More White Collar Employees Starting to Face Pay Cuts, Layoffs

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  • April 20, 2020 at 1:08 pm
    Craig Cornell says:
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    The problem is this: what science tells us about Covid 19 today is far different than what we were told a month ago. However, most people haven’t caught up yet.

    Information from Stanford indicates that in Santa Clara County, infected people were 50 to 85 times greater than the recorded number. You read that correctly, MANY more people were infected than thought.

    Information from Italy and other sources is starting to show similar findings. Meaning the death rate is FAR lower than we thought just 2 weeks ago.

    For people under 60 with no underlying health conditions, some medical researchers believe the risk of death is 1 in 1,000. Similar to the flu. These people can go back to work without fear, so long as people at risk take precautions and are protected by continued social distancing.

    The United Nations reported last week that millions of children will die because of this recession, and for the first time in a couple of decades, childhood poverty will rise dramatically.

    25% of small businesses will be out of cash by the end of April, devastating many families. Suicides are up, domestic violence is WAY up. Alcohol abuse, depression, drug abuse, child neglect are all going up. There is a huge cost in human suffering and lives lost because of the lock downs.

    But many people aren’t even aware of the recent science. (For proof, watch as the usual fools attack.)

    • April 20, 2020 at 2:48 pm
      Vox says:
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      I’d have to agree that the number infected is multiples of those who tested positive. What the multiplier is, I just don’t know. There is a huge cost in suffering because of the lock downs, but doctors don’t think about this kind of thing. All they thinking about is saving lives, through medicine, at any cost. That’s what they’re trained to do. They’ll put you on chemo and radiation to add six miserable, inhumane months to your life, at an enormous economic cost. They will. When doctors run your life, now who calls that living? Living in fear ain’t living.

      • April 20, 2020 at 5:38 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        Hey Vox,
        Did you know you can tell your personal doctor no? You don’t have to go on chemo. My dad chose hospice instead. No radiation, no chemo, no inhumane months to his life, no enormous economic cost. Doctors don’t actually run your life, you do. My dad didn’t live in fear and neither do I. So, my question to you is, why are you trying to spread fear with this misinformation?

        • April 20, 2020 at 5:49 pm
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          A Master at Missing the Point!

          His point was that doctors only focus on medical treatment and not the bigger picture. OF COURSE Vox knows you can deny treatment.

          What a nasty off-point response. He was not trying to spread fear. GOLF!

    • April 20, 2020 at 2:50 pm
      Common Sense says:
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      Craig, the usual cast of trolls will argue with you and show their total lack of understanding. If we don’t get business up and running soon, we will be Venezuela within a year.

      • April 20, 2020 at 3:40 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        Agent,
        I don’t read Craig anymore, so I am not going to take up an argument with him. But, if we send people back out there too quickly, we will actually set ourselves further back. Measure twice, cut once. Dr. Fauci has been spot-in from the beginning. We should be listening to his advice, after all, it’s working. We are flattening the curve and saving lives. You and I rarely agree, but I will say this. I’d hate for you to get this virus. You are in the susceptible demographic. This thing is taking down marathon runners for crying out loud. It’s heavy and I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone. If we don’t do things right the first time, we’ll still be having similar discussions in 2021. We owe it to our country to get it right. Those protesters can wait to get haircuts, grass seed, and Baskin Robbins. I’d prefer to give those up in order to keep my family, friends, and other loved ones safe. Be well, Agent.

        • April 20, 2020 at 4:59 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          Is that what CNN told you to think today, Planet?

          “Marathon runners”. Very, very few young people die from this virus, now that we know how many more have been infected than we thought. 1 in 1,000. is the likely risk of death if a health, under aged 60 person gets it.

          “If we don’t do things right the first time . . .” You mean the fact that Democrats never mentioned it in the Presidential debates until March? You mean like that?

          Over in Sweden, their non-lock down is HUGELY popular and their death rate is about what our is. And it looks to be bending the curve right now.

          And you ignore the deaths and suffering I mentioned. Of course you do. That’s who you are. GOLF!

        • April 21, 2020 at 9:11 am
          rob says:
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          A buddy of mine and his whole family just recovered from Covid19. first his wife got it, then his teenage daughter, and then he finally got it. His wife and daughter recovered in about a week and a half, but he was laid up for 3 weeks. At one point, he was in the ICU with double pneumonia. He told me that one point he was sure this was the end for him. The only “underlying health condition” he has is he’s 55, other than that, he’s in decent physical shape and is one of those guys that never gets sick.

          My sister is a respiratory therapist at a small hospital in Western PA and is stressed out of her mind right now. She’s had to put several people on ventillators and has seen many of them pass away.

          This thing is no joke. Sure, the odds are in your favor that if you get it, you’ll likely recover, but the problem is that it’s taking out healthy people who thought they could handle it. All those “Patriots” holding mass protests to “liberate Minnesota” (or other states) are just playing Russian roulette. Blaming ANYONE, be it China OR Trump, for our situation does absolutely NOTHING. Also, It ain’t caused by 5G, it’s not a bio-weapon, and colloidal silver ain’t gonna cure this beast.

          Stay safe, folks!

          • April 21, 2020 at 12:35 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            RUSSIAN ROULETTE has 1 bullet in 6 chambers.

            Young healthy people who contract Covid 19 have 1 in 1,000. chance of dying, based on new studies from USC and Stanford. 1 in 1,000. is what the flu looks like.

            Time to get back to work with social distancing in place and protection for people over 60 and people with pre-existing illnesses.

  • April 20, 2020 at 3:32 pm
    Captain Planet says:
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    I hate to see the escalating number of unemployment in our great country. If we had a president would would have taken action to start the social distancing and shelter in place back at the end of January at the latest, we’d be in a much better position today. But, instead, he told us he had it under control, he trusted China, we would go from 15 cases to 0, it would miraculously disappear in April, he knew more than the doctors, it was just a democratic hoax to dethrone him, his press conferences get better ratings than The Bachelor finale, he took the month of February to hold rallies and play golf, and basically is now understanding he cannot grab Trumponavirus by the _u$$y. Now, he has mass grave sites with his name on them. Over 42,000 dead now and over 22 million applying for unemployment benefits. Way to go, Tramp!

    #neverforget

    • April 20, 2020 at 4:36 pm
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      With the information we have now I think the president acted more wisely than the people whipping up hysteria. I think time will confirm that reactions were over the top as most are today. What a pathetic world we live in when everyone wants to be protected and lead around by the snout by the government.

    • April 20, 2020 at 5:01 pm
      Craig Cornell says:
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      What a clown. Pelosi told everyone to get out and enjoy Chinatown on Feb. 24th!!!!! Now THAT’s taking action!

      80% of Americans blame China. But not Planet. Lost in TDS.

      • April 21, 2020 at 10:35 am
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        LIE.
        80% of americans don’t blame China. That’s a false statement in a sea of false statements made by you on this subject. You turn to insults and lies because the truth is directly opposed to your nonsense.

      • April 21, 2020 at 11:07 am
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        “80% of Americans blame China” – I’d love to read this survey. Can you please link to it, Craig?

  • April 20, 2020 at 9:36 pm
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    Ya’ll have some points here, no one is sure exactly what the right path is. Some of the governors, like the one in our great state of MI are a little too confident in their path, and refuse to budge on anything. For instance, we cannot go on a motorized boat, because you might go to a gas station and buy fuel for the boat. (might touch a contaminated handle) You can take a canoe or kayak on the water until the cows come home. Don’t you have to buy fuel for the vehicle to haul a canoe or kayak? That type of thing should be rescinded, or the state can pay for protected gas station attendants to pump fuel. Maybe have gloves at every pump or something.

    Science and medicine cannot alone reopen the economy; it will take common sense and street smarts as well.

    • April 21, 2020 at 9:31 am
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      knowall,
      I hear you to some degree. Regarding the common sense and street smarts, have you seen these protesters? Not exactly the definition of common sense or street smarts there. Who in the heck cares about a haircut when it’s in a coffin? Now, are there activities that can still be enjoyed if people practice the social distancing and the other measures you suggest at the gas pumps? Absolutely, I think they can. Though, should people abuse the guidelines (I’m thinking party cove, for example), then the privilege is taken away. Here in Iowa, they are still allowing us to golf. There is no socializing in the clubhouse or on the patio, food and beverage are to-go only, the flag sticks have to stay in the hole (and there is a swim noodle piece in there to keep the ball from falling to the bottom of the cup) there are no ball washers, no rakes in the bunker, the carts and pull carts are fog sanitized and wiped down after every use, golfers have to take their own carts, and the pro shop line has markers so customers remain at least 6 feet away. So, yes, I believe there are some activities that can remain open for recreation if the guidelines are followed.

      If you’re going to ask me who do I trust, Dr. Fauci or the Covidiots out protesting and calling this a lie, I’m taking health science all day long. Anyone who doesn’t think this is a big deal, please, go volunteer at your local ICU. And, if you still don’t think this is a big deal, shake as many hands with those infected as you can.

      • April 21, 2020 at 10:04 am
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        Street smarts I was referring to our leaders who make decisions. Nothing to do with peaceful protests, which is part of the Constitution. (I never mentioned protesting when I mentioned street smarts.)

        I have to wonder if Sweden’s ‘herd immunity’ idea might have some validity. This virus is not going away anytime soon, I surmise.

        • April 21, 2020 at 10:34 am
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          I hear you on protesting. I have no issues with peaceful protesting. Just make sure you feel the same when it happens on an NFL field, too. Consistency matters. Also, those protesters were putting others in harm’s way by not adhering to the guidelines. There were others just out for a walk while the Covidiots ran around with misspellings of the Constitution and words with less syllables. I have much respect for the health workers who made a stand as well. They are seeing how this virus is actually impacting American lives and why we are seeing more and more white collar jobs being lost. We must slow it down even further before we can all go back out. This just shows me how little patience Americans have. Let alone, how selfish we can be. “I need a haircut. I want ice cream. I want to go to a restaurant. I need my tiki bar.” What a bunch of toddlers we can be. We are better than this.

          • April 21, 2020 at 12:31 pm
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            Protesting to support your family is much different than millionaires protesting some phantom racism they can’t even describe truthfully.

            And are you “selfish” for wanting to support your family by working? Thought so.

  • April 21, 2020 at 11:30 am
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    While the usual dishonest members of the right want to distract and discuss other things, let’s talk about the topic at hand: white collar workers losing their jobs.

    gq.com/story/ruths-chris-small-business-steakhouse
    Ruth Chris Steakhouse made $468 million last year but got $20m of the small business relief
    The president is doing everything in his power to use the COVID crisis to make him and his buddies richer. Small businesses and middle class and poor americans are going to suffer because Trump wants to give his millionaire buddies more money. The republicans are going to use smoke and mirrors and anything they can to try and draw attention away from their own corruption.

    washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/americans-at-world-health-organization-transmitted-real-time-information-about-coronavirus-to-trump-administration/2020/04/19/951c77fa-818c-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html
    Those same right-wing liars trying to tell you we know so much more now? We knew plenty months ago, the president is just incompetent and his supporters will lie/obfuscate any way they can to try and change the story. We know the president screwed things up, we can’t let him continue to do so.

    • April 21, 2020 at 12:30 pm
      Craig Cornell says:
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      Man, you are predictably simple.

      The portion of the loan that is forgivable is the part companies use to retain employees. Otherwise, they have to give all of the money back.

      Do you think Ruth Chris is going to make $468 million this year? Do you think they will use the loan to retain some employees and if so, is that a good thing? After all, they are ALL “middle class Americans” who work there.

      You are a partisan clown, nothing more. If you could post one comment without calling people liars multiple times and actually consider two sides of an issue, you might be taken seriously by someone, anyone, somewhere.

      • April 21, 2020 at 12:45 pm
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        LOL I think Ruth Chris with their thousands of employees is not a “small business”. I think they and many others took advantage of a loan meant to help middle class americans, and your president wanted nothing more.

        I think you’re trying to distract us from the very clear corruption occurring in our government. I think the walls have cracked and you really wish you could distract, but you can’t, so now you’re turning to insults immediately after every post you don’t like because you don’t have anything else.

        You call me a partisan clown, what do you think you are? If you can make one week without posting a lie on this forum and getting caught, I’m happy to stop calling you a liar. However I’m not going to hold my breath.

      • April 21, 2020 at 12:47 pm
        Jon says:
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        nrn.com/finance/ruths-chris-steak-house-closes-23-restaurants-wake-coronavirus-pandemic

        Sure looks like a lot of middle class americans lost their jobs while Ruth Chris will profit during this crisis, shill.

  • April 21, 2020 at 12:20 pm
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    I thought the small bus relief was for employees under 500? It’s a bit confusing.

    It was just reported on Detroit news there was some misreporting on the protesters blocking ambulances- an interesting read no matter what side you hail from.

    • April 21, 2020 at 12:47 pm
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      Ruth Chris abused a loophole because no single location of theirs has 500 employees. Taking money out of the hands of true small businesses that needed that relief.

      Republicans like Craig can try to pretend that Ruth Chris getting the relief loans helped middle class americans. Here’s what really happened:
      nrn.com/finance/ruths-chris-steak-house-closes-23-restaurants-wake-coronavirus-pandemic



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