“If their states like Obamacare, they can keep it.”
That’s a nice idea but not very well thought out. What happens when one of the states that keeps it inevitably loses money like it did nationally? Do the other states have to bail them out?
I am reminded of the #1 political lie of all time.
If you like your plan, you can keep it, PERIOD!
If you like your doctor, you can keep him, PERIOD!
The average family will save $2,500 each year, PERIOD!
These lies were repeated at least 28 times across the country by the liar in chief, one Barack H. Obama.
Adding to the lie parade, Nancy Pelosi Galore said she had to pass it so we could see what was in it. Guess what, a bigger mess could not have been made. Now, Republicans have been hired to fix the mess and want it done instantly despite all the knashing of teeth of the left, crybaby sore losers.
Do yourself a favor and stop basing your arguments around, “Well, they lied first!” or “They did it so why cant we?”. It comes off as weak and uninspired. Do you base all of your life around the actions of others? I am going to tell you one more time – I VOTED TRUMP. What has happened so far is essentially the opposite of what I was hoping. Don’t defend someone who is digging their own grave. You will only fall in with them. You must know this whole “they can keep it if they want” looks terrible for conservatives (Polar mainly) who chanted repeal and replace like it was their last dying wish. For once in your life admit that this is a contradiction. It is okay to admit defeat sometimes. It is okay to be wrong.
Telling the truth about the worst legislation in history is not the same as Conserving the Lie. By the way, there are 9 plans under consideration. I don’t like this plan either.
“What has happened so far is essentially the opposite of what I was hoping…” The man isn’t even our President yet (but will be in 25.12 hours!!!) and he has already done more good for the working people in America! What are eff are you complaining about already!??
Conserving, do yourself a favor and don’t try to lecture me on how to post, how to believe on anything. That is what Progressives do and have been doing for several years now. I know right from wrong, do you?
Read my lips troll. Get a frontal lobotomy and it will help your attitude. Bob is rolling his eyes on how he thought he could make you see the light of day. WRONG!
I saved Bob the effort, by posting below about the un-Constitutionality of any state law MANDATING purchase of HI. The difference is the replacement of Justice Scalia by TrumPresident in a few months.
January 19, 2017 at 9:17 am
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Oh no. The dreaded left-right jab by two trolls who insult instead of replying on-topic. End sarcasm.
Like I care
January 23, 2017 at 1:29 pm
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Why bother? These guys are idiots. It’s not worth my time or yours.
Somehow these idiots missed what the law intends, vs how the republicans are selling democrats. I personally call this bad, but not for the same reason as these idiots.
It gives power back to the states. The republicans are reminding these people that means any state can make their own legislation for healthcare, inclusive of a plan similar to Obamacare.
This is not a lie. This is Trump not being a dictator with federal law, to which most people would say bravo, in fact, most you freaking liberal idiots should be.
However, I exaggerate saying dictator, simply because people say it a lot here just so you know, and, furthermore, why I say this is bad?
Liberal states surely will do this, and it will make the system as a whole less efficient.
Did Trump lie? NO.
Rolling back Obamacare in nearly any circumstance would have given power back to the states.
You guys on the left are such fools you don’t know how to monitor people though…
January 23, 2017 at 1:33 pm
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And because you liberals are so stupid, let me explain why this is not a compromise to keep any aspect of the ACA:
These states would have to pass their own plan.
Did it click yet, you freaking morons?
He himself would not be keeping any part of the plan. If an idiotic blue state then voted on it, it would be completely their doing, and their plan, and they would own it’s failure.
It’s like minimum wage.
This would be like Trump saying “I will not support a federal minimum wage increase nor pass one”
“However, if states want to, that’s ok”.
OOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!! BURN!!!!! HE LET MINIMUM WAGE EXIST!!!!
No wait what?
How stupid are you freaking idiots??
I’m tired of wasting my energy and time here with a bunch of bullies and idiots like Ron and Confused and ACTU and UW, ignore the morons.
I’m done. I’m out.
January 23, 2017 at 1:53 pm
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“I’m done. I’m out.”
We can only hope.
January 23, 2017 at 3:03 pm
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Look, I triggered Confused, shut up kid. I’m not reading your crap anymore.
Here’s one last one for Ron,
Mr Coburn, who went over some of the many potential cuts totaling hundreds of billions of dollars, many of which Trump said he could save hundreds of billions by implementing. Many of them were implemented and saved a lot of money, which I’m sure Obama takes credit for.
But Republicans don’t cut. Nope.
And when Trump echoes him saying he can cut considerable waste, in excess of hundreds of billions, he’s just an idiot who over exaggerates.
Your problem is how you argue, both you and confused.
You are ignorant, completely inept, and not worth my time.
Go learn your shit.
January 23, 2017 at 3:39 pm
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I said 4 words bob. I do not think triggered means what you think it means.
January 23, 2017 at 4:41 pm
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Whiny right wingers can spew insults all day long but can’t take them.
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Good riddance Bob, I guess you will never address your BS on the Chicago data, Reagan data, Cook paper, productivity data, Oh wait, ANY data. Enjoy telling lies and then joining the other 2 idiots in patting each other on the backs.
I for one am happy when fascist trash disagrees with me, and hope more get the Richard Spencer treatment. I wonder what being in the bottom of a barrel means in your previous statement? Oh yeah, dead. Your are repulsive.
January 18, 2017 at 6:05 pm
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Since when do liberals dislike tax increases?
When it comes from THEIR check…
Comrade TrumPolarBear, I see your “I did not have sex with that women,” with the Pussy grabber in Chief and raise you one Golden Shower in Moscow.
January 19, 2017 at 5:40 pm
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Celtica, don’t forget “I’d date her if she wasn’t my daughter”. Hard to beat incest.
January 19, 2017 at 7:31 pm
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Captain, is it any wonder that Ivanka is going to the White House but Melania is not? Sure, she’ll move in June — right until Trum-pee decides that junior needs to stay in NY and continue attending school there. Just wait and see.
January 22, 2017 at 12:00 pm
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Celtica, don’t forget “I’d date her if she wasn’t my daughter”. Hard to beat incest.
January 22, 2017 at 10:31 pm
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Or, “Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?” when Ivanka was only 13. He is a degenerate pervert.
January 23, 2017 at 8:04 am
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No chance now of turning back the Trump Tsunami of executive order rollbacks of bad executive orders by Obama.
But Libitterals will continue to try to divide, rather than unite, us. Sad and shameful.
January 23, 2017 at 8:53 am
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I heard one of the executive orders (funny how NOW those are acceptable) is to pull away from the TPP. I applaud that.
January 23, 2017 at 9:54 am
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We need to unite with people who have no regard for the laws, political traditions, or political norms in our country, and call presidents Kenyan, call for him to die and want his wife sent to Africa, and who call us libtards and even here libitterals, not be so decisive. Give me a break. The same moron making that claim is threatening to sue people who downvote him, despite being a person who clearly downvotes constantly. Sad!
January 19, 2017 at 8:31 am
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CTT is laughing at more FAKE NEWS.
This suggestion of states retaining ACA is impossible and legally incorrect. It had to have been written by a millenial who knows nothing about federal law. Sure, states can enact their ‘plans’. Only a handful of liberal run states could do so. But the Federal Courts could strike down their laws as UnConstitutional once a FIFTH Conservative Justice is seated by the US Senate confirmation process.
TumPolar, if you have a few minutes today as we eagerly await the new beginning tomorrow, log into today’s (1-19-17) edition of Townhall.com and read the first story authored by Kurt Schlicter titled – And Now The Left’s War On Normal Americans Truly Begins. It is absolutely brilliant in analyzing their strategy. We have seen a lot of it on our forum by the crybaby sore losers whose agenda is in ruins so they swear, insult, down vote anything Conservative. By the way, they lost and will continue to lose. There is a new Sheriff in town.
I’ll do that this upcoming week…. I was traveling over the weekend and didn’t read this until now.
Libitterals can complain about many things but cannot block the key campaign promises by Republicans. Once those campaign pledges are fulfilled by TrumPresident and Congress, their meltdown may get worse than it is now. Stay tuned!
Terrible, stupid article. Starts with a call to violence, of course. Then complains about liberals denying the legitimacy of Bush’s 2000 election in an attempt to deflect from similar complaints about Trump. But any true conservative would acknowledge that Bush was an illegitimate president, appointed by the Supreme Court even though he would have lost had Florida been allowed to count their votes. Liberals will stop calling Republican presidents illegitimate when they stop using the supreme court and committing crimes and treason to install their illegitimate presidents.
Clinton did not promise more war, but Trump did, although both are much too hawkish for my personal tastes. Trump promised both trade wars, which lead to shooting wars, wars against anybody who crossed the US, and also promised to commit war crimes and steal the natural resources of the countries we fight.
Complaints about rules and norms after Republicans destroyed both, eg, filibusters for almost all judicial appointments, refusing to vote or even hold hearings on Obama’s Supreme Court appointment, and trying to obstruct everything from day one, are stupid and show no knowledge or fundamental dishonesty.
Also, the conservatives he writes about are not normal, they are far outside the mainstream. Most people support gay marriage now, most support birth control, almost 80% support abortion, and most support legalization for marijuana. Even his culture wars are BS, for example tell most conservatives far more people do yoga than hunt, therefore you aren’t a real American unless you are into yoga and are abnormal if you hunt.
Stupid article aimed at stupid people.
The Women’s March in Washington had 3x as many people as Trump’s pathetic inauguration, nobody likes him, he’s an illegitimate, 1 term, already close to being failed president. Supporting him is not normal.
Apparently, conserving the truth doesn’t see the sarcasm in the remark by Republicans.
The death spiral of ACA will continue in whatever state is allowed to keep it… and citizens of that / those states will march on the legislative building and/ or governor’s mansion, demanding repeal, similar to other sensible states.
Yes, notice Pi$$ident-Elect didn’t say access for all, he actually said coverage. Then again, why would we believe anything he has to say? The guy is a clinical pathological liar, amongst other things like incest-curious, a woman assaulter, an alleged child rapist, and a fraud.
Conserving, if you did allegedly vote for Trump, you didn’t make a mistake. We have had 8 years of mistakes by Progressives and just look at the mess they made. The web of deceit is very tangled indeed. The media has poisoned a significant amount of the population and the entitlement bandwagon is full of freeloaders. Give the man the chance to straighten out the mess.
I am not saying I made a mistake yet but I am concerned that our elected officials do not know what to do with all the power they have now. It is like we finally have the ability to make changes but our party cannot agree on how to implement them. There has been so much talk of, “There is a plan. There is a plan. It is a great plan. It is just great” and now there is talk of about 10 plans. THAT IS NOT A GOOD SIGN. Being indecisive is only going to stall growth. More plans = more confusion. Also, the fact that the plan that is most likely going to be implemented allows for states to keep ACA if they choose is bad, really bad. Not bad for those states but bad for a President that largely based his campaign around, “WE WILL IMMEDIATELY REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMACARE”. Agent, how do we defend that?
January 18, 2017 at 4:44 pm
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Conserving, the Democrats have not been able to defend Obamacare for 6 1/2 long years, have they? How do you unring a bell? The whole plan, all 2,700 pages and thousands of pages of regulation and taxation was intended to complicate things so bad that it couldn’t be fixed easily and the population would capitulate and accept Single Payer government plans. Give Trump a chance and he may ring a new bell with a good plan.
January 18, 2017 at 4:50 pm
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Classic Agent – deciding to continue to insult others instead of directly answering an intelligent question. Keep up the trolling sir, you’re doing a great job!
January 18, 2017 at 5:51 pm
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Agent,
YOU KEEP DOING. YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF MAKING A STATEMENT WITHOUT IN SOME WAY REFRENCING DEMOCRATS/LIBERALS/SOCIALIST/ETC. I AM STARTING TO BELIEVE YOU ARE A CLOSET CARTER LOYALIST.
On a lighter note: I am not trying to defend the ACA. In fact, I don’t like it too much either!! Wow, shocker! /s. You have a real issue with logically accepting things about the Republican party. We aren’t perfect!
January 24, 2017 at 7:18 pm
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CTT is another poster who is melting down over the news of a TrumPlan about to be revealed.
The specifics of the replacement plan are being picked apart by a trio of libitterals here, abusing the intent of words used by TrumPresident to twist the intent.
The concern about lower cost is amusing because the replacement plan will include cost control efforts and changes that yield efficiencies that also lead to cost savings. ACA didn’t bother with cost control efforts, it just taxed or penalized taxpayers to cover the escalating costs. Almost all of the 23 CO-OPs failed and the remainder are in a death spiral.
January 19, 2017 at 2:09 pm
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Looks good on the job front. I saw another announcement of a large number of jobs coming.
Get people fully employed so they can afford their coverage will go a long way to resolving many issues.
No one can dispute that he is already having an positive impact on jobs. Maybe he can stop Cat from their massive reduction of American workers.
Recently, poll was taken at a Conservative College about who the best President has been in the history of the country.
Lincoln & Reagan were tied for first.
40 Presidents tied for third.
Carter was fourth.
Obama came in fifth.
January 20, 2017 at 11:12 am
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Conserving, screaming in all Caps shows a great deal of immaturity on your part. You also lie a lot like the other Progressives on this site. You couldn’t possibly be a Trump supporter with the comments you have been making. I would label you as a Snowflake buzzfeed Fake News fool. No problem, we will have a new President shortly and he will start draining that liberal swamp in DC and the country will be better off in the very near future.
January 23, 2017 at 5:31 pm
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I dispute he is having positive impact on jobs. 1 company had announced their plan 18 months ago, 1 just shifted how many of each kind of car they are going to make based on demand and one company got paid millions of dollars. Every company that is smart will claim it’s because of Trump is asked, because he is a petulant, vindictive, petty autocrat who has said he will attack individual companies and jail political opponents.
January 19, 2017 at 9:08 am
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Yes, notice Pi$$ident-Elect didn’t say access for all, he actually said coverage. Then again, why would we believe anything he has to say? The guy is a clinical pathological liar, amongst other things like incest-curious, a woman assaulter, an alleged child rapist, and a fraud.
I thought freedom of sex was a Dem thing. Now he is being labeled a perv. Hmmm. I guess what fits their agenda.
Politics these days.
January 19, 2017 at 2:38 pm
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Comrade FFA, Trump was labeled a perv long before now.
January 19, 2017 at 3:10 pm
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I stand corrected. Guess I should read the National Enquirer to get the real news.
January 19, 2017 at 7:33 pm
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Comrade FFA, Trum-pee and the National Enquirer publisher are old, connected friends — who else would run Ted Cruz’s father killed Lee Harvey Oswald if not to help Trum-pee.
January 23, 2017 at 2:26 pm
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Consensual freedom, FFA, not the many cases of sexual assault Trump has been accused of and bragged about. If you don’t know the difference you are a degenerate and a pervert.
It is disgusting so many conservatives are not willing to vote for a homosexual candidate but support a man with this past, and who has not only bragged and been accused of peeping at underage girls, and telling young girls he would date them in 10 years, but also said he was more sexually attracted to his young daughter than his wife. Disgusting
January 23, 2017 at 8:00 pm
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Little M.R. is triggered by all the people who find his new hero, Orange Julius Caesar Trump to be a pervert. Keep downvoting, it doesn’t make you right idiots. Your partners must have done a lot of work to cover for you today
January 22, 2017 at 12:01 pm
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righ wing censorship
Yes, notice Pi$$ident-Elect didn’t say access for all, he actually said coverage. Then again, why would we believe anything he has to say? The guy is a clinical pathological liar, amongst other things like incest-curious, a woman assaulter, an alleged child rapist, and a fraud.
You are just mad because he had the largest inaugural crowd ever! And because the protests were so small! (sarcasm)
A few guys here should try to get hired to be in the crowd of people he pays to follow him around and cheer. Good conservative use of tax dollars for you.
January 18, 2017 at 1:52 pm
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They are still trying to back up Obama’s claim that everyone would save $2,500 under his plan and keep their doctor.
Do one man’s negative actions/behaviors justify those of another? We cannot make excuses for our elected representatives. If they make mistakes we must hold them accountable. In many, many regards Obama’s presidency was a failure. We know this. Let’s move on. If Trump’s entire presidency is a collage of “WELL IF IT WASNT FOR OBAMA THEN THINGS WOULD BE BETTER” or “WELL OBAMA DID SO AND SO FIRST” then I promise you things will not improve for our country. There will be no “making America great again”.
Instructing people HOW to comment and WHAT to say or NOT say is clearly not your position.
This is an “OPEN”forum.
He can say anything he wants. Some might be repetitive but is setting up his next statement.
I would appreciate not being told what I can or can’t say.
You missed the biased media coverage that continues to beat the drum that 20 million people are newly covered and that Republicans will take coverage away from them if ACA is repealed.
Republicans and Conservatives MUST defend their action to repeal ACA by pointing out its many faults.
Then, a list of items considered for the replacement can be discussed as SOLUTIONS to those problems.
I’ve mentioned HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS because I know what solutions are being considered.
No Actuaries in Obamacare. The only health question was whether the applicant smoked or not. Take all comers even if they were already sick. Hope enough young and healthy would sign up to pay for the sick. No Pools for the chronically ill. Give them the same rate. Is that a recipe for success?
“The only health question was whether the applicant smoked or not.”
The words smoke, smoking, cigarette, cigar or tobacco does not appear in the application even ONCE. Keep posting lies masquerading as truth though – you’re a great troll!
I have seen the app since I am in the business and it is prominent. Gone are the health questions that were on plans prior to the disaster known as Oblamacare.
Agent; do you know of a site where the app is online?
Can you post a link to prove confused is lying?
January 19, 2017 at 10:25 am
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TrumPolar, it would seem that Google is still in use although some don’t know how to use it. Google – Obamacare Health Application and several links open up. I use Blue Cross Blue Shield in my state and if one clicks on Start Application, the only things that pop up are 1. Smoking or tobacco products use and 2. Date of Birth. If one goes further, the info is mostly asking for financial info to determine if a subsidy can be granted.
January 22, 2017 at 10:08 pm
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Thanks, I’ll try it once I get home tomorrow.
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@Confused; I have seen you lie repeatedly, to try to bluff people here into believing you have facts and data. You don’t. You lie. You are unable to defend a miserable failure President and a miserable failure law.
ACA is in a deep death spiral. Good risks are bailing out. 20 million ‘newly covered’ people is a lie. About 12 – 13 million of those people were bumped from Medicare coverage and about 7 million had policies in force which were cancelled because theiy weren’t ACA compliant.
Your side is a bunch of liars trying to defend a bill filled with errors and stupidity, trying to move the USA toward a Single Payer system, for GOVT CONTROL OF THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY. You and libitterals have been DEFEATED. So, step aside or be run over by people who want freedom of choice and a better product. Your side failed to deliver, so your leader have been ‘fired’ on 11/8/16.
Yogi, I have repeatedly said the ACA is a “super-duper” failure and I didn’t cast even 1 vote for Obama. I’m not trying to defend either. Also, if you think I’ve posted a lie or incorrect facts, reply to the post in question for further discussion
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Sorry, Confused, but you won’t get me to waste any more of my time on debunking your falsehoods and lies. I have more PRODUCTIVE, rather than DESTRUCTIVE and DIVISIVE, things to do going forward.
FFA, I know you have tried to work with this monstrocity and went to the failed Healthcare.gov site to try to write someone. Our little troll doesn’t seem to believe us on what the app has on it. He obviously is Confused.
January 19, 2017 at 2:24 pm
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People that dont work it are not qualified to comment on how the web site works.
everyone in the field with a Health License should know Healthcare.gov has the application on it. If they dont know that, they no know nothing about it.
Everyone that passed the Life / Health Exam knows that pre x coverage was availible.
January 19, 2017 at 8:36 am
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@Melanie T:
The actuaries have gone into their back room to calibrate the parameters for the various replacement proposals, to enable Congress and TrumPresident to make the best choice among the options proposed.
Wait for the doors to open and the actuaries to emerge with the solutions that will prove Obama, Gruber, Jarrett, Emmanuel, Pelosi, and Reid to be inept, liars, opaque, obfuscating, and corrupt.
The Congressional Budget Office is full of political hacks who play partisan mind games and create more problems where none existed. FAKE RESULTS. FAKE NEWS. #HACKSWHOTAX
If they can’t repair the healthcare mistakes Obama made, Republicans will create an entirely new plan which is likely the only option.
States deciding to “retain” obamacare would be a drag on the Federal govt when they are upside down due to losses.
The federal government had a bill for obamacare of $42 BILLION on top of claims paid by insurers, premiums paid by some of the insured’s, taxes paid by all of us and triple premiums paid by ME on my health plan since this joke was enacted.
Trump will use his vast negotiating skills and business experience to fix the government.
IT is about time an elected President actually HAD A JOB before taking office.
Most of us are insurance industry professional and likely possess superior knowledge of risk management and the insurance process in general. In the past few years we have witnessed very expensive lobbying efforts on the part of the health insurers to overturn the ACA. I suppose this is understandable, in view of the ACA requirement that 80% of premiums be disbursed as health claim payments. Surely these insurers have actuaries who could on short order promulgate a rate proposal demonstrating necessary premium costs with inclusion of prior condition risks. Have such projections been made? What are the numbers? How do they compare to ACA?
Boonedoggle, Insurance companies have not been lobbying to get rid of Obamacare. If so, why have I gotten a number of bulletins for 6 years from Blue Cross with the headlines – “We are all in on the ACA”. They did then promote their approved plans. After 6 years, they did find out it was a losing proposition, abandoned the exchanges and are now open to Republican plans.
This will give libitterals a clue as to the changing world order that was started in earnest by Brexit on 6/23/16, and continued by the US Electoral College in December, 2016, following the US Election on 11/8/16;
TrumPolar, Europe is in a complete mess. Populism will replace most of their leaders including the formerly popular Angela Merkel who allowed so many undocumented people from the Middle East to enter and they have had non stop trouble since.
I TELL YOU WHAT, COMRADES
The most hated Pi$$ident-Elect ever can’t even give away tickets so people can watch him swear on a book he called his favorite but yet cannot even name a line from but somehow he’s going to unite the country and fix everything. WOW, I know some people can be conned pretty easily, but c’mon! Comrade Yogi and Agent are “Gullibles Travels”.
I TELL YOU WHAT, COMRADES
The most hated Pi$$ident-Elect ever can’t even give away tickets so people can watch him swear on a book he called his favorite but yet cannot even name a line from but somehow he’s going to unite the country and fix everything. WOW, I know some people can be conned pretty easily, but c’mon! Comrade Yogi and Agent are “Gullibles Travels”.
They should just get rid of it all together. Why do people even use the voting buttons out here? I guess I just don’t feel the need to like or dislike you. I’ll just respond and remark as I wish.
TumPolar, in the last article, they were complaining about the number of posts you made. They would furiously down vote every comment you made hoping to snuff out your opinion. They would then upvote their own comment ad nauseum hoping everyone would agree with them. There are three prominent trolls that do this. Ones name starts with an A,another starts with a U, the other is female starting with a C. I don’t hold much hope the monitor will do anything about them since they have been getting away with it for several years now. I once got an email from the monitor cautioning me to refrain from calling someone a “dufus”. They said they wanted the forum to be insult free. Oops, they let the bad trolls say every insult and swear word available in the English language and the comment stayed up. Conservatives have not exactly gotten a fair shake on IJ
You have been insulting non-stop for as long as I’ve been here; your problem isn’t insults, it’s people disagreeing with you and not accepting your BS.
They should just get rid of it all together. Why do people even use the voting buttons out here? I guess I just don’t feel the need to like or dislike you. I’ll just respond and remark as I wish.
A true Trump support, whine tort reform so nobody can hold companies accountable for fraud, but threaten to sue if his fee fees are hurt and people do 1/100th what he does.
Kick rocks, Yogi, you are a joke.
Maybe he’s taking a page from The Jerky Boys, “Eff it, sue everybody.”
I wonder if the monitors could tell us who are the ones that post the insults the most / the least /who hits the thumbs (up or down) the most.
Who spends the most time here.
FFA, the guy that posted above yours pretty much leads the pack, but the others are not far behind. They are also really into the Buzzfeed Fake News to spew their hate.
There is a silver lining. By tomorrow this time, we will have a real leader in charge. Watch him go! He is action personified and will do the right thing for the country in every area.
Yea. He never used to throw out insults. But now…. Celtica too. I know they go tit for tat with you all along, but now they just go after everyone.
On to a new day. So far, Trump is having a positive impact on Jobs.
All the sexual freedom the Dems fought so hard for and got, I guess it was for everyone but Trump.
Another OBama Care mess blew up in my face today. Cant talk to anyone with out a 2+ hour hold time. Good luck getting someone I can understand. Someone that can understand me (English). Its 12:25 here. Wondering if its been repealed yet. Thats all I care about. Soon as thats done, he can resign and I will refer to him as one of the best ever.
FFA, respectfully, I think we need him for all 8 years to drain the liberal and RINO swamp of Washington DC. The first thing on the agenda is the first 200 Executive Orders, get all the appointments approved despite Chucky Shmucky Schumer’s delaying tactics. Then, he can move on with a hundred other things. Glad he has a lot of energy because it will be exhausting work and he has a great staff and appointees to help fix this country. Saw where 90 sore losers arrested so far. I thought it might be more since they pledged major disruptions. The Secret Service, FBI, Police have done a great job so far.
A full 8 followed by a full 8 from say Pence would be ideal.
January 20, 2017 at 2:48 pm
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Let’s see how the first 4 years go before we ask for more.
January 20, 2017 at 2:56 pm
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FFA, did you consider that so many Dem bureaucrats are filling their boxes to exit their buildings that no one is answering? We have a government shut down today and that is a good thing. Monday is the dawning of a new era.
The Democratic Party fights for consensual sexual freedom and freedom of choice, Republicans accept and in many cases fight for sexual assault, rape, and in the case of the president, possibly incest and pedophilia.
Patticake, the Champagne is chilling as we speak. Exciting to see the future of the country will be in good hands. We came awfully close to losing the country for good. I think God had something to do with this and said enough is enough. Time to get back on track.
Well Patticake, the long national nightmare is over and we have a new President dedicated to draining the swamp and doing the right thing for the American People. Trump gave a very classy speech, but made it clear it is going to be America First from now on. Progressives beware, it is going to be a bumpy ride for you from now on.
You don’t know what fake news is, STFU. How does it feel supporting a treasonous, tic tac poppin’, sexually abusing traitor? Don’t talk about family values, morals, or Christianity anymore, because you don’t have the first ones, and don’t follow the last. Weird that nobody went to watch the carnival today.
January 21, 2017 at 3:39 pm
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Right wing censorship. Loser Agent downvoting away on the weekend. You don’t know what fake news is, STFU. How does it feel supporting a treasonous, tic tac poppin’, sexually abusing traitor? Don’t talk about family values, morals, or Christianity anymore, because you don’t have the first ones, and don’t follow the last. Weird that nobody went to watch the carnival today.
January 22, 2017 at 12:17 pm
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I can honestly say, I didn’t catch any of the roadside attraction on Friday. I was playing golf, in Iowa, for the 12th straight month. I heard he was lucky to have 500,000-750,000 people there. And, I know they were handing out tickets. Someone said the first dance was a laugh riot. Evidently, Melania’s face looked like she was on her first trip to the gyno. And that came from a Republican. I also read he had to delete his first tweet as Prez because he said he was “honered”. Yes, he loves the poorly educated, and himself the most of all. This is going to be a fun four years. Someone should keep a running score on who provides more Presidential comedy material, this orange pudge or Dubya. Then again, Dubya had 8 years so we might need some sort of a conversion table. Time will tell.
January 22, 2017 at 10:22 pm
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TrumPresident is MAGA, and libitterals are still trying to invalidate him. They’ll only become more frustrated, day by day, for 4 year, or perhaps 8 years.
January 22, 2017 at 10:34 pm
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True Planet. Also they freaked out and said pictures from dozens of news outlets and hundreds to thousands of people were fake. They/he lied and said there were 1.5 million people there, and started lying, which they called “alternative facts”.
It is day 3, and you can officially say anybody who supports him is an idiot. Even if you like his fascist, racist policies you cannot deny he is an insane narcissist.
January 24, 2017 at 4:43 pm
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LOL at Liberal Mainstream Media phony pic comparison from 3 HOURS BEFORE Trump’s oath VERSUS actual time of BHO oath.
“….The poll, released Thursday, finds 57 percent of voters favor doing away with all (23 percent) or parts of Obamacare (34 percent). On the other hand, 41 percent would expand it (28 percent) or leave the law as is (13 percent). …”
“What’s new is only 23 percent want the law repealed entirely. That’s down from 32 percent in July 2015 (the last time it was asked), and a high of 39 percent in June 2013.”
Some people like country-western facts, some like R&B facts, some like folk facts, some like hip-hop facts, some like classic facts, some like heavy metal facts, and this administration likes alternative facts.
January 23, 2017 at 1:36 pm
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Is Drumpf’s favorite alternative facts group Smashing Trumpkins?
Dem Lobbyist / Strategist Brad Bauman on Fox news today, with Lauren Green, ranting about the plan introduced by Republicans today, lying about the 25 million newly insured, etc.
The states should be responsible for the healthcare of their citizens except for those 5% who eat up 50% of the medical care costs. Those critically and chronically ill should be placed in a federal Assigned Risk pool as is done with Work Comp in many states.
“If their states like Obamacare, they can keep it.”
That’s a nice idea but not very well thought out. What happens when one of the states that keeps it inevitably loses money like it did nationally? Do the other states have to bail them out?
Reason,
Unfortunately it will probably be the Feds who bail them out.
That’s the point…none of them will want to keep it because it is a money losing, expensive scam.
Trust me…the idiot that we have in Hartford will want to keep it. Malloy himself is a money losing, expensive scam of a Governor.
@Agent
@Polar
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I am reminded of the #1 political lie of all time.
If you like your plan, you can keep it, PERIOD!
If you like your doctor, you can keep him, PERIOD!
The average family will save $2,500 each year, PERIOD!
These lies were repeated at least 28 times across the country by the liar in chief, one Barack H. Obama.
Adding to the lie parade, Nancy Pelosi Galore said she had to pass it so we could see what was in it. Guess what, a bigger mess could not have been made. Now, Republicans have been hired to fix the mess and want it done instantly despite all the knashing of teeth of the left, crybaby sore losers.
Agent,
Do yourself a favor and stop basing your arguments around, “Well, they lied first!” or “They did it so why cant we?”. It comes off as weak and uninspired. Do you base all of your life around the actions of others? I am going to tell you one more time – I VOTED TRUMP. What has happened so far is essentially the opposite of what I was hoping. Don’t defend someone who is digging their own grave. You will only fall in with them. You must know this whole “they can keep it if they want” looks terrible for conservatives (Polar mainly) who chanted repeal and replace like it was their last dying wish. For once in your life admit that this is a contradiction. It is okay to admit defeat sometimes. It is okay to be wrong.
Telling the truth about the worst legislation in history is not the same as Conserving the Lie. By the way, there are 9 plans under consideration. I don’t like this plan either.
“What has happened so far is essentially the opposite of what I was hoping…” The man isn’t even our President yet (but will be in 25.12 hours!!!) and he has already done more good for the working people in America! What are eff are you complaining about already!??
Conserving, do yourself a favor and don’t try to lecture me on how to post, how to believe on anything. That is what Progressives do and have been doing for several years now. I know right from wrong, do you?
READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES might be the #1 political lie of all time
Read my lips troll. Get a frontal lobotomy and it will help your attitude. Bob is rolling his eyes on how he thought he could make you see the light of day. WRONG!
I saved Bob the effort, by posting below about the un-Constitutionality of any state law MANDATING purchase of HI. The difference is the replacement of Justice Scalia by TrumPresident in a few months.
Oh no. The dreaded left-right jab by two trolls who insult instead of replying on-topic. End sarcasm.
Like I care
Why bother? These guys are idiots. It’s not worth my time or yours.
Somehow these idiots missed what the law intends, vs how the republicans are selling democrats. I personally call this bad, but not for the same reason as these idiots.
It gives power back to the states. The republicans are reminding these people that means any state can make their own legislation for healthcare, inclusive of a plan similar to Obamacare.
This is not a lie. This is Trump not being a dictator with federal law, to which most people would say bravo, in fact, most you freaking liberal idiots should be.
However, I exaggerate saying dictator, simply because people say it a lot here just so you know, and, furthermore, why I say this is bad?
Liberal states surely will do this, and it will make the system as a whole less efficient.
Did Trump lie? NO.
Rolling back Obamacare in nearly any circumstance would have given power back to the states.
You guys on the left are such fools you don’t know how to monitor people though…
And because you liberals are so stupid, let me explain why this is not a compromise to keep any aspect of the ACA:
These states would have to pass their own plan.
Did it click yet, you freaking morons?
He himself would not be keeping any part of the plan. If an idiotic blue state then voted on it, it would be completely their doing, and their plan, and they would own it’s failure.
It’s like minimum wage.
This would be like Trump saying “I will not support a federal minimum wage increase nor pass one”
“However, if states want to, that’s ok”.
OOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!! BURN!!!!! HE LET MINIMUM WAGE EXIST!!!!
No wait what?
How stupid are you freaking idiots??
I’m tired of wasting my energy and time here with a bunch of bullies and idiots like Ron and Confused and ACTU and UW, ignore the morons.
I’m done. I’m out.
“I’m done. I’m out.”
We can only hope.
Look, I triggered Confused, shut up kid. I’m not reading your crap anymore.
Here’s one last one for Ron,
Mr Coburn, who went over some of the many potential cuts totaling hundreds of billions of dollars, many of which Trump said he could save hundreds of billions by implementing. Many of them were implemented and saved a lot of money, which I’m sure Obama takes credit for.
But Republicans don’t cut. Nope.
And when Trump echoes him saying he can cut considerable waste, in excess of hundreds of billions, he’s just an idiot who over exaggerates.
Your problem is how you argue, both you and confused.
You are ignorant, completely inept, and not worth my time.
Go learn your shit.
I said 4 words bob. I do not think triggered means what you think it means.
Whiny right wingers can spew insults all day long but can’t take them.
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Good riddance Bob, I guess you will never address your BS on the Chicago data, Reagan data, Cook paper, productivity data, Oh wait, ANY data. Enjoy telling lies and then joining the other 2 idiots in patting each other on the backs.
I for one am happy when fascist trash disagrees with me, and hope more get the Richard Spencer treatment. I wonder what being in the bottom of a barrel means in your previous statement? Oh yeah, dead. Your are repulsive.
Since when do liberals dislike tax increases?
When it comes from THEIR check…
“I did not have sex with that woman, that Miss Lewinsky.”
“It was a youtube video, which caused a spontaneous protest.”
I could go on, but supper awaits me…. mmm! fresh fish!
Comrade TrumPolarBear, I see your “I did not have sex with that women,” with the Pussy grabber in Chief and raise you one Golden Shower in Moscow.
Celtica, don’t forget “I’d date her if she wasn’t my daughter”. Hard to beat incest.
Captain, is it any wonder that Ivanka is going to the White House but Melania is not? Sure, she’ll move in June — right until Trum-pee decides that junior needs to stay in NY and continue attending school there. Just wait and see.
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Celtica, don’t forget “I’d date her if she wasn’t my daughter”. Hard to beat incest.
Or, “Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?” when Ivanka was only 13. He is a degenerate pervert.
No chance now of turning back the Trump Tsunami of executive order rollbacks of bad executive orders by Obama.
But Libitterals will continue to try to divide, rather than unite, us. Sad and shameful.
I heard one of the executive orders (funny how NOW those are acceptable) is to pull away from the TPP. I applaud that.
We need to unite with people who have no regard for the laws, political traditions, or political norms in our country, and call presidents Kenyan, call for him to die and want his wife sent to Africa, and who call us libtards and even here libitterals, not be so decisive. Give me a break. The same moron making that claim is threatening to sue people who downvote him, despite being a person who clearly downvotes constantly. Sad!
CTT is laughing at more FAKE NEWS.
This suggestion of states retaining ACA is impossible and legally incorrect. It had to have been written by a millenial who knows nothing about federal law. Sure, states can enact their ‘plans’. Only a handful of liberal run states could do so. But the Federal Courts could strike down their laws as UnConstitutional once a FIFTH Conservative Justice is seated by the US Senate confirmation process.
TumPolar, if you have a few minutes today as we eagerly await the new beginning tomorrow, log into today’s (1-19-17) edition of Townhall.com and read the first story authored by Kurt Schlicter titled – And Now The Left’s War On Normal Americans Truly Begins. It is absolutely brilliant in analyzing their strategy. We have seen a lot of it on our forum by the crybaby sore losers whose agenda is in ruins so they swear, insult, down vote anything Conservative. By the way, they lost and will continue to lose. There is a new Sheriff in town.
I’ll do that this upcoming week…. I was traveling over the weekend and didn’t read this until now.
Libitterals can complain about many things but cannot block the key campaign promises by Republicans. Once those campaign pledges are fulfilled by TrumPresident and Congress, their meltdown may get worse than it is now. Stay tuned!
Terrible, stupid article. Starts with a call to violence, of course. Then complains about liberals denying the legitimacy of Bush’s 2000 election in an attempt to deflect from similar complaints about Trump. But any true conservative would acknowledge that Bush was an illegitimate president, appointed by the Supreme Court even though he would have lost had Florida been allowed to count their votes. Liberals will stop calling Republican presidents illegitimate when they stop using the supreme court and committing crimes and treason to install their illegitimate presidents.
Clinton did not promise more war, but Trump did, although both are much too hawkish for my personal tastes. Trump promised both trade wars, which lead to shooting wars, wars against anybody who crossed the US, and also promised to commit war crimes and steal the natural resources of the countries we fight.
Complaints about rules and norms after Republicans destroyed both, eg, filibusters for almost all judicial appointments, refusing to vote or even hold hearings on Obama’s Supreme Court appointment, and trying to obstruct everything from day one, are stupid and show no knowledge or fundamental dishonesty.
Also, the conservatives he writes about are not normal, they are far outside the mainstream. Most people support gay marriage now, most support birth control, almost 80% support abortion, and most support legalization for marijuana. Even his culture wars are BS, for example tell most conservatives far more people do yoga than hunt, therefore you aren’t a real American unless you are into yoga and are abnormal if you hunt.
Stupid article aimed at stupid people.
The Women’s March in Washington had 3x as many people as Trump’s pathetic inauguration, nobody likes him, he’s an illegitimate, 1 term, already close to being failed president. Supporting him is not normal.
Apparently, conserving the truth doesn’t see the sarcasm in the remark by Republicans.
The death spiral of ACA will continue in whatever state is allowed to keep it… and citizens of that / those states will march on the legislative building and/ or governor’s mansion, demanding repeal, similar to other sensible states.
Code for: We (really) don’t have a better idea
This week the President elect claimed there will be:
-coverage for all (universal coverage)
-broad coverage
-lower deductible
-lower cost
Where oh where have all the actuaries gone??
LOL
Yes, notice Pi$$ident-Elect didn’t say access for all, he actually said coverage. Then again, why would we believe anything he has to say? The guy is a clinical pathological liar, amongst other things like incest-curious, a woman assaulter, an alleged child rapist, and a fraud.
Captain,
I am not saying it yet because he isn’t even President yet but things do not look good. I hope I didn’t make a mistake.
Conserving, if you did allegedly vote for Trump, you didn’t make a mistake. We have had 8 years of mistakes by Progressives and just look at the mess they made. The web of deceit is very tangled indeed. The media has poisoned a significant amount of the population and the entitlement bandwagon is full of freeloaders. Give the man the chance to straighten out the mess.
Agent,
I am not saying I made a mistake yet but I am concerned that our elected officials do not know what to do with all the power they have now. It is like we finally have the ability to make changes but our party cannot agree on how to implement them. There has been so much talk of, “There is a plan. There is a plan. It is a great plan. It is just great” and now there is talk of about 10 plans. THAT IS NOT A GOOD SIGN. Being indecisive is only going to stall growth. More plans = more confusion. Also, the fact that the plan that is most likely going to be implemented allows for states to keep ACA if they choose is bad, really bad. Not bad for those states but bad for a President that largely based his campaign around, “WE WILL IMMEDIATELY REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMACARE”. Agent, how do we defend that?
Conserving, the Democrats have not been able to defend Obamacare for 6 1/2 long years, have they? How do you unring a bell? The whole plan, all 2,700 pages and thousands of pages of regulation and taxation was intended to complicate things so bad that it couldn’t be fixed easily and the population would capitulate and accept Single Payer government plans. Give Trump a chance and he may ring a new bell with a good plan.
Classic Agent – deciding to continue to insult others instead of directly answering an intelligent question. Keep up the trolling sir, you’re doing a great job!
Agent,
YOU KEEP DOING. YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF MAKING A STATEMENT WITHOUT IN SOME WAY REFRENCING DEMOCRATS/LIBERALS/SOCIALIST/ETC. I AM STARTING TO BELIEVE YOU ARE A CLOSET CARTER LOYALIST.
On a lighter note: I am not trying to defend the ACA. In fact, I don’t like it too much either!! Wow, shocker! /s. You have a real issue with logically accepting things about the Republican party. We aren’t perfect!
CTT is another poster who is melting down over the news of a TrumPlan about to be revealed.
The specifics of the replacement plan are being picked apart by a trio of libitterals here, abusing the intent of words used by TrumPresident to twist the intent.
The concern about lower cost is amusing because the replacement plan will include cost control efforts and changes that yield efficiencies that also lead to cost savings. ACA didn’t bother with cost control efforts, it just taxed or penalized taxpayers to cover the escalating costs. Almost all of the 23 CO-OPs failed and the remainder are in a death spiral.
Looks good on the job front. I saw another announcement of a large number of jobs coming.
Get people fully employed so they can afford their coverage will go a long way to resolving many issues.
No one can dispute that he is already having an positive impact on jobs. Maybe he can stop Cat from their massive reduction of American workers.
SARCASM! HUMOR!
Recently, poll was taken at a Conservative College about who the best President has been in the history of the country.
Lincoln & Reagan were tied for first.
40 Presidents tied for third.
Carter was fourth.
Obama came in fifth.
Conserving, screaming in all Caps shows a great deal of immaturity on your part. You also lie a lot like the other Progressives on this site. You couldn’t possibly be a Trump supporter with the comments you have been making. I would label you as a Snowflake buzzfeed Fake News fool. No problem, we will have a new President shortly and he will start draining that liberal swamp in DC and the country will be better off in the very near future.
I dispute he is having positive impact on jobs. 1 company had announced their plan 18 months ago, 1 just shifted how many of each kind of car they are going to make based on demand and one company got paid millions of dollars. Every company that is smart will claim it’s because of Trump is asked, because he is a petulant, vindictive, petty autocrat who has said he will attack individual companies and jail political opponents.
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Yes, notice Pi$$ident-Elect didn’t say access for all, he actually said coverage. Then again, why would we believe anything he has to say? The guy is a clinical pathological liar, amongst other things like incest-curious, a woman assaulter, an alleged child rapist, and a fraud.
You left out Golden Shower devotee…
I thought freedom of sex was a Dem thing. Now he is being labeled a perv. Hmmm. I guess what fits their agenda.
Politics these days.
Comrade FFA, Trump was labeled a perv long before now.
I stand corrected. Guess I should read the National Enquirer to get the real news.
Comrade FFA, Trum-pee and the National Enquirer publisher are old, connected friends — who else would run Ted Cruz’s father killed Lee Harvey Oswald if not to help Trum-pee.
Consensual freedom, FFA, not the many cases of sexual assault Trump has been accused of and bragged about. If you don’t know the difference you are a degenerate and a pervert.
It is disgusting so many conservatives are not willing to vote for a homosexual candidate but support a man with this past, and who has not only bragged and been accused of peeping at underage girls, and telling young girls he would date them in 10 years, but also said he was more sexually attracted to his young daughter than his wife. Disgusting
Little M.R. is triggered by all the people who find his new hero, Orange Julius Caesar Trump to be a pervert. Keep downvoting, it doesn’t make you right idiots. Your partners must have done a lot of work to cover for you today
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Yes, notice Pi$$ident-Elect didn’t say access for all, he actually said coverage. Then again, why would we believe anything he has to say? The guy is a clinical pathological liar, amongst other things like incest-curious, a woman assaulter, an alleged child rapist, and a fraud.
You are just mad because he had the largest inaugural crowd ever! And because the protests were so small! (sarcasm)
A few guys here should try to get hired to be in the crowd of people he pays to follow him around and cheer. Good conservative use of tax dollars for you.
They are still trying to back up Obama’s claim that everyone would save $2,500 under his plan and keep their doctor.
Wayne,
Do one man’s negative actions/behaviors justify those of another? We cannot make excuses for our elected representatives. If they make mistakes we must hold them accountable. In many, many regards Obama’s presidency was a failure. We know this. Let’s move on. If Trump’s entire presidency is a collage of “WELL IF IT WASNT FOR OBAMA THEN THINGS WOULD BE BETTER” or “WELL OBAMA DID SO AND SO FIRST” then I promise you things will not improve for our country. There will be no “making America great again”.
Instructing people HOW to comment and WHAT to say or NOT say is clearly not your position.
This is an “OPEN”forum.
He can say anything he wants. Some might be repetitive but is setting up his next statement.
I would appreciate not being told what I can or can’t say.
AZ,
I don’t think you even read my comment. lol. Great joke.
Who is trolling Confused? You never have a single idea worth discussing and only come into the blog with your leftist agenda of insults.
You missed the biased media coverage that continues to beat the drum that 20 million people are newly covered and that Republicans will take coverage away from them if ACA is repealed.
Republicans and Conservatives MUST defend their action to repeal ACA by pointing out its many faults.
Then, a list of items considered for the replacement can be discussed as SOLUTIONS to those problems.
I’ve mentioned HEALTH CARE SPECIFICCS because I know what solutions are being considered.
No Actuaries in Obamacare. The only health question was whether the applicant smoked or not. Take all comers even if they were already sick. Hope enough young and healthy would sign up to pay for the sick. No Pools for the chronically ill. Give them the same rate. Is that a recipe for success?
“The only health question was whether the applicant smoked or not.”
The words smoke, smoking, cigarette, cigar or tobacco does not appear in the application even ONCE. Keep posting lies masquerading as truth though – you’re a great troll!
I have seen the app since I am in the business and it is prominent. Gone are the health questions that were on plans prior to the disaster known as Oblamacare.
Agent; do you know of a site where the app is online?
Can you post a link to prove confused is lying?
TrumPolar, it would seem that Google is still in use although some don’t know how to use it. Google – Obamacare Health Application and several links open up. I use Blue Cross Blue Shield in my state and if one clicks on Start Application, the only things that pop up are 1. Smoking or tobacco products use and 2. Date of Birth. If one goes further, the info is mostly asking for financial info to determine if a subsidy can be granted.
Thanks, I’ll try it once I get home tomorrow.
@Confused; I have seen you lie repeatedly, to try to bluff people here into believing you have facts and data. You don’t. You lie. You are unable to defend a miserable failure President and a miserable failure law.
ACA is in a deep death spiral. Good risks are bailing out. 20 million ‘newly covered’ people is a lie. About 12 – 13 million of those people were bumped from Medicare coverage and about 7 million had policies in force which were cancelled because theiy weren’t ACA compliant.
Your side is a bunch of liars trying to defend a bill filled with errors and stupidity, trying to move the USA toward a Single Payer system, for GOVT CONTROL OF THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY. You and libitterals have been DEFEATED. So, step aside or be run over by people who want freedom of choice and a better product. Your side failed to deliver, so your leader have been ‘fired’ on 11/8/16.
And, ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
Yogi, I have repeatedly said the ACA is a “super-duper” failure and I didn’t cast even 1 vote for Obama. I’m not trying to defend either. Also, if you think I’ve posted a lie or incorrect facts, reply to the post in question for further discussion
Sorry, Confused, but you won’t get me to waste any more of my time on debunking your falsehoods and lies. I have more PRODUCTIVE, rather than DESTRUCTIVE and DIVISIVE, things to do going forward.
Yes Agent, please post the link
The question is framed as tobacco use. That includes Cigars, Chew, Pipes as well as cigs.
FFA, I know you have tried to work with this monstrocity and went to the failed Healthcare.gov site to try to write someone. Our little troll doesn’t seem to believe us on what the app has on it. He obviously is Confused.
People that dont work it are not qualified to comment on how the web site works.
everyone in the field with a Health License should know Healthcare.gov has the application on it. If they dont know that, they no know nothing about it.
Everyone that passed the Life / Health Exam knows that pre x coverage was availible.
@Melanie T:
The actuaries have gone into their back room to calibrate the parameters for the various replacement proposals, to enable Congress and TrumPresident to make the best choice among the options proposed.
Wait for the doors to open and the actuaries to emerge with the solutions that will prove Obama, Gruber, Jarrett, Emmanuel, Pelosi, and Reid to be inept, liars, opaque, obfuscating, and corrupt.
The Congressional Budget Office is full of political hacks who play partisan mind games and create more problems where none existed. FAKE RESULTS. FAKE NEWS. #HACKSWHOTAX
That was fun; it was a ‘fake’ post just to toy with the Trumplettes!
EXACTLY.
Wow. Republicans have sure painted themselves into a corner.
Obama has been in a corner since 2010. Now, he can leave whistling a happy tune and let Trump fix his mistakes.
Sally Ann,
If they can’t repair the healthcare mistakes Obama made, Republicans will create an entirely new plan which is likely the only option.
States deciding to “retain” obamacare would be a drag on the Federal govt when they are upside down due to losses.
The federal government had a bill for obamacare of $42 BILLION on top of claims paid by insurers, premiums paid by some of the insured’s, taxes paid by all of us and triple premiums paid by ME on my health plan since this joke was enacted.
Trump will use his vast negotiating skills and business experience to fix the government.
IT is about time an elected President actually HAD A JOB before taking office.
How so? Please explain what cannot be achieved, and WHY?
Most of us are insurance industry professional and likely possess superior knowledge of risk management and the insurance process in general. In the past few years we have witnessed very expensive lobbying efforts on the part of the health insurers to overturn the ACA. I suppose this is understandable, in view of the ACA requirement that 80% of premiums be disbursed as health claim payments. Surely these insurers have actuaries who could on short order promulgate a rate proposal demonstrating necessary premium costs with inclusion of prior condition risks. Have such projections been made? What are the numbers? How do they compare to ACA?
Boonedoggle, Insurance companies have not been lobbying to get rid of Obamacare. If so, why have I gotten a number of bulletins for 6 years from Blue Cross with the headlines – “We are all in on the ACA”. They did then promote their approved plans. After 6 years, they did find out it was a losing proposition, abandoned the exchanges and are now open to Republican plans.
This will give libitterals a clue as to the changing world order that was started in earnest by Brexit on 6/23/16, and continued by the US Electoral College in December, 2016, following the US Election on 11/8/16;
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-19/le-pen-moves-into-first-in-french-race-le-monde-poll-shows
Germany looks to be headed in the same direction, but that is less certain at this point.
TrumPolar, Europe is in a complete mess. Populism will replace most of their leaders including the formerly popular Angela Merkel who allowed so many undocumented people from the Middle East to enter and they have had non stop trouble since.
What you refer to is one of many reasons for the Brexit vote turning out as it did.
SARCASM! HUMOR!
TrumPolar, following is a list of the top 10 most successful programs.
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I assume you meant successful programs of OBAMA.
TrumPolar, correct. I should have spelled it out for the snowflakes.
I TELL YOU WHAT, COMRADES
The most hated Pi$$ident-Elect ever can’t even give away tickets so people can watch him swear on a book he called his favorite but yet cannot even name a line from but somehow he’s going to unite the country and fix everything. WOW, I know some people can be conned pretty easily, but c’mon! Comrade Yogi and Agent are “Gullibles Travels”.
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I TELL YOU WHAT, COMRADES
The most hated Pi$$ident-Elect ever can’t even give away tickets so people can watch him swear on a book he called his favorite but yet cannot even name a line from but somehow he’s going to unite the country and fix everything. WOW, I know some people can be conned pretty easily, but c’mon! Comrade Yogi and Agent are “Gullibles Travels”.
Good news for those who play by the rules…
BOTs will be outlawed by IJ IT staff.
Multiple up/ down votes by same person/ IP addy will be deleted.
Make Insurance Journal Comment Boards Great Again!
Wonderful news! Now you won’t have to triple post the same nonsense!
They should just get rid of it all together. Why do people even use the voting buttons out here? I guess I just don’t feel the need to like or dislike you. I’ll just respond and remark as I wish.
TumPolar, in the last article, they were complaining about the number of posts you made. They would furiously down vote every comment you made hoping to snuff out your opinion. They would then upvote their own comment ad nauseum hoping everyone would agree with them. There are three prominent trolls that do this. Ones name starts with an A,another starts with a U, the other is female starting with a C. I don’t hold much hope the monitor will do anything about them since they have been getting away with it for several years now. I once got an email from the monitor cautioning me to refrain from calling someone a “dufus”. They said they wanted the forum to be insult free. Oops, they let the bad trolls say every insult and swear word available in the English language and the comment stayed up. Conservatives have not exactly gotten a fair shake on IJ
You have been insulting non-stop for as long as I’ve been here; your problem isn’t insults, it’s people disagreeing with you and not accepting your BS.
UW; your vulgarity count is exceeded only by the federal debt created by Obama, in dollars.
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They should just get rid of it all together. Why do people even use the voting buttons out here? I guess I just don’t feel the need to like or dislike you. I’ll just respond and remark as I wish.
@Agent; I understand the past attempts to make people follow board rules failed. I will get a lawyer involved this time if things aren’t corrected.
And whom are you planning on suing if things aren’t corrected?
A true Trump support, whine tort reform so nobody can hold companies accountable for fraud, but threaten to sue if his fee fees are hurt and people do 1/100th what he does.
Kick rocks, Yogi, you are a joke.
Maybe he’s taking a page from The Jerky Boys, “Eff it, sue everybody.”
I never said I would sue.
Do you think lawyer’s only form of professional work is litigation?
That’s a very valid point Yogi. Let me revise my question accordingly — what do you hope to achieve here by hiring an attorney?
Comrades, I TELL YOU WHAT,
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/fiona-apples-protest-chant-tiny-hands-meets-trump-at-his-level
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Comrades, I TELL YOU WHAT,
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/fiona-apples-protest-chant-tiny-hands-meets-trump-at-his-level
I wonder if the monitors could tell us who are the ones that post the insults the most / the least /who hits the thumbs (up or down) the most.
Who spends the most time here.
Just wondering…. Who spreads the most hate?
FFA, the guy that posted above yours pretty much leads the pack, but the others are not far behind. They are also really into the Buzzfeed Fake News to spew their hate.
There is a silver lining. By tomorrow this time, we will have a real leader in charge. Watch him go! He is action personified and will do the right thing for the country in every area.
Yea. He never used to throw out insults. But now…. Celtica too. I know they go tit for tat with you all along, but now they just go after everyone.
On to a new day. So far, Trump is having a positive impact on Jobs.
All the sexual freedom the Dems fought so hard for and got, I guess it was for everyone but Trump.
Another OBama Care mess blew up in my face today. Cant talk to anyone with out a 2+ hour hold time. Good luck getting someone I can understand. Someone that can understand me (English). Its 12:25 here. Wondering if its been repealed yet. Thats all I care about. Soon as thats done, he can resign and I will refer to him as one of the best ever.
FFA, respectfully, I think we need him for all 8 years to drain the liberal and RINO swamp of Washington DC. The first thing on the agenda is the first 200 Executive Orders, get all the appointments approved despite Chucky Shmucky Schumer’s delaying tactics. Then, he can move on with a hundred other things. Glad he has a lot of energy because it will be exhausting work and he has a great staff and appointees to help fix this country. Saw where 90 sore losers arrested so far. I thought it might be more since they pledged major disruptions. The Secret Service, FBI, Police have done a great job so far.
A full 8 followed by a full 8 from say Pence would be ideal.
Let’s see how the first 4 years go before we ask for more.
FFA, did you consider that so many Dem bureaucrats are filling their boxes to exit their buildings that no one is answering? We have a government shut down today and that is a good thing. Monday is the dawning of a new era.
Let the good times roll.
The Democratic Party fights for consensual sexual freedom and freedom of choice, Republicans accept and in many cases fight for sexual assault, rape, and in the case of the president, possibly incest and pedophilia.
Wrong, and a lie.
20 hours to go!!!!!
Patticake, the Champagne is chilling as we speak. Exciting to see the future of the country will be in good hands. We came awfully close to losing the country for good. I think God had something to do with this and said enough is enough. Time to get back on track.
Well Patticake, the long national nightmare is over and we have a new President dedicated to draining the swamp and doing the right thing for the American People. Trump gave a very classy speech, but made it clear it is going to be America First from now on. Progressives beware, it is going to be a bumpy ride for you from now on.
It was classy aside from being one of the most extreme inaugural speeched ever, and plagiarizing at least 2 movies.
Come to think of it, if you rip off Bullworth and Batman in a speech, the speech isn’t classy.
Oh, and I forgot the oh so classy use of the anti-Semitic fascist term used exclusively as such since shortly before WWII.
Buzzfeed Fake News crybabies, sore loser. Take your pick. All pertain to you.
You don’t know what fake news is, STFU. How does it feel supporting a treasonous, tic tac poppin’, sexually abusing traitor? Don’t talk about family values, morals, or Christianity anymore, because you don’t have the first ones, and don’t follow the last. Weird that nobody went to watch the carnival today.
Right wing censorship. Loser Agent downvoting away on the weekend. You don’t know what fake news is, STFU. How does it feel supporting a treasonous, tic tac poppin’, sexually abusing traitor? Don’t talk about family values, morals, or Christianity anymore, because you don’t have the first ones, and don’t follow the last. Weird that nobody went to watch the carnival today.
I can honestly say, I didn’t catch any of the roadside attraction on Friday. I was playing golf, in Iowa, for the 12th straight month. I heard he was lucky to have 500,000-750,000 people there. And, I know they were handing out tickets. Someone said the first dance was a laugh riot. Evidently, Melania’s face looked like she was on her first trip to the gyno. And that came from a Republican. I also read he had to delete his first tweet as Prez because he said he was “honered”. Yes, he loves the poorly educated, and himself the most of all. This is going to be a fun four years. Someone should keep a running score on who provides more Presidential comedy material, this orange pudge or Dubya. Then again, Dubya had 8 years so we might need some sort of a conversion table. Time will tell.
TrumPresident is MAGA, and libitterals are still trying to invalidate him. They’ll only become more frustrated, day by day, for 4 year, or perhaps 8 years.
True Planet. Also they freaked out and said pictures from dozens of news outlets and hundreds to thousands of people were fake. They/he lied and said there were 1.5 million people there, and started lying, which they called “alternative facts”.
It is day 3, and you can officially say anybody who supports him is an idiot. Even if you like his fascist, racist policies you cannot deny he is an insane narcissist.
LOL at Liberal Mainstream Media phony pic comparison from 3 HOURS BEFORE Trump’s oath VERSUS actual time of BHO oath.
Caught in more fake news, AGAIN!
Make American Yellow Journalists Ashamed Again.
An interesting turn of events:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/19/fox-news-poll-views-on-obamacare-shift.html
excerpt:
“….The poll, released Thursday, finds 57 percent of voters favor doing away with all (23 percent) or parts of Obamacare (34 percent). On the other hand, 41 percent would expand it (28 percent) or leave the law as is (13 percent). …”
How did this ^ change?
“What’s new is only 23 percent want the law repealed entirely. That’s down from 32 percent in July 2015 (the last time it was asked), and a high of 39 percent in June 2013.”
More importantly, let’s see how well the Trump administration listens to the will of the people.
It looks like this will be the Alternative Facts administration.
There are now only 2 types of news:
1. Good news, if positive for President Trump; or
2. Fake news.
The next 4+ years will be interesting.
Some people like country-western facts, some like R&B facts, some like folk facts, some like hip-hop facts, some like classic facts, some like heavy metal facts, and this administration likes alternative facts.
Is Drumpf’s favorite alternative facts group Smashing Trumpkins?
Moot and a stupid argument by Captain Orbit.
Dem Lobbyist / Strategist Brad Bauman on Fox news today, with Lauren Green, ranting about the plan introduced by Republicans today, lying about the 25 million newly insured, etc.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5293727459001/?#sp=show-clips
Notice how Bauman talks over the points Brian Morgenstern tries to make, as a means of censorship.
Bauman also lies about the absence of a Republican plna when Price had a plan over 18 months ago, and another was out there in August 2015.
Recently introduced plan is by Senators Collins and Cassidy.
Morgenstern accuses Bauman of lying about there being ‘no plan’.
Rand Paul also introduced a plan, as did Ben Carson and Trump, while campaigning for the RNC nomination.
The states should be responsible for the healthcare of their citizens except for those 5% who eat up 50% of the medical care costs. Those critically and chronically ill should be placed in a federal Assigned Risk pool as is done with Work Comp in many states.