from your link: (Yes equals one puff! HA HA HA HA!)
But others say the new study has flaws—most importantly, a lack of detail about how often and in what quantity the teens used marijuana. The Minnesota and Los Angeles groups used different surveys about drug use. The Los Angeles group’s questions were far less thorough, Patton says. In surveys administered to that group, for example, participants were asked, “Have you ever tried marijuana?” If a 13-year-old respondent answered “yes” after taking just one puff, they could be considered a drug user for every subsequent measurement.
A just-published study in The Lancet involving, among others, researchers at King’s College London, compared 900 people who had been treated for psychosis with 1,200 people who had not. Sample participants were drawn from across Europe and Brazil.
Both groups were surveyed on a host of factors, including their use of marijuana and other drugs. The study’s authors concluded that “people who smoked marijuana on a daily basis were three times more likely to be diagnosed with psychosis compared with people who never used the drug. For those who used high-potency marijuana daily, the risk jumped to nearly five times.”
By “high-potency” the researchers meant marijuana with a THC content of more than ten percent. To put that figure in context, a study of the weed seized by the DEA between 1995 and 2014 found the THC content went from about 4 percent in 1995 to 12 percent in 2014.
Today, it’s not uncommon to read of marijuana that’s legally-sold in places like Colorado with THC content above 20 percent, occasionally 30 percent! Legalization advocates minimize the exponential growth in potency by saying that twenty or more years ago, Americans didn’t have access to “the good stuff.”
November 14, 2019 at 9:31 am
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Post the Lancet link. You have posted some before that went nowhere, so the burden of proof is on you to prove that. I also don’t understand why you quote things without actually linking your source, you did that last time and the link went no where.
Overall I think the study does have some merit that needs to be examined more. It does not say anything about lowering IQ in the studies the CNN article is referencing (haven’t you also said CNN is fake new before? Why is this one not? Because it confirms your belief and you can interpret it way past what the studies say?). It does lower verbal memory, but they were not able to attribute it to THC, as they admit in the study they were not able to restrict the over the 5,000 people in the study from other illicit drugs (it admits in the study that participants used illicit drugs and that it could throw off the results)
Now your IQ claim and how it lowers it. The study does not actually say those who smoke lose IQ points. Here is a quote from the link within the link:
Mason Tvert, communications director with the Marijuana Policy Project, said the study doesn’t show using marijuana causes any of these problems; it just underscores a link between individuals who use marijuana and those who experience these types of problems.
“The article expressly states that there remains no evidence that using marijuana causes depression, suicide or dropping out of school,” he said. “It simply shows that teens who are prone to developing these problems are more likely to have used marijuana.”
Overall this CNN article is like FOX, it is a fear-mongering campaign. It is also discussing the overall effects it has on adolescents, not adults. We have said multiple times, children should not use cannabis, and adults should weigh the risks, and yes every single intoxicant has a risk associated with it.
I would again you learn to read the studies behind the articles you link. By not doing this, you are leaving yourself uneducated on the topics at hand.
November 14, 2019 at 11:11 am
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LOL @ Craig using CNN and misinformation to try and prove a point. Hypocrites gonna hypocrite. You got proven wrong and still deny it LOL
November 14, 2019 at 11:22 am
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For the third time, helpingout, post YOUR links that deny everything I have been saying.
Nitpicking CNN?!??!!? Please. CNN may be a fraud on politics and economics, but like the NY Times, they are good on health issues.
Show you have a mind of your own and aren’t a shill for the Left: criticize Jon’s silly link. It is easy to do when the responses of kids to questions from strange adults are the measure, when answers to questions about ever using pot makes you a “drug user” in the survey.
Show you are an honest, intelligent person. Walk the walk. Where are YOUR links?
November 14, 2019 at 11:28 am
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Why do I need links when the things you post are refuting what you are saying?
Additionally, I have posted numerous links this year, and so have many others on here including but not limited to: Smooth, Captain, rosenblatt, Jon, and myself.
I understand your frustration with Jon, he uses the same tactics as you do on this site. I have said numerous times I don’t agree with either of your ways to debate, but I understand Jon’s feelings and motivations because you don’t support your own points, yet you still back try to back them up.
I can post links after you do the Lancet one. I also have asked you correct that one link you used for 3 days straight that ended in PCM512A, that brought people to a page saying this page does not exist. Maybe you fix that, and I can post some more science to help with your education on the subject.
You also confirmed you have the confirmation bias. Every organization has political bias even if it is very slight, but journalists are journalists. You are more apt to listen to an opinion host who doesn’t fact check stores they put out then real journalists who are trying to research the truth. The article you posts was a fear-mongering article, because the studies behind them refuted your own points. What else ya got?
November 14, 2019 at 12:11 pm
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Here are the people who disagree with something called the “Marijuana Policy Project” (heh heh):
The American Medical Association
The American Psychiatry Association
The esteemed journal, Biological Psychiatry.
The National Institute on Drug Abuse.
What else Ya got?
November 14, 2019 at 1:03 pm
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You didn’t answer the question. Hmmmmm.
Hey Craig, so you didn’t post the link. Hmmmmm. Hypocrite.
November 14, 2019 at 1:04 pm
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Additionally, your argument is so open ended it’s not actually arguing anything. People who “disagree with the marijuana policy” vaguebook much? You haven’t answered to your repeated lies, responded to Helping in any way, or answered to your IMMEDIATELY proven wrong statements. You just keep posting vague quotes (you’ve been known to make up quotes before, remember when you posted six links and a quote thatwasn’t featured in any of those links? I do) you are caught in lies and just keep lying more to try and cover it.
November 14, 2019 at 1:26 pm
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Craig,
The potency of MJ is always changing naturally. Some of us call it the weathering of the plant. These studies are so recent, they don’t actually show any change. Where are the potency records from thousands of years ago?
November 14, 2019 at 2:55 pm
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I will ask Craig to prove his assertion that those organizations are against this legitimate group. This group is used to reform laws regarding cannabis. They state that pretty openly with what they do, and not one organization you cited (again false information?) has come out against this group who uses science and statistics to argue the end of prohibition regarding cannabis.
What real evidence do you have? Or are you just going to once again do one of your goal post shifting and needless attack.
I put the what else ya got reference because you are posting links that refute what you are arguing. This indicates you aren’t reading the studies, you aren’t comprehending the studies, you are intentionally misrepresenting the studies, or a mix of the three.
Please please please Craig, go take a class on how to interpret these things as I sincerely think it will help your comprehension of what people are arguing and why we are saying you are not comprehending what you are posting.
November 14, 2019 at 8:12 pm
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“Where are the potency records from thousands of years ago?”
HA HA HA HA HA! Here’s my comeback: “What were the addiction rates from thousands of years ago?” Just as silly.
Potency has gone up in the last 20 years as people have learned how better to cultivate pot. Everybody knows that. DUH!
November 15, 2019 at 7:59 am
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Craig,
Please meet sarcasm. Sarcasm, please meet Craig. I’m spitting your climate science arguments back at you because they seem as silly to me as it does to you when I apply such “logic” to MJ. Now that we have that out of the way…
November 15, 2019 at 8:02 am
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Craig – Do you still think “prevention and informing the public about potential harms is NOT happening” or would you now agree with me that even a program like DARE, although not doing a great job, do[es] currently exist so prevention & informing IS actually happening?
November 19, 2019 at 3:31 pm
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Legalization WILL make it harder to get. When I was 17 or 18 Icouldn’t get alcohol to save my life. Pot, on the other hand, was easy to get. When you get a chance, visit a legal dispensary. They have off-duty police as security and your license is scanned and a background record obtained before they let you in the door. Please try some education for yourself! I feel sorry for you looking so clueless on here.
And yet this article, published by Insurance Journal, says that dependence and addiction rates were both UP for kids and adults in States that legalized pot for fun. How is that possible if access if less for kids?
So your theory is incorrect; legalization did NOT make it harder to get. The black market is bigger and now pot is available in MORE places and from more people, not less.
Do you value your identity as an honest person? Then you must admit that so far, the theory that legalization will make pot harder to get is false.
Let’s dissect the logic, and your lack of it in regards to this. There is a still a black market, and there is a black market in legal states that are selling cannabis in states where it is illegal. This causes an easy market for young kids to get there hands on this stuff.
Now if we made it easier to get cannabis and implement laws almost exactly the same as alcohol, this would curb the youth consumption rate, similar how it worked with alcohol!
Craig, the theory is not wrong, but there are issues with it in regards that when people discuss this, they are more than likely taking about it curbing the youth if it was legalized everywhere, but your simplistic approach to this theory is flawed in many ways.
November 19, 2019 at 6:28 pm
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I worry about what THC is doing to your brain.
The article we are commenting on said what? That dependency for kids went UP in states that legalized pot for fun. Ergo, if we legalize in the states next door, it would have zero impact on reducing under age use for states that already legalized.
Geez. Very sad.
November 20, 2019 at 9:10 am
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Again I don’t partake and I never have. I would much rather have a nice bourbon or an IPA, but I am for personal liberties. What is wrong with you that you constantly need to put a label on anyone who agrees with legalization as someone who smokes cannabis. Neither Captain or I partake, but you constantly make comments about our THC consumption.
It is easy to educate yourself on these topics, you just don’t and only look for sources and words that confirm your personal bias. You have proven that time and time again.
Very sad you can’t see your own bias from your family experience. I had someone die from alcoholism, but I understand it was on them and not the substance. That is the biggest difference between us Craig.
November 13, 2019 at 2:56 pm
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This is nothing more than government sponsored Reefer Madness propaganda. Bogus!
At the very end of the article: “Funding for the study was provided by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.”
What they are not saying, is that these same people decreased their alcohol and over the counter medication use. Their liver, their family, and their friends are grateful they are now enjoying cannabis and not killing themselves with booze. 100 die a day from alcohol. Zero die from cannabis. Doesn’t wreck your liver. Doesn’t cause cancer. Helps some cancers, and has reduced difference forms of cancerous tumors. America will be a better place the more that people replace alcohol with cannabis. At least those that enjoy not being hungover, not destroying their liver, not saying and doing things they wake up the next day and regret, and being able to stop without suffering possible life threatening withdrawal symptoms.
Unfortunately this information from Sage is not correct.
THC / Cannabis is known to damage the brain.
There have been deaths from cannabis consumption — Canadian who consumed a THC laced candy; completed suicides of those while consuming cannabis; liver damage; known cancers are linked to cannabis consumption particularly head,neck, and throat cancers.
There are many young people who are in rehab for addiction to cannabis. Their road to recovery has been difficult.
The entire cannabis plant is a known allergen — hence we have first responders who are exposed to cannabis grows and/or processing operations who respond for either human emergencies or fires who are exposed to the allergen plant and subsequently develop rashes and hives. We have persons who are asthmatic who have gone into anaphylactic shock from exposure to others growing weed or the second hand smoke from weed.
And we also know that mothers who have and/or are consuming cannabis while pregnant increase the likelihood that their child will be born with a lower birth weight, lower IQ, missing limbs, vascular problems, and a host of other mild-significant birth defects.
Those in the insurance industry would be wise to assure that the information they are relying upon to issue policies is truthful and accurate and not the efforts of those who have a financial or personal interest in furthering access to cannabis.
and those who post on this website would be wise to assure that the information they are posting is truthful and accurate. for example, that canadian did not die from cannabis candy. stop spreading lies
Unfortunately, your information isn’t entirely accurate either.
1. The Canadian dude was 70 with a heart condition and ate 90 mg of THC. About 10 times the “normal” dose for edibles. Something like alcohol poisoning from binge drinking. There is no evidence that people using THC are more likely to commit suicide than those who are not.
2. My gastroenterologist has assured me that THC will not affect my liver and I did confirm that with research (will post link upon request, if I can find it again.)
3. Even if I concede your statement that THC is addictive, only a small percentage of people would fit into that category.
4. Your statement “The entire cannabis plant is a known allergen” is misleading. Cannabis is a known allergen for SOME PEOPLE, not all; just as pollen, dust and peanuts are to some.
4. Cannabis use during pregnancy has been linked to lower birth weight and brain development. I have seen nothing linking it to missing limbs or other birth defects. Surely, ingesting any foreign substances during pregnancy (along with some foods) should be avoided, but we don’t need to be Chicken Little about it.
Let’s get the information out, but let’s get the RIGHT information out.
Wrong again. Addiction is not rare. From the National Institute on Drug Abuse:
Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30 percent of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.18 People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults.19
Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.20,21 Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.22,23
You can’t even read! THC is rampaging through your brain like the Blitzkrieg!
“Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases.”
That’s right, Cheech. “takes the form of addiction in severe cases”.
November 19, 2019 at 10:57 pm
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That’s ONE article, Mike. Here is a study from the CDC that indicates it is much lower than 30% and much more like 10%. Even the article you quote says addiction takes form in SEVERE cases. It looks like you might be the one that can’t read.
Sounds great. Except that people can’t be responsible for outcomes if they don’t know the truth. If a big corporation hid the dangers in it’s products, would you say “personal responsibility” absolved the corporation for any damages done to people? Of course not. Look at all the Deniers on this thread about the dangers of THC. THAT is the problem.
I read all the comments Craig and you never made a comment relevant to our discussion above.
Do you still think “prevention and informing the public about potential harms is NOT happening” or would you now agree with me that even a program like DARE, although not doing a great job, do currently exist so prevention & informing IS actually happening?
While we’re on the subject of you not responding to prior conversations, you never answered me from a previous thread: did you sign any agreement when you were hired at your job, and do you think it’s okay to do whatever you want in violation of that agreement?
Please remember….let’s see how long we can stay on-topic and not devolve the debate into insults and attacks and the like…
I re-read all the comments Craig and you STILL never made a comment relevant to our discussion above.
Do you still think “prevention and informing the public about potential harms is NOT happening” or would you now agree with me that even a program like DARE, although not doing a great job, do[es] currently exist so prevention & informing IS actually happening?
Citing you, swapping your name for mine:
“1. Craig asked for a civil answer. I gave it to him.
2. I asked Craig for a civil answer. He ignored it.”
You got on me for “ignoring” your question (which I’ve now answered twice) and now you’re doing the same thing you called me out for.
Don’t be a hypocrite.
Answer the question.
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PS: the 2nd time I answered, I posted it in the part of the comments where you asked me, so your “you like to “stay on topic”, but only with other people.” deflection makes zero sense.
November 19, 2019 at 4:27 pm
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And you never answered my question: are you still in favor of legal pot for fun or not?
Gee, I can play games just like you!
November 19, 2019 at 4:29 pm
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Hey Craig, you never answered my question, what’s up with that? Since you keep calling out others, why don’t you answer for your misinformation? Just today you’ve been pointed out as lying twice, and you’ve been silent on both. Why is that? Your claim that marijuana is a hallucinogen is false, just as your claim that marijuana lowers IQ. I posted data to back up the facts. You have provided zero. Why are you afraid to actually respond, yet you call out others to respond? Seems hypocritical to me.
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If we’re playing the “you never answered my question” game, here’s one I’ve been asking you for weeks that you’ve ignored even though I’ve subsequently answered a bunch of your questions since then….
Did you sign any type of agreement when you were hired at your job, and do you think you should be able to do whatever you want in violation of that agreement without any sort of penalty?
Answer this question from weeks ago and I’ll answer the question you just asked me today.
November 13, 2019 at 7:15 pm
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The reason there’s a “rise” is because people are more inclined to admit use since legalization. There’s no legal ramifications to answering yes.
This is just spin, don’t forget to think for yourself.
My favorite weed is probably the dandelion. I’ve seen the psychosis it causes with bees though, so I don’t partake when the bong is passed my way. People think bees are disappearing because of pesticides and possibly cell towers. No. That’s what “the man” wants you to believe. It’s 100% because of weed, especially the Dandelion. Watch them….. They get all high on that stuff, then buzz around acting all strange. I have no doubt it causes unnecessary stings and other bad stuff. Ever notice how they land on this particular weed, then go back to the “hive”?? Yeah, it’s because they are trying to recreate the product for the black market. Weeds kill!
““Our findings suggest that as more states move toward legalizing marijuana for recreational use, we also need to think about investing in substance use prevention and treatment to prevent unintended harms—particularly among adolescents,” added Cerdá.”
I absolutely echo this, because we are certainly moving toward legalizing MJ for rec use federally within a decade or less. So, let’s get these programs going immediately so they are in place once MJ is legal in all 50.
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No kidding. The researchers spin their own research. PC America.
Yes, Perplexed, it is. Because of its solubility, there are no signs of physical addiction or dependence, no physical withdrawal symptoms. There are those who have addictive personalities, and so a psychological dependence is what they point to. Though, anymore, clinicians don’t really draw a difference between the 2, because the result for an individual may be the same which is, some type of dependence on a substance.
Captain your last sentence seems to “undo” your first 2 sentences. In the end those who think it should be legal will not acknowledge that it’s as addictive as alcohol and causes damage to young people quickly. Teens that used a lot are clearly addicted and find it very hard to stop using. That’s no different than being addicted to the highs, numbing, whatever people get from over imbibing in alcohol, drugs, etc. My 20 year old grandson will also tell you it permanently dulls the brain and sadly, he would be an expert. He’s never used cocaine or heroin, he did all that damage with marijuana and he’s not the only one in his old crowd.
No, it is an “and” and not a “but”. It is hard to acknowledge it is addictive because some are still hung on the physical vs psychological. I noted the reasons above. And, I do agree, it doesn’t really matter because it is addictive to some people. Anyone who partakes in substances should proceed with caution, use responsibly, and understand the ramifications of abusing the substance.
I, too, know many who smoked multiple times a day, every day, all 4 years in college and then some. A few have kept with it and use it responsibly as well as moderately. They are highly successful people and leaders in their communities. The rest of them just grew out of it as they started families. They didn’t even miss it. More or less just decided they’d didn’t want illegal substances in their homes so opted for glasses of wine instead. No permanent dulling of the brain. Is your grandson certain the illegal product he was purchasing wasn’t laced with other substances? The black market likes to lace weed with PCP, for example.
“There are those who have addictive personalities, and so a psychological dependence is what they point to”
Incorrect, you do not have to have the addictive personality for this psychological dependence, also, this is the stronger addiction to have.
You keep acting as if this is a lesser form of addiction. Marijuana, is highly, addictive. Repeat after me.
Cite your evidence for this contradiction, because just stating someone is “incorrect” with zero data to back you up does nothing to the conversation except pointlessly troll someone’s well thought out point. You are wrong, BTW.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alcohol is addictive, cigarettes are addictive, chocolate is addictive, running is addictive, sex is addictive, gambling is addictive, caffeine is… You get the picture. Experts generally agree that addiction is a brain disorder and not a personality trait. So, if it wasn’t pot, a person might very well be addicted to something else. Let’s face it, pot is natural, been around for “thousands of years” (yes, Craig, I said thousands. Over 5,000 years to be precise) and you could certainly be addicted to worse things. Get off the Reefer Madness train and calm down. Smoke a joint. You’ll feel better.
I am sick of your misinformation, Craig. You didn’t educate me on anything, especially when it comes to MJ. And,here you are peddling your misinformation yet again.
Okay Pot Pusher. Learn nothing, pretend you know it all.
THC is PHYSICALLY addictive and I linked to the reputable science that backs it up. People can be addictive to the point they feel bad physically if they don’t have THC.
Everything I have stated about THC is proving to be true. Use and addiction rates are UP for young people, something many IJ posters (you?) denied. And still deny.
Is THC physically addictive? I will link to the science again after you answer.
For you, “reputable science” seems to mean science you agree with. I felt bad when I have had a bad hair day. Am I physically addicted to hair or can I go without it once I lose it all? Am I going to have hair withdrawal? Face it, no one is getting the DTs from lack of MJ. It’s solubility doesn’t allow for it, unlike that of alcohol which is water soluble.
So I am a pot pusher, huh? You know very little about me if that’s what you are suggesting. It seems to me you are just a freedom denier to the majority of American adults who want this substance legalized.
You didn’t answer the question. Hmmmmm.
Guess where the following came from:
Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30 percent of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.18 People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults.19
Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.20,21 Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.22,23
I read the same thing before, figuring it would be a matter of time before you tried to spring this. But, like you and climate science, it’s a hoax. Same symptoms as PMS. Same symptoms as when I don’t get enough sleep, work out too late at night, or have a bad day at work. Hardly settled science here, Craig. Too many uncertains in the studies, so let’s break it down even further:
“…which takes the form of addiction in severe cases.” (not every case like other physically addictive substances?)
“Recent data suggest” (hmm, interesting word – why didn’t they choose ‘prove’ or ‘evidence’?)
“often associated” (again interesting word choice here, ‘often’. If it’s so dang physically addictive, it would always happen – you know, like all other physically addictive substances – unavoidable because the body actually DEPENDS on it)
“often report” – same as above
Lasts 1-2 weeks. Even if it was true, hardly a lifetime of dependence such as alcohol.
“Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug…”
Thanks for making my point – adults should be allowed to choose to use this responsibly and moderately and have very low expectations of becoming addicted.
I did a little study of my own this morning. I have 3 daughters, so I asked them what happens when they don’t get enough sleep. I asked:
1. Do you get irritable and more inclined to be in a bad mood? All 3 answered yes.
2. Does it throw off your sleep schedule and cause sleep difficulties for perhaps the next few nights? All 3 answered yes.
3. Does it affect your appetite, make you crave foods like sugary foods you may not have craved otherwise? All 3 answered yes.
4. Does it cause restlessness or a sense of being uneasy? All 3 answered yes.
5. Are your muscles sometime sore or do you experience body pains? All 3 answered yes.
6. (I added this one) Is it difficult to phrase simple sentences and answer questions you might if you had a good night’s rest? All 3 answered yes.
Seems to me, these MJ users are just tired. Their bodies don’t depend on the drug, they aren’t vomiting and getting the sweats, their bodies just need some rest. Their psychological state may depend on the drug. I have never argued against that. I would agree those users who answer this way have allowed their minds to trick their bodies into thinking they need the MJ. But, they don’t.
Interesting…I attempted to do a study with my 12 year-old daughter this morning. It went more like this:
me: Good morning….Hey, can I ask you a…
my daughter: DADDY! LEAVE ME ALONE! YOU KNOW NOT TO TALK TO ME IN THE MORNING! I HATE SCHOOL! WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS ON MY CASE??? DON’T TALK TO ME ANYMORE!
Captain Planet: “low expectations of becoming addicted”. Uh, did you read the article? 30% of users show dependence. Did you read the numbers on addiction?
And your dumb comment on “2 weeks” of physical withdrawal applies to alcohol too, smart guy. That’s how long it takes most addicts of any sort to shed the physical illness.
Talk to rehabilitation experts: most will tell you relapse rates for alcoholics who quit are lower than relapse rates for THC addicts. (But Captain Planet said booze is worse and CP is an expert and CP wants more people to smoke more pot. “Responsibly” is the hilarious get-out-of-jail card.)
Thurgood:
I’m here today because I’m addicted..to marijuana.
Rehab patient:
You in here ‘cuz of marijuana?! Man, this is some *$%!$%!
Bob Saget/Cocaine addict:
Marijuana is not a drug. I used to ****** for coke.
Rehab patient:
I seen him [do it]!
Bob Saget/Cocaine addict:
Now that’s an addiction, man. You ever ***** for marijuana?
Thurgood:
No, I can’t say I have.
Bob Saget/Cocaine addict:
I didn’t think so.
Rehab patient:
Boo this man!
I have waned to reference that conversation so many times with Craig, but I know he’s too much of a fuddy duddy to have ever seen that movie. So good.
Totally with you confused!
Hey Craig,
Do you know anyone turning tricks for some MJ? That’s the sign of physical dependence. Ever seen “Requiem for A Dream”? Those are the signs of physical dependence. Ever watch an alcoholic drink? Those are the signs of physical dependence. Most people who smoke take a few hits and are done with it. Set it down, walk away, and go about their way. The pipe isn’t calling them back. You peddle so much misinformation out here, it’s hardly worth talking to you about it any longer. Your big THC Scary Monster! Just like Loch Ness – doesn’t exist!
Craig wrote, ” Uh, did you read the article? 30% of users show dependence. Did you read the numbers on addiction?”
Let’s play the Craig science card – fake news, hoax, studies are too new because MJ use goes back thousands of years.
Also, be careful what you are saying about the word ADDICTION. The article you are sourcing clearly states, “…some degree of MJ use disorder.” Not the same as addiction, is it Craig? Let alone, physical dependency.
Checkmate.
Truth must be getting to you, CP. Your comments are getting nastier and nastier and further from truthful.
For people who know something about pot, “dependence” is often used by researchers in lieu of “addiction”.
And no, nobody turns tricks for vodka, so I guess there is no such thing as an alcoholic either, right Smart Guy?
Truly. Tell your kids all the nonsense you spew on IJ. Let’s see what happens. Probably the same thing as in this article: higher likelihood of dependence (but don’t worry, that’s not addiction so who gives a crap).
Nah, not getting to me at all. I just like feeding you your own medicine. You don’t like how it tastes, after all.
I tried agreeing with you on SOME of the things, but then you started suggesting I agreed with the misinformation you peddle, putting words in my mouth, which isn’t cool. I do believe there are far more harmful substances for adults to choose than MJ, though. And, the history of ingesting the plant supports that. Hard to believe this is the hill you are choosing to die on. But, to each their own. Like I have said before, your passion no matter how off base it is, is admirable.
As far as your alcohol comment and turning tricks – yes, some do actually. Ever heard of lot lizards preying on truck drivers? Turn a trick or 3, purchase a couple bottles, stay warm for the night. Rinse and repeat. They get busted at the nearby truck stops here all the time. The sgt across the street has tons of stories about busting them. What was that comment about Smart Guy?
Oh, wait! CP says NO ONE ever turns tricks for marijuana. He did a study. Went to all the high schools and colleges in the country.
Even though alcohol is MORE available than pot. It is cheap and at every liquor store on every corner in every city in America.
You make a fool out of yourself now with every added comment. Keep it up. I’m laughing. You are turning into Jon.
Reading comprehension 101:
I wrote, “Do you know anyone turning tricks for some MJ?” (Honest question as you claim to go to all these rehab centers and talk to hundreds of doctors…)
Craig wrote, “CP says NO ONE ever turns tricks for marijuana. He did a study. Went to all the high schools and colleges in the country.”
Stay in school, kids!
PS – I clearly noted that I actually do know of people who turn tricks (and have been arrested) in truck stop parking lots in order to earn money so they can purchase alcohol. Thanks for trying out, Craig!
Someone paid for this to be researched. Seriously ?
I did extensive pot research in college. All they had to do was ask the pot heads that don’t smoke it any longer.
You suckers keep smoking it and legalizing it, see what you get.
I’ll keep my AR15’S for this reason alone!
Do you own a Doritos dispensary or something? Hand out free pizza? Besides, who is taking your AR15 away? I thought Obama was supposed to do that years ago and he didn’t.
Cap planet- No I don’t, I write a lot of auto insurance. I see the stupidity of legalizing pot benefiting several major players. I just name a few here. 1. Lawyers that handle wrecks. 2. Insurance companies that get to raise premiums because of the wrecks. 3. Insurance agents that get to write the higher premiums for higher commissions, but then get to hear the bitching from people like you that are too stupid to see the forest for the trees. There are others, but no need to go on.
Democrats don’t have the backbone or intelligence to take my AR15’s so I’ll be keeping them.
So you are keeping your AR15s for the lawyers that handle recs, the insurance companies raising premiums, or the agents who get higher premiums? Which one is “this reason alone”? Are they coming to take your guns? Are you going to shoot at them? Are they shooting at you?
Jack, are you getting ready to shoot a bunch of stoners? Seems like poor sportsmanship to me. Sort of like shooting fish in a barrel. All they want is some good tunes and a bundt cake.
Let’s see how long we can stay on-topic and not devolve the debate into insults, attacks, off-topic rants and the like…
Martins stated, “legalization efforts should coincide with prevention and treatment. The general public should be informed about both benefits and potential harms of marijuana products to make informed decisions,””
Can we all agree with this statement, and can we all agree with it without getting political, attacking others, or responding to arguments that have not been posted in this thread?
Who wouldn’t agree with that? Seriously. It is the one thing I have stated over and over. If everyone knew the dangers, I would be in favor of legalization. But they don’t, obviously, as I have stated over and over.
The point is that prevention and informing the public about potential harms is NOT happening, and kids and adults are getting hurt as a result.
Can we all agree on that?
I thank you for your on-topic reply which did not include insults, personal attacks, or other argument fallacies. I appreciate your successful attempt to keep this part of the thread relevant to the article and mature in nature. Thank you for playing.
And you refused to answer my question. Thank you for not playing.
You do that on a daily basis, yet you have the audacity to continuously call others out even though frequently they answer your question (just not to your liking). Seriously Craig, cut it out and debate like an adult. Again take the advice from Smooth.
1. Rosenblatt asked for a civil answer. I gave it to him.
2. I asked Rosenblatt for a civil answer. He ignored it.
3. helpingout attacks me.
Ho hum. Another day, more nonsense. P.S. The article was about addiction rates going up in States that legalized pot. Now, who would have guessed that was the truth?
Craig – if you read my response to SAK below, you’d see I already answered your question. Do i really need to post the same thing multiple times?
Hey Rosenblatt: I am not SAK. FYI. (Next time I will answer helpingout when you ask a question. Or maybe someone else. In the interest of civility.)
And no, you didn’t answer the question: I asked if you agree. You didn’t say yes or no.
Sigh. I know you’re not him, but I also know you read this entire comment section. It’s clear my answer is – no, I do not agree “prevention and informing the public about potential harms is NOT happening” evidenced by D.A.R.E and the ad’s I’ve seen in my legal recreational state.
PS – You’re getting a little attitude-y right now. Calm down or stop posting replies to me here.
I also would disagreed I attacked you. You haven’t been debating really on this site anymore. You attack a lot, post a lot of false information (some of it is relatively okay), and you shift goal posts. If you stopped doing this, and following up endlessly without answering questions, maybe people will take you more seriously.
The difference is, your idea of “Potential harms” include things that aren’t actually potential harms. You KEEP insisting that marijuana causes psychosis and schizophrenia, that it’s addictive and this horrible drug. There are issues, but not the blatantly false issues that you keep spouting and being proven wrong about on here over and over.
Craig,
I do disagree, there are programs in place for prevention and treatment in a lot of areas, however, I do feel a lot of them are ineffective because they are the same old same old and both kids and adults get bored hearing the same message over and over and really don’t pay attention. The powers that be that put these things together need to start becoming more imaginative and think outside the box and really engage kids and adults to get them talking and actually listening to the message being presented.
I do agree that we need to educate everyone regarding positive and negative/good and bad with regards to this issue so adults can make informed decisions and kids and parents can have ongoing discussions with one another.
Was it really necessary to get snarky with Rosenblatt? (S)He (sorry not sure on gender) was being polite and appreciative in your response to the comment. Also agreement on on needing better education for eveyrone was discussed, maybe not directly to your comment but an answer/position was stated.
Rosenblatt, I do agree that we do need to have prevention and treatment programs put into place and that the public does need to be educated on all aspects of use. I also do agree with Craig in the respect that in states with legalization now these things should be done and if they are not working then changed so they are more successful. In states where it is not yet legal we should see these programs being put into place because well it just makes sense. I do agree with Captain that we will eventually see all 50 states legalize as well as federal legalization. It would see that the powers that be should get their acts together NOW and put these programs into place so they are heard and have an effect.
I agree with you 100% SAK. At first I wasn’t sure if you were implying from your comments of “put these programs into place” and “these things should be done” that you were saying no such education programs exist, but you did add the qualifier of “if they are not working then changed” which I agree with in full.
As someone who was forced to attend D.A.R.E. courses and lives in a state where recreational marijuana is legal and who sees signs and warnings posted about SOME of its dangers, I definitely fall into the camp of “significantly better education is necessary” as opposed to needing to “put the programs in place” in the first place.
And I thank you for keeping with the intent of this part of the comment section I started. If only this type of back and forth could be the norm rather than the exception around here. Oh well … dreamers can dream :D
I did the DARE program as well and remember not really paying much attention as it seemed boring and just another stupid lecture (in my middle school mind). When my son was in middle school and high school and listening to the lectures he was the same way……just another stupid lecture from adults telling me NOT to do something. I am not expert but it would seem that the message is not being delivered effectively because it is being done in an outdated manner…….
And I completely agree, I wish there could be more back and forth of opinions in a civil manner that doesn’t get all gunked up by politics and name calling. I will say I have noticed your efforts to be more on topic and I for one have appreciated it.
The DARE program was actually really harmful to the younger generations. There have been studies how it actually increased psychedelic drug use compared to those who were not exposed to the program.
https://www.livescience.com/33795-effective.html
I can believe that! I have always been a firm believer that when you tell a child/young adult No because I say so, it never is taken seriously. Honestly I really feel like we do not give teens the credit for their ability to respond to being talked to in a more adult manner. Tell them all the positive and negatives AND the reasons why it is harmful to them when they are not fully developed and grown. I think kids would listen and maybe even take to heart what they are being told. But again I am no expert!
I am with you! I was apart of the DARE program, but I learned a lot more from my parents talking to me about these things rather than that program.
I also think people need to stop spreading false information. There have been a lot of bad campaigns over the years, and if people continue to push false narratives, they could be telling their kids bad information that could contribute to future issues they could face with drugs.
Wishing you the best!
Completely agree with you two – current education is insufficient and most definitely needs to be bolstered. (And in case you’re confused Craig – this is not the post I referenced when I said I already answered you. I was talking about my prior response to SAK)
Look for my response to this post in a response to someone else . . .
More and more use on the job site as well, how will that be dealt with in the future? Is it legal with a 215 card (Cali medical use)? We are seeing problems since legalization, one big one that was posed by the industry reps last night, how can we (the city) work to lower their costs (taxes and fees) since the black market has actually increased and is taking sales away from the legit dispensaries. We knew it would happen this way, but our city council knew better and after spending 875K on a Lincoln Lawyer to set things up we are now stuck with an ordinance that is not working.
We are aware that some sort of reliable system for detecting marijuana, as with alcohol and breathalyzers, is being developed. That will hopefully help with the job site problems. Right now in CA it’s medical and recreationally legal. The issues with the black market aren’t super apparent in California. Most marijuana users have gone the legal route for ease of business and high quality. The problem is that because regulations are so difficult in California, a lot of growers are selling to other states. Once legalization is everywhere and the regulations have been relaxed on distribution, we’re going to see the black market go away just as we did with prohibition. Unfortunately, if you grow a large amount in CA but can only get half of it regulated for sale in CA, it’s easier to sell the other half illegally in another state. That goes away with federally legal marijuana.
No kidding? Now fancy that!
There is absolutely no doubt now that the majority of Americans want to completely legalize marijuana nationwide. Our numbers grow on a daily basis.
The prohibitionist view on marijuana is the viewpoint of a minority and rapidly shrinking percentage of Americans. It is based upon decades of lies and propaganda.
Each and every tired old lie they have propagated has been thoroughly proven false by both science and society.
Their tired old rhetoric no longer holds any validity. The vast majority of Americans have seen through the sham of marijuana prohibition in this day and age. The number of prohibitionists left shrinks on a daily basis.
With their credibility shattered, and their not so hidden agendas visible to a much wiser public, what’s left for a marijuana prohibitionist to do?
Maybe, just come to terms with the fact that Marijuana Legalization Nationwide is an inevitable reality that’s approaching much sooner than prohibitionists think, and there is nothing they can do to stop it!
Legalize Nationwide!…and Support All Marijuana Legalization Efforts!
Regarding “The Children”,
Let’s not use “The Children” as an excuse to prohibit and criminalize adult use of a natural plant far less dangerous than perfectly legal alcohol because nobody condones child use, and this is about allowing adults only to choose marijuana.
It’s our responsibility as parents by to educate our children on drug use. It’s not the government’s job to force Draconian Marijuana Laws upon every adult citizen under the guise of protecting “The Children”.
What message are we sending our children when it is easier for them to obtain marijuana now with it being illegal than it is for them to buy alcohol?
It doesn’t take the intellect of a genius to understand that stores card kids for I.D. Thugs and gang members do not. They also push the real hard drugs on children. Stores do not.
Marijuana legalization will make it harder for children to obtain it.
What message does it send our children when serveral the Presidents of The United States themselves alongside a long list of successful people openly admit regular pot use at one time or another in their lives?
While we tell our kids how it will ruin their futures, and then ensure so, by allowing our government to to jail our children and give them permanent criminal records when they get caught with a little Marijuana. Especially, if they are the wrong skin color or from the “wrong neighborhood”. Which in turn, ruins their chances of employment for life.
The Prohibition of Marijuana is the wrong message to send our children while we glorify, advertise and promote the much more dangerous use of alcohol like it’s an all American pastime.
The worst thing about marijuana and our children is what happens to them when they get caught up in the criminal justice system due to it’s prohibition.
Protect “The Children” and Our Neighborhoods Through The Legalization and Regulation of Marijuana Nationwide!
Dude. Have some pride. “Marijuana legalization will make it harder for children to obtain it.”
Did you read the article?!?!!?
Children are obtaining it anyway, because there are people on the street not regulated who sell it to them. It’s harder for children to get alcohol, since there aren’t just dudes on the corner selling whiskey. If you eliminate the prohibition, common sense dictates it will become harder to purchase as the only ways to purchase will be legal avenues. Use your head for once you GD hypocritical jackass. You up above chided Rosen for not answering your question, why don’t you ever answer mine? Coward.
Dumb comment of the day: “prohibition” WAS eliminated in states that legalized and that was the focus of the study where dependence by children rates went UP.
Geez, lay off the THC. It’s getting worse.
Dumb comment of the day: Anything from Craig since he denies that he’s proven wrong over and over and over.
Hey Craig,
Have some pride, read the articles we link for you showing most of your points regarding cannabis is not correct. Stop your fear-mongering campaign.
Thanks!
Let’s implement laws similar (if not almost exactly the same) to alcohol to help curb the youth from getting their hands on cannabis.
Are you against this, and if so, why?
As if you were to be taken seriously, here goes again:
Please link to the science that says THC is not addictive, does not cause loss of IQ, does not cause psychosis, does not cause brain damage and emotional problems for children in the womb, can not lead to permanent mental illness, does not cause deaths in car accidents, is not connected to higher rates of suicide, and doesn’t lead to loss of verbal acuity and memory loss.
I asked before, and got no answer. Link away.
Real credible science, dude. Check out this paragraph from your link: (Yes equals one puff! HA HA HA HA!)
But others say the new study has flaws—most importantly, a lack of detail about how often and in what quantity the teens used marijuana. The Minnesota and Los Angeles groups used different surveys about drug use. The Los Angeles group’s questions were far less thorough, Patton says. In surveys administered to that group, for example, participants were asked, “Have you ever tried marijuana?” If a 13-year-old respondent answered “yes” after taking just one puff, they could be considered a drug user for every subsequent measurement.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/10/health/marijuana-weed-verbal-memory/index.html
A just-published study in The Lancet involving, among others, researchers at King’s College London, compared 900 people who had been treated for psychosis with 1,200 people who had not. Sample participants were drawn from across Europe and Brazil.
Both groups were surveyed on a host of factors, including their use of marijuana and other drugs. The study’s authors concluded that “people who smoked marijuana on a daily basis were three times more likely to be diagnosed with psychosis compared with people who never used the drug. For those who used high-potency marijuana daily, the risk jumped to nearly five times.”
By “high-potency” the researchers meant marijuana with a THC content of more than ten percent. To put that figure in context, a study of the weed seized by the DEA between 1995 and 2014 found the THC content went from about 4 percent in 1995 to 12 percent in 2014.
Today, it’s not uncommon to read of marijuana that’s legally-sold in places like Colorado with THC content above 20 percent, occasionally 30 percent! Legalization advocates minimize the exponential growth in potency by saying that twenty or more years ago, Americans didn’t have access to “the good stuff.”
Post the Lancet link. You have posted some before that went nowhere, so the burden of proof is on you to prove that. I also don’t understand why you quote things without actually linking your source, you did that last time and the link went no where.
Overall I think the study does have some merit that needs to be examined more. It does not say anything about lowering IQ in the studies the CNN article is referencing (haven’t you also said CNN is fake new before? Why is this one not? Because it confirms your belief and you can interpret it way past what the studies say?). It does lower verbal memory, but they were not able to attribute it to THC, as they admit in the study they were not able to restrict the over the 5,000 people in the study from other illicit drugs (it admits in the study that participants used illicit drugs and that it could throw off the results)
Now your IQ claim and how it lowers it. The study does not actually say those who smoke lose IQ points. Here is a quote from the link within the link:
Mason Tvert, communications director with the Marijuana Policy Project, said the study doesn’t show using marijuana causes any of these problems; it just underscores a link between individuals who use marijuana and those who experience these types of problems.
“The article expressly states that there remains no evidence that using marijuana causes depression, suicide or dropping out of school,” he said. “It simply shows that teens who are prone to developing these problems are more likely to have used marijuana.”
Overall this CNN article is like FOX, it is a fear-mongering campaign. It is also discussing the overall effects it has on adolescents, not adults. We have said multiple times, children should not use cannabis, and adults should weigh the risks, and yes every single intoxicant has a risk associated with it.
I would again you learn to read the studies behind the articles you link. By not doing this, you are leaving yourself uneducated on the topics at hand.
LOL @ Craig using CNN and misinformation to try and prove a point. Hypocrites gonna hypocrite. You got proven wrong and still deny it LOL
For the third time, helpingout, post YOUR links that deny everything I have been saying.
Nitpicking CNN?!??!!? Please. CNN may be a fraud on politics and economics, but like the NY Times, they are good on health issues.
Show you have a mind of your own and aren’t a shill for the Left: criticize Jon’s silly link. It is easy to do when the responses of kids to questions from strange adults are the measure, when answers to questions about ever using pot makes you a “drug user” in the survey.
Show you are an honest, intelligent person. Walk the walk. Where are YOUR links?
Why do I need links when the things you post are refuting what you are saying?
Additionally, I have posted numerous links this year, and so have many others on here including but not limited to: Smooth, Captain, rosenblatt, Jon, and myself.
I understand your frustration with Jon, he uses the same tactics as you do on this site. I have said numerous times I don’t agree with either of your ways to debate, but I understand Jon’s feelings and motivations because you don’t support your own points, yet you still back try to back them up.
I can post links after you do the Lancet one. I also have asked you correct that one link you used for 3 days straight that ended in PCM512A, that brought people to a page saying this page does not exist. Maybe you fix that, and I can post some more science to help with your education on the subject.
You also confirmed you have the confirmation bias. Every organization has political bias even if it is very slight, but journalists are journalists. You are more apt to listen to an opinion host who doesn’t fact check stores they put out then real journalists who are trying to research the truth. The article you posts was a fear-mongering article, because the studies behind them refuted your own points. What else ya got?
Here are the people who disagree with something called the “Marijuana Policy Project” (heh heh):
The American Medical Association
The American Psychiatry Association
The esteemed journal, Biological Psychiatry.
The National Institute on Drug Abuse.
What else Ya got?
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You didn’t answer the question. Hmmmmm.
Hey Craig, so you didn’t post the link. Hmmmmm. Hypocrite.
Additionally, your argument is so open ended it’s not actually arguing anything. People who “disagree with the marijuana policy” vaguebook much? You haven’t answered to your repeated lies, responded to Helping in any way, or answered to your IMMEDIATELY proven wrong statements. You just keep posting vague quotes (you’ve been known to make up quotes before, remember when you posted six links and a quote thatwasn’t featured in any of those links? I do) you are caught in lies and just keep lying more to try and cover it.
Craig,
The potency of MJ is always changing naturally. Some of us call it the weathering of the plant. These studies are so recent, they don’t actually show any change. Where are the potency records from thousands of years ago?
I will ask Craig to prove his assertion that those organizations are against this legitimate group. This group is used to reform laws regarding cannabis. They state that pretty openly with what they do, and not one organization you cited (again false information?) has come out against this group who uses science and statistics to argue the end of prohibition regarding cannabis.
What real evidence do you have? Or are you just going to once again do one of your goal post shifting and needless attack.
I put the what else ya got reference because you are posting links that refute what you are arguing. This indicates you aren’t reading the studies, you aren’t comprehending the studies, you are intentionally misrepresenting the studies, or a mix of the three.
Please please please Craig, go take a class on how to interpret these things as I sincerely think it will help your comprehension of what people are arguing and why we are saying you are not comprehending what you are posting.
“Where are the potency records from thousands of years ago?”
HA HA HA HA HA! Here’s my comeback: “What were the addiction rates from thousands of years ago?” Just as silly.
Potency has gone up in the last 20 years as people have learned how better to cultivate pot. Everybody knows that. DUH!
Craig,
Please meet sarcasm. Sarcasm, please meet Craig. I’m spitting your climate science arguments back at you because they seem as silly to me as it does to you when I apply such “logic” to MJ. Now that we have that out of the way…
Craig – Do you still think “prevention and informing the public about potential harms is NOT happening” or would you now agree with me that even a program like DARE, although not doing a great job, do[es] currently exist so prevention & informing IS actually happening?
Legalization WILL make it harder to get. When I was 17 or 18 Icouldn’t get alcohol to save my life. Pot, on the other hand, was easy to get. When you get a chance, visit a legal dispensary. They have off-duty police as security and your license is scanned and a background record obtained before they let you in the door. Please try some education for yourself! I feel sorry for you looking so clueless on here.
And yet this article, published by Insurance Journal, says that dependence and addiction rates were both UP for kids and adults in States that legalized pot for fun. How is that possible if access if less for kids?
So your theory is incorrect; legalization did NOT make it harder to get. The black market is bigger and now pot is available in MORE places and from more people, not less.
Do you value your identity as an honest person? Then you must admit that so far, the theory that legalization will make pot harder to get is false.
Let’s dissect the logic, and your lack of it in regards to this. There is a still a black market, and there is a black market in legal states that are selling cannabis in states where it is illegal. This causes an easy market for young kids to get there hands on this stuff.
Now if we made it easier to get cannabis and implement laws almost exactly the same as alcohol, this would curb the youth consumption rate, similar how it worked with alcohol!
Craig, the theory is not wrong, but there are issues with it in regards that when people discuss this, they are more than likely taking about it curbing the youth if it was legalized everywhere, but your simplistic approach to this theory is flawed in many ways.
I worry about what THC is doing to your brain.
The article we are commenting on said what? That dependency for kids went UP in states that legalized pot for fun. Ergo, if we legalize in the states next door, it would have zero impact on reducing under age use for states that already legalized.
Geez. Very sad.
Again I don’t partake and I never have. I would much rather have a nice bourbon or an IPA, but I am for personal liberties. What is wrong with you that you constantly need to put a label on anyone who agrees with legalization as someone who smokes cannabis. Neither Captain or I partake, but you constantly make comments about our THC consumption.
It is easy to educate yourself on these topics, you just don’t and only look for sources and words that confirm your personal bias. You have proven that time and time again.
Very sad you can’t see your own bias from your family experience. I had someone die from alcoholism, but I understand it was on them and not the substance. That is the biggest difference between us Craig.
This is nothing more than government sponsored Reefer Madness propaganda. Bogus!
At the very end of the article: “Funding for the study was provided by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.”
What they are not saying, is that these same people decreased their alcohol and over the counter medication use. Their liver, their family, and their friends are grateful they are now enjoying cannabis and not killing themselves with booze. 100 die a day from alcohol. Zero die from cannabis. Doesn’t wreck your liver. Doesn’t cause cancer. Helps some cancers, and has reduced difference forms of cancerous tumors. America will be a better place the more that people replace alcohol with cannabis. At least those that enjoy not being hungover, not destroying their liver, not saying and doing things they wake up the next day and regret, and being able to stop without suffering possible life threatening withdrawal symptoms.
Unfortunately this information from Sage is not correct.
THC / Cannabis is known to damage the brain.
There have been deaths from cannabis consumption — Canadian who consumed a THC laced candy; completed suicides of those while consuming cannabis; liver damage; known cancers are linked to cannabis consumption particularly head,neck, and throat cancers.
There are many young people who are in rehab for addiction to cannabis. Their road to recovery has been difficult.
The entire cannabis plant is a known allergen — hence we have first responders who are exposed to cannabis grows and/or processing operations who respond for either human emergencies or fires who are exposed to the allergen plant and subsequently develop rashes and hives. We have persons who are asthmatic who have gone into anaphylactic shock from exposure to others growing weed or the second hand smoke from weed.
And we also know that mothers who have and/or are consuming cannabis while pregnant increase the likelihood that their child will be born with a lower birth weight, lower IQ, missing limbs, vascular problems, and a host of other mild-significant birth defects.
Those in the insurance industry would be wise to assure that the information they are relying upon to issue policies is truthful and accurate and not the efforts of those who have a financial or personal interest in furthering access to cannabis.
and those who post on this website would be wise to assure that the information they are posting is truthful and accurate. for example, that canadian did not die from cannabis candy. stop spreading lies
Joy,
Unfortunately, your information isn’t entirely accurate either.
1. The Canadian dude was 70 with a heart condition and ate 90 mg of THC. About 10 times the “normal” dose for edibles. Something like alcohol poisoning from binge drinking. There is no evidence that people using THC are more likely to commit suicide than those who are not.
2. My gastroenterologist has assured me that THC will not affect my liver and I did confirm that with research (will post link upon request, if I can find it again.)
3. Even if I concede your statement that THC is addictive, only a small percentage of people would fit into that category.
4. Your statement “The entire cannabis plant is a known allergen” is misleading. Cannabis is a known allergen for SOME PEOPLE, not all; just as pollen, dust and peanuts are to some.
4. Cannabis use during pregnancy has been linked to lower birth weight and brain development. I have seen nothing linking it to missing limbs or other birth defects. Surely, ingesting any foreign substances during pregnancy (along with some foods) should be avoided, but we don’t need to be Chicken Little about it.
Let’s get the information out, but let’s get the RIGHT information out.
libby – you forgot to add to point 1 that the guy didn’t actually die either!
Wrong again. Addiction is not rare. From the National Institute on Drug Abuse:
Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30 percent of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.18 People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults.19
Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.20,21 Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.22,23
You can’t even read! THC is rampaging through your brain like the Blitzkrieg!
“Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases.”
That’s right, Cheech. “takes the form of addiction in severe cases”.
That’s ONE article, Mike. Here is a study from the CDC that indicates it is much lower than 30% and much more like 10%. Even the article you quote says addiction takes form in SEVERE cases. It looks like you might be the one that can’t read.
https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/faqs/marijuana-addiction.html
The most important thing is that we don’t leave it up to personal responsibility. The government should be in charge of that.
Sounds great. Except that people can’t be responsible for outcomes if they don’t know the truth. If a big corporation hid the dangers in it’s products, would you say “personal responsibility” absolved the corporation for any damages done to people? Of course not. Look at all the Deniers on this thread about the dangers of THC. THAT is the problem.
I read all the comments Craig and you never made a comment relevant to our discussion above.
Do you still think “prevention and informing the public about potential harms is NOT happening” or would you now agree with me that even a program like DARE, although not doing a great job, do currently exist so prevention & informing IS actually happening?
While we’re on the subject of you not responding to prior conversations, you never answered me from a previous thread: did you sign any agreement when you were hired at your job, and do you think it’s okay to do whatever you want in violation of that agreement?
Please remember….let’s see how long we can stay on-topic and not devolve the debate into insults and attacks and the like…
Look for my answers in responses to other people . . . because you like to “stay on topic”, but only with other people.
I re-read all the comments Craig and you STILL never made a comment relevant to our discussion above.
Do you still think “prevention and informing the public about potential harms is NOT happening” or would you now agree with me that even a program like DARE, although not doing a great job, do[es] currently exist so prevention & informing IS actually happening?
Citing you, swapping your name for mine:
“1. Craig asked for a civil answer. I gave it to him.
2. I asked Craig for a civil answer. He ignored it.”
You got on me for “ignoring” your question (which I’ve now answered twice) and now you’re doing the same thing you called me out for.
Don’t be a hypocrite.
Answer the question.
PS: the 2nd time I answered, I posted it in the part of the comments where you asked me, so your “you like to “stay on topic”, but only with other people.” deflection makes zero sense.
And you never answered my question: are you still in favor of legal pot for fun or not?
Gee, I can play games just like you!
Hey Craig, you never answered my question, what’s up with that? Since you keep calling out others, why don’t you answer for your misinformation? Just today you’ve been pointed out as lying twice, and you’ve been silent on both. Why is that? Your claim that marijuana is a hallucinogen is false, just as your claim that marijuana lowers IQ. I posted data to back up the facts. You have provided zero. Why are you afraid to actually respond, yet you call out others to respond? Seems hypocritical to me.
If we’re playing the “you never answered my question” game, here’s one I’ve been asking you for weeks that you’ve ignored even though I’ve subsequently answered a bunch of your questions since then….
Did you sign any type of agreement when you were hired at your job, and do you think you should be able to do whatever you want in violation of that agreement without any sort of penalty?
Answer this question from weeks ago and I’ll answer the question you just asked me today.
The reason there’s a “rise” is because people are more inclined to admit use since legalization. There’s no legal ramifications to answering yes.
This is just spin, don’t forget to think for yourself.
My favorite weed is probably the dandelion. I’ve seen the psychosis it causes with bees though, so I don’t partake when the bong is passed my way. People think bees are disappearing because of pesticides and possibly cell towers. No. That’s what “the man” wants you to believe. It’s 100% because of weed, especially the Dandelion. Watch them….. They get all high on that stuff, then buzz around acting all strange. I have no doubt it causes unnecessary stings and other bad stuff. Ever notice how they land on this particular weed, then go back to the “hive”?? Yeah, it’s because they are trying to recreate the product for the black market. Weeds kill!
Pollinators – same as vapers same as stoners.