How the Coronavirus Spread So Quickly Across U.S. August 24, 2020 Email This Subscribe to Newsletter Email to a friend Facebook Tweet LinkedIn Print Article Article 39 Comments August 24, 2020 at 1:31 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Hot debate. What do you think? 17 20The article makes the backwards-looking case that it was too late to do anything by mid-February and the government blew it. Hmm. . . . here is what God, I mean Fauci, said on February 29th. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/12/dr_anthony_fauci_at_this_time_there_is_no_need_to_change_your_habits_over_coronavirus.html#! August 24, 2020 at 1:35 pm Jon says: Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: 15 27Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-clear-politics/ Real clear politics is biased media. We all could have guessed that you’d try to post something contrary, because we’ve all seen the corrupt Trump administration completely drop the ball on their COVID response. You can try to push any fake narrative you want, the data says your government was incompetent and the 175,000 lives lost were preventable. Don’t think they were? Look at South Korea. Higher population density than our country, same date of first infection, less than 1,000 deaths. You can lie all you want, the facts are the facts. August 24, 2020 at 1:38 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 28 8Real Clear Politics simply showed what he said on television. That is called a “quote”. Meaning it is just the facts. Even Snopes admitted he said what he said. Why can’t you? August 24, 2020 at 2:12 pm Bill says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 26 3What’s biased about an NBC broadcast with Dr. Fauci’s words verbatim? The reason the infection spread farther here than elsewhere is largely cultural. People here simply don’t obey government mandates without question, especially when they constantly seem to vacillate 180 degrees. In addition, the wearing of masks and social distancing is commonplace in many Asian cultures. We have no idea if South Korea was also better prepared than we were and I suspect they did not send thousands of infected seniors back into nursing homes which accounts for a huge percentage of total deaths here. You are also overlooking the fact that South Korea’s population is barely over 50 million so, of course, they’re going to have fewer deaths And look at WHERE the U.S. death toll was the greatest by far. As for population density, South Korea’s is 1,366/sq. mi. while NYC’s is 26,403 and Manhattan’s is 66,940. August 24, 2020 at 2:56 pm bob says: Hot debate. What do you think? 24 15No. The left has tried to create the narrative that he dropped the ball, no matter which action he took. Speaking of, your woke movement tried to stop the Europe travel ban, and I’m sure you were on board. Due to how covid happened, plenty of people were wrong, including you. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/trump-travel-ban-on-europe-is-politically-motivated-analysts-say.html You are politically motivated, so is CNBC, and it’s more dangerous than Trump ever could be. Note the travel ban date? As soon as we knew Europe was the source. As this post says, we didn’t have testing to know earlier, though we knew China was the origin point, and Trump banned that Travel off the bat. Regarding bills, the moment Trump saw the CDC fail on testing he passed a bill. The moment he saw issues in the economy he passed stimulus. Trump did not cause these issues and has done well. Shutdowns are not the answer, and you keep mentioning Korea, who did not shut down. So the shut down was not the silver bullet. More deaths will come from the shut down than the virus itself, if opioid deaths and suicides stay inflated, and more definitely will come including hunger and expanding to the fact that first world countries can no longer help third world countries due to the shut downs, which I’ve already sourced, and will double by about 100 million to 200 some million, this is not deaths, but those living day to day in starvation, and in that many will die. We can expect the deaths to at least double as well. You’re just an authoritarian type obsessed with politics. Grow up. I had decided to vote Biden, I really did, over several issues, however, this attitude the left has will literally destroy the U.S. and all intrapolitical conversation. That is not acceptable. End your far left nonsense, stop attacking the right. The country is literally falling apart (violent riots) over this nonsense. If you don’t agree with someone, grab a beer, talk it out, accept your side could be wrong, come to a change of opinion, understand and relate to the person you talk to. It’s not that hard. August 24, 2020 at 3:20 pm bob says: Hot debate. What do you think? 18 15https://reliefweb.int/report/world/12000-people-day-could-die-covid-19-linked-hunger-end-year-potentially-more-disease Here we go, 12,000 per day may die by the end of the year. Let’s just shut down bars and restaurants and what not and destroy the economy which allows people to live and be healthy. When the soviet union collapsed, the average life expectancy went down from 65 to 57 in the ensuing chaos over the years, from 1987 to 1994. This recession will be worse if this drags on. You leftists are as I said before, willing to shoot yourself in the foot, as long as you can say the right is evil, and contradict them. If they say open up you scream about how that will kill people and the right are heartless. Let me say this clearly for all you here: People on the right are not heartless. That nonsense has to stop. Knock this nonsense off. August 24, 2020 at 3:36 pm bob says: Hot debate. What do you think? 14 9We live in a great part of the world, developed, and have all sorts of privileges. Not everyone can work from home, which is what I believe is causing the divide. Actually, side note, I believe this has caused the divide for some time. While college education is trending up, not everyone can work those jobs. Red folks aren’t in those groups. It is basically modern day grouping and racism playing out. It used to be black vs white in the earlier days of the U.S. now it is red vs blue, and the tensions there are every bit as bad which concerns me. People are forgetting what they have in the name of wanting to judge other people ignorantly. Being first world is a privilege, it is not a certainty. The left has begun to forget this, and many who have not have begun to look at those not in their group as the cause for any issues in their personal life. Those two are a recipe for disaster even without a pandemic, but with one, it gets worse. One side says I’m fine, I can work from home, let’s ride this out, and the other says I can’t work, help me, I work restaurants and gyms, and the other side yells in their face “wear a mask, stop serving people you’re killing people!” and the other side, knowing instinctively that their means to survival are threatened are saying more or less “PLEASE STOP!!! I HAVE TO SUPPORT MY FAMILY AND WORK ON THE FARM” while the other side, and I’ll use a quote from here, is saying “GO LICK ALL THE DOOR KNOBS AND DIE!!!” You guys here are not thinking about how this is playing out in real terms nor why this divide will cause a war at this rate and the collapse of the nation. If you keep talking your politics instead of how to help these folks, they will only fight more. August 24, 2020 at 2:02 pm Rosenblatt says: Hot debate. What do you think? 26 21Alright Craig – let’s stop looking backwards for a second and start living in the now. How come there’s STILL no national testing plan? How come there’s STILL no national contract tracing plan? How come there’s STILL no national plan on limiting bars and indoor gatherings? The issues we had are still the issues we have. That buck should stop with the man at the top. August 24, 2020 at 2:12 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Hot debate. What do you think? 19 19Please explain the horrible response of Obama/Biden to H1N1, and then tell me why this is different. No one knew then if H1N1 would kill 1,000 people or 2,000,000. And yet the response was less than the Trump Administration’s response to Covid 19. Please explain why one is okay and the other not okay? Simply because Obama/Biden got lucky? (there is a reason the Dems. never mentioned H1N1 in their convention. Guess why?) August 24, 2020 at 2:20 pm Mango says: Hot debate. What do you think? 15 12No one brought up h1n1. You should look up “Whataboutism” August 24, 2020 at 2:32 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Like or Dislike: 2 3Always. On every issue, that is the explanation. August 24, 2020 at 2:40 pm Rosenblatt says: Hot debate. What do you think? 17 12You just brought up H1N1 – I never said one was okay and the other wasn’t. So if you think Obama & Biden are responsible for the 151,700 GLOBAL deaths during the first year of H1N1 then you also think Trump & Pence are responsible for the 177,000 AND COUNTING DOMESTIC deaths from Corona over the past 1/2 year. 177.000+ domestic deaths in 1/2 a year 151,000 global deaths in 1 year Which one is worse? PS: since you didn’t answer my questions and changed the argument entirely, I take it you agree that Trump is – as of 8/24/2020 – responsible for STILL not implementing a national testing plan, a national contract tracing plan, etc. August 24, 2020 at 2:57 pm Craig Winston Cornell says: Hot debate. What do you think? 12 11I did not change the subject at all: we are talking about government performance in the face of an internationally spread disease. Which one is worse is? – AS I ALREADY SAID – was a matter of dumb luck. Nothing more. And national testing? You ignore the massive problems with such a plan, such as tracking down every American every two weeks to drag them to a testing facility. You ignore massive privacy issues. And you ignore the dropping case rates and death rates in America. A case can be made that Sweden got it right, based on their stunningly low death rates now. It may be that up to half of Americans have an immune response to Covid 19 based on past exposure to other viruses, according to research, and that we too are trending towards a form of herd immunity. And that may be the only way out anyway. August 24, 2020 at 3:40 pm Rosenblatt says: Hot debate. What do you think? 12 12Rosenblatt: I like oranges Craig: What about clementines? Rosenblatt: I like clementines too! Craig: But you’re ignoring apples, cucumbers, carrots and lettuce! August 24, 2020 at 2:18 pm Bill Wilson says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 25 3Communicable disease response is largely a localized activity. The U.S. has probably done more testing than the rest of the world combined. Try contact tracing 330 million people, especially given the proliferation of privacy laws and constitutional restrains. There are simply logistics that don’t work as well as they do in a country that is much smaller than the U.S. Occupancy rates for businesses aren’t set by the federal government. The needs of Lander, Wyoming are not even remotely the same as they are for NYC. Why should the federal government control everything at a local level? For once, can’t we have a discussion on risk management issues without politicizing it? I suspect I’m like most Americans and we’re sick and tired of the emotional finger pointing. August 24, 2020 at 3:02 pm bob says: Hot debate. What do you think? 15 11“How come there’s STILL no national testing plan?” National testing leads to the type of CDC screw ups we had, also, this is false. But moreover, it’s a loaded question. Why are we testing more than any nation? Why does the form factor of plan matter more than the level of testing? Eh? “How come there’s STILL no national contract tracing plan?” This is ineffective for one, and for two, is highly invasive. Why is there no social distancing plan for the elderly? Only some 11,000 deaths were 55 and younger about a week ago. We’ve gone up since then, but 92% of the deaths were 60 and over. In the young, 13 and under, there were 36 deaths as of June (the number they are hiding now and is hard to find). 36 deaths when we had some 3.5 million known cases. Contact tracing if we say opened schools would not help. We would know the kids have it. Isolating the vulnerable is the issue. Why are the governors not doing this now? They could. Perhaps because the image and attacks on Trump matter more. “How come there’s STILL no national plan on limiting bars and indoor gatherings?” Because this is not where vulnerabilities come, and this harms businesses so much that we would kill more in suicides and opioid use over 5 years than the virus has already if we keep at current inflation rates. There is no need to stop people young from doing things, only the vulnerable. You keep saying national, the states should handle this. The buck should NOT be at the federal level on this, you just want a scape goat. The left has no solutions, and they need to be held accountable as well for the chaos, no Trump plan would have caused chaos. No Trump plan in what you put above being changed would have stopped deaths of the vulnerable, you have not one plan for that. We hold people accountable for deltas, and so far, you have shown no delta that would have been an advantage for the left or against Trump. August 24, 2020 at 3:51 pm Rosenblatt says: Hot debate. What do you think? 10 13I stopped reading after “Why are we testing more than any nation?” because it proves you do not know what you’re talking about. Total Tests: USA ~600,000 tests a day Indonesia ~873,000 tests a day Per Capita: USA ~217 tests per 1,000 people as of today. United Arab Emirates ~656 Luxembourg ~748 Indonesia does more daily tests than the USA Luxembourg does more tests per capita than the USA. Source: http s://ourworldindata.org/ August 24, 2020 at 3:58 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 10 8A: Your numbers are not up to date B: Per capita does not matter, when talking total tests. We had to ramp that up to get there, and, at a certain point, millions of tests takes longer than thousands, for example, ergo one nation may have had to ramp up much more to get to a higher total despite being at a lower per capita. C: It depends on the time frame. The U.S. has remained close to the top. D: Current numbers. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028731/covid19-tests-select-countries-worldwide/ My bad, more than any other nation but one. E: Our testing is high regardless, so a national plan on the matter is not needed. I will repeat my question: The high amount of tests doesn’t matter, the method does? This is backwards thinking that does not get to results. August 24, 2020 at 4:10 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 7 9My numbers COULD be outdated (although it does say it’s through 8/24/2020), but your link is a little suspect. I clicked the “show source” option to see where the data actually came from, but it asked me to register for an account or buy one. Do you have an account ? If so, where does their data came from? If you don’t, how do you know their sources are reliable? I ask because the link I chose to support my argument had full transparency on where the data was obtained and how it was analyzed. Nothing was hidden behind a paywall or required you set up an account to prove what I was saying was accurate and reliable. I find it VERY hard to believe a link which requires an account or a payment just to learn where they actually got their data from. August 24, 2020 at 4:24 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 8 9You are familiar with Statista if you have googled much at all. But if we’re on this: CDC numbers which lag behind match the numbers on Statista, by the way your site matches US numbers for that as well, and you did not link the direct section dealing with tests. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html Also of note, you said tests per day, which me having so many kids and being tired, I missed that. You are claiming India is above the U.S? That is nonsense. Interesting you took that one instead of total tests, which India is half that of U.S. and if we’re talking per capita, they have more than 4 times our population. 35.29 million, with a population of 1.35 billion. 71 million with a population of 330 million. Your own site confirms the 35.29 million I am quoting now, yet you represented that as being above the U.S. Should I stop reading you now Rosenblatt? Stop reading all your data? I just had to read your data for you, and my data does indeed match yours. So you can’t say “I already knew that” you didn’t. In the name of your political allegiance, you were wrong. I grow so tired of you trying to act like you know so much and love people so much, and man that Craig, if only you stopped people like him…The world would be a better place eh? There would totally be more facts right rosenblatt? I know your type. I’m nothing like you. August 24, 2020 at 4:41 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 9 9You’re data shopping. You posted one link and couldn’t tell me where the source data came from. Your second link is ONLY US data which doesn’t bolster your argument as to which COUNTRIES do the most tests. Your fist link also ONLY included hard hit COVID places, which is irrelevant. If country A does 800,000 tests a day but only has 20 cases a day, why EXCLUDE them from a list showing which countries do the most testing just because their outbreak is under control? So we’re right back to where we started. You claim USA does more tests than any other country. I provided open-sourced data refuting your argument. You have yet to provide a link where we know where they got their data which you think proves your argument. Do you have ANY links where we can see what data sources are used to determine which country does the most testing – either daily overall or per capita for ALL countries and not just ones with large outbreaks? August 24, 2020 at 4:45 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 8 8“You are claiming India is above the U.S?” “Should I … Stop reading all your data?” You misread my post multiple times. Please read what I wrote and respond to that, or stop trying to say you know how to read the data I linked to when you can’t even read the text I wrote correctly. August 24, 2020 at 4:49 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 7 8“You’re data shopping.” Spoken by a person who just said India tests more than the U.S. when they have done considerably less testing. You took a week of testing per day, and said they do more. Well done. “You posted one link and couldn’t tell me where the source data came from. Your second link is ONLY US data which doesn’t bolster your argument as to which COUNTRIES do the most tests.” Irrelevant now that I showed YOUR OWN LINK matched up with numbers, meaning you wanted to argue the source even when your source agreed. So petty nonsense. The numbers in my link were accurate, and remain so. If you fact checked your own link, for two seconds, instead of “data shopping” you would have said oh you’re right, but you didn’t. And it is easily provable you didn’t in that you tried to fact check numbers that matched your own. Unless you’re lying, and you knew it, and you just wanted to be able to make the image argument, in which case you are unethical. “Your fist link also ONLY included hard hit COVID places, which is irrelevant.” Data shopping, all I needed to prove is U.S. testing is high. And it is second highest, my bad, your claim was that India was above U.S. it isn’t, and you still haven’t said “my bad, I was wrong” I did. Personality disorder? Arrogance? You be the judge. “If country A does 800,000 tests a day but only has 20 cases a day, why EXCLUDE them from a list showing which countries do the most testing just because their outbreak is under control?” I’m not entertaining this as it isn’t relevant to your nonsense of countries above the U.S. in total tests per day, which your point was meant to include only the countries hardest hit as well in a comparison of testing in hard hit nations. The U.S. is high in testing. We don’t need a national program just to say we have one, and, we already have national funding. It turns out, the national process with the CDC failed and slowed us down, so we funded it federally, and then the testing shot up to depending on the time, the highest in the world. So, you tell me, when the national program failed why we should go back to it? You have a lot of political points to make, and ignore data while doing it, in your own links, and you dare to come at me like that? I will always counter punch. You lost the moment you said “I’m not reading the rest because you mean nothing” and now I’m throwing that back at you. Don’t like it? DON’T ARGUE LIKE THAT. August 24, 2020 at 4:51 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 8 6“so we funded it federally” And administered it locally. This it turns out is how we do many things. Medicaid, being one example. August 24, 2020 at 5:07 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 7 8“Spoken by a person who just said India tests more than the U.S. when they have done considerably less testing. ” But … did I ACTUALLY say that? (hint: no) I JUST told you that you misread my post multiple times and asked you to re-read what I wrote and respond to that. I even cited the EXACT thing you said that was wrong to help you. Clearly you are not reading my posts correctly because you’ve made the same false statement again (and admitted you missed me saying per capita even though that part was obvious). If you’d like to respond to what I ACTUALLY said, I will continue this discussion once you acknowledge you misread what I wrote multiple times. Otherwise, I’m just going to ignore your straw man argument and wish you a good day. August 24, 2020 at 3:56 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 2 2I responded to your fact-based post above. I am not going to reply to the personal attacks you started out of the blue. August 24, 2020 at 4:00 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 2 2These personal attacks are completely relevant to the topic at hand, but nice diversion tactics. Your data above is flawed, and my point still stands, our testing depending on the time frame has been the most, or close to it. Right now it is the second most. You implied there was no national plan for testing as if we were behind. The method matters more than the total eh? Or in other words: The political talking points aspects matter more than the total. August 24, 2020 at 4:12 pm Rosenblatt says: Like or Dislike: 2 2I responded to your fact-based post above. I am not going to reply to even more of your personal attacks. August 24, 2020 at 4:54 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 1 0Commonsense, Don’t act like the left on this. I am aware there are those on the right who do mirror the far left. If you want to convince me, convince me, I’ll go over why if you want. You could have just asked me why. August 24, 2020 at 2:26 pm TC says: Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: 5 15Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.The US has a population of 328M South Korea has a population of 51M. How can you even compare out countries? Our entire government could have done more but none of us would be working and thriving as we are even with a pandemic. South Korea is a communist country and they are always locked down. They can actually shut down their borders. Each state in the US cannot shut its borders. We depend on freight to deliver goods, food & medicine. How could the US totally shut down, what an uneducated statement! August 24, 2020 at 2:33 pm An Actuary says: Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 14 3“South Korea is a communist country” ??? August 24, 2020 at 2:50 pm T says: Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: 5 15Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.They are a socialist democracy with a supreme leader in charge, sounds like old relic communism to me. It does not matter, what matters is trying to compare the US with South Korea much less any other country in the world. August 24, 2020 at 2:50 pm Common Sense says: Poorly-rated. Like or Dislike: 7 17Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.The plain and simple truth is that China unleashed Biological Warfare on this country and used 450,000 infected people to come in and spread it. They didn’t have to fire a shot. The lefties will never admit it. By the way, the last time I checked, South Korea was a free market Capitalist country. August 24, 2020 at 2:55 pm rob says: Like or Dislike: 13 5WOW…source, please (not about South Korea, but about “China unleashed biological warfare on this country and used 450,000 infected people to come in and spread it)? Did China also unleash biological warfare in Italy, the UK, Brazil, all over Africa? Post your source and I’ll check it out. Man up! It’s not a question of “righty vs lefty”, in this case it’s a question of sanity. Shame on you, Agent. August 24, 2020 at 4:06 pm Jon says: Hot debate. What do you think? 9 11You’re wrong, you’re wrong, and you’re wrong. https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/south-korea/usa?sc=XE92 Their country has a lower population, yes, but they also have a much higher population density, which to put in terms someone like you can understand means there’s less room between people living near each other. They still managed to fight off the virus. Additionally, South Koreai is a centralized democratic republic. You should do some research before you spread more ignorance, like Agent. At least Craig knows he’s lying, he’s not just this stupid. August 24, 2020 at 4:28 pm bob says: Like or Dislike: 10 4And they didn’t shut down. You leave that off each time. August 24, 2020 at 4:29 pm Bill Wilson says: Like or Dislike: 10 5The highest concentration of deaths in the U.S. have population densities FAR greater than South Korea. Google “population density of” and add your own geographic area. There are also other factors involved, including cultural ones and health reasons given the number of U.S. deaths in which other health factors were involved. If you are older and/or have compromising health conditions, limit your socializing. Otherwise, go about your life as you would otherwise. August 24, 2020 at 2:46 pm steven says: Hot debate. What do you think? 16 7the reason the US has so many cases is because our testing is so great. More tests = more positive cases. You want proof? My wife said she thought she might be pregnant. I told her not to get tested so she didn’t. She’s getting pretty big and has had a ton of weird cravings lately, but no baby! Now y’all please excuse me while I go praise QAnon supporters, pay off an adult film star for an affair I had, retweet people shouting “white power” and protest people removing Confederate monuments. August 24, 2020 at 4:38 pm John V. says: Like or Dislike: 3 4As Captain McNeil stated in a “Kojak” episode, “Hindsight is 100%” Comment have been closed for this article.