Looks like what they’re really saying is: “Why should I work when I can just get paid for doing nothing?”
Of course, they’ll have to wait to get paid if they don’t work but it sure seems like they’re just pissed that this isn’t the bonanza they thought it was.
they just wanted more money, but they have to look at this differently as fisherman. they are still working and paying bills. they could be just sitting with nothing to do. unemployment benefits? that could be a huge problem, how many actually have paid for that w/the state?
Obviously you have not a clue what is cost to run a boat..ie gas, paying a crew, not to mention the damage that this oil is doing to these boats!! Bonanza??? If you think that anyone around here wants to sit around doing nothing and collect money..then you are barking up the wrong community! Just another BP/government ploy to not take care of their MESS! Let me guess..you voted for Obama???
Does the anonymous poster not know the difference between indemnity and profiteering? I thought it was insurance savvy people who read IJ? Guess not all of them.
These claims are being paid in a fashion similar to a business interruption claim under an insurance policy. The claimants are not going to profit, but will be imdenified. If an individual would rather sit around, do nothing and grab an “entitlement” he can do so, or he can be part of the solution to the problem. Hard workers with ethics will prefer to work for the cleanup!
I can’t see how these boat owners can’t wrap their minds around mitigating their loss and seeking the net loss from fishing rather than looking at their effort as two business, one a clean up, the other fishing. As fisherman, you would think they know what a “net” is. This is going to get messy (pun intended). This morning I saw someone complaining that the fund doesn’t cover the lost earning from the President’s moratorium. Apparently, the fund is not also an “unemployment” fund. I see claims coming similar to the “six degrees of Kevin Bacon”.
i agree because then they can at least make more money than unemployment pay bills including food and shelter…and then get compensated for the balance of the missing income… better to feel like working than sitting…
I agree that we don’t understand what it cost to run and man these boat. If you look at these fishermen that are not wealthy people. This whole mess as really come at a bad time for them and they are willing to use their boats to help with this clean up.
I think they are just trying to say that the clean up isn’t paying what the fishing would be and then Uncle O want’s the short them even on that.
I don’t think they should be paid twice but I do think this should be fair the them but with Feinberg in charge it’s like one for them two for me….one for them…two for me.
That Bacrak Hussein Obama’s moritorium losses WOULD be covered out of the $20 billion…..?
He wants us to import more oil to cost us more and to give more $ away as that further weakens America. BTW tankers account for most oil spills world wide and BHO likes that too.
What is the definition of “loss” in this case? Whether these guys are earning money from fishing or cleaning up oil doesn’t matter. If they’re making an equivalent amount, they are being restored to their pre-loss condition. Are they stupid? Do they think anyone is going to pay them their lost wages & profits PLUS pay them to help in the clean-up. Some of these Vietnamese boys think they hit the motherload. Sounds like BP is at least trying to do the right thing.
Couldn’t agree more…double dipping at its finest! It’s pretty sad that some of the fisherman down there aren’t satisfied with being made whole but rather think they should profit from this mess! Pathetic actually…
A lot of businesses are on a cash basis, but they can prove their loss through receipts, income tax returns, etc. I think many cannot prove their loss because they were not reporting their income – just pocketing the cash. I agree that if the BP cleanup doesn’t pay as much as they previously earned, they should be able to collect the difference. Also, is the cleanup work any more difficult and hazardous than taking people out fishing??
The fishermen and others who lost the ability to pursue their livelihood have every right to fully recover the income they have lost so they end up in the same economic position they would have been in but for the spill. They do not have the right to receive replacement work for which they are being fairly compensated, and then on top of that, claim reimbursement for the full amount of lost profit they lost. This would place them in a BETTER economic position that they would have been in but for the spill. What they are asking for is not compensation, but a windfall. Sorry, that perk is reserved for our elected officials. If you don’t like it, then park your boat and watch as others take on the responsibility of cleaning up the mess and salvaging as much of the future fishing, shrimping, and beaches as possible. Then you can explain to your grandchildren what you did to save the way of life you claim to cherish.
Like the 5 stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance), the same 5 stages appear in the event of a claim. Clearly this is all part of the bargaining stage. It is not uncommon for policyholders to seek a way to profit from a loss once they get beyond the initial shock and anger.
well i guess B.P. screwed up. I have federal permits and that section of the gulf is closed, and from what i have been told by N.M.F.S. i may not fish the rest of the year, and what little work i recieved from B.P. will not offset what i can catch by fishing, the thing that make me mad is i was put off-hire so a lawyers hatteras could contuinue to work, not to mention the Bar owner who had 3 boats working . I wonder how much this spill hurt their fishing buisness, Oh right their not fishermen. Well i guess i wil let another lawyer make more money by suing B.P. (to be known from now on as THE GREAT B.S.
by wlee1953
Looks like what they’re really saying is: “Why should I work when I can just get paid for doing nothing?”
Of course, they’ll have to wait to get paid if they don’t work but it sure seems like they’re just pissed that this isn’t the bonanza they thought it was.
they just wanted more money, but they have to look at this differently as fisherman. they are still working and paying bills. they could be just sitting with nothing to do. unemployment benefits? that could be a huge problem, how many actually have paid for that w/the state?
Obviously you have not a clue what is cost to run a boat..ie gas, paying a crew, not to mention the damage that this oil is doing to these boats!! Bonanza??? If you think that anyone around here wants to sit around doing nothing and collect money..then you are barking up the wrong community! Just another BP/government ploy to not take care of their MESS! Let me guess..you voted for Obama???
Does the anonymous poster not know the difference between indemnity and profiteering? I thought it was insurance savvy people who read IJ? Guess not all of them.
These claims are being paid in a fashion similar to a business interruption claim under an insurance policy. The claimants are not going to profit, but will be imdenified. If an individual would rather sit around, do nothing and grab an “entitlement” he can do so, or he can be part of the solution to the problem. Hard workers with ethics will prefer to work for the cleanup!
Ummm…is that double dipping???
I can’t see how these boat owners can’t wrap their minds around mitigating their loss and seeking the net loss from fishing rather than looking at their effort as two business, one a clean up, the other fishing. As fisherman, you would think they know what a “net” is. This is going to get messy (pun intended). This morning I saw someone complaining that the fund doesn’t cover the lost earning from the President’s moratorium. Apparently, the fund is not also an “unemployment” fund. I see claims coming similar to the “six degrees of Kevin Bacon”.
i agree because then they can at least make more money than unemployment pay bills including food and shelter…and then get compensated for the balance of the missing income… better to feel like working than sitting…
I agree that we don’t understand what it cost to run and man these boat. If you look at these fishermen that are not wealthy people. This whole mess as really come at a bad time for them and they are willing to use their boats to help with this clean up.
I think they are just trying to say that the clean up isn’t paying what the fishing would be and then Uncle O want’s the short them even on that.
I don’t think they should be paid twice but I do think this should be fair the them but with Feinberg in charge it’s like one for them two for me….one for them…two for me.
That Bacrak Hussein Obama’s moritorium losses WOULD be covered out of the $20 billion…..?
He wants us to import more oil to cost us more and to give more $ away as that further weakens America. BTW tankers account for most oil spills world wide and BHO likes that too.
What is the definition of “loss” in this case? Whether these guys are earning money from fishing or cleaning up oil doesn’t matter. If they’re making an equivalent amount, they are being restored to their pre-loss condition. Are they stupid? Do they think anyone is going to pay them their lost wages & profits PLUS pay them to help in the clean-up. Some of these Vietnamese boys think they hit the motherload. Sounds like BP is at least trying to do the right thing.
Couldn’t agree more…double dipping at its finest! It’s pretty sad that some of the fisherman down there aren’t satisfied with being made whole but rather think they should profit from this mess! Pathetic actually…
I read that many of the fisherman did work on a cash basis and they can not prove the amount of their loss.
One elected official thought BP should not be strict on the proof of loss required of the claimants.
That’ll work. Remember the Katrina debit cards given out by the government?
A lot of businesses are on a cash basis, but they can prove their loss through receipts, income tax returns, etc. I think many cannot prove their loss because they were not reporting their income – just pocketing the cash. I agree that if the BP cleanup doesn’t pay as much as they previously earned, they should be able to collect the difference. Also, is the cleanup work any more difficult and hazardous than taking people out fishing??
The fishermen and others who lost the ability to pursue their livelihood have every right to fully recover the income they have lost so they end up in the same economic position they would have been in but for the spill. They do not have the right to receive replacement work for which they are being fairly compensated, and then on top of that, claim reimbursement for the full amount of lost profit they lost. This would place them in a BETTER economic position that they would have been in but for the spill. What they are asking for is not compensation, but a windfall. Sorry, that perk is reserved for our elected officials. If you don’t like it, then park your boat and watch as others take on the responsibility of cleaning up the mess and salvaging as much of the future fishing, shrimping, and beaches as possible. Then you can explain to your grandchildren what you did to save the way of life you claim to cherish.
Like the 5 stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance), the same 5 stages appear in the event of a claim. Clearly this is all part of the bargaining stage. It is not uncommon for policyholders to seek a way to profit from a loss once they get beyond the initial shock and anger.
When they say they were paid on a cash basis they mean they did not pay taxes. No tax return, no proving your income.
Sometimes it pays to pay Uncle Sam.
Gimme a break with this Obama crap again! I guess you voted for Bush…we know what a great job he did during Katrina…idiot!
Again with the racism…you’re no realist, just another hater…and not as sly as you think.
well i guess B.P. screwed up. I have federal permits and that section of the gulf is closed, and from what i have been told by N.M.F.S. i may not fish the rest of the year, and what little work i recieved from B.P. will not offset what i can catch by fishing, the thing that make me mad is i was put off-hire so a lawyers hatteras could contuinue to work, not to mention the Bar owner who had 3 boats working . I wonder how much this spill hurt their fishing buisness, Oh right their not fishermen. Well i guess i wil let another lawyer make more money by suing B.P. (to be known from now on as THE GREAT B.S.
by wlee1953